With the approval of Plexa i have decided to make this thread after my faithful encounter with one of these horrible creatures earlier. I present to you the TL Hacker Database!! Basically, here you upload reps to any site where you can download stuff off of obviously, and then use this format:
Format: Realm : North America Your name : Ig0tHacked Hacker Name : id0n7h4ck Replay : replay.replay(whatever format sc2 uses..) Description : Well i was sitting there not making observers but he never scouted that and he flys in his cloaked banshees and im just like lol wtf? and my DT tech is completely useless, and i never heard a scan or anything!!! he didnt even know where i was Obvious things to note : Makes a nydus worm without vision scans my DT's without them even attacking After watching the replay i found him to be staring at my base for prolonged amounts of time..
After this members can obviously download the replay and watch and usually if they are hacking its pretttty obvious what they are. they will then be added. RULES / WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN YOUR REPLAYS(Subject to change)
On October 26 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote: : Realm : North America Your name : Pandain Hacker Name : YOSHI Replay : Hmm... is there a place to upload replays without having to register somewhere? Description : This guy didn't do anything abnormal, at first. He was just doing a failed proxy. Then after it fails, and when its obvious im going to win, he pauses. Then iw ait a while, being nice and all. Then, when i try to unpause, it just leaves me with the screen "options" and "score screen". When I'm forced to press score screen, it says the game isn't recorded. Wth?
1) drophacks are not really provable based on one game (need a match history showing 100% win ratio, multiple dropped games, all games under 6 minutes, or something similar) 2) replay is required 3) character code is required
If you want this complaint to be taken seriously, you need to fix all three.
On October 25 2010 07:25 aidnai wrote: Hacker confirmation Ugulup + Show Spoiler +
On October 24 2010 02:08 CptThule wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : CptThule Hacker Name : Ugulup Replay : http://rapidshare.com/files/426742425/cheater.SC2Replay Description : Its a TvP match,i was doing the iechoic build,and he knew exactly when my medvac would reach his base and at what angle. He then started chasing it around the map even thought he couldnt normally know where my medvac was.(his observer was with his army) Obvious things to note : After watching the replay from his point of view,i noticed him looking at my base throught the fog of war multiple times. The medvac chase was pretty funny thought,and i still managed to drop him.:p
He later told me this was a smurf account and that his previous account(top diamond ranked)was banned due to complains about spamming/flaming(yeah right..)
Yay first post! So yeah, this does look like maphacks. The more damning evidence is the frequent looks through the fog... In the early game, your hacker does a great job reacting to the minimap and not constantly looking through the fog, but by 15 minutes, he seems to give up on that and just looks.
5:30 looking at base 13:12 looking at army in fog 16:00 finds the dropship 16:18 looks at MM force under fog 16:38 looking at MM again 18:36 looks at marine controlling XNT several times from 16:00 to 20:00 looking at army at terran nat 20:30 inspects entire terran army/base 23:10 more inspection of the army/nat
so yeah, after 16 minutes or so he is constantly looking at your base, nat, and army under fog.
Good job beating him though! btw, please please make sure you add the character code to your post.
On October 07 2010 17:22 arb wrote: All replays from pages 1-8 are added, ill try to get to the ones here later
Also, take ZOMGtossrush as a warning, dont post obviously fake replays in this thread, one is bad but posting what 5? times is just stupid.
Also as drophacks are hard to confirm with the fact that bnet 2.0 is kinda..shitty, try to avoid posting those aswell, unless they are mapping or somethinglike that(basically idk how you would prove them)
for the record, i have only posted suspecting 3 players, and this is after i have about 1200 1v1 games.
Thanks for all the ppl who said i posted 5 and was constantly posting, got a ban because you didn't get your facts straight :/
This thread needs to be edited. So that there is some sort of guidelines of what is suscipion, and what isn't. Because there is not set rules of what can/can't be posted. I saw a guy looking through the fog of war at the start of the round, and i suspected. Apparently I was incorrect suspecting maphacks using that as evidence.
Mods, maybe you can discuss more clearly what is accepted for posts so I don't get confused again.
You accused KeepSeven twice, total of four accusations. And every single one of your accusations was completely unfounded, not even suspicious. And you had several silly defensive posts about your accusations, one of which you got warned for.
What is truly ironic, is that you now accuse the reviewers in this thread of being the reason you got banned. You got banned for what is essentially libel, false accusations and slander, and you respond by coming back to this thread and accusing even more.
You need to accept the fact that you get outplayed sometimes, and that is was your own fault you got banned. You are the only person who fails to see it that way, so either accept the facts or else decide that this thread is not the right place to solve your 'hacker problems'.
All i did was post that I thought ppl were hacking. Isn't that what this thread is for? I can be wrong or right, but i had suspicion. Maybe my suspicion weren't solid enough, in which you can tell me so. As i suggested, there should be some sort of basic guidelines for what is possible evidence for hacking.
That is all.
When 3-4 posters are(implying) saying I am spamming this thread with all of my loses and start attacking me that I can't handle loses, its pretty fucking demeaning. You don't know me. Why would you take things to a personal level?
Like i was trying to defend myself, pre-ban. I have well over 1000 games played. I think its reasonable to think that of those 1k plus games someone might be hacking. And clearly with my now 600+ loses, i don't rage and just post every lose on this thread like you are trying to convince ppl i do.
I never have/tried to "fuck with this thread" as the mods claim I have tried. I just have some replays where ppl look through the fog. If there are any more clearcut ways to detect hackers, i would love to know, honestly, hence the request for a more indepth OP. Because even if i meet a player who stares at my base more than his own, and want to post that, I am afraid to because in my experience, its "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban."
I love tl, and the mods, but I think some of the users are simply immature(like you). And when these users throw personal insults me for my suspiciousness, its pretty bm. I don't see other ppl on this thread get chastised for "getting it wrong," as so many ppl/mods have done to me.
Can't we all just get along?
I would like to get along. That's why I did my absolute best not to use insults or demeaning language.
The issue is not that everyone in this thread decided "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban." The issue is that there needs to be some evidence, any evidence at all of hacking in the replays you submit. If you are genuinely unable to see that your hacking reports were frivolous, I suggest you take a look at replays of confirmed hackers (there are plenty in this thread) to get a feel for it.
How about instead of responding we keep read the OP, and keep talk on replays and not on his false accusations(which i dont particularly care about) and ill probably update this after i get back from work tonight,(by tonight i mean in 13 hours ~_~)
However, if you want to come up with a list of things not to submit(for replays that are clearly false) like you suggested earlier that would be great!
Aye aye, cap'n. (actually it was zomgtossrush that suggested a list of what not to submit, I think it should be obvious, but w/e).
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move)
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though.
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there.
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.)
Weak evidence for hacks (i.e. not enough evidence by themselves):
Proxying the correct location without scouting.
Anticipating drops/muta timing/DT's/VR's/backstabs etc. Some people just take these things into account in their normal build order.
Unit composition/blind counters. It could very easily be dumb luck that your opponent went VR's without scouting when you went pure marauder. Or whatever.
One or two glances at your main under fog. Everyone does this normally (at least I do), to remember what building they scouted, or to send a scout, or to feel more confident about the map/walloff position/whatever. If you're on a 4 player map and your opponent only looks at your main (before scouting), then that's evidence, but occasionally glancing can be normal too.
Not evidence for hacks:
Losing to someone with lower APM
Getting dropped by b.net when you were winning
Perfect timing with a push. A hallmark of high level play is well timed pushes, catching you when you are teching or expanding and are vulnerable. By itself this is not evidence.
(I'm not trying to piss you off by using you as an example, zomgtossrush, I just want to make it explicit that the sort of thing you used for those replays is not even weak evidence of hacks).
If your replay doesn't contain some hard evidence, don't start slandering the player who beat you. Even if a replay contained every single piece of 'weak' evidence I listed, I wouldn't consider that to be enough evidence to put the player on the confirmed hacker list. Suspicious, yes, but not confirmable. (maybe with multiple replays..dunno)
The point of this thread is not to discuss what is and what isn't evidence of hacking, so please don't start replying to this with your own ideas. If Arb or any mods have a problem with my standards for evidence, I will be happy to change this list (I'm just a random guy afterall). If anyone else has a issue, PM me and I'll consider what you say. Lets keep this thread for its original purpose--reporting hackers.
List of Known/confirmed Hackers
North America [CONFIRMED]Hacker Name : Gtoo Replay : http://www.replayladder.com/site/download/745 :Basically constantly looking at the other guys base without vision, stopping things without knowing they were coming, defending shit he never even scouted..
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name : Phenomena.808 Replay : http://www.dtguilds.com/luxx/Phenomena.SC2Replay :Never scouted initially, but looks at my natural expansion before attacking. Notices scouting units, and moves units preemptively to kill them. Looks at my bases various times without sending unit commands.
[CONFIRMED] Hacker Name: originalname Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=148290 Description: originalname uses maphacking so blatantly we notice it while playing the game Obvious things to note : - Microing his reapers in response to our high-ground maneuvers - Repeated, quite long, views of our base to see tech - Watching our troop movements
[CONFIRMED] Hacker Name : Artanis Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/79694-1v1-terran-steppes-of-war Description :I'd agree that Artanis is most likely map hacking, he frequently moves his camera to his opponent's base, before scouting it a single time (moving his camera a few times is understandable if he forgot which buildings he saw), but he also looks at his opponent's natural and choke quite frequently. (Never used a single scan, which might not matter, but points toward suspicion)
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name : Ltqi Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76904-1v1-protoss-zerg-xelnaga-caverns Description : Constantly looking at my base and units through the fog of war. Unit movement to intercept units that were not yet visible. No scouting whatsoever. Even his first overlord ends up lost on the side of the map.
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name :Kravren Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76875-2v2-terran-protoss-tarsonis-assault Description : My friend EdWreck and I were 2v2-ing Kravren and his partner when his partner DCs. Most of the match Kravren uses both armies to mass marines and try to push. He takes out an expo and proxy pylon very easily and upon inspection of the replay you see he looks at seemingly nothing on the map a lot or pans over our base a lot, especially mine since he never attacks me at all.
This one is really obvious, the banshee defense and the random a click to the hidden expo aswell ast he proxy pylon which he looks at at the start make this pretty obvious
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name : Jaggar Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/56275-2v2-terran-protoss-zerg-twilight-fortress Description : Obviously maphacking. He looks through fog and never scouts. He follows around my scouting lings and calls out my partners Vikings w/o scout. lols @ him talking trash and still losing because he spammed Void Rays.
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name : ssamjang.390 Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87293-1v1-terran-zerg-blistering-sands#rd:undefined;markup Description : 5:18 a zergling scout comes out of the zerg nat, four marines stop shooting rocks and instantly a-move at the ling. They go back to the rocks, leaving no plausible reason for the foray (other than seeing the ling). 6:20 a ling scout moves out along a northern path. Marines which are moving towards the barracks rally point southerly again react without vision. The marines do not take a watchtower or do anything to justify having pulled them off the rally point.
[CONFIRMED]Hacker: ggmylife Replay:http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/6/29/97013//Jungle%20Basin%20(10)suspect%20maphack.SC2Replay Description: Looks repeatedly at my base through the fog of war, never scouts the entire game. Follows my troop movements and where I'm expanding through the fog, and reacts appropriately. Some key things: At 6:53 he looks at lings going up the right side to kill the rocks, and at around 7:15 he sends guys to kill the lings at the rocks, but at 7:21 he looks at my roaches coming up the middle through the fog, and tells his guys to come back. At 11:26, he moves his army to the middle of the map, probably to expand, but looks at my mutas through the fog, and moves his guys back to his natural to defend, even warping in stalkers at the natural without ever seeing the mutas. At 11:37, he looks through the fog at where I just started my 3rd, and sends guys to kill it. At 14:30, I try to take the 3rd again, and he looks at it through the fog and again sends guys to kill it.
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name : PHAGGIO (his record was 6-0 and he was Platinum as of Nov 18, 2010) Replay : http://www.battlereports.com/vegas/PHAGGIO_MapHacker.SC2Replay Description : Repeatedly "looks" at my units through the fog of war, most blatant was him sending 2 stalkers to kill an overseer out of his vision (he gets to my nydus just as start spawning it), and the VERY blatant clicking on the mini-map to look at my 2nd nydus worm that I had spawned in the middle of nowhere on Scrap Station.
Just watch his point of view starting at about 9:10, its obvious during the 1st attempted nydus, and the 2nd nydus (where he clicks on the nydus in the middle of nowhere in the fog of war).
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Names: Zeratul .839, Artanis .498 Replay : http://replayfu.com/r/K1fMkg Description : At about 5:00, Purple moved the camera to the proxy pylon without vision. Teal also moved the camera at the fog of war where the proxy was at various times. At about 8:15, there was a ping to the stalkers about to move in without vision.
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name : Bagelz Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?6n2aqv00n8h9b0o Description : strange? overlord kills and blatantly obvious check of the opponents choke while doing an attack(he has units running out at this time)
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Names : MagikStick .973, LannyBarbie .776 Replay : http://replayfu.com/r/XpGF5c Description : constant fog of war looking
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name : JSlippery Replay : http://replayfu.com/download/4bPKR Description : never scouts once, yet still manages to rally a warp prism to the correct base and warp in units with it!
[CONFIRMED] Hacker Name : Tsubasa Replay : [url blocked] Description : Stares at fog of war randomly and all that, again pretty obvious
[CONFIRMED] Hacker Name : Ugulup Replay : http://rapidshare.com/files/426742425/cheater.SC2Replay Description : 5:30 looking at base 13:12 looking at army in fog 16:00 finds the dropship 16:18 looks at MM force under fog 16:38 looking at MM again 18:36 looks at marine controlling XNT several times from 16:00 to 20:00 looking at army at terran nat 20:30 inspects entire terran army/base 23:10 more inspection of the army/nat
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name :zionteck Replay :http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=163817 Description : Pretty obvious maphack usage,you dont have to watch the whole 33 minute game. First funny moment is at 5:33 when he zooms in to check if my probe at the xel naga tower is feeling bored
[CONFIRMED]Hacker name: Allin Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82900-1v1-terran-protoss-xelnaga-caverns Description: Frequent looking at base through fog of war mainly, builds an observer but doesn't seem interested in poking around my base with it. Intercepts two instances of drops/harass without scouting it as well. Also picks units through the FoW
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Name : zealot Replay : download at 4shared Description :http://www.4shared.com/file/Y29n6x_4/20100923-09_PvP__l_.html Blind proxy cannons, FoW staring, it was just pretty obvious along with zero scouting
On September 09 2010 02:30 ZlaSHeR wrote: Theres gonna be so much false reporting here I bet, if the example description is "he built turrets for something he didn't scout" lol.
If people fuck with this thread then they're taking a trip to disneyland
On September 09 2010 02:32 JWD wrote: Frivolous reports will be cause for warn/ban. Please keep this thread civil and reasonable people!
I was kinda hoping this would be a topic where 1337 TL hackers would share their latest exploits etc. Almost made me want to make this badass illustration for a banner... but I think that the current one will suffice for this cause lol.
On September 08 2010 23:54 Xeofreestyler wrote: I was kinda hoping this would be a topic where 1337 TL hackers would share their latest exploits etc. Almost made me want to make this badass illustration for a banner... but I think that the current one will suffice for this cause lol.
Perhaps sharing exploits and such wouldnt be such a bad idea either?
On September 09 2010 02:30 ZlaSHeR wrote: Theres gonna be so much false reporting here I bet, if the example description is "he built turrets for something he didn't scout" lol.
Haha, I think I'm going to go check a replay of a Terran I faced the other day now :x
On September 09 2010 02:30 ZlaSHeR wrote: Theres gonna be so much false reporting here I bet, if the example description is "he built turrets for something he didn't scout" lol.
However most maphackers wont expect to watcht he replay, and you can usually see them randomly looking at your base or something, and anything ridiculously obvious as false would be like said above case for a warning/ban
Okay ill admit, theres cases for people being oversafe, but theres always more than just random turrets or something that show someone is hacking like i said above
On September 09 2010 02:34 myopia wrote: maybe reports shouldn't be added to the OP until they can be confirmed?
Until more than the person who posted it agrees on it being a maphack, or any other form of hacking i won't add it to the OP
On September 09 2010 02:30 ZlaSHeR wrote: Theres gonna be so much false reporting here I bet, if the example description is "he built turrets for something he didn't scout" lol.
If people fuck with this thread then they're taking a trip to disneyland
You should probably set up some rules in the op along the lines of the sfw picture thread, or even the small vod thread. Thread might go downhill fast when arguments flare up...
On September 09 2010 02:56 Monsen wrote: You should probably set up some rules in the op along the lines of the sfw picture thread, or even the small vod thread. Thread might go downhill fast when arguments flare up...
Ive edited the mod warnings into the OP, ill add another rule about arguments etc in a moment
This ban list isn't really going to work, and what purpose will it serve? not like they can't play on ladder. The false reports is going to take so much man power to sort out especially when someone's standard BO might contain a turret in case of DT back stab. If he was incorrectly added, how does he prove it?
I believe it will be pretty damn obvious when we spot a hacker in a replay. Why dont we all stop speculating about how this thread is going to fail and blah blah, and just try it out? When there is a hump, it will be discussed and solved. There is alot of mmanpower on this website..
On September 09 2010 03:10 aka_star wrote: This ban list isn't really going to work, and what purpose will it serve? not like they can't play on ladder. The false reports is going to take so much man power to sort out especially when someone's standard BO might contain a turret in case of DT back stab. If he was incorrectly added, how does he prove it?
Well it wil give you a warning if youre playing a known hacker, in which case you could continue to play it out knowing youre at a disadvantage or leave or something, i mean yeah theres the occasional star sense about scouting something or whatever, but watching the replay will show you more than what you can gather from playing said game, especially from their vision.
And anyone submitting completely false reps will be given the ban hammer like the mods above have said
Gateway: North American Your name : ReconNine Hacker Name : Gtoo Replay : http://www.replayladder.com/site/download/745 Description : Fucker intercepted all of my all of my drops so I was suspicious. Look at his first person view and you can CLEARLY see he map hacks. He was really chatty ^^;; CONFIRMED
North American Server Your name : Muul Hacker Name : EvilAcolyte Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/75870-1v1-protoss-zerg-xelnaga-caverns Description : Zerg player drops a nydus worm in my base, without having vision. Can be seen in replay at 9:38. Before and after that he also spends some time looking at the fog of war over my base, but the nydus is obvious proof.
On September 09 2010 07:02 zomgtossrush wrote: can players who are EXTREMLY bm be added to this too? Such as players who fly cc's to prolong games?
This is specifically a hacker database and there are probably thousands or millions of people who do what you are describing at least some of the time... so I suggest we keep that separate.
Perhaps we can have people watch reps and give feedback? i obviously wont be able to do this all the time. So if any of you guys can watch them and then confirm/point stuff out for replays that would be a huge help
I think in order to be added to the first post, we need multiple people to watch the replay and give their opinions. Over time a team of those people who have good judgement can be formed as the arbiters (lol) of the thread.
In the end I don't think these threads serve much purpose, but it is nice to have a thread to send people to when they make their daily complaint in the SC2 section.
Maybe we can update how many of them get banned by Blizzard if they ever take action
On September 09 2010 08:10 Manifesto7 wrote: I think in order to be added to the first post, we need multiple people to watch the replay and give their opinions. Over time a team of those people who have good judgement can be formed as the arbiters (lol) of the thread.
In the end I don't think these threads serve much purpose, but it is nice to have a thread to send people to when they make their daily complaint in the SC2 section.
Maybe we can update how many of them get banned by Blizzard if they ever take action
Well i watched 2 of the reps posted, my thoughts are Gtoo/EvilAcolyte 100% hacks, Gtoo pretty obvious, i didnt even need to finish watching the game to see that, constant looking at his base making bunkers for things he didnt scout, etc.
Acolyte actually did some scouting with his ovie, but the nydus worm was a dead giveaway, aswell as after eh constantly looked at the other guys base just randomly staring at it for liek 10 seconds at a time.
Yes perhaps a group of people to look at the reps would be nice, ill most def be one. EDIT : id like to hope with this supposed to be the next competitive game they decide to take action and ban all this trash, not doign so is just ugh.
On September 09 2010 02:30 ZlaSHeR wrote: Theres gonna be so much false reporting here I bet, if the example description is "he built turrets for something he didn't scout" lol.
If people fuck with this thread then they're taking a trip to disneyland
Lol yeah, I mean I understand when people randomly stare at fog of war or zoom around bases and naturals or bring a 150 army directly to a hidden expo, or scan on top of an obs/dt that wasn't even on the screen, thats all understandable I just think, and hope, that the OP's example might update so that it doesn't have missile turret built lol, I always build a missile turret TvZ after a certain period of time during my reaper harass because I know a spire will be going up, its just standard.
On September 09 2010 02:30 ZlaSHeR wrote: Theres gonna be so much false reporting here I bet, if the example description is "he built turrets for something he didn't scout" lol.
