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iWoNsHoTT
33 Posts
1: They are really bad, and cant win with out it 2: They are on a losing streak and think it will break it 3: They are just looking to make people really mad I have lost games to 7 Pools and the players have nothing to say besides "you lost" when you constantly say that they suck and cant play the game. What do you think is the real reason people cheese? And do you think cheesing shows any skill at all? | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
Also, if you can't hold off a 7 pool after encountering it multiple times, what are the odds that you're going to hold off your opponent harassing you on multiple fronts while expanding and macroing? You've gotta be able to beat simple builds before you can pretend to be better than your opponents. | ||
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DiZasteR
Netherlands84 Posts
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griMetone
Denmark57 Posts
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-Erik-
115 Posts
And the fun had nothing to do with the other person being angry  | ||
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Getz
United States559 Posts
Almost every player incorporates some sort of cheese into their list of used builds. | ||
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Striker.superfreunde
Germany1120 Posts
doom loop >:I | ||
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Mesha
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
 Who knows why? For shit and giggles and easy wins. | ||
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UncleTomNZ
New Zealand43 Posts
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PimpMobeel
120 Posts
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iWoNsHoTT
33 Posts
On December 20 2010 08:46 PimpMobeel wrote: If you lose to 7 pool it is you who sucks. Im willing to bet you have lost to a 7 pool in your time | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
At pro level, cheesing from one time to another is important so that your opponent doesn't always go for the super economical build. At amateur level ( mine, and I assume that it is yours too), it is an easy way to gets wins. There is nothing wrong with it ([Rant] execpt the absurd power of the terran cheeses[\Rant]), so learn to deal with it, and do not say that your opponent sucks when he just have beaten you. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
A quick win is still a win, and if a player prefer that well then should you as opponent just shut the fuck up and play your game and not care so much about hes. There is no rule that you have to play macro-games. So learn to deal with cheese and all-ins and make him cry. Peace! | ||
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iWoNsHoTT
33 Posts
On December 20 2010 08:47 Tyrran wrote: Because cheesing gets you wins. That's all. At pro level, cheesing from one time to another is important so that your opponent doesn't always go for the super economical build. At amateur level ( mine, and I assume that it is yours too), it is an easy way to gets wins. There is nothing wrong with it ([Rant] execpt the absurd power of the terran cheeses[\Rant]), so learn to deal with it, and do not say that your opponent sucks when he just have beaten you. yah dude a 7 pools so hard to execute. Click the hatchery, make a drone, get 200 minerals, B,S, Click the hatchery again, Select larva ZZZ. Im pretty sure a fucking kid with downs can do that. | ||
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esp
Australia109 Posts
Personally I rarely cheese, but sometimes it's just fun to do. Especially if I'm drunk, I'll just find it hilarious. I think that every good player should have a couple cheese builds up their sleeve for situations like tournaments when you're down one or two games and you need to catch up. And sometimes you just don't feel like playing a long game. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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iWoNsHoTT
33 Posts
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175499 Discussion on cheese that was closed Result Closed With this response from Chill December 10 2010 03:01 Chill wrote: Okay, so you saw a discussion about Rain doing all-ins to win. Then you decided "Wait, wait guys. Even though there's 44 pages of discussion about this, I will open my own thread summarizing how you should all act. Why would you possibly do this? Why would you think this is a good idea? Then we got http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169838 Result closed by Plexa And we got http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177239 Result Closed by JWD All the definitions of Cheese and discussions of cheese you want http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=97933 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157555 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124691 So doubt this last very long | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
its hella intense and nerve-wracking people play to have fun and easy wins are awesome when you get them. its just a part of the game, i never really cheese myself but every now and then when i do its pretty fun | ||
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iWoNsHoTT
33 Posts
@ bkrow Your from fucking Australia. How much confidence can you possibly have to begin with? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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esp
Australia109 Posts
On December 20 2010 08:54 iWoNsHoTT wrote: Cheesers suck. If they cant play a real game with a real build then they are bad. Thats basically what it boils down too. They realize they suck ass and when you dont do a "cheesy" strat they have no real way of winning. Your post makes you sound bitter like you've had a lot of bad experiences being cheesed. Cheesing doesn't make you a bad player unless that's all you do. Even the tip top level players cheese every now and then. Didn't you see FruitDealer 6 pool in GSL season 1? You think he's a bad player? | ||
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Nashun
United States56 Posts
They may have just realized it and decided to cheese and not waste their time. | ||
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iWoNsHoTT
33 Posts
