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OsC
Canada542 Posts
does anyone have it early that can give some reviews and some videos? also the ironclad has been out for a while, does anyone have it and any reviews and advice? is the extra bucks for this mouse mat worth it? its got a hard surface which is different from other mouse mats. its VERY expensive for a mouse mat, but money is not an issue atm and im looking to buy a new mouse and new mouse mat for gaming. i want the best out there and ive already decided on the mouse. | ||
Cadgers
United States514 Posts
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
On November 08 2010 12:19 Cadgers wrote: Google it. thanks tips i have i could not find any razer spectre videos or any indepth razer ironclad reviews mostly just unboxing videos | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
i'd recommend an abyssus instead | ||
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I Hott Sauce I
United States91 Posts
Also, the ironclad is..well not reviewed that much. I'd stick with getting a Razer Destructor (I have this as well)...its a hard pad, and pretty much perfection. | ||
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SirDuke
United States239 Posts
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AnG3r
Germany6 Posts
What I've used in the past years: Logitech MX510, G7 Microsoft Habu, Sidewinder X8 and IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 and a couple of crappy noname products which broke within a few weeks. A week ago I've replaced the IM Explorer 3 with a Roccat Kone [+] and I have to say, that this is by far the best mouse out of the whole set of mice I've used before. Sure, you have loads of unnecessary stuff with it, but also some handy things (don't wanna advertise the features here, guess you can google that on your own). The Razer Spectre is listed for 80€ over at Amazon, as well as the Roccat Kone [+] - so it might be worth to do some thinking here  .As for the mouse mat: Steelseries Qck, nothing else. Had different Razer mats and pads and other things - the Qck is awesome and kinda cheap imo. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
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vittoleon
2 Posts
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Carefoot
Canada410 Posts
On November 09 2010 07:52 RaiZ wrote: If you have deathadder you haven't tried the logitech mx5XX or g500. It's roughly the same shape except that they're better quality. I tried all 3 and i finally settled on the Xai from Steelseries. I went through both generations of death adder and hated all of them. G500 and the MX5 series are good but mediocre at best. G5 is the only logitech mouse I recommend and maybe the G9X if it fits your hand. DeathAdder has cheap feeling plastic where the right clubbuttons rest and if you play 8 hours like I do a day that shit feels awful plus it collects grime like no other in the crevice. Definetly doesn't come recommended. Also the deathadder will degrade, the mouse casing will creak when you hold it. If you want to try the razer spectre go get a Razer Abyssus it has the exact same shape minus the lights and is way cheaper. It has 3200dpi and is a good basic mouse. I'd recommend it as an alternative to the Xai if its too expensive for you. | ||
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universalwill
United States654 Posts
also, all you need for a mousepad is a steelseries qck. don't spend too much on a mousepad. qck is a tried-and-true awesome mousepad and the price on it is better. if money really isn't an issue and you really can't imagine getting anything but those two products, then sure. but if you're cool with getting basically the exact same thing for less money (just less fancy looking), go for a salmosa and a qck instead. take the money you save on those two things and get yourself a razer blackwidow, because i just got one of those bad boys and that's a razer product worth it's price if there ever was one. | ||
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misaTO
Argentina204 Posts
Mx518 for FPS Ikari Laser for RTS. Fun fact : A manufacturer in my country has found a way to duplicate the Qck design so there are some really good quality pads for 10 dollars. | ||
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monx
Canada1400 Posts
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vek
Australia936 Posts
This sensor has massive problems with built in acceleration, prediction and Z-Axis distance control. The Phillips Twin Eye sensor is cheap and nasty and not good for gaming. If you must get a Razer mouse get one of their IR Optical mice. You are probably better off looking at Steelseries/Logitech laser mice that use the superior Avago sensor. Having owned several PTE based mice I can tell you from first hand experience they are utter shit. http://razerblueprints.net/index.php/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,99/topic,7405.0/ http://razerblueprints.net/index.php/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,99/topic,8590.0/ http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=7259&page=3 http://ariekanarie.nl/archives/172/razer-imperator-review http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/807768-why-phillips-twin-eye-sensor-hated.html http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1537896 Do yourself (and your wallet) a favor and stay away. | ||
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
whats so special about steelseries qck? what the difference between qck+, qck mass, etc? | ||
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AceOfBlades
Australia42 Posts
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JinRohHANZO
France40 Posts
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
the thought that the smooth ironclad surface gets dirty doesnt sound appealing what about the razer mamba? | ||
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nalho
United States351 Posts
You should get this mouse instead of the razer mouses. It is really nice for FPS and RTS gaming. | ||
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Balfazar
Australia483 Posts
The wireless is well done since you can unplug the braided USB from the dock and into the mouse and you instantly have a wired mouse (while also charging it). This is good for me because I constantly forget to put it in the dock to charge, so I tend to just use it wireless until the battery runs out (2-3 days) then plug in the USB and use it wired until it is charged, rinse repeat. | ||
