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TributeBoxer
Profile Joined November 2010
United States163 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 08:54:44
December 09 2010 08:46 GMT
#1
North Korea state media on Thursday issued a statement that claimed possession of all waters around South Korea-controlled Yeonpyeong Island, clarifying for the first time that its Nov. 23 attack of the island was motivated by a different view of the inter-Korean maritime boundary in the Yellow Sea than is widely held.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704447604576008183284284532.html?mod=fox_australian

North Korea seems to be foreshadowing another attack or confrontation. Something big is coming.

WSJ story posted in full here. http://www.nkeconwatch.com/2010/12/08/dprk-claims-waters-around-yonphyong-island/
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ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
December 09 2010 08:49 GMT
#2
So it was supposed to be an invasion instead of retaliation? I think I'd like a translation of the original statement because this isn't making any sense.
PeT[uK]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States412 Posts
December 09 2010 08:50 GMT
#3
This is the beginning of a third world war. History was bound to repeat itself, but I'm a little disappointed with mankind...
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 09 2010 08:51 GMT
#4
On December 09 2010 17:50 PeT[uK] wrote:
This is the beginning of a third world war. History was bound to repeat itself, but I'm a little disappointed with mankind...


woah take it easy there. It's only north korea, alone it can't do much and nobody is willing to back that country up.
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
December 09 2010 08:53 GMT
#5
On December 09 2010 17:50 PeT[uK] wrote:
This is the beginning of a third world war. History was bound to repeat itself, but I'm a little disappointed with mankind...

I'm quite pleased with how far we're getting. And this doesn't mean it's over, nor is a third world war going to happen because you say so.
KamikazeFrog
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark64 Posts
December 09 2010 08:53 GMT
#6
On December 09 2010 17:50 PeT[uK] wrote:
This is the beginning of a third world war. History was bound to repeat itself, but I'm a little disappointed with mankind...

I lost my faith in humanity around the time i discovered the internet
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
December 09 2010 08:53 GMT
#7
I kinda knew this already from the other Korea thread. The North doesn't acknowledge the maritime borderline and claims the water around some South Korean islands. If the South shoots into the water around one of those islands, by the North's definition, it would be an "attack on their maritime territory".
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
December 09 2010 08:54 GMT
#8
Seriously just blow North Korea up and build a water park or something in its place.. North Korea does nothing to better mankind and wouldn't in anyway be missed.
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
December 09 2010 08:57 GMT
#9
On December 09 2010 17:54 IamAnton wrote:
Seriously just blow North Korea up and build a water park or something in its place.. North Korea does nothing to better mankind and wouldn't in anyway be missed.


Wow. You are a bad human being.

I certainly hope S. Korea resolves this issue without more bloodshed. North Korea's instability and unpredictability lead to constant unnecessary tension in the region.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
December 09 2010 08:58 GMT
#10
On December 09 2010 17:57 Ummbeefy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 17:54 IamAnton wrote:
Seriously just blow North Korea up and build a water park or something in its place.. North Korea does nothing to better mankind and wouldn't in anyway be missed.


Wow. You are a bad human being.

I certainly hope S. Korea resolves this issue without more bloodshed. North Korea's instability and unpredictability lead to constant unnecessary tension in the region.

How do you resolve this tricky issue in any fashion?
Maul
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia130 Posts
December 09 2010 08:59 GMT
#11
On December 09 2010 17:54 IamAnton wrote:
Seriously just blow North Korea up and build a water park or something in its place.. North Korea does nothing to better mankind and wouldn't in anyway be missed.


