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iWoNsHoTT
Profile Joined November 2010
33 Posts
December 20 2010 00:01 GMT
#21


@ bkrow Your from fucking Australia. How much confidence can you possibly have to begin with?




User was temp banned for this post.
I play for fun
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
December 20 2010 00:03 GMT
#22
And now OP = butthurt because no one agrees with him. Someone close this thread asap. [image loading]
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
December 20 2010 00:03 GMT
#23
The OP seems to be a troll anyway
esp
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia109 Posts
December 20 2010 00:03 GMT
#24
On December 20 2010 08:54 iWoNsHoTT wrote:
Cheesers suck. If they cant play a real game with a real build then they are bad. Thats basically what it boils down too. They realize they suck ass and when you dont do a "cheesy" strat they have no real way of winning.


Your post makes you sound bitter like you've had a lot of bad experiences being cheesed. Cheesing doesn't make you a bad player unless that's all you do. Even the tip top level players cheese every now and then. Didn't you see FruitDealer 6 pool in GSL season 1? You think he's a bad player?
Nashun
Profile Joined April 2010
United States56 Posts
December 20 2010 00:03 GMT
#25
If you can't hold off mediocre cheese, they're probably better than you.

They may have just realized it and decided to cheese and not waste their time.
iWoNsHoTT
Profile Joined November 2010
33 Posts
December 20 2010 00:05 GMT
#26
On December 20 2010 09:03 esp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 08:54 iWoNsHoTT wrote:
Cheesers suck. If they cant play a real game with a real build then they are bad. Thats basically what it boils down too. They realize they suck ass and when you dont do a "cheesy" strat they have no real way of winning.


Your post makes you sound bitter like you've had a lot of bad experiences being cheesed. Cheesing doesn't make you a bad player unless that's all you do. Even the tip top level players cheese every now and then. Didn't you see FruitDealer 6 pool in GSL season 1? You think he's a bad player?



I dont think cheese is bad, but what is bad is relying on it to get you every win. A good player can do more then 1 strat. a Bad player can only cheese. and when he only cheeses and thinks hes good because he wins games is what really is the main source. Cheese fills all these noobs egos.
I play for fun
HtC
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)26 Posts
December 20 2010 00:05 GMT
#27
Cheese is part of the game and it keeps you on your toes. Imo game would be pretty boring if no one cheesed.
Flashback-
Profile Joined November 2010
65 Posts
December 20 2010 00:06 GMT
#28
On December 20 2010 09:05 iWoNsHoTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 09:03 esp wrote:
On December 20 2010 08:54 iWoNsHoTT wrote:
Cheesers suck. If they cant play a real game with a real build then they are bad. Thats basically what it boils down too. They realize they suck ass and when you dont do a "cheesy" strat they have no real way of winning.


Your post makes you sound bitter like you've had a lot of bad experiences being cheesed. Cheesing doesn't make you a bad player unless that's all you do. Even the tip top level players cheese every now and then. Didn't you see FruitDealer 6 pool in GSL season 1? You think he's a bad player?



I dont think cheese is bad, but what is bad is relying on it to get you every win. A good player can do more then 1 strat. a Bad player can only cheese. and when he only cheeses and thinks hes good because he wins games is what really is the main source. Cheese fills all these noobs egos.


A good player can also hold off a 7 pool. You shouldn't be blaming them for doing it but rather blame yourself for losing against it
CASLsoju
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada253 Posts
December 20 2010 00:09 GMT
#29
I do it because I'm a magician. A magician performs a trick knowing he could fuck or totally pull it off. Same with cheese, if you can pull it off it's hilarious.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
December 20 2010 00:09 GMT
#30
On December 20 2010 09:01 iWoNsHoTT wrote:


@ bkrow Your from fucking Australia. How much confidence can you possibly have to begin with?




Lol okay - confirmed everything i had assumed from your OP.

Cheese is part of the game just learn to scout it and counter it and we can avoid these pleasant exchanges next time
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NadaSound
Profile Joined March 2010
United States227 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 00:13:42
December 20 2010 00:10 GMT
#31
On December 20 2010 08:55 oZii wrote:
Ok we got

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175499

Discussion on cheese that was closed

Result Closed With this response from Chill
Show nested quote +
December 10 2010 03:01 Chill wrote:
Okay, so you saw a discussion about Rain doing all-ins to win. Then you decided "Wait, wait guys. Even though there's 44 pages of discussion about this, I will open my own thread summarizing how you should all act.

Why would you possibly do this? Why would you think this is a good idea?


Then we got

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169838

Result closed by Plexa

And we got

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177239

Result Closed by JWD

All the definitions of Cheese and discussions of cheese you want

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=97933
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157555
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171816
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124691

So doubt this last very long

For real! No disscusion here just QQing.

@ OP: I can understand that it my be frustating to loose to cheese but you just have to except it as part of the game. As for why people do it, is because it is fun. It is not an instant win at all if they fail they fail epicly. So, it does take some skill to pull of, but in my opinion not as much as to defend it successfully.

