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Jarhead
United States53 Posts
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kwkwookw
218 Posts
On January 08 2011 16:29 don_kyuhote wrote: Raise money? More like Blizzard throwing epic amounts money in efforts to buy popularity for SC2. exactly. blizzard thinks just straight up throwing money will make the game more popular. HAHA can't believe that is all a "world-class" company can come up with. | ||
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
One thing I fail to understand is why people keep saying bigger maps will result in better games? With longer distances all I see is just a long wait until Ball vs Ball has been built up, and then a-moving into each other and ending the fight in 5 seconds. | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
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HaruHaru
United States988 Posts
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Anomarad
Canada565 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:56 FarbrorAbavna wrote: So I'm watching bw right now and the studio isnt jam packed. Is bw dying? I better make a thread about this. SC2 gonna own bw in 1 week from now? Seems like it. Blizz and Kespa better get their act together! They were all at the KT vs SKT game... | ||
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Foxt
Belize181 Posts
It is merely irrelevant how many people are there physically appreared in studio if there is shit load of people watchin tournament from internet stream. | ||
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CreepCrepe
37 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:25 Jarhead wrote: Oh, and how does difficult macro make BW boring rather than more exciting? Imagine watching a world class runner lose to a fat guy on a bike. Which racer is more impressive? Now imagine watching Flash macro out of 7+ barracks vs an SC2 plat player out of 7 rax. Sure, they both get the same job done, but somehow Flash is more interesting to watch. Edit: Sorry for the rant. SC2 has a lot of potential and I hope it lasts long enough to grow like BW has, but it is irritating when people claim that the world's most resilient esport is "boring." Fat dude on a bike. Imagine the shit that good players are going to be able to put off from 4 bases, when they don't have to devote 400 APM to shitty macro mechanics. | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
On January 08 2011 18:08 Foxt wrote: Where exactly does this misconception about decrease of GSL popularity comes from? It is merely irrelevant how many people are there physically appreared in studio if there is shit load of people watchin tournament from internet stream. It comes from posts like the one that was quoted at the beginning of this thread and from rabid bw fanboys too blind and scared to see that both games can exist side by side. | ||
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ChApFoU
France2984 Posts
Get your acts together folks ! The game is barely 6 months old and that was a non-televised game -_- edit : On a side note, I think the BW bias is really getting ridiculous down here. I've been a BW fan since 2002 and actively following progaming since 2004 and there was and still is a lot of cheese and utterly crappy games in BW as well as epic ones. I mean look at the last OSL final : what would you have thought of these games if they weren't played by the two biggest names of BW progaming ? Also do you want me to remember how beautifully balanced the game and the maps were in the early age of BW ? | ||
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kwkwookw
218 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:56 FarbrorAbavna wrote: So I'm watching bw right now and the studio isnt jam packed. Is bw dying? I better make a thread about this. SC2 gonna own bw in 1 week from now? Seems like it. Blizz and Kespa better get their act together! wtf what are you talking about? it was hella full. unless you were watching the hite vs entus match: everyone was at the skt vs kt match. and rightfully so. lol it was an awesome series. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3701 Posts
On January 08 2011 18:15 CreepCrepe wrote: Fat dude on a bike. Imagine the shit that good players are going to be able to put off from 4 bases, when they don't have to devote 400 APM to shitty macro mechanics. Yes, but said "good" players only have that ability to macro like crazy in SC2 because they learned the hard way, in BW, which is a fuckton harder. On January 08 2011 17:54 HowardRoark wrote: This is the first season I did not buy GSL ticket, since the games have been declining in quality spectator wise since GSL 1. One thing I fail to understand is why people keep saying bigger maps will result in better games? With longer distances all I see is just a long wait until Ball vs Ball has been built up, and then a-moving into each other and ending the fight in 5 seconds. I agree completely, the same thing happened in BW, except it was macro, economic maps instead of big maps. Same effect --> boring, macrofest long-ass games  I barley ever watch PvZ because of it... | ||