Yeah... fuck the millions of brainwashed victims up! They don't know any better; but who cares! Fuck yeah! Let's drink some beer while we drop the nukes on a whole country. Have good time. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh




/sarcasm
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 09 2010 09:01 GMT
#12
I hope the United States sails the USS George Washington through there, then we'll see how much NK really wants to defend their territorial waters.
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Jesushooves
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada553 Posts
December 09 2010 09:04 GMT
#13
"something big is coming"
"this is the beginning of a third world war"
Come on guys, try to relax a bit, North Korea has stated those waters belonged to it long ago, way before this confrontation. Also, despite what the news article said, everyone knew as soon as the artillery was fired that it was because of them firing into the alleged North Korean waters, despite North Korea not saying so until now. North Korea has no argument, after all the armistice was signed that stated those waters were South Korean. If North Korea does declare war, it will be the world versus North Korea, and because of this, war isn't going to happen anytime soon. So everyone just take a breather, although war could start at any time between the countries, the same could be said of any other two countries.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
December 09 2010 09:07 GMT
#14
can't we deploy all f22's and stealth bombers simultaneously to bomb every key point at the same time? then use the rest of the fighter jets to counter and shoot down other threats.

just asking, i know this isn't c&c :/
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IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
December 09 2010 09:08 GMT
#15
Yes we all know war will never happen. It's the same old pathetic attempt by Noth Korea to open up trade and receive more aid yet again.

too Umm: I see being a good human being as putting the masses before the few, in actuality its for the best of world safety.
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
December 09 2010 09:09 GMT
#16
On December 09 2010 18:07 jinorazi wrote:
can't we deploy all f22's and stealth bombers simultaneously to bomb every key point at the same time? then use the rest of the fighter jets to counter and shoot down other threats.

just asking, i know this isn't c&c :/


theres apparently 6000 missles aimed at Seoul is the issue. How do you stop them all.
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
NotGood-
Profile Joined March 2010
United States134 Posts
December 09 2010 09:13 GMT
#17
On December 09 2010 17:58 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 17:57 Ummbeefy wrote:
On December 09 2010 17:54 IamAnton wrote:
Seriously just blow North Korea up and build a water park or something in its place.. North Korea does nothing to better mankind and wouldn't in anyway be missed.


Wow. You are a bad human being.

I certainly hope S. Korea resolves this issue without more bloodshed. North Korea's instability and unpredictability lead to constant unnecessary tension in the region.

How do you resolve this tricky issue in any fashion?


You blow the country up and build a water park duh.

But no really North korea isnt going to chill out and start being peaceful and normal until it has a new governement. And that isnt happening anytime soon. I Honestly think of north korea as a high school teenage girl. Starting drama and whatever else it possibly can to be the center of drama.

Oh well.
Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 09:15:26
December 09 2010 09:14 GMT
#18

theres apparently 6000 missles aimed at Seoul is the issue. How do you stop them all?


Point Defense Drone

hoho i went there

User was temp banned for this post.
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
December 09 2010 09:14 GMT
#19
Oh no north korea said something ITS THE END OF THE WORLD D:

you guys need to chill out, there is not going to be a major war
: o )
sksyen
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States359 Posts
December 09 2010 09:16 GMT
#20
On December 09 2010 17:53 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 17:50 PeT[uK] wrote:
This is the beginning of a third world war. History was bound to repeat itself, but I'm a little disappointed with mankind...

I'm quite pleased with how far we're getting. And this doesn't mean it's over, nor is a third world war going to happen because you say so.


Care to expand on exactly what you are 'quite pleased' with as far as where we are going?

Maybe I'm too economically focused with the way I view the world but I would love to hear what input you can give to back such a statement.
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
December 09 2010 09:19 GMT
#21
On December 09 2010 18:16 sksyen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 17:53 Roe wrote:
On December 09 2010 17:50 PeT[uK] wrote:
This is the beginning of a third world war. History was bound to repeat itself, but I'm a little disappointed with mankind...

I'm quite pleased with how far we're getting. And this doesn't mean it's over, nor is a third world war going to happen because you say so.


Care to expand on exactly what you are 'quite pleased' with as far as where we are going?

Maybe I'm too economically focused with the way I view the world but I would love to hear what input you can give to back such a statement.

I just meant as mythology-loving primates, I take a more skeptical stance, so I'm not disappointed at this juncture.
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
December 09 2010 09:19 GMT
#22
On December 09 2010 18:14 Zrana wrote:

Show nested quote +
theres apparently 6000 missles aimed at Seoul is the issue. How do you stop them all?