If people fuck with this thread then they're taking a trip to disneyland
Lol yeah, I mean I understand when people randomly stare at fog of war or zoom around bases and naturals or bring a 150 army directly to a hidden expo, or scan on top of an obs/dt that wasn't even on the screen, thats all understandable I just think, and hope, that the OP's example might update so that it doesn't have missile turret built lol, I always build a missile turret TvZ after a certain period of time during my reaper harass because I know a spire will be going up, its just standard.
Ive seen star sense or just pure luck with the missile turret, i changed it to use your examples.
Day9's had multiple dailys on knowing the timings of zergs getting out their mutas on certain builds, you don't necessarily need to scout something to act with caution, but thanks for the inpute :D hope this database works out well
Shouldn't this thread also include information on how to report hackers to Blizzard?
Haven't played a hacker, but find it interesting so looked around and in this thread the original post was edited by a mod to say
*Please report any possible cheats or hacks to hacks@blizzard.com so that they can be properly investigated. We do a thorough investigation before taking action which may sometimes take some time. Please refrain from posting these sorts of things on the forums. Thanks- Nethaera
Description : Never scouted initially, but looks at my natural expansion before attacking. Notices scouting units, and moves units preemptively to kill them. Looks at my bases various times without sending unit commands.
Obvious things to note : 3:50 - I sent a zergling to scout up his ramp, he noticed the zergling and moves his marine preemptively to attack it. 6:10 - Pans camera over my expansion. He had no knowledge of where my base was up to this point, but yet looked. 7:00 - I sent an overlord to scout his base from the west, he moves his marines north preemptively before he has vision of it. 10:40 - I sent an infestor to FG his idle army, he preemptively moves toward to attack.
Your name : KingPhilip Hacker Name : GearBox Replay : http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=147598 Description : I am the protoss player KingPhilip playing against GearBox in a diamond league ladder match on Delta Quadrant. The problem that I faced was that he map hacked. He automatically sent his 7th scv to my natural and built a barracks in an attempt to marauder/bunker rush me. Although I could have handled the situation better, I was shocked that I was getting cheesed on a 4 player map so early and when he didn't scout me. I can go on and on about it, but I will let you peeps see for yourself the bs that I faced.
I played this match around 1:25 am PST, Gear box is ranked 7 on his division "FELD KILO" with 25 wins and 14 loses with 595 points. Obvious things to note : GearBox map hacks He had no indication that I was at that area, but build a barracks at my natural constantly looked at my main base even though there was a fog of war.
On September 09 2010 18:27 KingPhilip wrote: Your name : KingPhilip Hacker Name : GearBox Replay : http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=147598 Description : I am the protoss player KingPhilip playing against GearBox in a diamond league ladder match on Delta Quadrant. The problem that I faced was that he map hacked. He automatically sent his 7th scv to my natural and built a barracks in an attempt to marauder/bunker rush me. Although I could have handled the situation better, I was shocked that I was getting cheesed on a 4 player map so early and when he didn't scout me. I can go on and on about it, but I will let you peeps see for yourself the bs that I faced.
I played this match around 1:25 am PST, Gear box is ranked 7 on his division "FELD KILO" with 25 wins and 14 loses with 595 points. Obvious things to note : GearBox map hacks He had no indication that I was at that area, but build a barracks at my natural constantly looked at my main base even though there was a fog of war.
I've watched the replay and agree. Was skeptical that it was just lucky, but the dude spends 20% of his time just checking out P's base through the FoW. Very obvious maphack.
Description : Never scouted initially, but looks at my natural expansion before attacking. Notices scouting units, and moves units preemptively to kill them. Looks at my bases various times without sending unit commands.
Obvious things to note : 3:50 - I sent a zergling to scout up his ramp, he noticed the zergling and moves his marine preemptively to attack it. 6:10 - Pans camera over my expansion. He had no knowledge of where my base was up to this point, but yet looked. 7:00 - I sent an overlord to scout his base from the west, he moves his marines north preemptively before he has vision of it. 10:40 - I sent an infestor to FG his idle army, he preemptively moves toward to attack.
Last edit: 2010-09-09 12:09:30
3:50 and 6:10 are totally negligible. First could've been as simple as repositioning for better depot coverage and 6:10 was so fleeting it's hard to consider it. The Overlord at 7:00 however was extremely suspicious, and his attack with zero scouting makes me certain this is a maphack. At first glance, I assumed he was simply moving out during the infestor snipe and got lucky. He did however move straight toward it through the FoW and proceeded to stay planted. Without a doubt to me however, his maphack is simply obivous from his attack with a complete lack of knowledge. I'd be careful to not cry wolf too hard over the small things like 3:50 and 6:10
I'm not here to report anything, but keep in mind that the character code might be a good addition to the name of the hacker cheater (the guy above me is right, people use "hacker" very wrongly nowadays). Otherwise if someone with a more common name hacks, maybe he fellow same-named guys will get heat without even knowing why because someone saw the name here.
Description : Never scouted initially, but looks at my natural expansion before attacking. Notices scouting units, and moves units preemptively to kill them. Looks at my bases various times without sending unit commands.
Obvious things to note : 3:50 - I sent a zergling to scout up his ramp, he noticed the zergling and moves his marine preemptively to attack it. 6:10 - Pans camera over my expansion. He had no knowledge of where my base was up to this point, but yet looked. 7:00 - I sent an overlord to scout his base from the west, he moves his marines north preemptively before he has vision of it. 10:40 - I sent an infestor to FG his idle army, he preemptively moves toward to attack.
I completely agree that phenomena.808 is in fact map hacking there are several incriminating points throughout the replay, but none more so than at 3:50 when he looks at complete fog on his map which happened to be directly over a single enemy zergling. he then quickly adjusts his marine's positioning to better deal with the incoming lone zergling.
Description : Never scouted initially, but looks at my natural expansion before attacking. Notices scouting units, and moves units preemptively to kill them. Looks at my bases various times without sending unit commands.
Obvious things to note : 3:50 - I sent a zergling to scout up his ramp, he noticed the zergling and moves his marine preemptively to attack it. 6:10 - Pans camera over my expansion. He had no knowledge of where my base was up to this point, but yet looked. 7:00 - I sent an overlord to scout his base from the west, he moves his marines north preemptively before he has vision of it. 10:40 - I sent an infestor to FG his idle army, he preemptively moves toward to attack.
Last edit: 2010-09-09 12:09:30
3:50 and 6:10 are totally negligible.
6:10 is negligible, but if you have the fp view on at more or less 3:55, when he pans to a random point on the map, and pause it, just click E to reveal full view, and you'll see that it is exactly over a zergling, and that he immediately reacts.
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On September 09 2010 18:27 KingPhilip wrote: Your name : KingPhilip Hacker Name : GearBox Replay : http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=147598 Description : I am the protoss player KingPhilip playing against GearBox in a diamond league ladder match on Delta Quadrant. The problem that I faced was that he map hacked. He automatically sent his 7th scv to my natural and built a barracks in an attempt to marauder/bunker rush me. Although I could have handled the situation better, I was shocked that I was getting cheesed on a 4 player map so early and when he didn't scout me. I can go on and on about it, but I will let you peeps see for yourself the bs that I faced.
I played this match around 1:25 am PST, Gear box is ranked 7 on his division "FELD KILO" with 25 wins and 14 loses with 595 points. Obvious things to note : GearBox map hacks He had no indication that I was at that area, but build a barracks at my natural constantly looked at my main base even though there was a fog of war.
On Europe Smurf and Cranberries are confirmed, 100% positive, hackers. Replays are available, but there really is no doubt as to these two being cheaters.
On September 09 2010 07:02 zomgtossrush wrote: can players who are EXTREMLY bm be added to this too? Such as players who fly cc's to prolong games?
This is specifically a hacker database and there are probably thousands or millions of people who do what you are describing at least some of the time... so I suggest we keep that separate.
Being a douche and actually cheating are completely seperate things. Plus I don't think that BM is cause for bans/warnings.
On September 09 2010 08:58 ZlaSHeR wrote: Day9's had multiple dailys on knowing the timings of zergs getting out their mutas on certain builds, you don't necessarily need to scout something to act with caution, but thanks for the inpute :D hope this database works out well
completely right about the timings. That is why I am affraid that this will turn into a "he made turrets right before my muta came he hacks" thread. Or anything like that really.
On September 09 2010 18:27 KingPhilip wrote: Your name : KingPhilip Hacker Name : GearBox Replay : http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=147598 Description : I am the protoss player KingPhilip playing against GearBox in a diamond league ladder match on Delta Quadrant. The problem that I faced was that he map hacked. He automatically sent his 7th scv to my natural and built a barracks in an attempt to marauder/bunker rush me. Although I could have handled the situation better, I was shocked that I was getting cheesed on a 4 player map so early and when he didn't scout me. I can go on and on about it, but I will let you peeps see for yourself the bs that I faced.
I played this match around 1:25 am PST, Gear box is ranked 7 on his division "FELD KILO" with 25 wins and 14 loses with 595 points. Obvious things to note : GearBox map hacks He had no indication that I was at that area, but build a barracks at my natural constantly looked at my main base even though there was a fog of war.
-Gearbox
The hacker had looked at enemy base through fog or war, before placing a proxy rax (without scouting), most likely a map hacker.
Description : Never scouted initially, but looks at my natural expansion before attacking. Notices scouting units, and moves units preemptively to kill them. Looks at my bases various times without sending unit commands.
Obvious things to note : 3:50 - I sent a zergling to scout up his ramp, he noticed the zergling and moves his marine preemptively to attack it. 6:10 - Pans camera over my expansion. He had no knowledge of where my base was up to this point, but yet looked. 7:00 - I sent an overlord to scout his base from the west, he moves his marines north preemptively before he has vision of it. 10:40 - I sent an infestor to FG his idle army, he preemptively moves toward to attack.
-Phenomena
The hacker obviously looks around enemy main and natural multiple times during the game, some speculative occurrences regarding enemy scouting units, but his camera control is definitely conclusive.
Your name : sooch Hacker Name : DocHoliday Realm: NA Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76462-1v1-terran-zerg-metalopolis Description : ZvT on metalopolis, I was suspicious when his hellion harass always seemed to avoid my roach ball without him scanning or anything like that, rewatched replay to confirm cheats Obvious things to note : Looks at my base in fog numerous times without sending a unit there (this is the main thing) Around 22min, he looks at mutalisks in fog at his 3rd expo (6 oclock)
Your name : Fortune Hacker Name : Pinouchon Replay : http://fileza.com/i/1eyr24/Pinouchon_hacker.SC2Replay Description : PvT Pinouchon proxy rax reapers me on Kulas Ravine without scouting. He is bottom left I am bottom right. He sends his scv directly to right gold expo, with the barracks closer to the bottom right than top right. He could have simply "guessed" where to proxy and take a chance, however that seems extremely unlikely given his movement patterns. I am still posting it here though because there might be others that experience a similar incident with the same individual.
Your name : Fortune Hacker Name : Pinouchon Replay : http://fileza.com/i/1eyr24/Pinouchon_hacker.SC2Replay Description : PvT Pinouchon proxy rax reapers me on Kulas Ravine without scouting. He is bottom left I am bottom right. He sends his scv directly to right gold expo, with the barracks closer to the bottom right than top right. He could have simply "guessed" where to proxy and take a chance, however that seems extremely unlikely given his movement patterns. I am still posting it here though because there might be others that experience a similar incident with the same individual.
Same guy hit me once (if you're on the US server) with a bunker rush without scouting. I ruled out hacking and thought he was lucky, and looked at his match history to see that he bunker rushed or proxy reapered everyone. The name is very familiar-sounding.
On September 09 2010 18:27 KingPhilip wrote: Your name : KingPhilip Hacker Name : GearBox Replay : http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=147598 Description : I am the protoss player KingPhilip playing against GearBox in a diamond league ladder match on Delta Quadrant. The problem that I faced was that he map hacked. He automatically sent his 7th scv to my natural and built a barracks in an attempt to marauder/bunker rush me. Although I could have handled the situation better, I was shocked that I was getting cheesed on a 4 player map so early and when he didn't scout me. I can go on and on about it, but I will let you peeps see for yourself the bs that I faced.
I played this match around 1:25 am PST, Gear box is ranked 7 on his division "FELD KILO" with 25 wins and 14 loses with 595 points. Obvious things to note : GearBox map hacks He had no indication that I was at that area, but build a barracks at my natural constantly looked at my main base even though there was a fog of war.
I've watched the replay and agree. Was skeptical that it was just lucky, but the dude spends 20% of his time just checking out P's base through the FoW. Very obvious maphack.
Description : Never scouted initially, but looks at my natural expansion before attacking. Notices scouting units, and moves units preemptively to kill them. Looks at my bases various times without sending unit commands.
Obvious things to note : 3:50 - I sent a zergling to scout up his ramp, he noticed the zergling and moves his marine preemptively to attack it. 6:10 - Pans camera over my expansion. He had no knowledge of where my base was up to this point, but yet looked. 7:00 - I sent an overlord to scout his base from the west, he moves his marines north preemptively before he has vision of it. 10:40 - I sent an infestor to FG his idle army, he preemptively moves toward to attack.
Last edit: 2010-09-09 12:09:30
3:50 and 6:10 are totally negligible. First could've been as simple as repositioning for better depot coverage and 6:10 was so fleeting it's hard to consider it. The Overlord at 7:00 however was extremely suspicious, and his attack with zero scouting makes me certain this is a maphack. At first glance, I assumed he was simply moving out during the infestor snipe and got lucky. He did however move straight toward it through the FoW and proceeded to stay planted. Without a doubt to me however, his maphack is simply obivous from his attack with a complete lack of knowledge. I'd be careful to not cry wolf too hard over the small things like 3:50 and 6:10
What realms are these on? i assume United States but never can be sure.. (will add when confirmed for sure)
EDIT : realm added to format in OP
On September 09 2010 23:10 HalfAmazing wrote: On Europe Smurf and Cranberries are confirmed, 100% positive, hackers. Replays are available, but there really is no doubt as to these two being cheaters.
Could I get a replay? I dont want to add anyone to the OP without a replay to back it up
On September 10 2010 00:09 FortuneSyn wrote:
Your name : Fortune Hacker Name : Pinouchon Replay : http://fileza.com/i/1eyr24/Pinouchon_hacker.SC2Replay Description : PvT Pinouchon proxy rax reapers me on Kulas Ravine without scouting. He is bottom left I am bottom right. He sends his scv directly to right gold expo, with the barracks closer to the bottom right than top right. He could have simply "guessed" where to proxy and take a chance, however that seems extremely unlikely given his movement patterns. I am still posting it here though because there might be others that experience a similar incident with the same individual.
I think this could be confirmed since usually it hink youd make the barracks on one of the raised platforms..
but ist here any staring at the fog of war or is this just a dumb luck replay? (ill watch soon to see though)
Your name : Fortune Hacker Name : Pinouchon Replay : http://fileza.com/i/1eyr24/Pinouchon_hacker.SC2Replay Description : PvT Pinouchon proxy rax reapers me on Kulas Ravine without scouting. He is bottom left I am bottom right. He sends his scv directly to right gold expo, with the barracks closer to the bottom right than top right. He could have simply "guessed" where to proxy and take a chance, however that seems extremely unlikely given his movement patterns. I am still posting it here though because there might be others that experience a similar incident with the same individual.
Same guy hit me once (if you're on the US server) with a bunker rush without scouting. I ruled out hacking and thought he was lucky, and looked at his match history to see that he bunker rushed or proxy reapered everyone. The name is very familiar-sounding.
I am on EU server, maybe he has 2 accs? Weird that it's the same nick.
@ arb: I did not find any weird fog of war looking.
Your name : Fortune Hacker Name : Pinouchon Replay : http://fileza.com/i/1eyr24/Pinouchon_hacker.SC2Replay Description : PvT Pinouchon proxy rax reapers me on Kulas Ravine without scouting. He is bottom left I am bottom right. He sends his scv directly to right gold expo, with the barracks closer to the bottom right than top right. He could have simply "guessed" where to proxy and take a chance, however that seems extremely unlikely given his movement patterns. I am still posting it here though because there might be others that experience a similar incident with the same individual.
Same guy hit me once (if you're on the US server) with a bunker rush without scouting. I ruled out hacking and thought he was lucky, and looked at his match history to see that he bunker rushed or proxy reapered everyone. The name is very familiar-sounding.
I am on EU server, maybe he has 2 accs? Weird that it's the same nick.
@ arb: I did not find any weird fog of war looking.
did he rally right o your base or did he scout? or did he just glance over to your base without scouting.
if he scouted then i could prob count it as dumb luck,other wise its kinda fishy
Your name : Fortune Hacker Name : Pinouchon Replay : http://fileza.com/i/1eyr24/Pinouchon_hacker.SC2Replay Description : PvT Pinouchon proxy rax reapers me on Kulas Ravine without scouting. He is bottom left I am bottom right. He sends his scv directly to right gold expo, with the barracks closer to the bottom right than top right. He could have simply "guessed" where to proxy and take a chance, however that seems extremely unlikely given his movement patterns. I am still posting it here though because there might be others that experience a similar incident with the same individual.
Same guy hit me once (if you're on the US server) with a bunker rush without scouting. I ruled out hacking and thought he was lucky, and looked at his match history to see that he bunker rushed or proxy reapered everyone. The name is very familiar-sounding.
I am on EU server, maybe he has 2 accs? Weird that it's the same nick.
@ arb: I did not find any weird fog of war looking.
did he rally right o your base or did he scout? or did he just glance over to your base without scouting.
if he scouted then i could prob count it as dumb luck,other wise its kinda fishy
Maphacks these days have camera spoofing so even if someone's looking at your main you won't be able to tell from a replay.
Your name : Fortune Hacker Name : Pinouchon Replay : http://fileza.com/i/1eyr24/Pinouchon_hacker.SC2Replay Description : PvT Pinouchon proxy rax reapers me on Kulas Ravine without scouting. He is bottom left I am bottom right. He sends his scv directly to right gold expo, with the barracks closer to the bottom right than top right. He could have simply "guessed" where to proxy and take a chance, however that seems extremely unlikely given his movement patterns. I am still posting it here though because there might be others that experience a similar incident with the same individual.
Same guy hit me once (if you're on the US server) with a bunker rush without scouting. I ruled out hacking and thought he was lucky, and looked at his match history to see that he bunker rushed or proxy reapered everyone. The name is very familiar-sounding.
I am on EU server, maybe he has 2 accs? Weird that it's the same nick.
@ arb: I did not find any weird fog of war looking.
did he rally right o your base or did he scout? or did he just glance over to your base without scouting.
if he scouted then i could prob count it as dumb luck,other wise its kinda fishy
after building barracks he sent scv directly to my base.
Your name : Fortune Hacker Name : Pinouchon Replay : http://fileza.com/i/1eyr24/Pinouchon_hacker.SC2Replay Description : PvT Pinouchon proxy rax reapers me on Kulas Ravine without scouting. He is bottom left I am bottom right. He sends his scv directly to right gold expo, with the barracks closer to the bottom right than top right. He could have simply "guessed" where to proxy and take a chance, however that seems extremely unlikely given his movement patterns. I am still posting it here though because there might be others that experience a similar incident with the same individual.
Same guy hit me once (if you're on the US server) with a bunker rush without scouting. I ruled out hacking and thought he was lucky, and looked at his match history to see that he bunker rushed or proxy reapered everyone. The name is very familiar-sounding.
I am on EU server, maybe he has 2 accs? Weird that it's the same nick.
@ arb: I did not find any weird fog of war looking.
I have an EU account as well, but I feel fairly confident it was on the US server. Oh well; name is familiar for sure.
Realm : North America Your name : Will Hacker Name :Kravren Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76875-2v2-terran-protoss-tarsonis-assault Description : My friend EdWreck and I were 2v2-ing Kravren and his partner when his partner DCs. Most of the match Kravren uses both armies to mass marines and try to push. He takes out an expo and proxy pylon very easily and upon inspection of the replay you see he looks at seemingly nothing on the map a lot or pans over our base a lot, especially mine since he never attacks me at all.
Obvious things to note : 0:09 Early opponent base scan. Not too suspicious, may he is just looking around the map. 3:51 Sees my probe on its way to build a proxy pylon 4:12 Sees pylon being built and then destroys it. 6:54 Scans bases entrances to decide attack plan 12:39 Base scan again 14:10 Scans my friends hidden expo!!! And then attacks and destroys it!!! 18:54 Sees the banshees and moves marines in anticipation for the banshees.
Proxy'ing in a hidden location isn't always hacking, its called picking a spot people wont scout lol, once again I think it'll drive me insane when someones like HE SCOUTED CROSS POSITION FIRST AND BUILT MARAUDERS WHEN I WAS GOING ROACHES.
Realm : North America Your name : Back Hacker Name : Ltqi Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76904-1v1-protoss-zerg-xelnaga-caverns Description : Constantly looking at my base and units through the fog of war. Unit movement to intercept units that were not yet visible. No scouting whatsoever. Even his first overlord ends up lost on the side of the map. Obvious things to note : Whenever I make a new building, he will look at what it is through the fog a few seconds later.
Description : Looking at me through the fog of war, nothing special. It's a good thing he was awful and tried to pull some all-in 4rax marine push which I killed with lings, but its all good. I won anyway.