On December 20 2010 09:03 esp wrote: Your post makes you sound bitter like you've had a lot of bad experiences being cheesed. Cheesing doesn't make you a bad player unless that's all you do. Even the tip top level players cheese every now and then. Didn't you see FruitDealer 6 pool in GSL season 1? You think he's a bad player? I dont think cheese is bad, but what is bad is relying on it to get you every win. A good player can do more then 1 strat. a Bad player can only cheese. and when he only cheeses and thinks hes good because he wins games is what really is the main source. Cheese fills all these noobs egos. | ||
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HtC
Korea (South)26 Posts
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Flashback-
65 Posts
On December 20 2010 09:05 iWoNsHoTT wrote: I dont think cheese is bad, but what is bad is relying on it to get you every win. A good player can do more then 1 strat. a Bad player can only cheese. and when he only cheeses and thinks hes good because he wins games is what really is the main source. Cheese fills all these noobs egos. A good player can also hold off a 7 pool. You shouldn't be blaming them for doing it but rather blame yourself for losing against it | ||
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CASLsoju
Canada253 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On December 20 2010 09:01 iWoNsHoTT wrote: @ bkrow Your from fucking Australia. How much confidence can you possibly have to begin with? Lol okay - confirmed everything i had assumed from your OP. Cheese is part of the game just learn to scout it and counter it and we can avoid these pleasant exchanges next time | ||
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NadaSound
United States227 Posts
On December 20 2010 08:55 oZii wrote: Ok we got http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175499 Discussion on cheese that was closed Result Closed With this response from Chill Then we got http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169838 Result closed by Plexa And we got http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177239 Result Closed by JWD All the definitions of Cheese and discussions of cheese you want http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=97933 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157555 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124691 So doubt this last very long For real! No disscusion here just QQing. @ OP: I can understand that it my be frustating to loose to cheese but you just have to except it as part of the game. As for why people do it, is because it is fun. It is not an instant win at all if they fail they fail epicly. So, it does take some skill to pull of, but in my opinion not as much as to defend it successfully. Durring my last gaming session I was on a 6 game win streak and then lost to a cannon rush and that was ok becuse it made me feel that my game is good knowing that the only thing that could take me down cheese. | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
ladder players is largely reason one with a splash of reason 2. and if its pvp its the only way to play. | ||
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munchmunch
Canada789 Posts
1. First, learn to rush / cheese. (Let's not bother with the difference for the moment). 2. Then learn to defend rushes and cheese. 3. Then practice macro. I think this is a better mindset that emphasizes that early game play is an important part of the game. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On December 20 2010 08:55 oZii wrote: Ok we got http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175499 Discussion on cheese that was closed Result Closed With this response from Chill Then we got http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169838 Result closed by Plexa And we got http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177239 Result Closed by JWD All the definitions of Cheese and discussions of cheese you want http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=97933 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157555 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124691 So doubt this last very long This maybe one of the best search-ninja-ings/OP-embarrassments I've seen. Even categorized the threads by who closed them. Bravo.  And don't you just love when people continue to reply to the thread as though nothing has happened, proving that they didn't read even the first page of replies? | ||
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Wotan86
Latvia5 Posts
Basically if you don't want to get cheesed just do an early scout and adapt, scouting kills most cheese easily if you know how to counter it. | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
OP how old are you? How many youtube comments have you written? | ||
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slam
United States923 Posts
On December 20 2010 08:46 PimpMobeel wrote: If you lose to 7 pool it is you who sucks. On December 20 2010 08:51 iWoNsHoTT wrote: yah dude a 7 pools so hard to execute. Click the hatchery, make a drone, get 200 minerals, B,S, Click the hatchery again, Select larva ZZZ. Im pretty sure a fucking kid with downs can do that. On December 20 2010 08:54 iWoNsHoTT wrote: Cheesers suck. If they cant play a real game with a real build then they are bad. Thats basically what it boils down too. They realize they suck ass and when you dont do a "cheesy" strat they have no real way of winning. On December 20 2010 08:55 bkrow wrote: Playing a cheese strategy is part of the game - if you can't defend a cheese it is a part of your game that you need to improve; not the fault of cheeser.. This has the makings of a super terrible QQ thread. Get over it - you got cheesed; call the wambulance. You don't need to post a fucking topic on an online forum to rebuild your confidence. On December 20 2010 09:01 iWoNsHoTT wrote: @ bkrow Your from fucking Australia. How much confidence can you possibly have to begin with? WTB Mod and red ink. | ||
micronesia
United States24795 Posts
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PimpMobeel
120 Posts
On December 20 2010 08:47 iWoNsHoTT wrote: Im willing to bet you have lost to a 7 pool in your time Actually, I have never lost to it. A standard terran wall stops it. | ||
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FrayzZeUsher
United States225 Posts
cheaters never win cheesers never win | ||
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