This is a discussion for reason on why people tend to use cheesy strats in order to get wins. My guess is that:

1: They are really bad, and cant win with out it
2: They are on a losing streak and think it will break it
3: They are just looking to make people really mad

I have lost games to 7 Pools and the players have nothing to say besides "you lost" when you constantly say that they suck and cant play the game.

What do you think is the real reason people cheese? And do you think cheesing shows any skill at all?

iSTime

1579 Posts

December 19 2010 23:42 GMT

Maybe you should read your signature.

Also, if you can't hold off a 7 pool after encountering it multiple times, what are the odds that you're going to hold off your opponent harassing you on multiple fronts while expanding and macroing? You've gotta be able to beat simple builds before you can pretend to be better than your opponents.

DiZasteR

Netherlands84 Posts

December 19 2010 23:42 GMT

I think it is because they like the more easy wins. Sometimes it can even be a logical decision to cheese. Like as a Z if I get my expansion blocked and my P opponent goes forge FE then I will just baneling bust him and win, instead of playing catchup for 15 minutes and lose after.

griMetone

Denmark57 Posts

December 19 2010 23:43 GMT

Neither, just adds variation to my game. Even at tournament play level its important to cheese once in a while so that your oppenent doesn't automatically go extremely unsafe builds and wreak the profits.

-Erik-

115 Posts

December 19 2010 23:43 GMT

I wrote a little blog about dedicating a day to trying cannon rushes. Having never cheesed a single game before in 400 and, thinking it was a shitty way to win only used by shitty people i came to a few conclusions. Mostly, it is very very fun to do, very tense, almost a completely unique experience in sc2 for me and i do not consider myself a douche, as i used to consider everyone who cheesed. I wont be using it all the time from now on but as a trick in my arsenal of builds i think its pretty valuable, also a great way to just say "fuck it, lets have some fun".

And the fun had nothing to do with the other person being angry

Getz

United States559 Posts

December 19 2010 23:44 GMT

Cheese is just part of the game.
Almost every player incorporates some sort of cheese into their list of used builds.

Striker.superfreunde

Germany1118 Posts

December 19 2010 23:45 GMT

They will cheese because they were cheesed before :p

doom loop >:I

Mesha

Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts

December 19 2010 23:45 GMT

Let he who is never done cheese, cast the first stone.

Who knows why? For shit and giggles and easy wins.

UncleTomNZ

New Zealand43 Posts

December 19 2010 23:45 GMT

You should ask every single Terran on Ladder why they 2 rax, and/or have a fetish for pulling 99% of scvs.

PimpMobeel

120 Posts

December 19 2010 23:46 GMT

#10

If you lose to 7 pool it is you who sucks.

iWoNsHoTT

33 Posts

December 19 2010 23:47 GMT

#11

On December 20 2010 08:46 PimpMobeel wrote:
If you lose to 7 pool it is you who sucks.

Im willing to bet you have lost to a 7 pool in your time

Tyrran

France777 Posts

December 19 2010 23:47 GMT

#12

Because cheesing gets you wins. That's all.

At pro level, cheesing from one time to another is important so that your opponent doesn't always go for the super economical build. At amateur level ( mine, and I assume that it is yours too), it is an easy way to gets wins. There is nothing wrong with it ([Rant] execpt the absurd power of the terran cheeses[\Rant]), so learn to deal with it, and do not say that your opponent sucks when he just have beaten you.

Termit

Sweden3466 Posts

December 19 2010 23:51 GMT

#13

Why do you tell people they suck when they just beat you? You're the one who suck if you can't scout and defend vs cheese or all-ins.

A quick win is still a win, and if a player prefer that well then should you as opponent just shut the fuck up and play your game and not care so much about hes. There is no rule that you have to play macro-games.

So learn to deal with cheese and all-ins and make him cry. Peace!

iWoNsHoTT

33 Posts

December 19 2010 23:51 GMT

#14

On December 20 2010 08:47 Tyrran wrote:
Because cheesing gets you wins. That's all.

At pro level, cheesing from one time to another is important so that your opponent doesn't always go for the super economical build. At amateur level ( mine, and I assume that it is yours too), it is an easy way to gets wins. There is nothing wrong with it ([Rant] execpt the absurd power of the terran cheeses[\Rant]), so learn to deal with it, and do not say that your opponent sucks when he just have beaten you.

yah dude a 7 pools so hard to execute. Click the hatchery, make a drone, get 200 minerals, B,S, Click the hatchery again, Select larva ZZZ. Im pretty sure a fucking kid with downs can do that.

esp

Australia109 Posts

December 19 2010 23:52 GMT

#15

Yeah like a poster above said, people will sometimes do it instead of playing catch up when they're behind in econ.

Personally I rarely cheese, but sometimes it's just fun to do. Especially if I'm drunk, I'll just find it hilarious. I think that every good player should have a couple cheese builds up their sleeve for situations like tournaments when you're down one or two games and you need to catch up. And sometimes you just don't feel like playing a long game.

Schnullerbacke13

Germany1199 Posts

December 19 2010 23:54 GMT

#16

cheese is a necessary part of the game, to punish greedy builds. A cheesable build is invalid.

iWoNsHoTT

33 Posts

December 19 2010 23:54 GMT

#17

Cheesers suck. If they cant play a real game with a real build then they are bad. Thats basically what it boils down too. They realize they suck ass and when you dont do a "cheesy" strat they have no real way of winning.

oZii

United States1198 Posts

December 19 2010 23:55 GMT

#18

Ok we got

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175499

Discussion on cheese that was closed

Result Closed With this response from Chill

December 10 2010 03:01 Chill wrote:
Okay, so you saw a discussion about Rain doing all-ins to win. Then you decided "Wait, wait guys. Even though there's 44 pages of discussion about this, I will open my own thread summarizing how you should all act.

Why would you possibly do this? Why would you think this is a good idea?

Then we got

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169838

Result closed by Plexa

And we got

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177239

Result Closed by JWD

All the definitions of Cheese and discussions of cheese you want

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=97933
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157555
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171816
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124691

So doubt this last very long

bkrow

Australia8532 Posts

December 19 2010 23:55 GMT

#19

Playing a cheese strategy is part of the game - if you can't defend a cheese it is a part of your game that you need to improve; not the fault of cheeser.. This has the makings of a super terrible QQ thread. Get over it - you got cheesed; call the wambulance. You don't need to post a fucking topic on an online forum to rebuild your confidence.

Subversion

South Africa3627 Posts

December 20 2010 00:01 GMT

#20

cheesing is pretty fun dude

its hella intense and nerve-wracking

people play to have fun and easy wins are awesome when you get them. its just a part of the game, i never really cheese myself but every now and then when i do its pretty fun

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