Obvious things to note : Looked at my base at the very beginning. Looked at my expansion when I put my hatchery up. Sent marines attack-moving to the destructible rocks with no scouting (Could be coincidental if not for previous mentions.) Sent marines to kill my ling on the Xel'Naga tower, only to pull back as soon as I start moving a ling force (from all the way in my base) towards the tower in defense.
Description : Never scouted initially, but looks at my natural expansion before attacking. Notices scouting units, and moves units preemptively to kill them. Looks at my bases various times without sending unit commands.
Obvious things to note : 3:50 - I sent a zergling to scout up his ramp, he noticed the zergling and moves his marine preemptively to attack it. 6:10 - Pans camera over my expansion. He had no knowledge of where my base was up to this point, but yet looked. 7:00 - I sent an overlord to scout his base from the west, he moves his marines north preemptively before he has vision of it. 10:40 - I sent an infestor to FG his idle army, he preemptively moves toward to attack.
I completely agree that phenomena.808 is in fact map hacking there are several incriminating points throughout the replay, but none more so than at 3:50 when he looks at complete fog on his map which happened to be directly over a single enemy zergling. he then quickly adjusts his marine's positioning to better deal with the incoming lone zergling.
Description : Never scouted initially, but looks at my natural expansion before attacking. Notices scouting units, and moves units preemptively to kill them. Looks at my bases various times without sending unit commands.
Obvious things to note : 3:50 - I sent a zergling to scout up his ramp, he noticed the zergling and moves his marine preemptively to attack it. 6:10 - Pans camera over my expansion. He had no knowledge of where my base was up to this point, but yet looked. 7:00 - I sent an overlord to scout his base from the west, he moves his marines north preemptively before he has vision of it. 10:40 - I sent an infestor to FG his idle army, he preemptively moves toward to attack.
Last edit: 2010-09-09 12:09:30
3:50 and 6:10 are totally negligible.
6:10 is negligible, but if you have the fp view on at more or less 3:55, when he pans to a random point on the map, and pause it, just click E to reveal full view, and you'll see that it is exactly over a zergling, and that he immediately reacts.
On September 09 2010 18:27 KingPhilip wrote: Your name : KingPhilip Hacker Name : GearBox Replay : http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=147598 Description : I am the protoss player KingPhilip playing against GearBox in a diamond league ladder match on Delta Quadrant. The problem that I faced was that he map hacked. He automatically sent his 7th scv to my natural and built a barracks in an attempt to marauder/bunker rush me. Although I could have handled the situation better, I was shocked that I was getting cheesed on a 4 player map so early and when he didn't scout me. I can go on and on about it, but I will let you peeps see for yourself the bs that I faced.
I played this match around 1:25 am PST, Gear box is ranked 7 on his division "FELD KILO" with 25 wins and 14 loses with 595 points. Obvious things to note : GearBox map hacks He had no indication that I was at that area, but build a barracks at my natural constantly looked at my main base even though there was a fog of war.
super obvious maphacker.
Added both of these to the OP, good work checking out the reps!
On September 10 2010 11:52 bumatlarge wrote: Anyone else feel the urge to randomly look at my opponents base for no reason at all? It's like staring into the sun...
the only time i ever looked at my opponents base through the Fog is after ive scouted to confirm what tech path they went if i managed to see a robo or whatever.. though they could obviously cancel it thats about the only time ill look at their base, unless moving in for a drop or something
Realm : North America Your name : Kyruel Hacker Name :HOB Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/77309-1v1-zerg-lost-temple Description : performed a 6 pool on lost temple with him at the 9 and me at the 12. normally in zvz you send overlord from 9 to 6 but he went right for the 12 and sent his 6 zerglings right there as well without scouting. he also constantly looks through the fog of war at my base and he also looks at my expo soon as i put it up at 2:36 through fog of war.
On September 11 2010 01:05 Kyruel wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Kyruel Hacker Name :HOB Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/77309-1v1-zerg-lost-temple Description : performed a 6 pool on lost temple with him at the 9 and me at the 12. normally in zvz you send overlord from 9 to 6 but he went right for the 12 and sent his 6 zerglings right there as well without scouting. he also constantly looks through the fog of war at my base and he also looks at my expo soon as i put it up at 2:36 through fog of war.
On September 11 2010 01:05 Kyruel wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Kyruel Hacker Name :HOB Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/77309-1v1-zerg-lost-temple Description : performed a 6 pool on lost temple with him at the 9 and me at the 12. normally in zvz you send overlord from 9 to 6 but he went right for the 12 and sent his 6 zerglings right there as well without scouting. he also constantly looks through the fog of war at my base and he also looks at my expo soon as i put it up at 2:36 through fog of war.
Definite map hack given the FPV.
added this to the OP
im not sure which replays i missed.. 2-3 from page 3 i believe but im not sure
Realm: North America Your name: Vanick Hacker Name: originalname Replay:http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=148290 Description: originalname uses maphacking so blatantly we notice it while playing the game Obvious things to note : - Microing his reapers in response to our high-ground maneuvers - Repeated, quite long, views of our base to see tech - Watching our troop movements - Moving marines to respond to an observer while it was still in shroud (debatable)
On September 12 2010 12:35 vanick wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Vanick Hacker Name: originalname Replay:http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=148290 Description: originalname uses maphacking so blatantly we notice it while playing the game Obvious things to note : - Microing his reapers in response to our high-ground maneuvers - Repeated, quite long, views of our base to see tech - Watching our troop movements - Moving marines to respond to an observer while it was still in shroud (debatable)
It was pretty hilarious actually. Super props to me being able to call him out on it in-game, and double hilarity points for him accusing us of being "god damn hackers".
On September 12 2010 12:35 vanick wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Vanick Hacker Name: originalname Replay:http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=148290 Description: originalname uses maphacking so blatantly we notice it while playing the game Obvious things to note : - Microing his reapers in response to our high-ground maneuvers - Repeated, quite long, views of our base to see tech - Watching our troop movements - Moving marines to respond to an observer while it was still in shroud (debatable)
It was pretty hilarious actually. Super props to me being able to call him out on it in-game, and double hilarity points for him accusing us of being "god damn hackers".
added to OP
also, could a mod please go through and mark off all the ones ive added? i know there isnt many pages but its tedious to look through every post to find ones i havent added
Realm: North America Your name: Vanick Hacker Name: DTank Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/79255-1v1-terran-protoss-metalopolis Description: So 90% of this game is fine and dandy, i dont scout his scv that sneaks by, but everything is explainable. I even cancel my dt tech, but i do it too fast so he knows i do that.
But what is interesting is that awhile after i delete my scouted my dt tech, he starts building turrets, around the edge of his base. Without ever scouting my switch to VRs. I have thought this all out and even asked him, why was his reasoning. No answer.
Then a bit later in the game he spends 2 scans, for the first time at my natural, which again, is perfectly explainable. But his 3rd scan later in the game he scans my main, when im starting to get carriers. Again, i'm not sure at that point in the game why you would scan my main in such a mid-late scenario.
If anyone can explain his reasoning with rationality, ill shut my mouth. And most of the game he doesn't do anything suspicious, but just because its not blatent doesnt mean its not happening.
On September 13 2010 09:47 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Vanick Hacker Name: DTank Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/79255-1v1-terran-protoss-metalopolis Description: So 90% of this game is fine and dandy, i dont scout his scv that sneaks by, but everything is explainable. I even cancel my dt tech, but i do it too fast so he knows i do that.
But what is interesting is that awhile after i delete my scouted my dt tech, he starts building turrets, around the edge of his base. Without ever scouting my switch to VRs. I have thought this all out and even asked him, why was his reasoning. No answer.
Then a bit later in the game he spends 2 scans, for the first time at my natural, which again, is perfectly explainable. But his 3rd scan later in the game he scans my main, when im starting to get carriers. Again, i'm not sure at that point in the game why you would scan my main in such a mid-late scenario.
If anyone can explain his reasoning with rationality, ill shut my mouth. And most of the game he doesn't do anything suspicious, but just because its not blatent doesnt mean its not happening.
Rationality behind turrets, maybe he's just being safe and expecting a dt drop or something..or he saw something thats kinda ehh, but id probably go with expecting a dt drop or some kind of fake out
i thought scanning the opponents base was common practice late game? i mean its not like you just randomly quit making tech or something. especially with quite a few orbitals you can easily afford a few scans
On September 13 2010 09:47 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Vanick Hacker Name: DTank Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/79255-1v1-terran-protoss-metalopolis Description: So 90% of this game is fine and dandy, i dont scout his scv that sneaks by, but everything is explainable. I even cancel my dt tech, but i do it too fast so he knows i do that.
But what is interesting is that awhile after i delete my scouted my dt tech, he starts building turrets, around the edge of his base. Without ever scouting my switch to VRs. I have thought this all out and even asked him, why was his reasoning. No answer.
Then a bit later in the game he spends 2 scans, for the first time at my natural, which again, is perfectly explainable. But his 3rd scan later in the game he scans my main, when im starting to get carriers. Again, i'm not sure at that point in the game why you would scan my main in such a mid-late scenario.
If anyone can explain his reasoning with rationality, ill shut my mouth. And most of the game he doesn't do anything suspicious, but just because its not blatent doesnt mean its not happening.
Rationality behind turrets, maybe he's just being safe and expecting a dt drop or something..or he saw something thats kinda ehh, but id probably go with expecting a dt drop or some kind of fake out
i thought scanning the opponents base was common practice late game? i mean its not like you just randomly quit making tech or something. especially with quite a few orbitals you can easily afford a few scans
Exactly. Scanning when you're unsure of what your opponent is doing is perfectly normal and so is making turrets when you're expecting DTs.
I do not think viewing the fog of war constitutes hacking.
The guy probably just forgot what he saw previously and needed to remind himself. I do that sometimes, too.
I do not think a fast, all-in strategy (say 4pool) on a map with multiple spawning point (say 4-players) constitutes hacking, either.
I have not done this on Starcraft before, but I have definitely done it for Warcraft 3 before. Here's why:
There was a period of time which I couldn't win against Night Elf (because I was noob). So, instead of playing a long, drawn-out game which will result in me losing anyways, I'd just do an all-in tower rush. If I guess the position of the Night Elf correctly, I'll have a good chance of winning (better than playing straight-up, anyways). If I guess wrong, I quit - there is no harm done.
Similarly, what *might* have happened there is that the guy is really bad at ZvT. So he thought, "heck, I can't win ZvT, so I will gamble by doing 4 pool even though I don't know where he is". He guessed right, you got owned, and now you are raging on this forum.
Alternatively, his girlfriend arrived as soon as the game began. He wanted to finish as quickly as possible, but did not want to just quit. So he 4pooled and guessed your position. He got lucky, and you got angry.
On September 13 2010 09:47 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Vanick Hacker Name: DTank Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/79255-1v1-terran-protoss-metalopolis Description: So 90% of this game is fine and dandy, i dont scout his scv that sneaks by, but everything is explainable. I even cancel my dt tech, but i do it too fast so he knows i do that.
But what is interesting is that awhile after i delete my scouted my dt tech, he starts building turrets, around the edge of his base. Without ever scouting my switch to VRs. I have thought this all out and even asked him, why was his reasoning. No answer.
Then a bit later in the game he spends 2 scans, for the first time at my natural, which again, is perfectly explainable. But his 3rd scan later in the game he scans my main, when im starting to get carriers. Again, i'm not sure at that point in the game why you would scan my main in such a mid-late scenario.
If anyone can explain his reasoning with rationality, ill shut my mouth. And most of the game he doesn't do anything suspicious, but just because its not blatent doesnt mean its not happening.
Rationality behind turrets, maybe he's just being safe and expecting a dt drop or something..or he saw something thats kinda ehh, but id probably go with expecting a dt drop or some kind of fake out
i thought scanning the opponents base was common practice late game? i mean its not like you just randomly quit making tech or something. especially with quite a few orbitals you can easily afford a few scans
Please don't even try to comment on strategy on this thread. This is infuriating me. Watch the replay or don't comment. He build 3 turrets WAY away from his main buildings, inbetween our bases(close pos meta). Any standard justification for trying to stop dt dropping wouldnt be to make 20 turrets around the edge of your base.
I am very close to the edge with ppl just commenting on this thread. In fact i don't even think players should be watching reps, only admins, since the level of most players are pretty low that have commented.
I am not trying to troll, but theorycrafting on this thread should almost lead to a temp ban. this isn't the place for strategy talk. Its a place to analyse replays to catch hackers, not to discuss potential timings.
His turrets came almost immediatly after my vrs were coming out. As in, if he were an actual good player, he would glance at the fog, and notcie, "o hey, he cancelled his dt tech, no way he can dt drop now."
But no, scrubby players are trying to theorycraft this guys defense.
Edi: Plus u don't need more than 1 turret to detect a dt, you need exactly 1-2 well placed ones, or 3 if you have a shitty base. Not 3 right next to each other, again please watching the damn replay before you comment.
On September 13 2010 09:57 Fly[DCT] wrote: I do not think viewing the fog of war constitutes hacking.
The guy probably just forgot what he saw previously and needed to remind himself. I do that sometimes, too.
I do not think a fast, all-in strategy (say 4pool) on a map with multiple spawning point (say 4-players) constitutes hacking, either.
I have not done this on Starcraft before, but I have definitely done it for Warcraft 3 before. Here's why:
There was a period of time which I couldn't win against Night Elf (because I was noob). So, instead of playing a long, drawn-out game which will result in me losing anyways, I'd just do an all-in tower rush. If I guess the position of the Night Elf correctly, I'll have a good chance of winning (better than playing straight-up, anyways). If I guess wrong, I quit - there is no harm done.
Similarly, what *might* have happened there is that the guy is really bad at ZvT. So he thought, "heck, I can't win ZvT, so I will gamble by doing 4 pool even though I don't know where he is". He guessed right, you got owned, and now you are raging on this forum.
Alternatively, his girlfriend arrived as soon as the game began. He wanted to finish as quickly as possible, but did not want to just quit. So he 4pooled and guessed your position. He got lucky, and you got angry.
sometimes viewing the fog of war may not mean hacking 100%, however some people do it to randomly stare at units they cant see(theres ALOT of reps in the thread about this) or look at their base without even scouting it, or something like that, randomly check their base later and make a correct counter to something they have no idea is coming
sure sometimes it can be just honestly reassurance of what you saw but sometimes its not, and when its not its ALOT more obvious
On September 13 2010 09:47 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Vanick Hacker Name: DTank Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/79255-1v1-terran-protoss-metalopolis Description: So 90% of this game is fine and dandy, i dont scout his scv that sneaks by, but everything is explainable. I even cancel my dt tech, but i do it too fast so he knows i do that.
But what is interesting is that awhile after i delete my scouted my dt tech, he starts building turrets, around the edge of his base. Without ever scouting my switch to VRs. I have thought this all out and even asked him, why was his reasoning. No answer.
Then a bit later in the game he spends 2 scans, for the first time at my natural, which again, is perfectly explainable. But his 3rd scan later in the game he scans my main, when im starting to get carriers. Again, i'm not sure at that point in the game why you would scan my main in such a mid-late scenario.
If anyone can explain his reasoning with rationality, ill shut my mouth. And most of the game he doesn't do anything suspicious, but just because its not blatent doesnt mean its not happening.
Rationality behind turrets, maybe he's just being safe and expecting a dt drop or something..or he saw something thats kinda ehh, but id probably go with expecting a dt drop or some kind of fake out
i thought scanning the opponents base was common practice late game? i mean its not like you just randomly quit making tech or something. especially with quite a few orbitals you can easily afford a few scans
Please don't even try to comment on strategy on this thread. This is infuriating me. Watch the replay or don't comment. He build 3 turrets WAY away from his main buildings, inbetween our bases(close pos meta). Any standard justification for trying to stop dt dropping wouldnt be to make 20 turrets around the edge of your base.
I am very close to the edge with ppl just commenting on this thread. In fact i don't even think players should be watching reps, only admins, since the level of most players are pretty low that have commented.
I am not trying to troll, but theorycrafting on this thread should almost lead to a temp ban. this isn't the place for strategy talk. Its a place to analyse replays to catch hackers, not to discuss potential timings.
His turrets came almost immediatly after my vrs were coming out. As in, if he were an actual good player, he would glance at the fog, and notcie, "o hey, he cancelled his dt tech, no way he can dt drop now."
But no, scrubby players are trying to theorycraft this guys defense.
Edi: Plus u don't need more than 1 turret to detect a dt, you need exactly 1-2 well placed ones, or 3 if you have a shitty base. Not 3 right next to each other, again please watching the damn replay before you comment.
Arb was referring to DT drops. As in shooting down warp prisms. Obviously he wasn't the best player, and he certainly didn't look through the fog to see the building cancel (does that even work?) so he would have had a definite reason to fear them. I don't think the attitude was necessary...
I watched the replay and I have to say your accusation is very flimsy. I went through the whole thing pausing and checking both his camera and the observers and not once did he look at your base or anything suspicious through the fog. Furthermore he made several blunders that should not have happened to even the most discreet map hacker, which I will point out below. I will try to address your accusations anyway though.
1. That he built turrets in a good position to blindly counter your void rays.
Once he scouted the Dark Shrine he built a turret at his choke (for detection.) He then built one right near his CC even though you had cancelled the shrine by this point, and then sent an SCV to build one in the smoke (I have seen numerous pros do this no matter what the situation so this is fine) He then started to Turret up the entire perimeter of his base by queuing up Turrets with SCVs (2 i think). This was before you even moved your voids around your base, and he did not once look at them through the fog. You could make an argument that he was watching them move on the minimap, but again, he built these initial turrets before you made any movements with them whatsoever. After you attacked, saw the turrets, and retreated, he proceeded to completely lock down that side of his base with turrets despite the fact that you were in the process of swinging around to the front of his base. After you attacked his barracks, and his response marines (which were out of position to defend harass), he emptied his bunkers and repelled your voids, then he finished turreting up his entire base. Again it needs to be said that he did not once look at your voids through the fog, and judging by his response to your harass, he wasn't looking at them on the minimap either.
2. Suspicious scans
He did scan your natural to find your army. He did this throughout the game which suggests it is part of his routine when playing. I think he only found significant troops on the first scan, and you hid your army multiple times and caught him off guard with flanks successfully at least once. The only reason they did not succeed was that his force of vikings was just to strong for protoss air at that point.
The scan on the main where he found your carriers looks mostly lucky to me. He scanned when you already had one carrier out. If he had scanned when you placed the fleet beacon you could argue that he saw the blip appear on the minimap and scanned to figure out what it was, but that is a flimsy argument, and shouldn't be considered proof for this thread unless that behavior can be demonstrated across multiple replays. Also, again, he did not look though the fog. As to why you would scan the main in such a situation? It was pretty common to randomly scan for carrier tech in lategame TvP in BW, but I don't play T in this game so I don't know what constitutes standard scanning practice. Perhaps he routinely gets beaten by sneaky tech switches? I fake phoenix scout terrans at random times solely for this reason. Either way it is not a sufficiently strong reason to label somebody a maphacker.
A few further things that point to him NOT having maphack on.
-He didn't find your third for a long time, even though he should have seen it on the minimap. He even saw probes maynarding that way in one of his scans and he still seemed to have missed it's existence.
-He tried blindly building a CC at his third despite the fact that you had a pylon and a stalker there. This led to a dead SCV and what looked like a failed cancel on the CC.
-He built his next batch of turrets (in response to your voids) completely out of position. They were on the border between your bases when he should have built them facing the center of the map as you had circled his base and were prepared to attack in that direction.
-He movied his marines out of position after chasing off another harass attempt and got punished for it when you were able to charge up on his barracks and kill off his response marines.
-He got flanked by a group of carriers/voids while his vikings were giving his tanks vision of the edge your base. If he had his vikings in position he would have shot down those units before they could even make a dent in his forces. He was babysitting his army the whole time so he must have legitimately been surprised by the flank.
-He scouted your position last even though it would have been perfectly legit to do it first as you were in close positions.
So my conclusion is that he was not map hacking. Either that or he is the most subtle cheater in the known universe. Hope that is a satisfactory analysis.
On a side not: This thread aspires to be a sort of blacklist of known ladder hackers right? If it is to avoid becoming a witch hunt people really need to provide extraordinary evidence, such as looking at troop movements through the fog, or straight up warping in immortals. Really though, looking through the fog or perfect troop movements coinciding with the dots on the minimap ought to be the minimum standard for map hack accusations.
On September 13 2010 09:57 Fly[DCT] wrote: I do not think viewing the fog of war constitutes hacking.
The guy probably just forgot what he saw previously and needed to remind himself. I do that sometimes, too.
I do not think a fast, all-in strategy (say 4pool) on a map with multiple spawning point (say 4-players) constitutes hacking, either.
I have not done this on Starcraft before, but I have definitely done it for Warcraft 3 before. Here's why:
There was a period of time which I couldn't win against Night Elf (because I was noob). So, instead of playing a long, drawn-out game which will result in me losing anyways, I'd just do an all-in tower rush. If I guess the position of the Night Elf correctly, I'll have a good chance of winning (better than playing straight-up, anyways). If I guess wrong, I quit - there is no harm done.
