EPTWhy Nerfs, Patches and Whining Ruin Games - Page 8
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Twitches
Canada365 Posts
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
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Fizbin
Canada202 Posts
you say blizzard has been making the game for 10+ years. of those 10 years only 2 years of actual development was done. because of staff relocation to wowc. you say patchs dont fix balance. tell that to ppl who played bw 1.0 too 1.9. patchs fixed many things. i however agree with u saying to many wow players spamming the forums about stupid changes. you say that all this whinning is going to make this game crash and burn... i disagree... do u actually think blizzard listens to all the whine threads? they take it with a grain of salt and so should u frankly. ppl whine. big deal... since vanilla, this game is way more balanced. blizzard is doing awesome. you say your OP is about trying to get the community to stop whining as much... u say u posted it on the blizzard forum... and thats awesome. im happy u didnt originally post it here because TL staff lock balance threads 10 times a day here. sooner or later all the whiners will get the hint and stop posting stupid shit on TL. now in regards to blizzard forums: anyone who actually reads those things is in the wrong forums completely. this is where to be. TLDR: if u like to argue with retards and whiners. troll the blizzard forums. otherwise just use these forums which are awesome. 10x less whine here. blizzard takes the forums with a grain of salt. woudlnt worry about whine threads "burning the game" | ||
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
On December 17 2010 01:35 SubtleArt wrote: OP obviously played Protoss when beta started and switched to Terran. Are you really gonna be naive enough to assume a game this complex is going to be perfectly balanced barely months after its release? Maybe you don't realize it, but patches aren't random changes that a developer makes after hours of calculations and theory crafting. The game is balanced almost entirely on the feedback of its players. Now, I agree that people who don't know what they're talking about are useless when they complain but I find it completely ridiculous when top players who dedicate their life to the game like Idra, Ret, Nony, and Artosis + Show Spoiler + one of those may or may not be a joke Oh well i suppose we are opposites. I hate it when a pro QQ's or "gives feedback" and then everyone jumps on the band wagon. People have a right to their opinion, even if it is against someone of a higher skill level. Now I'm not saying, "all plats should complain," but getting annoyed by ones opinion is lame and in a sense arrogant. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
absolutely love this game but i must admit i dont say it enough. me whining on bnet or the gameplay balance etc is just a way of showing how much i care about it i guess. i guess my point here is that if u see someone talk negativity about the game it doesnt necessarily mean they dont like it or is losing hope, could just mean they love it alot and wants it to get improved coming from BW and analysing tons of replays u get the mindset of expecting things to be perfect and u only point out things that are mistakes or is bad so you can improve your play. i guess this still kinda caught on to me in my personality to do this on a daily basis revolving anything that comes across me im sure blizzard are doing their very best and im sure they appriciate even the negative feedback as long as it got some valid points in it so its not some rambling troll/ragequitter :p | ||
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Mensab
United States27 Posts
On December 17 2010 05:26 Tyree wrote: Trust me, people were whining about balance in videogames since the first arcade version of SF2: WW was out when Guile was killing people left and right When the Rocket Launcher in Quake 1 was insanely overpowered, then made really weak in Quake 2. The same happened in Starcraft, but since so few actually were on forums back then few remember it, they just like to pretend that Brood War came out and Blizzard just magically balanced it with no input from very good players. I am sure "QQ" was made popular on WoW or 4chan, but actually whining about balance in games has been here way before WoW ever got released. For some reason people just want to pretend that everything was rosy before but now, since that demon hell spawn game called World of Warcraft came out, every gamer turned into a blabbering idiot. Whining, etc, has been around ever since bulletin boards were available, but WoW really brought in a large portion of the public (and a ton of morons) into gaming. Coupled with the fact that the devs were willing to cave in to the largest and loudest group meant that the paradigm re: game balance had shifted largely in favor of these idiots | ||
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
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shawty
United Kingdom294 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On December 17 2010 05:53 shawty wrote: I completely agree with the OP [...] some people really need to learn respect and humility From OP: "STOP FUCKING COMPLAINING, STOP FUCKING WHINING, AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME" Yeah. Whole OP is written in such a way of respect and humility. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On December 17 2010 05:53 shawty wrote: I completely agree with the OP. So often I alt-f4 TL because of the unbearably stupid comments some people make. Like the "Hey Listen!" thread, some people really need to learn respect and humility The Hey! Listen! thread was a polite and amusing thread about posting etiquette imploring users to think more critically before posting. This thread is a long-winded ALL CAPS rant about stuff that "ruins" games. | ||
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-Jambi-
United States60 Posts
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Faze.