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
how is the battery and is it reliable when it is used wireless? how is the tracking and performance? is it worth the price? | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
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Minzy
Australia387 Posts
On November 08 2010 14:45 Subversion wrote: seems to be overpriced and nothing special. apt description of razer products in general. | ||
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
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vicariouscheese
United States589 Posts
On November 21 2010 14:03 Oscatron wrote: isnt the mamba an upgraded version of the deathadder? thats what it seems if by upgrade you mean you pay $100 more for wireless and nice packaging, then yes its an upgrade | ||
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SYNC_qx
Germany197 Posts
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TSM
Great Britain584 Posts
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
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TypeFake
United States121 Posts
Although if I wasn't so broke ass broke at the time, I would have, without a doubt, gotten a Xai... qq The Spectre is just crap. Definitely not worth the money when all it does is flash some lights at a certain APM. Unless you're the type of guy who likes flashy things, just get something practical. Saves money and gets the job done. | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
I'm gonna buy a spectre too, even as a huge Steelseries fan, and I've been kind of a razer anti-fan.. The spectre will fucking own, and what's the most appealing about it to me is it's shape and light weight. Dont listen to the people who actually think they have a clue here. I can tell you right now that unless you were at E3, you have not touched the Spectre and afaik no one has it yet, which is the reason why you havent seen any reviews or anything. Either way go with what you want. I'd buy a mouse today with the idea of having the perfect fit for your hand and nothing else. The techs are spectacular, and that's what you should expect from any mouse today. If it actually is horrible and have sucky drivers and built-in mouse acc (Xai...), then hell, it's terrible, but I doubt that will happen. When it comes to the mousepad I think it's the same thing here, but I'm going on a whim and say that it's probably abit too expensive. There is alot of great options around. What are you looking at when you get a mousepad? Answer that, look it up, and apply it to the items you consider. | ||
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norterrible
United States618 Posts
On November 21 2010 14:01 Minzy wrote: apt description of razer products in general. It's shocking how many people not only like razer products, but actually make threads about them and recommend them to their friends with these ridiculous testimonials like "i've tried every mouse, but the quality and price of razer is unbeatable!". I've been using a microsoft intellimouse for the past decade and it was like 20 bucks. How long do razer products usually last? From what I can tell from my friends, 2 years is about the max lifespan. That's pretty sad for how much they cost. If I'm going to be the 'xtreme gamer' they say I will become after using their products, I don't want my mouse to just die in the middle of a game. edit: ^^^ MOUSE DRIVERS!??! FORCED MOUSE ACCEL???? HAHAHAHHA | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 22 2010 05:31 Kyuki wrote: If it actually is horrible and have sucky drivers and built-in mouse acc (Xai...), then hell, it's terrible, but I doubt that will happen. Yeah, it's not like SteelSeries has a history (Ikari Optical) of hyping (Ikari Laser) their mouse's performance (Kinzu) and then releasing a technical letdown (Xai.) Razer makes a lot of terrible, overhyped crap but they have gotten their optical mice right as much as anyone since early Logitech. Lord knows why Logitech abandoned the MX310 and 518 development for terrible Avago lasers. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 22 2010 05:50 norterrible wrote: It's shocking how many people not only like razer products, but actually make threads about them and recommend them to their friends with these ridiculous testimonials like "i've tried every mouse, but the quality and price of razer is unbeatable!". I've been using a microsoft intellimouse for the past decade and it was like 20 bucks. A new IME3.0 costs more than an Abyssus and DA 3g (spiritual successor to the IME 3.0.) Those two mice are continually $30~ and lead all others in performance. Unless you want a WoW mouse, there's essentially no performance gain by going above the Logitech/Razer $30-40 mice, and often performance gets worse. But no matter how many mouse threads that pop up, people will continue to throw down $70 on an Imperator or G9x that's technically inferior. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
I've been using a MX 518 for around 4 years and have decided to get a DeathAdder to upgrade. | ||
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HalfAmazing
Netherlands402 Posts
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On November 22 2010 06:19 Jibba wrote: Yeah, it's not like SteelSeries has a history (Ikari Optical) of hyping (Ikari Laser) their mouse's performance (Kinzu) and then releasing a technical letdown (Xai.) Razer makes a lot of terrible, overhyped crap but they have gotten their optical mice right as much as anyone since early Logitech. Lord knows why Logitech abandoned the MX310 and 518 development for terrible Avago lasers. That's my point. I'm not sure if you quoted me and put down a sarcastic remark to point out that I'm stupid or if you actually agreed with me O_O ?_? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 22 2010 07:30 Kyuki wrote: That's my point. I'm not sure if you quoted me and put down a sarcastic remark to point out that I'm stupid or if you actually agreed with me O_O ?_? I couldn't tell, the wording is kind of weird plus I was feeling a bit dyslexic. D: | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On November 22 2010 07:43 Jibba wrote: I couldn't tell, the wording is kind of weird plus I was feeling a bit dyslexic. D: Haha, I'm still not sure what's going on here. xD Whatever, I think the mouse will be good technically. If it's worth the money is extremly subjective, and it will come down to feel and not performance. Imo. | ||
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zyglrox
United States1168 Posts