Similarly, what *might* have happened there is that the guy is really bad at ZvT. So he thought, "heck, I can't win ZvT, so I will gamble by doing 4 pool even though I don't know where he is". He guessed right, you got owned, and now you are raging on this forum.
Alternatively, his girlfriend arrived as soon as the game began. He wanted to finish as quickly as possible, but did not want to just quit. So he 4pooled and guessed your position. He got lucky, and you got angry.
sometimes viewing the fog of war may not mean hacking 100%, however some people do it to randomly stare at units they cant see(theres ALOT of reps in the thread about this) or look at their base without even scouting it, or something like that, randomly check their base later and make a correct counter to something they have no idea is coming
sure sometimes it can be just honestly reassurance of what you saw but sometimes its not, and when its not its ALOT more obvious
Even if he did not scout the area, it is still possible that he wants to view it. Perhaps he wanted to move a unit there (scouting), but changed his mind, or it was simply a mis-click on the minimap.
Thanks for reminding me of the "magically getting the correct counter" one. It's the worst argument of all. If I was playing someone who denied my scout, I would react by assuming my opponent did one of the tricky builds I know of. Since I would not have any information on which one, I would just guess - if I got lucky and guessed right I'd win then get branded as a cheater? No. I just got lucky.
Also, please remember that your opponent is not a Starcraft-God and he does not always play in the most efficient way. - He might be a nub, and for some reason he wanted to look at how the choke work because he didn't know the map; - He might be taught by a nub friend to ALWAYS BUILD TURRENTS IN ANY MATCH-UP; - He might have lost to a cheese in a previous game which he did not build turrents; now he got scared and decided to build turrents regardless of his opponent's strategies; - He might have ADHD
Anyways, I think a lot of the so-called hackers there may be innocent. I think only those that performed something that could not be done in normal gameplay (such as warping Immortals) should be on top of the page. Right now it's looking like a witch hunt.
On September 13 2010 09:47 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Vanick Hacker Name: DTank Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/79255-1v1-terran-protoss-metalopolis Description: So 90% of this game is fine and dandy, i dont scout his scv that sneaks by, but everything is explainable. I even cancel my dt tech, but i do it too fast so he knows i do that.
But what is interesting is that awhile after i delete my scouted my dt tech, he starts building turrets, around the edge of his base. Without ever scouting my switch to VRs. I have thought this all out and even asked him, why was his reasoning. No answer.
Then a bit later in the game he spends 2 scans, for the first time at my natural, which again, is perfectly explainable. But his 3rd scan later in the game he scans my main, when im starting to get carriers. Again, i'm not sure at that point in the game why you would scan my main in such a mid-late scenario.
If anyone can explain his reasoning with rationality, ill shut my mouth. And most of the game he doesn't do anything suspicious, but just because its not blatent doesnt mean its not happening.
Rationality behind turrets, maybe he's just being safe and expecting a dt drop or something..or he saw something thats kinda ehh, but id probably go with expecting a dt drop or some kind of fake out
i thought scanning the opponents base was common practice late game? i mean its not like you just randomly quit making tech or something. especially with quite a few orbitals you can easily afford a few scans
Please don't even try to comment on strategy on this thread. This is infuriating me. Watch the replay or don't comment. He build 3 turrets WAY away from his main buildings, inbetween our bases(close pos meta). Any standard justification for trying to stop dt dropping wouldnt be to make 20 turrets around the edge of your base.
I am very close to the edge with ppl just commenting on this thread. In fact i don't even think players should be watching reps, only admins, since the level of most players are pretty low that have commented.
I am not trying to troll, but theorycrafting on this thread should almost lead to a temp ban. this isn't the place for strategy talk. Its a place to analyse replays to catch hackers, not to discuss potential timings.
His turrets came almost immediatly after my vrs were coming out. As in, if he were an actual good player, he would glance at the fog, and notcie, "o hey, he cancelled his dt tech, no way he can dt drop now."
But no, scrubby players are trying to theorycraft this guys defense.
Edi: Plus u don't need more than 1 turret to detect a dt, you need exactly 1-2 well placed ones, or 3 if you have a shitty base. Not 3 right next to each other, again please watching the damn replay before you comment.
I said afraid of DT drop, and you just go all out flame bro
calm the fuck down. EDIT : hell someone even gave you a fucking huge page on why he wasnt maphacking
sever NA Name of hacker iPwn (i remember it to be that) what he did: kulas 4 players map he went 5 racks reaper at your nature without scout you first. all of his recent games are win by 5 or 11 racks and under 10 mins. i sent a report to blizzard!
On September 13 2010 22:46 NB wrote: sever NA Name of hacker iPwn (i remember it to be that) what he did: kulas 4 players map he went 5 racks reaper at your nature without scout you first. all of his recent games are win by 5 or 11 racks and under 10 mins. i sent a report to blizzard!
can we have replays and screenshots of obious reason why these are suspected hackers, the best ones are people who posted youtube vids of them doing it :D
Realm : North America Your name : muffley Hacker Name : Artanis Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/79694-1v1-terran-steppes-of-war Description : Something just felt off in game, as he sent his forces to my congo line of an army and stimmed on the other side of the bushes. Obvious things to note : Constantly looks at my base. Just before 17 minutes, he's looking at my front, as I move out. He takes his M&M and vikings to the exact place where I was going. He stims moments after he sees my forces, and he's not good enough to have that reaction time.
"Here's a screen I found on [ancient blizzard hack site].
Note that while his opponent is obviously abusing some sort of glitch, which is why he made a thread, he is clearly using a hack of his own. 2 in 1.
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edit: and 2 seconds later I realise there's no way of knowing which server this is... "
That shit happened to me before where a zerg makes some shit in your base next to your nexus w/ no creep, except i killed it and broodlings came out and killed my probes... crazy trick...i think the point of it is for broodlings
On September 14 2010 00:56 muffley wrote: Realm : North America Your name : muffley Hacker Name : Artanis Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/79694-1v1-terran-steppes-of-war Description : Something just felt off in game, as he sent his forces to my congo line of an army and stimmed on the other side of the bushes. Obvious things to note : Constantly looks at my base. Just before 17 minutes, he's looking at my front, as I move out. He takes his M&M and vikings to the exact place where I was going. He stims moments after he sees my forces, and he's not good enough to have that reaction time
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I'd agree that Artanis is most likely map hacking, he frequently moves his camera to his opponent's base, before scouting it a single time (moving his camera a few times is understandable if he forgot which buildings he saw), but he also looks at his opponent's natural and choke quite frequently. (Never used a single scan, which might not matter, but points toward suspicion)
On September 10 2010 09:51 Back wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Back Hacker Name : Ltqi Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76904-1v1-protoss-zerg-xelnaga-caverns Description : Constantly looking at my base and units through the fog of war. Unit movement to intercept units that were not yet visible. No scouting whatsoever. Even his first overlord ends up lost on the side of the map. Obvious things to note : Whenever I make a new building, he will look at what it is through the fog a few seconds later.
Added this one and the others on this page that were confirmed
just wanted to confirm again, that Ltqi (now playing terran) is still hacking, same things as mentioned before, since a replay was already posted ill skip that, just wanted to confirm it again
On September 13 2010 09:47 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Vanick Hacker Name: DTank Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/79255-1v1-terran-protoss-metalopolis Description: So 90% of this game is fine and dandy, i dont scout his scv that sneaks by, but everything is explainable. I even cancel my dt tech, but i do it too fast so he knows i do that.
But what is interesting is that awhile after i delete my scouted my dt tech, he starts building turrets, around the edge of his base. Without ever scouting my switch to VRs. I have thought this all out and even asked him, why was his reasoning. No answer.
Then a bit later in the game he spends 2 scans, for the first time at my natural, which again, is perfectly explainable. But his 3rd scan later in the game he scans my main, when im starting to get carriers. Again, i'm not sure at that point in the game why you would scan my main in such a mid-late scenario.
If anyone can explain his reasoning with rationality, ill shut my mouth. And most of the game he doesn't do anything suspicious, but just because its not blatent doesnt mean its not happening.
Rationality behind turrets, maybe he's just being safe and expecting a dt drop or something..or he saw something thats kinda ehh, but id probably go with expecting a dt drop or some kind of fake out
i thought scanning the opponents base was common practice late game? i mean its not like you just randomly quit making tech or something. especially with quite a few orbitals you can easily afford a few scans
Please don't even try to comment on strategy on this thread. This is infuriating me. Watch the replay or don't comment. He build 3 turrets WAY away from his main buildings, inbetween our bases(close pos meta). Any standard justification for trying to stop dt dropping wouldnt be to make 20 turrets around the edge of your base.
I am very close to the edge with ppl just commenting on this thread. In fact i don't even think players should be watching reps, only admins, since the level of most players are pretty low that have commented.
I am not trying to troll, but theorycrafting on this thread should almost lead to a temp ban. this isn't the place for strategy talk. Its a place to analyse replays to catch hackers, not to discuss potential timings.
His turrets came almost immediatly after my vrs were coming out. As in, if he were an actual good player, he would glance at the fog, and notcie, "o hey, he cancelled his dt tech, no way he can dt drop now."
But no, scrubby players are trying to theorycraft this guys defense.
Edi: Plus u don't need more than 1 turret to detect a dt, you need exactly 1-2 well placed ones, or 3 if you have a shitty base. Not 3 right next to each other, again please watching the damn replay before you comment.
Arb was referring to DT drops. As in shooting down warp prisms. Obviously he wasn't the best player, and he certainly didn't look through the fog to see the building cancel (does that even work?) so he would have had a definite reason to fear them. I don't think the attitude was necessary...
I watched the replay and I have to say your accusation is very flimsy. I went through the whole thing pausing and checking both his camera and the observers and not once did he look at your base or anything suspicious through the fog. Furthermore he made several blunders that should not have happened to even the most discreet map hacker, which I will point out below. I will try to address your accusations anyway though.
1. That he built turrets in a good position to blindly counter your void rays.
Once he scouted the Dark Shrine he built a turret at his choke (for detection.) He then built one right near his CC even though you had cancelled the shrine by this point, and then sent an SCV to build one in the smoke (I have seen numerous pros do this no matter what the situation so this is fine) He then started to Turret up the entire perimeter of his base by queuing up Turrets with SCVs (2 i think). This was before you even moved your voids around your base, and he did not once look at them through the fog. You could make an argument that he was watching them move on the minimap, but again, he built these initial turrets before you made any movements with them whatsoever. After you attacked, saw the turrets, and retreated, he proceeded to completely lock down that side of his base with turrets despite the fact that you were in the process of swinging around to the front of his base. After you attacked his barracks, and his response marines (which were out of position to defend harass), he emptied his bunkers and repelled your voids, then he finished turreting up his entire base. Again it needs to be said that he did not once look at your voids through the fog, and judging by his response to your harass, he wasn't looking at them on the minimap either.
2. Suspicious scans
He did scan your natural to find your army. He did this throughout the game which suggests it is part of his routine when playing. I think he only found significant troops on the first scan, and you hid your army multiple times and caught him off guard with flanks successfully at least once. The only reason they did not succeed was that his force of vikings was just to strong for protoss air at that point.
The scan on the main where he found your carriers looks mostly lucky to me. He scanned when you already had one carrier out. If he had scanned when you placed the fleet beacon you could argue that he saw the blip appear on the minimap and scanned to figure out what it was, but that is a flimsy argument, and shouldn't be considered proof for this thread unless that behavior can be demonstrated across multiple replays. Also, again, he did not look though the fog. As to why you would scan the main in such a situation? It was pretty common to randomly scan for carrier tech in lategame TvP in BW, but I don't play T in this game so I don't know what constitutes standard scanning practice. Perhaps he routinely gets beaten by sneaky tech switches? I fake phoenix scout terrans at random times solely for this reason. Either way it is not a sufficiently strong reason to label somebody a maphacker.
A few further things that point to him NOT having maphack on.
-He didn't find your third for a long time, even though he should have seen it on the minimap. He even saw probes maynarding that way in one of his scans and he still seemed to have missed it's existence.
-He tried blindly building a CC at his third despite the fact that you had a pylon and a stalker there. This led to a dead SCV and what looked like a failed cancel on the CC.
-He built his next batch of turrets (in response to your voids) completely out of position. They were on the border between your bases when he should have built them facing the center of the map as you had circled his base and were prepared to attack in that direction.
-He movied his marines out of position after chasing off another harass attempt and got punished for it when you were able to charge up on his barracks and kill off his response marines.
-He got flanked by a group of carriers/voids while his vikings were giving his tanks vision of the edge your base. If he had his vikings in position he would have shot down those units before they could even make a dent in his forces. He was babysitting his army the whole time so he must have legitimately been surprised by the flank.
-He scouted your position last even though it would have been perfectly legit to do it first as you were in close positions.
So my conclusion is that he was not map hacking. Either that or he is the most subtle cheater in the known universe. Hope that is a satisfactory analysis.
On a side not: This thread aspires to be a sort of blacklist of known ladder hackers right? If it is to avoid becoming a witch hunt people really need to provide extraordinary evidence, such as looking at troop movements through the fog, or straight up warping in immortals. Really though, looking through the fog or perfect troop movements coinciding with the dots on the minimap ought to be the minimum standard for map hack accusations.
First off to arb, i got warned for teeing off on you, so i apologize for that. But understand that no real "hacker detection" can be made without ever watching a replay. I could say, "omgzors someone made an oveerseer when I was going dts." And without watching a replay, you could obviously say thats normal. But if within a replay, the dt was for whatever reason on the other side of the map, away from any expansion, and the zerg morphed the closest overlord. Not saying that IS hacking, but it is alot more suspicious than just trying to theorycraft a response. Get my point? Again sorry, but i beg that you watch replays before posting.
As for the actual response I am quoteing, all very good stuff. As I said, 90% of the game he didn't do anything really fishy. he had shitty reponses with the marines and such, so i 100% agree with you on that. I will note that if i recall reading somewhere on tl, you can have hacks that make it so you can look at the fog, and the game will not detect it. So the que of fog looking is sorta useless for hacker detection.
Again, i cancelled the dt tech, and he could see it within his vision, so i there was no way for me to dt drop at the time of the turret placement. Now of course, he just could have not noticed the cancel(he is about 1k elo), so its not hard evidence by a long shot, it just seems very fishy why he would get so many turrets in the direct VR line so early.
I guess my final word, keep your eye out for DTank.
Realm : EU Your name : Nocturnal Hacker Name : Kogt Replay :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7KTZHYWV Description : Pretty standard ZvZ. Ling baneling micro. Mistakes on both our parts. He tries to expand and go roaches but I manage to break him before he get's enough out. The whole has left the game and been defeated chat comes up a long with the victory screen. After going to the score screen it says I have lost 10 points.
My friend told me I got drophacked which is why I came to this page. as of now I am not accusing this player but rather wondering if anyone else has had this experience with him. I suppose this could be a bug but it would seem to be a really strange one.
On September 14 2010 03:48 zomgtossrush wrote: I will note that if i recall reading somewhere on tl, you can have hacks that make it so you can look at the fog, and the game will not detect it. So the que of fog looking is sorta useless for hacker detection.
If such a hack exists that would make detecting people using it difficult without more evidence than just a replay. It would be nice to know more about this hack. For instance, if it does not record camera movements when you are looking at the fog, then you would expect someone using it to never have their player cam leave their vision right? That would be suspicious as certain commands are really impractical to give through the minimap. In any case this guy did look at the fog a few times when scouting at the beginning, building, and moving troops around which seems ok. He did use the minimap to scan a few times, which seems weird to me, but could just be his style. In any case it would be very helpful to know how some of the more subtle hacks work, so we know what to look for when watching replays.
I hope discussion such as this is appropriate for this thread.
On September 14 2010 03:48 zomgtossrush wrote: I will note that if i recall reading somewhere on tl, you can have hacks that make it so you can look at the fog, and the game will not detect it. So the que of fog looking is sorta useless for hacker detection.
If such a hack exists that would make detecting people using it difficult without more evidence than just a replay. It would be nice to know more about this hack. For instance, if it does not record camera movements when you are looking at the fog, then you would expect someone using it to never have their player cam leave their vision right? That would be suspicious as certain commands are really impractical to give through the minimap. In any case this guy did look at the fog a few times when scouting at the beginning, building, and moving troops around which seems ok. He did use the minimap to scan a few times, which seems weird to me, but could just be his style. In any case it would be very helpful to know how some of the more subtle hacks work, so we know what to look for when watching replays.
I hope discussion such as this is appropriate for this thread.
Id like to see a replay where this supposed hack is used
Description : Looking at me through the fog of war, nothing special. It's a good thing he was awful and tried to pull some all-in 4rax marine push which I killed with lings, but its all good. I won anyway.
Obvious things to note : Looked at my base at the very beginning. Looked at my expansion when I put my hatchery up. Sent marines attack-moving to the destructible rocks with no scouting (Could be coincidental if not for previous mentions.) Sent marines to kill my ling on the Xel'Naga tower, only to pull back as soon as I start moving a ling force (from all the way in my base) towards the tower in defense.
On September 10 2010 09:26 will925 wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Will Hacker Name :Kravren Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76875-2v2-terran-protoss-tarsonis-assault Description : My friend EdWreck and I were 2v2-ing Kravren and his partner when his partner DCs. Most of the match Kravren uses both armies to mass marines and try to push. He takes out an expo and proxy pylon very easily and upon inspection of the replay you see he looks at seemingly nothing on the map a lot or pans over our base a lot, especially mine since he never attacks me at all.
Obvious things to note : 0:09 Early opponent base scan. Not too suspicious, may he is just looking around the map. 3:51 Sees my probe on its way to build a proxy pylon 4:12 Sees pylon being built and then destroys it. 6:54 Scans bases entrances to decide attack plan 12:39 Base scan again 14:10 Scans my friends hidden expo!!! And then attacks and destroys it!!! 18:54 Sees the banshees and moves marines in anticipation for the banshees.
Missed both of these, will watch and add to OP, unless someone beats me to it
PpzGenome : god damn he was terrible, he looked at fog Alot, and he usually just sent shit to defend things he never scouted, can someone else take a look at this please?
Watch Kravren rep now
Though at ppz these are things you could expect to be happening(ling at tower, and the backdoor attacking)
Description : Looking at me through the fog of war, nothing special. It's a good thing he was awful and tried to pull some all-in 4rax marine push which I killed with lings, but its all good. I won anyway.
Obvious things to note : Looked at my base at the very beginning. Looked at my expansion when I put my hatchery up. Sent marines attack-moving to the destructible rocks with no scouting (Could be coincidental if not for previous mentions.) Sent marines to kill my ling on the Xel'Naga tower, only to pull back as soon as I start moving a ling force (from all the way in my base) towards the tower in defense.
On September 10 2010 09:26 will925 wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Will Hacker Name :Kravren Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76875-2v2-terran-protoss-tarsonis-assault Description : My friend EdWreck and I were 2v2-ing Kravren and his partner when his partner DCs. Most of the match Kravren uses both armies to mass marines and try to push. He takes out an expo and proxy pylon very easily and upon inspection of the replay you see he looks at seemingly nothing on the map a lot or pans over our base a lot, especially mine since he never attacks me at all.
Obvious things to note : 0:09 Early opponent base scan. Not too suspicious, may he is just looking around the map. 3:51 Sees my probe on its way to build a proxy pylon 4:12 Sees pylon being built and then destroys it. 6:54 Scans bases entrances to decide attack plan 12:39 Base scan again 14:10 Scans my friends hidden expo!!! And then attacks and destroys it!!! 18:54 Sees the banshees and moves marines in anticipation for the banshees.
Missed both of these, will watch and add to OP, unless someone beats me to it
PpzGenome : god damn he was terrible, he looked at fog Alot, and he usually just sent shit to defend things he never scouted, can someone else take a look at this please?
Watch Kravren rep now
Kravren replay is so fucking obvious i dont even know where to begin, the base scans at the beginning are nothing serious, however the banshee defense made me laugh, the hidden expo made me laugh and everything after the intial choke scans makes this pretty obvious
Ill add Kravren to the OP for now, and when i get another thought on PpzGenome ill add or not add tht
On September 14 2010 05:13 Night[7] wrote: Realm : EU Your name : Nocturnal Hacker Name : Kogt Replay :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7KTZHYWV Description : Pretty standard ZvZ. Ling baneling micro. Mistakes on both our parts. He tries to expand and go roaches but I manage to break him before he get's enough out. The whole has left the game and been defeated chat comes up a long with the victory screen. After going to the score screen it says I have lost 10 points.
My friend told me I got drophacked which is why I came to this page. as of now I am not accusing this player but rather wondering if anyone else has had this experience with him. I suppose this could be a bug but it would seem to be a really strange one.
Not sure if you can call this a hack, take a look at his matchlist and tell us about it.
Realm : North America Your name : Falryx Hacker Name : Shk Replay :
Description : Its a small 6-7 minute game the guy, instantly sends an scv right from his base to mine, and carefully navigates it out of my sight when I have an overlord near by. He is constantly looking into my base with out any sight, at all.
Obvious things to note : Maphack instantly sends scv to my base navigates scv to not get sighted by an overlord.