Point Defense Drone

hoho i went there


you sir may have just solved the fake war.
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 09:24:03
December 09 2010 09:20 GMT
#23
On December 09 2010 18:14 Zrana wrote:

Show nested quote +
theres apparently 6000 missles aimed at Seoul is the issue. How do you stop them all?


Point Defense Drone

hoho i went there

There's actually a laser already being developed that does exactly that...

not instantly though, it needs to hit the target for a few seconds before it blows up

but the idea is basically there...

it can lock on to several targets

not surprising that it's made by amerikans though
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sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States748 Posts
December 09 2010 09:25 GMT
#24
if the op of this thread could do us all the favor of updating it if any new information is acquired that would be greatly appreciated.

A friend of mine is going into the army next month and had zero knowledge of what has been happening in these Korean conflicts. So I told him about it all, and a lot of the propaganda, he was wildly surprised and looked kind of worried.

I hope nothing happens, but eventually something is going to have to happen with N. Korea. I just hope the innocent people of both country's don't suffer to much. Even though N. Korea's innocent suffer more then they should already.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
December 09 2010 09:27 GMT
#25
NK pushing buttons as usual. Not that we should brush it aside every time, but I don't think this is the beginning of WWIII...
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 09 2010 09:31 GMT
#26
WWII at least each side had a rather sizable military might. China would most likely do nothing, which means that it would be US+SK+ a few other countries vs NK if a war broke out. The trouble is that NK may have nuclear weaponry and judging by their values and beliefs, do not worry about the consequences of deploying them.
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OmegaSyrus
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada46 Posts
December 09 2010 09:32 GMT
#27
I have severe disdain for North Korea.
Praise the system.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
December 09 2010 09:32 GMT
#28
With S. Korea, China and USA on the same side, N. Korea needs to stop attention whoring.
I am not good with quotes
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
December 09 2010 09:35 GMT
#29
On December 09 2010 18:32 s.a.y wrote:
With S. Korea, China and USA on the same side, N. Korea needs to stop attention whoring.

China is allied with N.K., no?
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 09 2010 09:37 GMT
#30
i.e. NK is so "spoiled" (hey, even China says so) that they are trying to see how close to a war they can go before...well... they actually get into war.

("Testing the Waters" herpderpderp)
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Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
December 09 2010 09:37 GMT
#31
On December 09 2010 18:14 Zrana wrote:

Show nested quote +
theres apparently 6000 missles aimed at Seoul is the issue. How do you stop them all?


Point Defense Drone

hoho i went there

User was temp banned for this post.

Ok, I've got to admit that this was hilarious.
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
December 09 2010 09:41 GMT
#32
On December 09 2010 17:50 PeT[uK] wrote:
This is the beginning of a third world war. History was bound to repeat itself, but I'm a little disappointed with mankind...


omg this proves aliens too!!! i'm disappointed in mankind
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nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
December 09 2010 09:47 GMT
#33
On December 09 2010 18:37 Melancholia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 18:14 Zrana wrote:

theres apparently 6000 missles aimed at Seoul is the issue. How do you stop them all?


Point Defense Drone

hoho i went there

User was temp banned for this post.

Ok, I've got to admit that this was hilarious.


There's several youtube videos on a similar technology but it's ground based and can switch targets fairly quickly ( calculates trajectory and finds them )
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AgentMulder
Profile Joined August 2010
United States54 Posts
December 09 2010 09:49 GMT
#34
What exactly this mean I do not know, but I fear the Norks will just keep putting on more and more pressure.

Think about it historically. In the past any time the North did something rash what happened? The US and South Korea appeased them, sent in food aid or fuel (which was diverted to the government), all in the name of defusing the situation. The North kept up this pattern for years and all was kosher.