Canada285 Posts
Some people are able to point out flaws, as you said the game is ours to discover, but we're not only gonna discover rainbows of fun and perfectly balanced strategies, there's also a lot of imbalanced crap people will come up with in the future. I do have to agree that most of the NPW is useless, biased, and gives an overall bad feeling about the community. But blizzard keeps saying they want players feedback for their games, so we're gonna see that kind of crap forever. A simple solution would be to create forums only for NPW, that could be useful even on TL. NPW threads would go there, if you dont wanna see them just dont go in those forums, it would keep the good forums clean. Something that would be good to add to this (but I doubt that's possible) would be to have moderators keep an eye on that forum to kind of "filter" or "separate" who's just crying huge tears of rage at their computer, from the people who actually give well thought out ideas to improve the game. This would be more of an official blizzard forum thing tho, but they could eventually have a private forum where only the smart posters are invited in to discuss game balance on a neutral ground, without interference of the stupid people who just cant help it and post retarded things everyday. Because lets face it, there are smart people in this world, and there are stupid people, and this is just a wild guess but when it comes to game balance stupid people aren't all that useful. | ||
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jstar
Canada568 Posts
On December 17 2010 05:46 Mensab wrote: Whining, etc, has been around ever since bulletin boards were available, but WoW really brought in a large portion of the public (and a ton of morons) into gaming. Coupled with the fact that the devs were willing to cave in to the largest and loudest group meant that the paradigm re: game balance had shifted largely in favor of these idiots This x1000. To people who don't understand how the gaming industry has changed, leading to how developers have different perspectives in balance and community input, read this. | ||
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TrainFX
United States469 Posts
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ryndaris
263 Posts
Thank you for your post OP, reminders like this are a very good thing... time to stop whining about PvT and start raping Terrans instead. And how I share your sentiments about WoW... I used to love that game back when an epic item really was epic and an achievement in itself - Headmasters Charge, my fellow warlocks? Oh, the endless Scholo runs  | ||
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
Protoss got some changes and the void ray still seems in beta with as much attention it has gotten in patches before and after launch. It's still potent even with the developments it has received. These are a few changes I can think of at the moment that had purpose but didn't cause a great deal of long term harm to the races involved. The changes have done if anything made timings and decision making that much tighter. | ||
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yellowguan
43 Posts
When we hit the point where a nerf is ridiculously reasonable and the people who play that race unanimously whines and blizzard complies (lately complying a lot with zerg as of late), there would be a call for this thread, but its just not the right time. Edit: I also want to note that hopefully the starcraft community's take on the patches is not so negative initially, after a couple months of testing within the changed meta there would be a reasonable consensus on whether or not a nerf or a buff is right or wrong. Edit: And this is the point where i agree with OP: Blizzard, listen to the community but at the same time, listen to your own data and testing within the game. The rational and the irrational is something to put in perspective | ||
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
2. Of course if there are certain glaring imbalances, people should voice their opinions about this to an extent. Let me clarify this point though. Presenting an argument about a perceived imbalance is completely different than the nonsensical whining we see plaguing (plaguuuuuu) the forums. People are too quick to judge when they can't just hit a few buttons to fix a problem, this is mainly because the majority of lower skilled players have the idea reinforced in their head from WOW that if they complain enough, the game will be made easier. The quantity of whining should not be a factor, but rather the quality! 3. By constantly nerfing, you are diminishing the wow affect certain units or abilities bring to the table. We all want a dynamic and engaging game right? 4. I agree some bigger/more balanced maps in the ladder pool would be awesome. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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