On September 15 2010 18:58 TrialanError wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Falryx Hacker Name : Shk Replay :
Description : Its a small 6-7 minute game the guy, instantly sends an scv right from his base to mine, and carefully navigates it out of my sight when I have an overlord near by. He is constantly looking into my base with out any sight, at all.
Obvious things to note : Maphack instantly sends scv to my base navigates scv to not get sighted by an overlord.
I believe Shk has a high chance of being a hacker. Some of his actions could be attributed to luck, but he seems to check the spawning pool status multiple times while he is making a barracks. Since the replay is so short, and there are only a couple of questionable moments, I'm unsure if this is conclusive to add him to the TL hacker database.
Thanks for the review Ichabod, glad to have another set of eyes check it out, too bad it was that short wish I could nail him. Don't like hackers. I was looking around an Googled, shk and maphack, an found another person thinking he might of maphacked on.. here http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=140495 I believe its the same person, but have no way of clarifying.
I had a short talk with him about the questionable behavior of his actions after I checked the replay so I think xn3t0x is him, since that account is brand new and is the first post from him. Could be him posing as someone else.. If its not then I apologize. Seemed awfully suspicious to me thou. Anyway I sent all the stuff to blizzard and hope they do something eventually.
I just worry about being labeled as a hacker because you share the same name a proven one. That being said I love threads like this, witch hunts are super fun.
nah I'm not Shk. You can look me up in game name is xnetox. As for that other replay somebody named Shk actually responded to that by saying
"I can explain since that's my account. If you look at my games played I have over 500 games. I share this account with my son.
He is only 13 but he likes to play starcraft 2. I showed him a few cheese strats becuase he doesn't have alot of time to play and he hates 30+ min games.
So he knows 2 strats. Marine rush vs Zerg/Terran and Reaper rush vs Toss.
As for him going to the right spot... he doesn't know that map is a 4 player map. He just guess correctly. I'm pretty sure he's done the same thing on that map before only guessed wrong and gotten owned.
Just a game that Ive played today on ladder. My oponnent clearly is using maphack, the best thing is that he still fails despite the fact that he can see absolutely everything... Just go into his point of view in the replay and see for yourself ^^
Format: Realm : North America Your name : Jash.851 Hacker Name : blythe Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/81727-1v1-terran-protoss-scrap-station#rd:dna Description : -not clear as some people but watch at 17 minutes he goes for a drop which I see with my obs at which point I move my army back and he looks right into the fog of war then turns his drop ships around and drops my natural instead
- 8:45 looks at fog of war gives unit commands but pulls bac right away
-the dropship thing screams hacker to me but i want ot make sure other people agree
I'm gonna start staring at bases under fog of war and proxying barracks in naturals on 4 player maps. Won't work 66% of the time, but when i get it done it's gonna be sweet.
this is a great idea. They are scum of the earth and should be isolated and pointed out. possibly put in stalks and ridiculed publicly before execusion.
On September 17 2010 06:28 snpnx wrote: Arb, please request people to write BnetName.BnetIDNumber. This list is no good the way it is, given that everyone can have the same name.
If they can add the ID number then thats great, not going to help you in game though
On September 17 2010 00:31 jamesr12 wrote: Format: Realm : North America Your name : Jash.851 Hacker Name : blythe Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/81727-1v1-terran-protoss-scrap-station#rd:dna Description : -not clear as some people but watch at 17 minutes he goes for a drop which I see with my obs at which point I move my army back and he looks right into the fog of war then turns his drop ships around and drops my natural instead
- 8:45 looks at fog of war gives unit commands but pulls bac right away
-the dropship thing screams hacker to me but i want ot make sure other people agree
Realm : North America Your name : Xanatos Hacker Name : iPwn and Pikachu Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82796-2v2-terran-protoss-tarsonis-assault Description : Both Pikachu and iPwn clearly map hacking. Obvious things to note : iPwn sends 2scvs out to attack a proxy base location without ever scouting it, or our bases After watching the replay i found both players to be looking at my unscouted base, and especially our proxy base location for no apparent reason..
Please help expose this Rank 1 Diamond 2v2 team as the map hacking scum that they are. Both players belong to several other teams with incredible records (10-1 win ratios). It is likely that they have map hacking friends too. Please post replays and expose any hacker friends of theirs.
Realm : North America Your name : ZomgTossRush Hacker Name : Ray Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82821-1v1-protoss-delta-quadrant Description : Now this is a tricky one, and if you dont look very closely you'll gonna miss it. And he does EVERYTHING possible to show he isn't hacking.
Now at 1:20 to 1:27 i try to sneak a probe into his back. If you look at rays VISION, you can see my probe is clearly in his vision. So of course you are going to say "duh he saw your probe sneak by , you cant get a proxy off.
Takeing a 2nd look at the replay. Look at exactly 1:20 to 1:27 in rays camera. He moves his main window up slightly, just enough to not see my probe go by. Like EXACTLY the perfect timing so his main view cant see my probe go by. Its as if he saw it coming across the minimap and moved his camera out of the way for some hacking reason.
Now you could say he saw it on the minimap, and wanted to hide the fact that he saw it....? Nope doesn't make sense. If you saw something moving across the minimap wouldnt you want to see what it is?
Another point is, is that im a random player, So if you saw something in your minimap, wouldn't u want to see if it wa s a drone/probe/scv? Why would you want to PURPOSEFULLY move your camera so you cant see what your eye glances in the minimap?
I hope others feel my suspicion on this ticky hacker.
Obvious things to note : 0:22 (in his camera) he quickly glances at my base on LT 2:18 (in his camera) he rallies his gateways straight to my base w/o scouting
On September 18 2010 15:58 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm : North America Your name : ZomgTossRush Hacker Name : Ray Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82821-1v1-protoss-delta-quadrant Description : Now this is a tricky one, and if you dont look very closely you'll gonna miss it. And he does EVERYTHING possible to show he isn't hacking.
Now at 1:20 to 1:27 i try to sneak a probe into his back. If you look at rays VISION, you can see my probe is clearly in his vision. So of course you are going to say "duh he saw your probe sneak by , you cant get a proxy off.
Takeing a 2nd look at the replay. Look at exactly 1:20 to 1:27 in rays camera. He moves his main window up slightly, just enough to not see my probe go by. Like EXACTLY the perfect timing so his main view cant see my probe go by. Its as if he saw it coming across the minimap and moved his camera out of the way for some hacking reason.
Now you could say he saw it on the minimap, and wanted to hide the fact that he saw it....? Nope doesn't make sense. If you saw something moving across the minimap wouldnt you want to see what it is?
Another point is, is that im a random player, So if you saw something in your minimap, wouldn't u want to see if it wa s a drone/probe/scv? Why would you want to PURPOSEFULLY move your camera so you cant see what your eye glances in the minimap?
I hope others feel my suspicion on this ticky hacker.
No evidence of hacking. There' s no evidence he even saw the sneaksy probe wander into his backdoor expansion, his camera was jigging around slightly all the time in his base anyways, as you'd expect with 200 APM and nothing much to do except click probes and/or minerals. The only other evidence of hacking was that the player used a spare unit to scout his base in case of tricksiness, and finds a warp pylon in there that shouldn't have been there. Perfectly reasonable. I do that too, after I came across an empty Terran main, and eventually found a couple of raxes, and a posse of marines all chilling out in there one time.
Description : Now this is a tricky one, and if you dont look very closely you'll gonna miss it. And he does EVERYTHING possible to show he isn't hacking.
Agreed. The easiest way of showing you're not hacking is to not hack. Pounds to peanuts that's what this guy did.
Edit:
Now at 1:20 to 1:27 i try to sneak a probe into his back. If you look at rays VISION, you can see my probe is clearly in his vision. So of course you are going to say "duh he saw your probe sneak by , you cant get a proxy off.
I rewatched, and the probe is NEVER in Ray's vision on the main screen. It might just barely pop into view at the bottom left if he was using a wide screen monitor (I'm not using one, perhaps you are), and even then, he might not have noticed it if his peripheral vision isn't that good. I have noticed that I do sometimes miss things at the edge of the screen. You ought to consider that not everybody is using the same aspect-ratio monitor that you are.
Here's one from SEA for you guys to look over, thought it was reasonably suspicious.
Realm: SEA Your name: Mizzet Hacker name: Allin Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82900-1v1-terran-protoss-xelnaga-caverns Description: Frequent looking at base through fog of war mainly, builds an observer but doesn't seem interested in poking around my base with it. Intercepts two instances of drops/harass without scouting it as well.
Things to note: You can set it to player camera from the start, the first instance of looking at my base without vision starts pretty early, before the first minute.
Realm : NA Hacker Name : tieuson & Jimmy Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82910-2v2-terran-protoss-war-zone Description : 2v2 TT v PP, tieuson is the blatant maphacker, Jimmy checks the fog only once or twice. Note : Use first-person view to see that they regularly scan over the fog. The funny part is that they never scout our buildings in the entire game, ever (until their final attack), yet take multiple glances over our bases, especially the somewhat unusual placement of my barracks. Also note how he moves his units to (or warps-in) where my reapers are headed.
On September 18 2010 19:52 Mizzet wrote: Here's one from SEA for you guys to look over, thought it was reasonably suspicious.
Realm: SEA Your name: Mizzet Hacker name: Allin Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82900-1v1-terran-protoss-xelnaga-caverns Description: Frequent looking at base through fog of war mainly, builds an observer but doesn't seem interested in poking around my base with it. Intercepts two instances of drops/harass without scouting it as well.
Things to note: You can set it to player camera from the start, the first instance of looking at my base without vision starts pretty early, before the first minute.
Obvious maphacker. As well as scouting your base, he also views some unit groups through fog a few times.
Realm : Europe Your name : Qzy Hacker Name : Tsubasa Replay : [url blocked] Description : Very obvious fog of war hack - look at it from his vision and cry a tear.
Obvious things to note : Looking into fog of war exactly where my army is.. Pulling his army back, when my army is entering his base. No scouting.
Obvious hack is obvious.
Afterwards the guy told me i suck, and he was on the german pro-team n!faculty. I got a screenshot of chat if needed. Sucks for that n!-team, if they got a hacker among them.
Too add to Artanis, I would say MH 100% he never even got up my ramp in 2 games and continously was checking my base/natural and everytime i took a watchtower he sent a single marine immediately to kill it
Realm : North America Your name : Xanatos Hacker Name : iPwn and Pikachu Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82796-2v2-terran-protoss-tarsonis-assault Description : Both Pikachu and iPwn clearly map hacking. Obvious things to note : iPwn sends 2scvs out to attack a proxy base location without ever scouting it, or our bases After watching the replay i found both players to be looking at my unscouted base, and especially our proxy base location for no apparent reason..
On September 18 2010 15:58 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm : North America Your name : ZomgTossRush Hacker Name : Ray Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82821-1v1-protoss-delta-quadrant Description : Now this is a tricky one, and if you dont look very closely you'll gonna miss it. And he does EVERYTHING possible to show he isn't hacking.
Now at 1:20 to 1:27 i try to sneak a probe into his back. If you look at rays VISION, you can see my probe is clearly in his vision. So of course you are going to say "duh he saw your probe sneak by , you cant get a proxy off.
Takeing a 2nd look at the replay. Look at exactly 1:20 to 1:27 in rays camera. He moves his main window up slightly, just enough to not see my probe go by. Like EXACTLY the perfect timing so his main view cant see my probe go by. Its as if he saw it coming across the minimap and moved his camera out of the way for some hacking reason.
Now you could say he saw it on the minimap, and wanted to hide the fact that he saw it....? Nope doesn't make sense. If you saw something moving across the minimap wouldnt you want to see what it is?
Another point is, is that im a random player, So if you saw something in your minimap, wouldn't u want to see if it wa s a drone/probe/scv? Why would you want to PURPOSEFULLY move your camera so you cant see what your eye glances in the minimap?
I hope others feel my suspicion on this ticky hacker.
No evidence of hacking. There' s no evidence he even saw the sneaksy probe wander into his backdoor expansion, his camera was jigging around slightly all the time in his base anyways, as you'd expect with 200 APM and nothing much to do except click probes and/or minerals. The only other evidence of hacking was that the player used a spare unit to scout his base in case of tricksiness, and finds a warp pylon in there that shouldn't have been there. Perfectly reasonable. I do that too, after I came across an empty Terran main, and eventually found a couple of raxes, and a posse of marines all chilling out in there one time.
Description : Now this is a tricky one, and if you dont look very closely you'll gonna miss it. And he does EVERYTHING possible to show he isn't hacking.
Agreed. The easiest way of showing you're not hacking is to not hack. Pounds to peanuts that's what this guy did.
Now at 1:20 to 1:27 i try to sneak a probe into his back. If you look at rays VISION, you can see my probe is clearly in his vision. So of course you are going to say "duh he saw your probe sneak by , you cant get a proxy off.
I rewatched, and the probe is NEVER in Ray's vision on the main screen. It might just barely pop into view at the bottom left if he was using a wide screen monitor (I'm not using one, perhaps you are), and even then, he might not have noticed it if his peripheral vision isn't that good. I have noticed that I do sometimes miss things at the edge of the screen. You ought to consider that not everybody is using the same aspect-ratio monitor that you are.
never considered that, i wonder if having a widescreen moniter effects camera view(i have a standard screen)
i still stand suspicious of why he purposefully doesn't try to watch my probe. If he hacks, the he will get caught.
I'm going to give this the benefit of the doubt but I wouldn't mind someone else with a less biased opinion watch the replay with only his vision.
Remember one key thing with this replay that he is a 1500 Diamond Terran.
He doesn't even see a single building of mine (A SINGLE BUILDING) until past 11 minutes into the game. Does no scans before hand... and then twice he moves his entire army into my units which he has 0 vision of both times.
Razoric Post: 2:19, 3:08 - Checks out your base 4:05 - checks zealot moving out 4:43 - when marine dies, he moves camera up 4:57 - checks zealot + stalker moving 5:15, 5:40, 5:50 - checks your base 6:50, 7:11 - checks your base quite a bit 7:20 - checks nexus just starting 7:46 - again 8:09 - definitely checking out your expo 8:50 - checks massed army 10:02, 10:47, 10:52 - checks base 11:11 - checks army 11:10 - warp prism leaves your base. he immediately goes after the rocks and moves his raven over to deal with it before you can warp anything in. suspicious? more like blatant. 13:50, 15:06, 16:10 - checks base 17:20 - your army moves out to attack his PF expo. He immediately builds a turret before they get there, and his army mobilizes to defend it before he even sees it coming. again, blatant. 23:05 - knows exactly where your super secret expo is, rather than one to the north. fairly logical to figure out since it's closest, but still kind of blatant, especially since he attacked before scanning. 24:00 - knows exactly where to 'scan' for your last pylon
Realm : North America Your name : Pewpitar Hacker Name : USMCFirebat Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82883-1v1-terran-protoss-desert-oasis Description : He left his camera locked on his bases the whole game. While he was microing reapers in my base He never scouted/scanned. Yet he countered my colossi with vikings. After he got my main base, he didnt attack my expo because my army was too big. As soon as i started my observer, he started his started his starport.
100% confirmed, hacker and he doesn't even care if you know it.
Yeah, after the game I msged him saying, "Man, hack more plz. Enjoy your ban." and he replies with "Talk to someone who cares" =\ I don't know what's more disheartening, having to play against hackers, or having the hackers not care whether or not they get discovered.
On September 18 2010 15:58 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm : North America Your name : ZomgTossRush Hacker Name : Ray Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82821-1v1-protoss-delta-quadrant Description : Now this is a tricky one, and if you dont look very closely you'll gonna miss it. And he does EVERYTHING possible to show he isn't hacking.
Now at 1:20 to 1:27 i try to sneak a probe into his back. If you look at rays VISION, you can see my probe is clearly in his vision. So of course you are going to say "duh he saw your probe sneak by , you cant get a proxy off.
Takeing a 2nd look at the replay. Look at exactly 1:20 to 1:27 in rays camera. He moves his main window up slightly, just enough to not see my probe go by. Like EXACTLY the perfect timing so his main view cant see my probe go by. Its as if he saw it coming across the minimap and moved his camera out of the way for some hacking reason.
Now you could say he saw it on the minimap, and wanted to hide the fact that he saw it....? Nope doesn't make sense. If you saw something moving across the minimap wouldnt you want to see what it is?
Another point is, is that im a random player, So if you saw something in your minimap, wouldn't u want to see if it wa s a drone/probe/scv? Why would you want to PURPOSEFULLY move your camera so you cant see what your eye glances in the minimap?
I hope others feel my suspicion on this ticky hacker.
oh god, this is ridiculous. This guy obviously isnt hacking. Your reports are full of shenanigans.
Hi, new to TL. I've lurked and saw this thread and wanted to contribute to help SC2 be rid of at least one more hacker.
Realm : North America Your name : supadude Hacker Name : Jaggar Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/56275-2v2-terran-protoss-zerg-twilight-fortress Description : Obviously maphacking. He looks through fog and never scouts. He follows around my scouting lings and calls out my partners Vikings w/o scout. lols @ him talking trash and still losing because he spammed Void Rays.
Realm: North America Your name: Computer Hacker Name: Pure Replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10758013/purehacker.SC2Replay Description: 1500 player. Constantly looks through fog of war. He never scouts and mass void rays and phoenix while attacking and pulling back when hydra is about to engage. Very obvious maphacking. I hope he loses that account very soon.
Realm : North America Your name : sikatrix Hacker Name : ShinjinFTW Replay : Description : 1500+ game, wouldn't really post this if i wasn't 100% sure he was cheating. Obvious things to note : 6:05 -- random 1st glance at my base
6:28 - 6:35 -- ??
8:40 - 8:44 -- again randomly looking
9:45 -- this may just be luck, but he moves 2 stalkers to kill my scouting scv 1 second before it gets to his base
11:28 - 11:33 -- I don't even know what this is, if you watch it slow, while he's selecting his probe, it looks like he's trying to click on something... or? I dunno no clue.
13:02 -- glancing at army composition?
13:17 -- not sure if he's looking at the fact?
13:21 -- I believe he moved his army like a split second b4 the factory showed up on his map
just played a game vs a mh.. and won .. but the game doesnt appear in my match history. So I guess he is already on some kind of black list ?... cause I dont know how to report him now....
Edit: Nevermind the Bnet Server is quite slow I guess. Omg he has 600 games... I cant wait for the ban wave.. PS: Blizzard I am disappoint
Realm : SEA Your name : antas Hacker Name : zealot Replay : download at 4shared Description : PvP at Kulas Ravine, I'm scouting, finding him at 5'o, see forge and 1 gate. He cannon contain me. I lost and I would like to see what I did wrong, and found him looking at my gate under fog, and then he went straight to my base, build cannon at my door without even looking at my base. Obvious things to note : Went straight to my base out of 3 possibilities. Directly built cannon at my door without even seeing my base. Constantly looking at the blank map (under fog).
Additional remarks: Actually I'm not really upset, since actually I could win it if I'm thinking more cleary, but what can I expect since this is my first day playing Protoss :D Lol .. Anyhow I'm encouraging fair play, so I'm reporting this and share.
ps: Please feel free to remove if my accusation proved to be wrong.
All replays before Shk, that were confirmed should be in the OP sorry about the delay guys but my ban really messed shit up for me ><
On September 17 2010 00:31 jamesr12 wrote: Format: Realm : North America Your name : Jash.851 Hacker Name : blythe Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/81727-1v1-terran-protoss-scrap-station#rd:dna Description : -not clear as some people but watch at 17 minutes he goes for a drop which I see with my obs at which point I move my army back and he looks right into the fog of war then turns his drop ships around and drops my natural instead
- 8:45 looks at fog of war gives unit commands but pulls bac right away
-the dropship thing screams hacker to me but i want ot make sure other people agree
edited: to match format
really dont think he was hacking, i mean he walks into your army like twice, if he was hacking i dont think that woulda happened, he only looks at your base once or twice once he issues a move command, then scans a couple minutes later
doesnt look like a hacker at all, the main drop he scans see's nothing in your main, then scans your natural he'd just scanned your ramp so he could have obviously assumed that your units were there and it'd take longer to get to your natuarl
dont think he was hacking, another thought on this would be nice added Cow to the OP, so alll hack reports on pages 1-6 should be done
On September 24 2010 02:54 arb wrote: All replays before Shk, that were confirmed should be in the OP sorry about the delay guys but my ban really messed shit up for me ><
On September 17 2010 00:31 jamesr12 wrote: Format: Realm : North America Your name : Jash.851 Hacker Name : blythe Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/81727-1v1-terran-protoss-scrap-station#rd:dna Description : -not clear as some people but watch at 17 minutes he goes for a drop which I see with my obs at which point I move my army back and he looks right into the fog of war then turns his drop ships around and drops my natural instead
- 8:45 looks at fog of war gives unit commands but pulls bac right away
-the dropship thing screams hacker to me but i want ot make sure other people agree
edited: to match format
really dont think he was hacking, i mean he walks into your army like twice, if he was hacking i dont think that woulda happened, he only looks at your base once or twice once he issues a move command, then scans a couple minutes later
doesnt look like a hacker at all, the main drop he scans see's nothing in your main, then scans your natural he'd just scanned your ramp so he could have obviously assumed that your units were there and it'd take longer to get to your natuarl
dont think he was hacking, another thought on this would be nice added Cow to the OP, so alll hack reports on pages 1-6 should be done
Realm : North America Your name : HasHe Hacker Name : Pure Replay :http://vgcache.com/replays/4649 Description : Obviously hacking, checking my base every once in a while(if you put vision on him only) stopping my drop without ever seeing it. constantly killing off my units as soon as I get them to a xel'naga tower
On September 23 2010 11:33 nullmind wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Computer Hacker Name: Pure Replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10758013/purehacker.SC2Replay Description: 1500 player. Constantly looks through fog of war. He never scouts and mass void rays and phoenix while attacking and pulling back when hydra is about to engage. Very obvious maphacking. I hope he loses that account very soon.