for sc2 i would say you just need any solid good brand name mouse. just something that fits you and you feel comfy with. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On November 22 2010 07:13 HalfAmazing wrote: Razer is very poor quality with an extreme "gamers are stupid" mark-up. Don't waste your money. The DeathAdder is only $48 on Amazon right now, which makes it one of the best bargain mice you can find right now. The MX518 is currently $42. Yeah, some of the others are pretty expensive, but one of the very best is quite reasonably priced. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Balfazar
Australia483 Posts
On November 21 2010 13:44 Oscatron wrote: can you charge it as you are using it when you plug in the wire? (wired) how is the battery and is it reliable when it is used wireless? how is the tracking and performance? is it worth the price? Yes you can charge and use wired. I've had this mouse maybe 5 months and the battery still gives me 2-3 days, the battery is also replaceable. As for the rest, the combination of high performance and wireless is what you are paying for with this mouse... I don't notice any difference between wired and wireless and you can go up to some ridiculous DPI and still maintain accuracy, I keep my DPI much higher than I did with my MX518 because the tracking feels smooth and accurate even at the high levels. The only thing I feel missing with this mouse is no aural indicator of low battery, you have to look at the gauge (though it is easy to see if you are right handed). It would probably get annoying if there was one though so no big deal. | ||
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Gcubed
United States131 Posts
On November 22 2010 05:09 TypeFake wrote: I use the DeathAdder, and the only gripe I have with it is that there's the occasional grime on the plastic parts of the mouse. Other than that I'm satisfied. I don't mind the cheap plastic feeling. If it gets the job done, then it's golden. Although if I wasn't so broke ass broke at the time, I would have, without a doubt, gotten a Xai... qq The Spectre is just crap. Definitely not worth the money when all it does is flash some lights at a certain APM. Unless you're the type of guy who likes flashy things, just get something practical. Saves money and gets the job done. dude how can you blame the mouse for getting grimy? I would like to point out that since the sides are plastic they are more durable to actual wear and are MUCH easier to clean off WHEN the grime builds up. On my old Microsoft Intellimouse the side material wore away and kept causing me problems. And it cracks me up how you guys are all Razer product experts after having one bad experience. | ||
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
got the destructor just yesterday it is awesome, huge difference. cant wait to get the razer spectre | ||
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Chiprolious
United States17 Posts
On November 21 2010 13:44 Oscatron wrote: can you charge it as you are using it when you plug in the wire? (wired) how is the battery and is it reliable when it is used wireless? how is the tracking and performance? is it worth the price? I use the Mamba with the Destructor mouse pad and really like it. The mouse does charge while you have it plugged in but I find that I only get about 12-14 hours of constant use before the battery dies Tracking and performance are incredible in my opinion but I've never had any other gaming mice to compare to. Price was not an issue for me. | ||
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
i dont want it to wear down or smoothen out after 6 weeks since i paid 40+ dollars for this mousemat. if this is truly the case im probably gonna return it but wtf isnt that gonna be the case for all mouse mats? i used a cloth one for years and the edges strayed out but that was it except the performance compared to the destructor is horrible | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
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Nervegas
United States45 Posts
I recommend the mx518, cheap, good optics, easy to sue (no drivers even to use the on the fly sens adjustment). The only down side is it is a right handed mouse, as it has the form factor going on. I had a diamondback when they first came out and hated the shape of the mouse. Razer is overpriced imo. | ||
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XQlusive
Netherlands58 Posts
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
Regarding the plastic side buttons, yeah, a lot of gunk does build up in them. I end up cleaning the area out once a month or so with a staple or something. Regarding mouse pads, why do you want a destructor? I really recommend getting a good mouse pad if you're getting an expensive mouse, but I'm not sure why you want a hard mat. I play on 3500 dpi settings on a cloth mat and haven't noticed any performance issues. Edit -- thanks Semantics for explaining the difference. I don't have a lazer mouse, so that may be why I haven't noticed anything odd. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On December 15 2010 02:01 triangle wrote: One thing that I think is often overlooked about higher quality mice is the mouse feet. I have a Deathadder, and on a decent mouse pad it just glides with no resistance. Cheaper mice tend to have gunk build up on the mouse feet or just don't move as smoothly in general. Regarding the plastic side buttons, yeah, a lot of gunk does build up in them. I end up cleaning the area out once a month or so with a staple or something. Regarding mouse pads, why do you want a destructor? I really recommend getting a good mouse pad if you're getting an expensive mouse, but I'm not sure why you want a hard mat. I play on 3500 dpi settings on a cloth mat and haven't noticed any performance issues. for lazer mice you should look for a consistently flat surface, cloth mats can cause issues with lazer mice mostly the very thick kind of cloth mats. In other words although optical may like a textured surface which cloth mats provide, lazer mats prefer a nice hadmat. | ||
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mesred
Germany84 Posts
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
here you go | ||
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Cammalleri
Canada190 Posts
Dont buy it, it's terrible, waste of money. | ||
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
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IamAnton
Canada335 Posts
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