Durring my last gaming session I was on a 6 game win streak and then lost to a cannon rush and that was ok becuse it made me feel that my game is good knowing that the only thing that could take me down cheese.
ionlyplayPROtoss
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada573 Posts
December 20 2010 00:10 GMT
#32
TSL_rain is reason 1

ladder players is largely reason one with a splash of reason 2.

and if its pvp its the only way to play.
munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
December 20 2010 00:12 GMT
#33
Popular commentators like Husky have been repeating that the best way to improve your game is to practice macro. Probably true, but I wonder if it hasn't contributed to the anti-cheese mindset around here. When I was learning BW (still learning, really, but whatever), a more experienced player told me to:

1. First, learn to rush / cheese. (Let's not bother with the difference for the moment).

2. Then learn to defend rushes and cheese.

3. Then practice macro.

I think this is a better mindset that emphasizes that early game play is an important part of the game.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 00:16:58
December 20 2010 00:13 GMT
#34
On December 20 2010 08:55 oZii wrote:
Ok we got

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175499

Discussion on cheese that was closed

Result Closed With this response from Chill
Show nested quote +
December 10 2010 03:01 Chill wrote:
Okay, so you saw a discussion about Rain doing all-ins to win. Then you decided "Wait, wait guys. Even though there's 44 pages of discussion about this, I will open my own thread summarizing how you should all act.

Why would you possibly do this? Why would you think this is a good idea?


Then we got

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169838

Result closed by Plexa

And we got

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177239

Result Closed by JWD

All the definitions of Cheese and discussions of cheese you want

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=97933
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157555
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171816
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124691

So doubt this last very long


This maybe one of the best search-ninja-ings/OP-embarrassments I've seen. Even categorized the threads by who closed them. Bravo.

And don't you just love when people continue to reply to the thread as though nothing has happened, proving that they didn't read even the first page of replies?
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Wotan86
Profile Joined December 2010
Latvia5 Posts
December 20 2010 00:16 GMT
#35
Funny how people talk about "real builds" opposed to cheese openings. Any build that has ever won you a game is valid and should be used if you keep winning with it. Not to mention that most cheese can be followed up with normal macro while beeing slightly or really behind in econ if you don't get an instant win. Also its funny to see how broad the definition of cheese is for some people, i have been accused of cheese when i do 4 gate timing pushes.
Basically if you don't want to get cheesed just do an early scout and adapt, scouting kills most cheese easily if you know how to counter it.
En Taro Pylo!
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
December 20 2010 00:17 GMT
#36
I'm really curious about age here=o

OP how old are you? How many youtube comments have you written?
slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
December 20 2010 00:18 GMT
#37
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 20 2010 08:46 PimpMobeel wrote:
If you lose to 7 pool it is you who sucks.


On December 20 2010 08:51 iWoNsHoTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 08:47 Tyrran wrote:
Because cheesing gets you wins. That's all.

At pro level, cheesing from one time to another is important so that your opponent doesn't always go for the super economical build. At amateur level ( mine, and I assume that it is yours too), it is an easy way to gets wins. There is nothing wrong with it ([Rant] execpt the absurd power of the terran cheeses[\Rant]), so learn to deal with it, and do not say that your opponent sucks when he just have beaten you.



yah dude a 7 pools so hard to execute. Click the hatchery, make a drone, get 200 minerals, B,S, Click the hatchery again, Select larva ZZZ. Im pretty sure a fucking kid with downs can do that.


On December 20 2010 08:54 iWoNsHoTT wrote:
Cheesers suck. If they cant play a real game with a real build then they are bad. Thats basically what it boils down too. They realize they suck ass and when you dont do a "cheesy" strat they have no real way of winning.


On December 20 2010 08:55 bkrow wrote:
Playing a cheese strategy is part of the game - if you can't defend a cheese it is a part of your game that you need to improve; not the fault of cheeser.. This has the makings of a super terrible QQ thread. Get over it - you got cheesed; call the wambulance. You don't need to post a fucking topic on an online forum to rebuild your confidence.


On December 20 2010 09:01 iWoNsHoTT wrote:


@ bkrow Your from fucking Australia. How much confidence can you possibly have to begin with?




WTB Mod and red ink.
I get it.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24779 Posts
December 20 2010 00:20 GMT
#38
OP is obviously angry. He shouldn't be accusing cheesers of stuff though. If he wants to discuss how dealing with mostly cheese is annoying then THAT would be ok in the correct place... not making your own rent thread in the sc2 forum.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
PimpMobeel
Profile Joined August 2010
120 Posts
December 20 2010 00:20 GMT
#39
On December 20 2010 08:47 iWoNsHoTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 08:46 PimpMobeel wrote:
If you lose to 7 pool it is you who sucks.



Im willing to bet you have lost to a 7 pool in your time

Actually, I have never lost to it. A standard terran wall stops it.
FrayzZeUsher
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States225 Posts
December 20 2010 00:20 GMT
#40
Because they want to win without putting in hard work

cheaters never win
cheesers never win
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