On September 24 2010 07:54 HasHe201 wrote: Realm : North America Your name : HasHe Hacker Name : Pure Replay :http://vgcache.com/replays/4649 Description : Obviously hacking, checking my base every once in a while(if you put vision on him only) stopping my drop without ever seeing it. constantly killing off my units as soon as I get them to a xel'naga tower
On September 23 2010 11:33 nullmind wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Computer Hacker Name: Pure Replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10758013/purehacker.SC2Replay Description: 1500 player. Constantly looks through fog of war. He never scouts and mass void rays and phoenix while attacking and pulling back when hydra is about to engage. Very obvious maphacking. I hope he loses that account very soon.
I got another one on this Pure guy. Played him twice but I figured the first time he out played me but during this game it was so obvious he knew where my army was the entire time. http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=33889
On September 18 2010 15:25 Xanatos1 wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Xanatos Hacker Name : iPwn and Pikachu Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82796-2v2-terran-protoss-tarsonis-assault Description : Both Pikachu and iPwn clearly map hacking. Obvious things to note : iPwn sends 2scvs out to attack a proxy base location without ever scouting it, or our bases After watching the replay i found both players to be looking at my unscouted base, and especially our proxy base location for no apparent reason..
Please help expose this Rank 1 Diamond 2v2 team as the map hacking scum that they are. Both players belong to several other teams with incredible records (10-1 win ratios). It is likely that they have map hacking friends too. Please post replays and expose any hacker friends of theirs.
Pretty obvious hackers, they were fucking terrible too
On September 18 2010 19:52 Mizzet wrote: Here's one from SEA for you guys to look over, thought it was reasonably suspicious.
Realm: SEA Your name: Mizzet Hacker name: Allin Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82900-1v1-terran-protoss-xelnaga-caverns Description: Frequent looking at base through fog of war mainly, builds an observer but doesn't seem interested in poking around my base with it. Intercepts two instances of drops/harass without scouting it as well.
Things to note: You can set it to player camera from the start, the first instance of looking at my base without vision starts pretty early, before the first minute.
Obvious maphacker. As well as scouting your base, he also views some unit groups through fog a few times.
both confirmed, will add to OP
Also added Pure to the OP
On September 18 2010 17:21 MrMoomuku wrote: Realm : North America Your name : MrMoomuku Hacker Name : Tupac Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82857-1v1-terran-protoss-lost-temple Description : I suspected a map hack when he 2 gated me without scouting (we were at cross positions)
Obvious things to note : 0:22 (in his camera) he quickly glances at my base on LT 2:18 (in his camera) he rallies his gateways straight to my base w/o scouting
Both of these make it obvious, never scouts just rallys his zealots and does his own thing
On September 18 2010 21:19 Qzy wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : Qzy Hacker Name : Tsubasa Replay : [url blocked] Description : Very obvious fog of war hack - look at it from his vision and cry a tear.
Obvious things to note : Looking into fog of war exactly where my army is.. Pulling his army back, when my army is entering his base. No scouting.
Obvious hack is obvious.
Afterwards the guy told me i suck, and he was on the german pro-team n!faculty. I got a screenshot of chat if needed. Sucks for that n!-team, if they got a hacker among them.
On September 20 2010 12:59 Pewpitar wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Pewpitar Hacker Name : USMCFirebat Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/82883-1v1-terran-protoss-desert-oasis Description : He left his camera locked on his bases the whole game. While he was microing reapers in my base He never scouted/scanned. Yet he countered my colossi with vikings. After he got my main base, he didnt attack my expo because my army was too big. As soon as i started my observer, he started his started his starport.
Obvious things to note : See above
Is this from an old patch?
also, youre a douche wow
All confirmed replays from 1-7 added, if i missed any please PM me
Realm : North America Your name : DreamHero Hacker Name : Jaeger Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/86040-1v1-terran-scrap-station Description : I'm 95% sure this guy is a maphacker. I decided to go proxy Reapers on Scrap Station (its actually a legit strategy because you can follow it up pretty well if you kill enough SCVs) the guy goes some 12-13 rax in his base (which who the fuck does that unless you're going to bunker rush?) and without scouting sends his marines straight to my proxy to kill my reaper/barracks. Obvious things to note : Doesn't scout. Blind counters my build perfectly. Sends units straight to my proxy without any reason.
He wasn't making the normal mistakes of blatantly looking at your base through the fog, but then again the proxy rax is pretty obvious looking at the minimap so if he's smart he won't need to play with the camera to look around. Found it hard to say definitively until 3:50 where he slips up and scrolls the camera down just enough to look at the proxy rax, I'd say he's maphacking.
Realm : North America Your name : Railgun Hacker Name : iPwn Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?62hycsdcgdzw11s Description : Never scanned or scouted with anything. Constantly looked at empty fog of war and scrolled through it as though looking at something. He looks at my base within the first 30 seconds without scouting and he always kills my scv as soon as I get the watchtower.
Here's a list with all the character code numbers, should be a requirement in the format, that way one player doesn't get confused with another. Please include in the OP SC2ranks.com as way to search for the character code.
Not sure if blizzard is deleting accounts, or just banning their access. People can add their hackers to their friends list and see if they play any games in the next few days.
North America
Gtoo#367 - Last played 3 weeks EvilAcolyte#882 - Last played 5 hour ago GearBox#126 - Last played 22 hours ago Phenomena#808 - Last played 6 hours ago. HOB#496 - Last played 13 hours ago originalname#885 - 4 days ago Artanis#360 - 5 hours ago Ltqi#832 - 2 weeks ago Kravren#395 - Yesterday DocHoliday#902 - 22 hours ago iPwn#900 - 5 hours ago Pikachu#219 - 5 hours ago Tupac#900 - 9 hours ago
DocHoliday, chose the Terran player, not the low diamond Z, as the replay shows a T. Tupac, chose the P player as shown in the replay, not the Z.
Couldn't figure out the full identifier for the following people: Cow - Multiple people that play P and R Pure - Many "pure" across all leagues that play as P
On October 01 2010 14:40 DNT.Luxx wrote: Here's a list with all the character code numbers, should be a requirement in the format, that way one player doesn't get confused with another. Please include in the OP SC2ranks.com as way to search for the character code.
Not sure if blizzard is deleting accounts, or just banning their access. People can add their hackers to their friends list and see if they play any games in the next few days.
North America
Gtoo#367 - Last played 3 weeks EvilAcolyte#882 - Last played 5 hour ago GearBox#126 - Last played 22 hours ago Phenomena#808 - Last played 6 hours ago. HOB#496 - Last played 13 hours ago originalname#885 - 4 days ago Artanis#360 - 5 hours ago Ltqi#832 - 2 weeks ago Kravren#395 - Yesterday DocHoliday#902 - 22 hours ago iPwn#900 - 5 hours ago Pikachu#219 - 5 hours ago Tupac#900 - 9 hours ago
DocHoliday, chose the Terran player, not the low diamond Z, as the replay shows a T. Tupac, chose the P player as shown in the replay, not the Z.
Couldn't figure out the full identifier for the following people: Cow - Multiple people that play P and R Pure - Many "pure" across all leagues that play as P
Gtoo and Ltqi apparently havent played in a while thats good
Realm : North America Your name : Corinthos Hacker Name : Vis Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?l1o0sfcc9weicq8 Description : Dropped me as soon as I surround his zealots and kill the remaining stalker inside my base. I had a banshee and a 2nd one coming out still with several marines. Supply count is around the same, even or > than his. He did an all in 4 gate warp build and drop hacked me.
Obvious things to note : was able to re-connect to battle.net immediately was still on vent and msn internet was fine
On October 03 2010 00:26 Corinthos wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Corinthos Hacker Name : Vis Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?l1o0sfcc9weicq8 Description : Dropped me as soon as I surround his zealots and kill the remaining stalker inside my base. I had a banshee and a 2nd one coming out still with several marines. Supply count is around the same, even or > than his. He did an all in 4 gate warp build and drop hacked me.
Obvious things to note : was able to re-connect to battle.net immediately was still on vent and msn internet was fine
B.net 2.0 is still buggy. I got dropped after I defended a 6 pool earlier this morning and would have called the zerg I was playing out for drop hacks but I decided not to since you can't tell if someone's drop hacking with a sample size of 1. I whispered him asking if he got dropped and he just told me that it had appeared as if I had left. I just congratulated him on his free points (not sarcastically), shrugged my shoulders and moved along. Yeah, it sucked, but there's nothing you can do, and you certainly can't anyone a drop hacker without very good evidence.
edit: here's the lovely conversation we had after that game.
Corinthos: reporting you for drop hack Corinthos has reconnected. Corinthos: what a lame noob You: lol sorry dude 4gate is too strong Corinthos: you dropped me You: ? Corinthos: using a hack You: no i didnt Corinthos: i defended it yes it dropped me out of battle.net You: if you say so Corinthos: nothing else disconnect still on vent still on msn very funny You: i got disconnected earlier too it's b.net duude Corinthos: what a trash hacker You: report me Corinthos: yeah how come no noe else dc right when i trap your zealot and kill your stalker i drop ? very funny trash You: lol boohoo Corinthos: haha pathetic there goes your $60 trash hacker You: you got me bro im a hacker Corinthos: np posting the game on tl You: k which section so i can see ? Corinthos: ill link you in 2 min You: k ty Corinthos: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151244¤tpage=9#161 Corinthos has reconnected. You: thank you
On October 03 2010 00:26 Corinthos wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Corinthos Hacker Name : Vis Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?l1o0sfcc9weicq8 Description : Dropped me as soon as I surround his zealots and kill the remaining stalker inside my base. I had a banshee and a 2nd one coming out still with several marines. Supply count is around the same, even or > than his. He did an all in 4 gate warp build and drop hacked me.
Obvious things to note : was able to re-connect to battle.net immediately was still on vent and msn internet was fine
B.net 2.0 is still buggy. I got dropped after I defended a 6 pool earlier this morning and would have called the zerg I was playing out for drop hacks but I decided not to since you can't tell if someone's drop hacking with a sample size of 1. I whispered him asking if he got dropped and he just told me that it had appeared as if I had left. I just congratulated him on his free points (not sarcastically), shrugged my shoulders and moved along. Yeah, it sucked, but there's nothing you can do, and you certainly can't anyone a drop hacker without very good evidence.
edit: here's the lovely conversation we had after that game.
Corinthos: reporting you for drop hack Corinthos has reconnected. Corinthos: what a lame noob You: lol sorry dude 4gate is too strong Corinthos: you dropped me You: ? Corinthos: using a hack You: no i didnt Corinthos: i defended it yes it dropped me out of battle.net You: if you say so Corinthos: nothing else disconnect still on vent still on msn very funny You: i got disconnected earlier too it's b.net duude Corinthos: what a trash hacker You: report me Corinthos: yeah how come no noe else dc right when i trap your zealot and kill your stalker i drop ? very funny trash You: lol boohoo Corinthos: haha pathetic there goes your $60 trash hacker You: you got me bro im a hacker Corinthos: np posting the game on tl You: k which section so i can see ? Corinthos: ill link you in 2 min You: k ty Corinthos: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151244¤tpage=9#161 Corinthos has reconnected. You: thank you
? So you post a log of me being mad after you dropped hacked me. No where in your reply did you respond to what I stated before the drop happened. What is your reason of post? You are the better man because you handled it differently? If you think that opponent hacked then why not post that replay. The sample size of 1 is a ridiculous counter, the purpose of this thread is to report.
Realm : North America Your name : Cataphract Hacker Name : Jcizzler Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?0gdt89ixatwdcex Description : 8 Rax 9 Refinery build for reapers. I was able to stop it after losing like 10 probes. Obvious things to note : Set his barrack rally point just outside my base without scouting on Lost Temple. Only used scan to gain vision of the high ground before he attacked.
Realm : North America Your name : Hister.526 Hacker Name : ssamjang.390 Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87293-1v1-terran-zerg-blistering-sands#rd:undefined;markup Description : I usually don't report hackers but this 1500 point diamond hacker went to far cutting off zerglings scouts with marines by running across map looking at my base in fog dozens of times never scanning juking my units with his drop ships across map and even running away from me in my own base was just such a obvious hack. Obvious things to note : Never scanned me once, cuts off my zergling scouts he sent units at bottom of the map to the top prefect timing. You can just tell hes hacking the 2 major hacking points that won the game for him though were the drop ships juking me no vision of my units and his mass mmm tank ball kept going back and froth dodging me with out vision between my ramp and expo was just to prefect for a scrub like him.
Realm : EU Your name : Swiminzerg & Wowsukz Hacker Names : Antimatter.628 & Jigzaw.302 Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87759-2v2-protoss-zerg-tempest Description : PP v ZZ on Tempest, they rush lings without scouting. So I check replay and see one of them rally his hatch to our base even before building his pool or any form of scouting. Jigzaw even follows our probes that go build our initial pilons, i.e. looking at us through FOW
On October 03 2010 00:26 Corinthos wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Corinthos Hacker Name : Vis Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?l1o0sfcc9weicq8 Description : Dropped me as soon as I surround his zealots and kill the remaining stalker inside my base. I had a banshee and a 2nd one coming out still with several marines. Supply count is around the same, even or > than his. He did an all in 4 gate warp build and drop hacked me.
Obvious things to note : was able to re-connect to battle.net immediately was still on vent and msn internet was fine
B.net 2.0 is still buggy. I got dropped after I defended a 6 pool earlier this morning and would have called the zerg I was playing out for drop hacks but I decided not to since you can't tell if someone's drop hacking with a sample size of 1. I whispered him asking if he got dropped and he just told me that it had appeared as if I had left. I just congratulated him on his free points (not sarcastically), shrugged my shoulders and moved along. Yeah, it sucked, but there's nothing you can do, and you certainly can't anyone a drop hacker without very good evidence.
edit: here's the lovely conversation we had after that game.
Corinthos: reporting you for drop hack Corinthos has reconnected. Corinthos: what a lame noob You: lol sorry dude 4gate is too strong Corinthos: you dropped me You: ? Corinthos: using a hack You: no i didnt Corinthos: i defended it yes it dropped me out of battle.net You: if you say so Corinthos: nothing else disconnect still on vent still on msn very funny You: i got disconnected earlier too it's b.net duude Corinthos: what a trash hacker You: report me Corinthos: yeah how come no noe else dc right when i trap your zealot and kill your stalker i drop ? very funny trash You: lol boohoo Corinthos: haha pathetic there goes your $60 trash hacker You: you got me bro im a hacker Corinthos: np posting the game on tl You: k which section so i can see ? Corinthos: ill link you in 2 min You: k ty Corinthos: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151244¤tpage=9#161 Corinthos has reconnected. You: thank you
That looks really bad Corinthos. Getting dropped at an inopportune time is certainly not grounds for insta-hack blame...
great thread, i'd like to point out tho about DT's....
Sometimes you get REALLY lucky and spot the haze moving in to your mineral line before they attack and if you are fast enough can scan, or you can be like me and mean to scan your opponent as you leave your base and actually scan yourself revealing his DT's and causing him to gg ;p rare examples but they do happen
Realm : North America Your name : ZomgTossRush Hacker Name : KeepSeven Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87929-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns Description : The entire 22 minute game, has the perfect unit counters, yet never once scouts. Not once. Not scv scout, no xel naga hold, no scans. As in, at the end of the game, his minimap doesnt even show a peice of my creep. Yet has the perfect counter to all my attacks. And the fact that he doesnt quickly respond to my multiprong attacks, isn't evidence of not hacking, i really think he just is that bad. Considering his build order, terrible que'ing etc.
On October 03 2010 00:26 Corinthos wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Corinthos Hacker Name : Vis Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?l1o0sfcc9weicq8 Description : Dropped me as soon as I surround his zealots and kill the remaining stalker inside my base. I had a banshee and a 2nd one coming out still with several marines. Supply count is around the same, even or > than his. He did an all in 4 gate warp build and drop hacked me.
Obvious things to note : was able to re-connect to battle.net immediately was still on vent and msn internet was fine
B.net 2.0 is still buggy. I got dropped after I defended a 6 pool earlier this morning and would have called the zerg I was playing out for drop hacks but I decided not to since you can't tell if someone's drop hacking with a sample size of 1. I whispered him asking if he got dropped and he just told me that it had appeared as if I had left. I just congratulated him on his free points (not sarcastically), shrugged my shoulders and moved along. Yeah, it sucked, but there's nothing you can do, and you certainly can't anyone a drop hacker without very good evidence.
edit: here's the lovely conversation we had after that game.
Corinthos: reporting you for drop hack Corinthos has reconnected. Corinthos: what a lame noob You: lol sorry dude 4gate is too strong Corinthos: you dropped me You: ? Corinthos: using a hack You: no i didnt Corinthos: i defended it yes it dropped me out of battle.net You: if you say so Corinthos: nothing else disconnect still on vent still on msn very funny You: i got disconnected earlier too it's b.net duude Corinthos: what a trash hacker You: report me Corinthos: yeah how come no noe else dc right when i trap your zealot and kill your stalker i drop ? very funny trash You: lol boohoo Corinthos: haha pathetic there goes your $60 trash hacker You: you got me bro im a hacker Corinthos: np posting the game on tl You: k which section so i can see ? Corinthos: ill link you in 2 min You: k ty Corinthos: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151244¤tpage=9#161 Corinthos has reconnected. You: thank you
That looks really bad Corinthos. Getting dropped at an inopportune time is certainly not grounds for insta-hack blame...
Uh, how about you take this out of thet hread before i contact plexa or JWD and get bans brought down, this isnt for arguing over corinthos bming some other dude or whatever
EDIT : also fairly sure i have every report on pages 1-7 except jaeger, who ill watch in a moment. and ill try to get some of the ones on this page also
On October 05 2010 19:53 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm : North America Your name : ZomgTossRush Hacker Name : KeepSeven Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87929-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns Description : The entire 22 minute game, has the perfect unit counters, yet never once scouts. Not once. Not scv scout, no xel naga hold, no scans. As in, at the end of the game, his minimap doesnt even show a peice of my creep. Yet has the perfect counter to all my attacks. And the fact that he doesnt quickly respond to my multiprong attacks, isn't evidence of not hacking, i really think he just is that bad. Considering his build order, terrible que'ing etc.
There's no evidence of hacking here either. There's no sign of maphacking (he only looks into the fog to move units there), so we're talking about some hypothetical hack that lets you see the enemy's unit production or something, if any.
His 'perfect counter' to 'all your attacks' consists of 1) Making marines and putting them into bunkers at his nat. Bunkered marines are a passable and standard defence to attacks from most early game units, let's face it, so if a terran plans to turtle, why on earth wouldn't he do that? You try running by with roaches and he perfectly counters by sending rines out of his bunker and then pulling workers to finish your roaches off when the rines get the crap kicked out of them. Just the way he planned it, no doubt. 2) Making two Thors that mildly hurt your mutalisks. He started making the second well after he saw the mutas. so he didn't even need to be sentient to keep making them after the first, and, umm, isn't making mutalisks a standard thing that Zergs do, and doesn't Thor do pretty well against those AND a lot of other Zerg units. I'd have thought any standard Terran ground army would have a couple of either Thors or tanks in support, and he picked Thors, possibly in part because any half-awake Starcraft player anticipates mid-game mutalisks when playing against Zerg. 3) Supporting a marine ball with a couple Thors and running them out of his base to get all the marines swiftly exterminated by your banelings, then running back home to lick his wounds. That's not MY idea of a perfect counter. Is it really yours? 4) Beating up on a standard mix of roach/ling coming out of a nydus in a conga line with his very standard mix of terran units. Ummmm .... then 5) Going out of his base with a mix of Marine/marauder/Medivac/Thor and beating up on anything he meets until you gg.
What part of that isn't just normal play from any still-breathing silver-level Terran? He was quite bad, he didn't scout, he just did standard cookie-cutter newbie-style play, and he still beat you. End of story. There's no need to invoke hacks to explain anything that went on in that game.
You do really need strong evidence before you accuse people of hacking. This replay doesn't even qualify as flimsy evidence. I can't see anything here that's out of the ordinary from any random bad player.