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CreepCrepe
37 Posts
On January 08 2011 18:08 Foxt wrote: Where exactly does this misconception about decrease of GSL popularity comes from? It is merely irrelevant how many people are there physically appreared in studio if there is shit load of people watchin tournament from internet stream. Not to mention that a majority of the crowd watching BW are there out of player devotion. Three years of MC or FruitDealer continually being ballers and I'd fly over to Korea to watch. So far there has just been flash in the pans, what's the point in following flimsy players? | ||
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Jarhead
United States53 Posts
On January 08 2011 18:15 CreepCrepe wrote: Fat dude on a bike. Imagine the shit that good players are going to be able to put off from 4 bases, when they don't have to devote 400 APM to shitty macro mechanics. We have to imagine, because we haven't seen it happen, even after 3 GSL seasons. Name one game in which any SC2 player pulls off some spectacular feat that was impossible in BW. I agree, I want SC2 to go places, and it definitely has potential. But we haven't seen any of this exciting 'shit' that you're talking about, whereas BW still produces it daily. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:54 HowardRoark wrote: This is the first season I did not buy GSL ticket, since the games have been declining in quality spectator wise since GSL 1. you are missing some great games I disagree anyway, but I think there's been some great stuff in code S | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On January 08 2011 18:28 Jarhead wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2011 18:15 CreepCrepe wrote: We have to imagine, because we haven't seen it happen, even after 3 GSL seasons. Name one game in which any SC2 player pulls off some spectacular feat that was impossible in BW. I agree, I want SC2 to go places, and it definitely has potential. But we haven't seen any of this exciting 'shit' that you're talking about, whereas BW still produces it daily. the game is less than a year old. and even if you haven't seen anything more exciting, there have been amazing games. even if it isn't better I don't get how it can be called worse, or 'boring' or 'not as good' a game considering the time span we are talking about. you can say the players aren't as good yet, and I hope you can also understand and accept why that is. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
Also, if SC2 doesn't go well in Korea, I guarantee you, that when a new game comes out in whatever time, everyone will switch, and there will be no SC2 scene, it will be an SC3 scene or whatever game's next. This is what has always happened in the western gaming scene. Here's my proposal, you make a BW-style league where there are teams and and individual leagues. One of the reasons I quickly stopped watching SC2 was because there was no drama, and no teamwork involved in SC2. Also, GSL needs to be on tv, not many Koreans are willing to pay to watch the GSL. You get in on tv, more people will know more about SC2, get interested, and come to watch the games. If GSL keeps going on like this, Kespa wins. And I'm happy for kespa, I would much rather watch BW than SC2. However, I think it would be very good if the two games could coexist, which is something I've always wanted. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3701 Posts
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Jarhead
United States53 Posts
On January 08 2011 18:37 Vari wrote: the game is less than a year old. and even if you haven't seen anything more exciting, there have been amazing games. even if it isn't better I don't get how it can be called worse, or 'boring' or 'not as good' a game considering the time span we are talking about. you can say the players aren't as good yet, and I hope you can also understand and accept why that is. Where did I ever say SC2 was 'boring' or 'not as good'? This is all the result of CreepCrepe calling BW boring because of the macro mechanics. My point is that we haven't seen any insane play in SC2 that wasn't possible in BW, so calling BW 'boring' to watch simply because it's harder is ignorant. Games like Clide v Leenock give me butterflies, partially because they feel like good BW games. However this theory that SC2 is more exciting, because players can devote huge amounts of APM to things other than macro, has not been demonstrated at all. (I hope some day it becomes true). | ||
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iloveav
Poland1484 Posts
I played mostly 3v3s with random allies and in 1 week i went up to 2k points fairly easy. The only game i played very focused i killed all 3 enemies alone, and the advantyge i gained to do it was made by myself, not my allies. In ICC, getting high ranked was something that inspired respect and fear. In sc2... well at least for me, it dosent at all. | ||
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