Now the US and ROK governments are basically saying "go fuck yourself" whenever NK comes calling. As a result they do something even more rash and confrontational, repeat ad nausium until you reach a point where either concession or military retaliation is inevitable. Problem is bombing the North isn't going to do anything. Kim Jong-il and his cadres don't give a damn about their people's lives, and they have enough artillery pointed at Seoul to do great damage to the city.

KJI is playing a dangerous game here. Three things can happen, two of which are bad for him. Right now the average NK citizen isn't exactly praising his leadership, and the more time goes on the greater the resistance will become. If further provocation causes the US/ROK to yield and appease the North, it's a long term loss for them. Sure the party gets propped up a while longer, but the average citizen will see none of it.

On the other hand the KPA could underestimate their adversaries and provoke a full on theater war. Considering they still use equipment the Soviet Union discarded long ago this won't end well for them. This also limits their ability to damage Seoul, as full scale warfare will involve many air raids, and with the use of stealth aircraft most of the arty can be taken out. Many lives will be lost, it's a no win scenario, but the North loses way worse in a full scale war.

Where the North wins is in the event of a limited war. Think along the lines of the Israeli attacks a few years back. Such a war will probably involve air campaigns with limited to no ground invasion (boots on the ground in NK, especially American ones, will almost certainly provoke a full war). Militarily it will be meaningless, but it will be a massive propaganda victory. KJI will finally have proof positive that the US imperialist warmongering pig-dogs and the south Korean puppets seek to destroy the glorious fatherland (worst, KNCA impression, ever). Much of the dissent seen within the military and privileged of the North will vanish. The effects on the unlucky majority who can't eat, that cannot be predicted.

To sum up:

I think this is mostly bluster, and pray they don't do anything stupid. Two consecutive attacks would indicate a suicidal level of aggression, which is not really KJI's style. Unless he is losing control of the military, I suspect nothing will come of this. If, God forbid, KJI has lost control of the army then anything is on the table.
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us.insurgency
Profile Joined March 2010
United States330 Posts
December 09 2010 09:55 GMT
#35
On December 09 2010 17:50 PeT[uK] wrote:
This is the beginning of a third world war. History was bound to repeat itself, but I'm a little disappointed with mankind...

China is not siding with North Korea. I hate war but at least it would end the Iriqi war.
eos
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand39 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 09:57:41
December 09 2010 09:55 GMT
#36
On December 09 2010 17:53 KamikazeFrog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 17:50 PeT[uK] wrote:
This is the beginning of a third world war. History was bound to repeat itself, but I'm a little disappointed with mankind...

I lost my faith in humanity around the time i discovered the internet


I lost my faith in humanity around the time I discovered 4chan.


In all honesty, I hope it pans out somewhat akin to the Berlin Wall - North and South reunited.

Although who knows how deep the indoctrination lies? AMERICAN IMPERIALISTS!

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us.insurgency
Profile Joined March 2010
United States330 Posts
December 09 2010 09:56 GMT
#37
On December 09 2010 18:55 us.insurgency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 17:50 PeT[uK] wrote:
This is the beginning of a third world war. History was bound to repeat itself, but I'm a little disappointed with mankind...

China is not siding with North Korea. I hate war but at least it would end the Iriqi war.

Edit: being optamistic.
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
December 09 2010 09:56 GMT
#38
oh yea, 4chan really hurted the internet, and the internet really hurted mankind.
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IronMonocle
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada142 Posts
December 09 2010 09:57 GMT
#39
I have severe disdain for the ethnocentric viewpoints of the West. North Korea is forced to have a strong military due to continued western efforts to spread its capitalistic seed of corruption through the world.

Western and Korean media in this news story's case simply mold the stories to their liking to incite public opinion so it is hard to say what is really happening between North and South Korea.

It is important to note that American Capitalist corruption runs deep in the world and it seems as if North Korea is one of the few bastions of socialism. Yes, North Korea is not perfect, but their cause is noble and one must respect that.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
December 09 2010 09:57 GMT
#40
They have always said they regard the waters around these islands their territory. Can we please keep it to the existing NK thread and not make a new one for every press statement from these clowns.
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