On October 05 2010 19:53 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm : North America Your name : ZomgTossRush Hacker Name : KeepSeven Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87929-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns Description : The entire 22 minute game, has the perfect unit counters, yet never once scouts. Not once. Not scv scout, no xel naga hold, no scans. As in, at the end of the game, his minimap doesnt even show a peice of my creep. Yet has the perfect counter to all my attacks. And the fact that he doesnt quickly respond to my multiprong attacks, isn't evidence of not hacking, i really think he just is that bad. Considering his build order, terrible que'ing etc.
There's no evidence of hacking here either. There's no sign of maphacking (he only looks into the fog to move units there), so we're talking about some hypothetical hack that lets you see the enemy's unit production or something, if any.
His 'perfect counter' to 'all your attacks' consists of 1) Making marines and putting them into bunkers at his nat. Bunkered marines are a passable and standard defence to attacks from most early game units, let's face it, so if a terran plans to turtle, why on earth wouldn't he do that? You try running by with roaches and he perfectly counters by sending rines out of his bunker and then pulling workers to finish your roaches off when the rines get the crap kicked out of them. Just the way he planned it, no doubt. 2) Making two Thors that mildly hurt your mutalisks. He started making the second well after he saw the mutas. so he didn't even need to be sentient to keep making them after the first, and, umm, isn't making mutalisks a standard thing that Zergs do, and doesn't Thor do pretty well against those AND a lot of other Zerg units. I'd have thought any standard Terran ground army would have a couple of either Thors or tanks in support, and he picked Thors, possibly in part because any half-awake Starcraft player anticipates mid-game mutalisks when playing against Zerg. 3) Supporting a marine ball with a couple Thors and running them out of his base to get all the marines swiftly exterminated by your banelings, then running back home to lick his wounds. That's not MY idea of a perfect counter. Is it really yours? 4) Beating up on a standard mix of roach/ling coming out of a nydus in a conga line with his very standard mix of terran units. Ummmm .... then 5) Going out of his base with a mix of Marine/marauder/Medivac/Thor and beating up on anything he meets until you gg.
What part of that isn't just normal play from any still-breathing silver-level Terran? He was quite bad, he didn't scout, he just did standard cookie-cutter newbie-style play, and he still beat you. End of story. There's no need to invoke hacks to explain anything that went on in that game.
You do really need strong evidence before you accuse people of hacking. This replay doesn't even qualify as flimsy evidence. I can't see anything here that's out of the ordinary from any random bad player.
Thank for your input.
I guess my suspicion arises since at my play level, i have never see someone never scout. I expect that in the goldish leagues, but not when i'm around a 1500 random player. I expect players to scout, and then adjust, not just blindly make units, as he did this game. You show me a player who is above1 k elo and never scout at any point in any game, then I'll never post on this thread again.
I guess I can conclude, that this is proof for me, that terran is imbalanced vs zerg, or this guy is hacking. I can't fathom a high level diamond player being able to win without ever scouting.
I guess I can conclude, that this is proof for me, that terran is imbalanced vs zerg, or this guy is hacking. I can't fathom a high level diamond player being able to win without ever scouting.
Another possibility is that a high level diamond let a lower level player try out his account for this game.
I guess I can conclude, that this is proof for me, that terran is imbalanced vs zerg, or this guy is hacking. I can't fathom a high level diamond player being able to win without ever scouting.
Another possibility is that a high level diamond let a lower level player try out his account for this game.
and that lower level player beat a diamond level zerg. Could be possible with the diamond player standing behind him telling him what to do (like building supply depots/adding barracks)
On October 05 2010 19:53 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm : North America Your name : ZomgTossRush Hacker Name : KeepSeven Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87929-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns Description : The entire 22 minute game, has the perfect unit counters, yet never once scouts. Not once. Not scv scout, no xel naga hold, no scans. As in, at the end of the game, his minimap doesnt even show a peice of my creep. Yet has the perfect counter to all my attacks. And the fact that he doesnt quickly respond to my multiprong attacks, isn't evidence of not hacking, i really think he just is that bad. Considering his build order, terrible que'ing etc.
There's no evidence of hacking here either. There's no sign of maphacking (he only looks into the fog to move units there), so we're talking about some hypothetical hack that lets you see the enemy's unit production or something, if any.
His 'perfect counter' to 'all your attacks' consists of 1) Making marines and putting them into bunkers at his nat. Bunkered marines are a passable and standard defence to attacks from most early game units, let's face it, so if a terran plans to turtle, why on earth wouldn't he do that? You try running by with roaches and he perfectly counters by sending rines out of his bunker and then pulling workers to finish your roaches off when the rines get the crap kicked out of them. Just the way he planned it, no doubt. 2) Making two Thors that mildly hurt your mutalisks. He started making the second well after he saw the mutas. so he didn't even need to be sentient to keep making them after the first, and, umm, isn't making mutalisks a standard thing that Zergs do, and doesn't Thor do pretty well against those AND a lot of other Zerg units. I'd have thought any standard Terran ground army would have a couple of either Thors or tanks in support, and he picked Thors, possibly in part because any half-awake Starcraft player anticipates mid-game mutalisks when playing against Zerg. 3) Supporting a marine ball with a couple Thors and running them out of his base to get all the marines swiftly exterminated by your banelings, then running back home to lick his wounds. That's not MY idea of a perfect counter. Is it really yours? 4) Beating up on a standard mix of roach/ling coming out of a nydus in a conga line with his very standard mix of terran units. Ummmm .... then 5) Going out of his base with a mix of Marine/marauder/Medivac/Thor and beating up on anything he meets until you gg.
What part of that isn't just normal play from any still-breathing silver-level Terran? He was quite bad, he didn't scout, he just did standard cookie-cutter newbie-style play, and he still beat you. End of story. There's no need to invoke hacks to explain anything that went on in that game.
You do really need strong evidence before you accuse people of hacking. This replay doesn't even qualify as flimsy evidence. I can't see anything here that's out of the ordinary from any random bad player.
Thank for your input.
I guess my suspicion arises since at my play level, i have never see someone never scout. I expect that in the goldish leagues, but not when i'm around a 1500 random player. I expect players to scout, and then adjust, not just blindly make units, as he did this game. You show me a player who is above1 k elo and never scout at any point in any game, then I'll never post on this thread again.
I guess I can conclude, that this is proof for me, that terran is imbalanced vs zerg, or this guy is hacking. I can't fathom a high level diamond player being able to win without ever scouting.
Perhaps you should just watch your replays more than 1 time, before you jump on the OMG I LOST HES HACKING thing youve done the past 3? 4? replays youve uploaded.
Realm : North America Your name : ZomgTossRush Hacker Name : KeepSeven (again) Replay:http://www.mediafire.com/?lepofxzsj87qpzf
at exactly 1:12-1:15, he looks through the fog of war and sneaks a peek at my overlord(keep in mind im random). He moves just out of range, then catches a glimpse of the overlord shadow, as if he is trying to hide it. Play around with the vision and camera and you'll see what i mean.
Then right before he moves out, he clicks over to my natural, without ever scouting. Which is i guess understandable, since he actually just a moves over. But considering the 2 games i have played against him, its probably him just checking my spine crawler timing.
On October 03 2010 00:26 Corinthos wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Corinthos Hacker Name : Vis Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?l1o0sfcc9weicq8 Description : Dropped me as soon as I surround his zealots and kill the remaining stalker inside my base. I had a banshee and a 2nd one coming out still with several marines. Supply count is around the same, even or > than his. He did an all in 4 gate warp build and drop hacked me.
Obvious things to note : was able to re-connect to battle.net immediately was still on vent and msn internet was fine
B.net 2.0 is still buggy. I got dropped after I defended a 6 pool earlier this morning and would have called the zerg I was playing out for drop hacks but I decided not to since you can't tell if someone's drop hacking with a sample size of 1. I whispered him asking if he got dropped and he just told me that it had appeared as if I had left. I just congratulated him on his free points (not sarcastically), shrugged my shoulders and moved along. Yeah, it sucked, but there's nothing you can do, and you certainly can't anyone a drop hacker without very good evidence.
edit: here's the lovely conversation we had after that game.
Corinthos: reporting you for drop hack Corinthos has reconnected. Corinthos: what a lame noob You: lol sorry dude 4gate is too strong Corinthos: you dropped me You: ? Corinthos: using a hack You: no i didnt Corinthos: i defended it yes it dropped me out of battle.net You: if you say so Corinthos: nothing else disconnect still on vent still on msn very funny You: i got disconnected earlier too it's b.net duude Corinthos: what a trash hacker You: report me Corinthos: yeah how come no noe else dc right when i trap your zealot and kill your stalker i drop ? very funny trash You: lol boohoo Corinthos: haha pathetic there goes your $60 trash hacker You: you got me bro im a hacker Corinthos: np posting the game on tl You: k which section so i can see ? Corinthos: ill link you in 2 min You: k ty Corinthos: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151244¤tpage=9#161 Corinthos has reconnected. You: thank you
That looks really bad Corinthos. Getting dropped at an inopportune time is certainly not grounds for insta-hack blame...
Uh, how about you take this out of thet hread before i contact plexa or JWD and get bans brought down, this isnt for arguing over corinthos bming some other dude or whatever
EDIT : also fairly sure i have every report on pages 1-7 except jaeger, who ill watch in a moment. and ill try to get some of the ones on this page also
I don't understand what you mean. Isn't this thread open to discussion on whether or not there is actually evidence for hacking occurring? I agree with Solar. Getting dropped at an inopportune time is not necessarily evidence of hacking.
I got dropped the other day just before I pushed into my opponent's base for the kill. I thought for sure I was about to win, and watching the replay I think so too, but there's also no way the enemy knew he was about to lose, and no reason for him to drop me at that time.
Then I got dropped playing a UMS game abruptly the same way. It's clearly just B.Net.
Although, it's so abrupt and seemingly arbitrary, I can see how you might get fairly convinced that it was a drop hack, if you were just then in a commanding position in the game.
On October 07 2010 10:48 zomgtossrush wrote: Realm : North America Your name : ZomgTossRush Hacker Name : KeepSeven (again) Replay:http://www.mediafire.com/?lepofxzsj87qpzf
at exactly 1:12-1:15, he looks through the fog of war and sneaks a peek at my overlord(keep in mind im random). He moves just out of range, then catches a glimpse of the overlord shadow, as if he is trying to hide it. Play around with the vision and camera and you'll see what i mean.
Then right before he moves out, he clicks over to my natural, without ever scouting. Which is i guess understandable, since he actually just a moves over. But considering the 2 games i have played against him, its probably him just checking my spine crawler timing.
He didn't "just catch a glimpse" if he's on widescreen. I noticed your full overlord when I checked.
However, more importantly, if he was maphacking and you get zerg, he would see the creep on his map anyway and know exactly what race you are. Or he would see a bloody big blob floating out and know it's an overlord. This is all you have to support that this guy is "hacking" - at no other point does he suspiciously look at your base.
It sounds to me that you are just hurt that you lost to some Terran you assume is a noob twice. You are a very untrusting person, and the things you are accusing this player of are quite extreme really. I would be a lot more careful about jumping on the "OMG MAPHACK" train...
Furthermore, at 3:18 you do the same thing you "accuse" him of. So are you maphacking? Probably not, so stop reporting pointless things.
All replays from pages 1-8 are added, ill try to get to the ones here later
Also, take ZOMGtossrush as a warning, dont post obviously fake replays in this thread, one is bad but posting what 5? times is just stupid.
Also as drophacks are hard to confirm with the fact that bnet 2.0 is kinda..shitty, try to avoid posting those aswell, unless they are mapping or somethinglike that(basically idk how you would prove them)
me: xggamerx hacker:tripstar rep thread:http://uploading.com/files/a17f3e2c/suspicious%2Bpvt.SC2Replay/ Description : well i proxy him he saw my probe but he didnt see that i was making gateway in his base and he stright sent 3 scv together on gateways and then minute 8:08 when i sent my units to kill the rocks on his side he stright sent marines there and when i sent my units back to his choke and again without vision he sent his marines back to the choke! just very suspicious i belive this dude hacks so i just want you to check it out
That's only moderately suspicious at best. It's not implausible that he is a map hacker, but it's not definitive either. Almost everything you pointed out could be easily inferred, especially considering there were absolutely no feints. Anytime a player sees a probe disappear into their base without even attempting to scout around, it's not exactly uncanny to assume he may be proxying something. The only suspicious thing is the number of SCVs, which can be plausibly chalked up to it being an overreaction.
another thing when he went to kill my pylon at proxy with scv and marine and i sent my zealots to attack it he moved his scv asap as i was coming look just unvision him too.
Your probe got to his base while he was building a 10depot, a standard 9pylon probe scout would normally reach his base later AFAIK. His reaction with the 3 SCVs is most likely due to him suspecting cheese when seeing such an early probe in his main.
Realm : North America Your name : Elderbury Hacker Name : Lugert Replay : SC2S_2959_Lugert_vs_Elderbury_Lost_Temple.sc2replay Description : Not sure if this is a hack or not so thought I would seek the opinion of those more expert than I. I'm just a lowly bronze player who loses most of his matches, so I'm not complaining about that. But this guy immediately sent his SCV to my choke point at the beginning of the game so block my SCV from building a supply depot. Thing is, he never came into my base to see if I was there or not but just waited at the outside entrance. He never scouted any of the other possible starting locations. IF he had done this to all three possible starting locations, it could have been strategy. But why come to mine and wait for me without even scouting?
On October 11 2010 04:31 Elderbury wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Elderbury Hacker Name : Lugert Replay : SC2S_2959_Lugert_vs_Elderbury_Lost_Temple.sc2replay Description : Not sure if this is a hack or not so thought I would seek the opinion of those more expert than I. I'm just a lowly bronze player who loses most of his matches, so I'm not complaining about that. But this guy immediately sent his SCV to my choke point at the beginning of the game so block my SCV from building a supply depot. Thing is, he never came into my base to see if I was there or not but just waited at the outside entrance. He never scouted any of the other possible starting locations. IF he had done this to all three possible starting locations, it could have been strategy. But why come to mine and wait for me without even scouting?
It's hard to tell. The SCV movement on it's own isn't much evidence, since it could be that he got lucky picking the first base to scout, and moved the worker to the front door with the intention of scouting further into the base when he next got round to moving it, but when your SCV came out to build your depot, then the scout accomplished it's mission.
There are three suspicious peeps into your base from the first person view, those at 2:32, 2:42 and 4:04. It's possible he was maphacking, but the explanation for the 2:32 peep might be that he wanted to remind himself of the placement of your buildings. I can't think of any real reason for the other two peeps.
He doesn't do anything else that looks like maphacking, partly because he doesn't appear to check the minimap often enough (doesn't see your forces charging the front door, for instance), and partly because you didn't expo or park units somewhere where it would have been obvious if he suddenly checked them out through fog.
So there's some suspicious behaviour, but not enough for me to say for sure one way or another if he's cheating.
On October 11 2010 04:31 Elderbury wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Elderbury Hacker Name : Lugert Replay : SC2S_2959_Lugert_vs_Elderbury_Lost_Temple.sc2replay Description : Not sure if this is a hack or not so thought I would seek the opinion of those more expert than I. I'm just a lowly bronze player who loses most of his matches, so I'm not complaining about that. But this guy immediately sent his SCV to my choke point at the beginning of the game so block my SCV from building a supply depot. Thing is, he never came into my base to see if I was there or not but just waited at the outside entrance. He never scouted any of the other possible starting locations. IF he had done this to all three possible starting locations, it could have been strategy. But why come to mine and wait for me without even scouting?
It's hard to tell. The SCV movement on it's own isn't much evidence, since it could be that he got lucky picking the first base to scout, and moved the worker to the front door with the intention of scouting further into the base when he next got round to moving it, but when your SCV came out to build your depot, then the scout accomplished it's mission.
There are three suspicious peeps into your base from the first person view, those at 2:32, 2:42 and 4:04. It's possible he was maphacking, but the explanation for the 2:32 peep might be that he wanted to remind himself of the placement of your buildings. I can't think of any real reason for the other two peeps.
He doesn't do anything else that looks like maphacking, partly because he doesn't appear to check the minimap often enough (doesn't see your forces charging the front door, for instance), and partly because you didn't expo or park units somewhere where it would have been obvious if he suddenly checked them out through fog.
So there's some suspicious behaviour, but not enough for me to say for sure one way or another if he's cheating.
i really agree with Aim Here here. just went over that replay since i got a lil bit of time... and assuming that he's also a bronze player or something, i would say it's pretty obvious that he is not map hacking because i see many of my opponents pretty much acting the same way..even on higher leagues... the scv was only a thing of lucky timing and the reason why he didn't go for any other locations for scouting is just that he went for one of the two routes you usually go for on this map...and he just picked the lucky one the three views on 2.32, 2.42 and 4.04 were all initally at different locations of your base which he discovered with his scv but he didn't really pay attention which building they exactly were when he scouted you because you harassed his scouting scv and he went for some macro moves insted of really microing his scv out of trouble...so he just made sure what exactly he was scouting... and as Aim Here already said the other stuff doesn't really show anthing that might be suspicous...
On October 03 2010 23:26 Cataphract wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Cataphract Hacker Name : Jcizzler Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?0gdt89ixatwdcex Description : 8 Rax 9 Refinery build for reapers. I was able to stop it after losing like 10 probes. Obvious things to note : Set his barrack rally point just outside my base without scouting on Lost Temple. Only used scan to gain vision of the high ground before he attacked.
Watched this replay from his perspective. No chance he was hacking.
He scouted with his reaper (normal), and scouted you first at the close air position. Totally normal. Not sure what your point is about the scan... he already saw all the stuff in your main with his reapers, he just needed vision to shoot up and not walk into any bad situations.
On October 04 2010 00:42 Hister wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Hister.526 Hacker Name : ssamjang.390 Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87293-1v1-terran-zerg-blistering-sands#rd:undefined;markup Description : I usually don't report hackers but this 1500 point diamond hacker went to far cutting off zerglings scouts with marines by running across map looking at my base in fog dozens of times never scanning juking my units with his drop ships across map and even running away from me in my own base was just such a obvious hack. Obvious things to note : Never scanned me once, cuts off my zergling scouts he sent units at bottom of the map to the top prefect timing. You can just tell hes hacking the 2 major hacking points that won the game for him though were the drop ships juking me no vision of my units and his mass mmm tank ball kept going back and froth dodging me with out vision between my ramp and expo was just to prefect for a scrub like him.
Tend to agree that this one is a hacker. LOTS of peeks at the zerg main throughout the early game, plus really unlikely reactions to lings that were not in vision yet. best examples: 5:18 a zergling scout comes out of the zerg nat, four marines stop shooting rocks and instantly a-move at the ling. They go back to the rocks, leaving no plausible reason for the foray (other than seeing the ling). 6:20 a ling scout moves out along a northern path. Marines which are moving towards the barracks rally point southerly again react without vision. The marines do not take a watchtower or do anything to justify having pulled them off the rally point.
This combined with really fishy army movements (but horrible unit control) lead me to believe ssamjang is in fact a hacker.
On October 05 2010 03:20 Flyingdutchman wrote: Realm : EU Your name : Swiminzerg & Wowsukz Hacker Names : Antimatter.628 & Jigzaw.302 Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87759-2v2-protoss-zerg-tempest Description : PP v ZZ on Tempest, they rush lings without scouting. So I check replay and see one of them rally his hatch to our base even before building his pool or any form of scouting. Jigzaw even follows our probes that go build our initial pilons, i.e. looking at us through FOW
I'm not able to view this replay, not sure why... when I try, I get a black screen with a SC2 mouse cursor.
Realm : Europe Your name : Thunderfist Hacker Name : raiN Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?2ujklsdlw0th4p0 Description : Watching into fog of war that wasnt uncovered for him right from the beginning. Game lagged at the beginning and end what meant he was turning on and off his cheat. Obvious things to note : Blind countering, constantly watching where my army is in fog.
On October 07 2010 17:22 arb wrote: All replays from pages 1-8 are added, ill try to get to the ones here later
Also, take ZOMGtossrush as a warning, dont post obviously fake replays in this thread, one is bad but posting what 5? times is just stupid.
Also as drophacks are hard to confirm with the fact that bnet 2.0 is kinda..shitty, try to avoid posting those aswell, unless they are mapping or somethinglike that(basically idk how you would prove them)
for the record, i have only posted suspecting 3 players, and this is after i have about 1200 1v1 games.
Thanks for all the ppl who said i posted 5 and was constantly posting, got a ban because you didn't get your facts straight :/
This thread needs to be edited. So that there is some sort of guidelines of what is suscipion, and what isn't. Because there is not set rules of what can/can't be posted. I saw a guy looking through the fog of war at the start of the round, and i suspected. Apparently I was incorrect suspecting maphacks using that as evidence.
Mods, maybe you can discuss more clearly what is accepted for posts so I don't get confused again.
On October 23 2010 07:09 Thunderfist wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : Thunderfist Hacker Name : raiN Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?2ujklsdlw0th4p0 Description : Watching into fog of war that wasnt uncovered for him right from the beginning. Game lagged at the beginning and end what meant he was turning on and off his cheat. Obvious things to note : Blind countering, constantly watching where my army is in fog.
Saw zero evidence of hacking here. -Watching into fog of war that wasnt uncovered for him right from the beginning He looked at your base once within the first 20 seconds of the game. -Blind countering It was a mirror matchup, you both had similar army comps, so not sure what you're talking about. -constantly watching where my army is in fog I never saw this happen during the game.
Unless you uploaded the wrong replay(?), i don't think you understand what to look for to detect a maphack. In my opinion, you should be very careful about accusing people of hacking, when in this case you were simply outplayed (he had at least 10 more workers by the 12 minute mark, you did not have an expo and had not even saturated your main base!)
On October 07 2010 17:22 arb wrote: All replays from pages 1-8 are added, ill try to get to the ones here later
Also, take ZOMGtossrush as a warning, dont post obviously fake replays in this thread, one is bad but posting what 5? times is just stupid.
Also as drophacks are hard to confirm with the fact that bnet 2.0 is kinda..shitty, try to avoid posting those aswell, unless they are mapping or somethinglike that(basically idk how you would prove them)
for the record, i have only posted suspecting 3 players, and this is after i have about 1200 1v1 games.
Thanks for all the ppl who said i posted 5 and was constantly posting, got a ban because you didn't get your facts straight :/
This thread needs to be edited. So that there is some sort of guidelines of what is suscipion, and what isn't. Because there is not set rules of what can/can't be posted. I saw a guy looking through the fog of war at the start of the round, and i suspected. Apparently I was incorrect suspecting maphacks using that as evidence.
Mods, maybe you can discuss more clearly what is accepted for posts so I don't get confused again.
You accused KeepSeven twice, total of four accusations. And every single one of your accusations was completely unfounded, not even suspicious. And you had several silly defensive posts about your accusations, one of which you got warned for.
What is truly ironic, is that you now accuse the reviewers in this thread of being the reason you got banned. You got banned for what is essentially libel, false accusations and slander, and you respond by coming back to this thread and accusing even more.
You need to accept the fact that you get outplayed sometimes, and that is was your own fault you got banned. You are the only person who fails to see it that way, so either accept the facts or else decide that this thread is not the right place to solve your 'hacker problems'.
On October 07 2010 17:22 arb wrote: All replays from pages 1-8 are added, ill try to get to the ones here later
Also, take ZOMGtossrush as a warning, dont post obviously fake replays in this thread, one is bad but posting what 5? times is just stupid.
Also as drophacks are hard to confirm with the fact that bnet 2.0 is kinda..shitty, try to avoid posting those aswell, unless they are mapping or somethinglike that(basically idk how you would prove them)
for the record, i have only posted suspecting 3 players, and this is after i have about 1200 1v1 games.
Thanks for all the ppl who said i posted 5 and was constantly posting, got a ban because you didn't get your facts straight :/
This thread needs to be edited. So that there is some sort of guidelines of what is suscipion, and what isn't. Because there is not set rules of what can/can't be posted. I saw a guy looking through the fog of war at the start of the round, and i suspected. Apparently I was incorrect suspecting maphacks using that as evidence.
Mods, maybe you can discuss more clearly what is accepted for posts so I don't get confused again.
You accused KeepSeven twice, total of four accusations. And every single one of your accusations was completely unfounded, not even suspicious. And you had several silly defensive posts about your accusations, one of which you got warned for.
What is truly ironic, is that you now accuse the reviewers in this thread of being the reason you got banned. You got banned for what is essentially libel, false accusations and slander, and you respond by coming back to this thread and accusing even more.
You need to accept the fact that you get outplayed sometimes, and that is was your own fault you got banned. You are the only person who fails to see it that way, so either accept the facts or else decide that this thread is not the right place to solve your 'hacker problems'.
All i did was post that I thought ppl were hacking. Isn't that what this thread is for? I can be wrong or right, but i had suspicion. Maybe my suspicion weren't solid enough, in which you can tell me so. As i suggested, there should be some sort of basic guidelines for what is possible evidence for hacking.
That is all.
When 3-4 posters are(implying) saying I am spamming this thread with all of my loses and start attacking me that I can't handle loses, its pretty fucking demeaning. You don't know me. Why would you take things to a personal level?
Like i was trying to defend myself, pre-ban. I have well over 1000 games played. I think its reasonable to think that of those 1k plus games someone might be hacking. And clearly with my now 600+ loses, i don't rage and just post every lose on this thread like you are trying to convince ppl i do.
I never have/tried to "fuck with this thread" as the mods claim I have tried. I just have some replays where ppl look through the fog. If there are any more clearcut ways to detect hackers, i would love to know, honestly, hence the request for a more indepth OP. Because even if i meet a player who stares at my base more than his own, and want to post that, I am afraid to because in my experience, its "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban."
I love tl, and the mods, but I think some of the users are simply immature(like you). And when these users throw personal insults me for my suspiciousness, its pretty bm. I don't see other ppl on this thread get chastised for "getting it wrong," as so many ppl/mods have done to me.
Realm : Europe Your name : CptThule Hacker Name : Ugulup.772 Replay : http://rapidshare.com/files/426742425/cheater.SC2Replay Description : Its a TvP match,i was doing the iechoic build,and he knew exactly when my medvac would reach his base and at what angle. He then started chasing it around the map even thought he couldnt normally know where my medvac was.(his observer was with his army) Obvious things to note : After watching the replay from his point of view,i noticed him looking at my base throught the fog of war multiple times. The medvac chase was pretty funny thought,and i still managed to drop him.:p
He later told me this was a smurf account and that his previous account(top diamond ranked)was banned due to complains about spamming/flaming(yeah right..)
also,searching google for ugulup i found his previous account (diamond) that propably was banned(last played game 3 weeks ago) and bans from other games like badcompany2. He seems to be using hacks everywhere and always..
On October 24 2010 02:08 CptThule wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : CptThule Hacker Name : Ugulup Replay : http://rapidshare.com/files/426742425/cheater.SC2Replay Description : Its a TvP match,i was doing the iechoic build,and he knew exactly when my medvac would reach his base and at what angle. He then started chasing it around the map even thought he couldnt normally know where my medvac was.(his observer was with his army) Obvious things to note : After watching the replay from his point of view,i noticed him looking at my base throught the fog of war multiple times. The medvac chase was pretty funny thought,and i still managed to drop him.:p
He later told me this was a smurf account and that his previous account(top diamond ranked)was banned due to complains about spamming/flaming(yeah right..)
Yay first post! So yeah, this does look like maphacks. The more damning evidence is the frequent looks through the fog... In the early game, your hacker does a great job reacting to the minimap and not constantly looking through the fog, but by 15 minutes, he seems to give up on that and just looks.
5:30 looking at base 13:12 looking at army in fog 16:00 finds the dropship 16:18 looks at MM force under fog 16:38 looking at MM again 18:36 looks at marine controlling XNT several times from 16:00 to 20:00 looking at army at terran nat 20:30 inspects entire terran army/base 23:10 more inspection of the army/nat
so yeah, after 16 minutes or so he is constantly looking at your base, nat, and army under fog.
Good job beating him though! btw, please please make sure you add the character code to your post.
On October 07 2010 17:22 arb wrote: All replays from pages 1-8 are added, ill try to get to the ones here later
Also, take ZOMGtossrush as a warning, dont post obviously fake replays in this thread, one is bad but posting what 5? times is just stupid.
Also as drophacks are hard to confirm with the fact that bnet 2.0 is kinda..shitty, try to avoid posting those aswell, unless they are mapping or somethinglike that(basically idk how you would prove them)
for the record, i have only posted suspecting 3 players, and this is after i have about 1200 1v1 games.
Thanks for all the ppl who said i posted 5 and was constantly posting, got a ban because you didn't get your facts straight :/
This thread needs to be edited. So that there is some sort of guidelines of what is suscipion, and what isn't. Because there is not set rules of what can/can't be posted. I saw a guy looking through the fog of war at the start of the round, and i suspected. Apparently I was incorrect suspecting maphacks using that as evidence.
Mods, maybe you can discuss more clearly what is accepted for posts so I don't get confused again.
You accused KeepSeven twice, total of four accusations. And every single one of your accusations was completely unfounded, not even suspicious. And you had several silly defensive posts about your accusations, one of which you got warned for.
What is truly ironic, is that you now accuse the reviewers in this thread of being the reason you got banned. You got banned for what is essentially libel, false accusations and slander, and you respond by coming back to this thread and accusing even more.
You need to accept the fact that you get outplayed sometimes, and that is was your own fault you got banned. You are the only person who fails to see it that way, so either accept the facts or else decide that this thread is not the right place to solve your 'hacker problems'.
All i did was post that I thought ppl were hacking. Isn't that what this thread is for? I can be wrong or right, but i had suspicion. Maybe my suspicion weren't solid enough, in which you can tell me so. As i suggested, there should be some sort of basic guidelines for what is possible evidence for hacking.
That is all.
When 3-4 posters are(implying) saying I am spamming this thread with all of my loses and start attacking me that I can't handle loses, its pretty fucking demeaning. You don't know me. Why would you take things to a personal level?
Like i was trying to defend myself, pre-ban. I have well over 1000 games played. I think its reasonable to think that of those 1k plus games someone might be hacking. And clearly with my now 600+ loses, i don't rage and just post every lose on this thread like you are trying to convince ppl i do.
I never have/tried to "fuck with this thread" as the mods claim I have tried. I just have some replays where ppl look through the fog. If there are any more clearcut ways to detect hackers, i would love to know, honestly, hence the request for a more indepth OP. Because even if i meet a player who stares at my base more than his own, and want to post that, I am afraid to because in my experience, its "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban."
I love tl, and the mods, but I think some of the users are simply immature(like you). And when these users throw personal insults me for my suspiciousness, its pretty bm. I don't see other ppl on this thread get chastised for "getting it wrong," as so many ppl/mods have done to me.
Can't we all just get along?
I would like to get along. That's why I did my absolute best not to use insults or demeaning language.
The issue is not that everyone in this thread decided "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban." The issue is that there needs to be some evidence, any evidence at all of hacking in the replays you submit. If you are genuinely unable to see that your hacking reports were frivolous, I suggest you take a look at replays of confirmed hackers (there are plenty in this thread) to get a feel for it.
On October 25 2010 07:25 aidnai wrote: Hacker confirmation Ugulup + Show Spoiler +
On October 24 2010 02:08 CptThule wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : CptThule Hacker Name : Ugulup Replay : http://rapidshare.com/files/426742425/cheater.SC2Replay Description : Its a TvP match,i was doing the iechoic build,and he knew exactly when my medvac would reach his base and at what angle. He then started chasing it around the map even thought he couldnt normally know where my medvac was.(his observer was with his army) Obvious things to note : After watching the replay from his point of view,i noticed him looking at my base throught the fog of war multiple times. The medvac chase was pretty funny thought,and i still managed to drop him.:p
He later told me this was a smurf account and that his previous account(top diamond ranked)was banned due to complains about spamming/flaming(yeah right..)
Yay first post! So yeah, this does look like maphacks. The more damning evidence is the frequent looks through the fog... In the early game, your hacker does a great job reacting to the minimap and not constantly looking through the fog, but by 15 minutes, he seems to give up on that and just looks.
5:30 looking at base 13:12 looking at army in fog 16:00 finds the dropship 16:18 looks at MM force under fog 16:38 looking at MM again 18:36 looks at marine controlling XNT several times from 16:00 to 20:00 looking at army at terran nat 20:30 inspects entire terran army/base 23:10 more inspection of the army/nat
so yeah, after 16 minutes or so he is constantly looking at your base, nat, and army under fog.
Good job beating him though! btw, please please make sure you add the character code to your post.
On October 07 2010 17:22 arb wrote: All replays from pages 1-8 are added, ill try to get to the ones here later
Also, take ZOMGtossrush as a warning, dont post obviously fake replays in this thread, one is bad but posting what 5? times is just stupid.
Also as drophacks are hard to confirm with the fact that bnet 2.0 is kinda..shitty, try to avoid posting those aswell, unless they are mapping or somethinglike that(basically idk how you would prove them)
for the record, i have only posted suspecting 3 players, and this is after i have about 1200 1v1 games.
Thanks for all the ppl who said i posted 5 and was constantly posting, got a ban because you didn't get your facts straight :/
This thread needs to be edited. So that there is some sort of guidelines of what is suscipion, and what isn't. Because there is not set rules of what can/can't be posted. I saw a guy looking through the fog of war at the start of the round, and i suspected. Apparently I was incorrect suspecting maphacks using that as evidence.
Mods, maybe you can discuss more clearly what is accepted for posts so I don't get confused again.
You accused KeepSeven twice, total of four accusations. And every single one of your accusations was completely unfounded, not even suspicious. And you had several silly defensive posts about your accusations, one of which you got warned for.
What is truly ironic, is that you now accuse the reviewers in this thread of being the reason you got banned. You got banned for what is essentially libel, false accusations and slander, and you respond by coming back to this thread and accusing even more.
You need to accept the fact that you get outplayed sometimes, and that is was your own fault you got banned. You are the only person who fails to see it that way, so either accept the facts or else decide that this thread is not the right place to solve your 'hacker problems'.
All i did was post that I thought ppl were hacking. Isn't that what this thread is for? I can be wrong or right, but i had suspicion. Maybe my suspicion weren't solid enough, in which you can tell me so. As i suggested, there should be some sort of basic guidelines for what is possible evidence for hacking.
That is all.
When 3-4 posters are(implying) saying I am spamming this thread with all of my loses and start attacking me that I can't handle loses, its pretty fucking demeaning. You don't know me. Why would you take things to a personal level?
Like i was trying to defend myself, pre-ban. I have well over 1000 games played. I think its reasonable to think that of those 1k plus games someone might be hacking. And clearly with my now 600+ loses, i don't rage and just post every lose on this thread like you are trying to convince ppl i do.
I never have/tried to "fuck with this thread" as the mods claim I have tried. I just have some replays where ppl look through the fog. If there are any more clearcut ways to detect hackers, i would love to know, honestly, hence the request for a more indepth OP. Because even if i meet a player who stares at my base more than his own, and want to post that, I am afraid to because in my experience, its "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban."
I love tl, and the mods, but I think some of the users are simply immature(like you). And when these users throw personal insults me for my suspiciousness, its pretty bm. I don't see other ppl on this thread get chastised for "getting it wrong," as so many ppl/mods have done to me.
Can't we all just get along?
I would like to get along. That's why I did my absolute best not to use insults or demeaning language.
The issue is not that everyone in this thread decided "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban." The issue is that there needs to be some evidence, any evidence at all of hacking in the replays you submit. If you are genuinely unable to see that your hacking reports were frivolous, I suggest you take a look at replays of confirmed hackers (there are plenty in this thread) to get a feel for it.
How about instead of responding we keep read the OP, and keep talk on replays and not on his false accusations(which i dont particularly care about) and ill probably update this after i get back from work tonight,(by tonight i mean in 13 hours ~_~)
However, if you want to come up with a list of things not to submit(for replays that are clearly false) like you suggested earlier that would be great!
at 14 minutes he goes around the map and snipes the overlords I have at each expansion, every time I try to expand to a third he sends his entire army at exactly that time to take it out, He never builds an observer or a robotics facility for that matter, when I push at his third he sends units to protect it before he sees my army coming.
All of these things could be explained by him being an excelent player, but he also did a bunch f really stupid things and he only had 70 APM so I was hoping some of you guys would want to look at the replay and tell me what you think
at 14 minutes he goes around the map and snipes the overlords I have at each expansion, every time I try to expand to a third he sends his entire army at exactly that time to take it out, He never builds an observer or a robotics facility for that matter, when I push at his third he sends units to protect it before he sees my army coming.
All of these things could be explained by him being an excelent player, but he also did a bunch f really stupid things and he only had 70 APM so I was hoping some of you guys would want to look at the replay and tell me what you think
1400 diamond BTW
Hey didn't have time to watch the whole thing as thoroughly as I would have liked, however, just watching the first 2 mins, he constantly looks at your base through fog. Very suspicious to start for me.
After that I agree about the bases. His timing on the pushes could have been perfect, and the overlords he could have genuinely done that in any game. But combine them both, with the opening 2 mins and the fact that at about err I think it was 16 mins he looks at your army of hydra ling through fog then back to base. And constant fog looking really.
Anyway, hacker for me. Will try to write more when I get home though.
: Realm : North America Your name : Pandain Hacker Name : YOSHI Replay : Hmm... is there a place to upload replays without having to register somewhere? Description : This guy didn't do anything abnormal, at first. He was just doing a failed proxy. Then after it fails, and when its obvious im going to win, he pauses. Then iw ait a while, being nice and all. Then, when i try to unpause, it just leaves me with the screen "options" and "score screen". When I'm forced to press score screen, it says the game isn't recorded. Wth?
On October 26 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote: : Realm : North America Your name : Pandain Hacker Name : YOSHI Replay : Hmm... is there a place to upload replays without having to register somewhere? Description : This guy didn't do anything abnormal, at first. He was just doing a failed proxy. Then after it fails, and when its obvious im going to win, he pauses. Then iw ait a while, being nice and all. Then, when i try to unpause, it just leaves me with the screen "options" and "score screen". When I'm forced to press score screen, it says the game isn't recorded. Wth?
1) drophacks are not really provable based on one game (need a match history showing 100% win ratio, multiple dropped games, all games under 6 minutes, or something similar) 2) replay is required 3) character code is required
If you want this complaint to be taken seriously, you need to fix all three.
On October 25 2010 07:25 aidnai wrote: Hacker confirmation Ugulup + Show Spoiler +
On October 24 2010 02:08 CptThule wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : CptThule Hacker Name : Ugulup Replay : http://rapidshare.com/files/426742425/cheater.SC2Replay Description : Its a TvP match,i was doing the iechoic build,and he knew exactly when my medvac would reach his base and at what angle. He then started chasing it around the map even thought he couldnt normally know where my medvac was.(his observer was with his army) Obvious things to note : After watching the replay from his point of view,i noticed him looking at my base throught the fog of war multiple times. The medvac chase was pretty funny thought,and i still managed to drop him.:p
He later told me this was a smurf account and that his previous account(top diamond ranked)was banned due to complains about spamming/flaming(yeah right..)
Yay first post! So yeah, this does look like maphacks. The more damning evidence is the frequent looks through the fog... In the early game, your hacker does a great job reacting to the minimap and not constantly looking through the fog, but by 15 minutes, he seems to give up on that and just looks.
5:30 looking at base 13:12 looking at army in fog 16:00 finds the dropship 16:18 looks at MM force under fog 16:38 looking at MM again 18:36 looks at marine controlling XNT several times from 16:00 to 20:00 looking at army at terran nat 20:30 inspects entire terran army/base 23:10 more inspection of the army/nat
so yeah, after 16 minutes or so he is constantly looking at your base, nat, and army under fog.
Good job beating him though! btw, please please make sure you add the character code to your post.
On October 07 2010 17:22 arb wrote: All replays from pages 1-8 are added, ill try to get to the ones here later
Also, take ZOMGtossrush as a warning, dont post obviously fake replays in this thread, one is bad but posting what 5? times is just stupid.
Also as drophacks are hard to confirm with the fact that bnet 2.0 is kinda..shitty, try to avoid posting those aswell, unless they are mapping or somethinglike that(basically idk how you would prove them)
for the record, i have only posted suspecting 3 players, and this is after i have about 1200 1v1 games.
Thanks for all the ppl who said i posted 5 and was constantly posting, got a ban because you didn't get your facts straight :/
This thread needs to be edited. So that there is some sort of guidelines of what is suscipion, and what isn't. Because there is not set rules of what can/can't be posted. I saw a guy looking through the fog of war at the start of the round, and i suspected. Apparently I was incorrect suspecting maphacks using that as evidence.
Mods, maybe you can discuss more clearly what is accepted for posts so I don't get confused again.
You accused KeepSeven twice, total of four accusations. And every single one of your accusations was completely unfounded, not even suspicious. And you had several silly defensive posts about your accusations, one of which you got warned for.
What is truly ironic, is that you now accuse the reviewers in this thread of being the reason you got banned. You got banned for what is essentially libel, false accusations and slander, and you respond by coming back to this thread and accusing even more.
You need to accept the fact that you get outplayed sometimes, and that is was your own fault you got banned. You are the only person who fails to see it that way, so either accept the facts or else decide that this thread is not the right place to solve your 'hacker problems'.
All i did was post that I thought ppl were hacking. Isn't that what this thread is for? I can be wrong or right, but i had suspicion. Maybe my suspicion weren't solid enough, in which you can tell me so. As i suggested, there should be some sort of basic guidelines for what is possible evidence for hacking.
That is all.
When 3-4 posters are(implying) saying I am spamming this thread with all of my loses and start attacking me that I can't handle loses, its pretty fucking demeaning. You don't know me. Why would you take things to a personal level?
Like i was trying to defend myself, pre-ban. I have well over 1000 games played. I think its reasonable to think that of those 1k plus games someone might be hacking. And clearly with my now 600+ loses, i don't rage and just post every lose on this thread like you are trying to convince ppl i do.
I never have/tried to "fuck with this thread" as the mods claim I have tried. I just have some replays where ppl look through the fog. If there are any more clearcut ways to detect hackers, i would love to know, honestly, hence the request for a more indepth OP. Because even if i meet a player who stares at my base more than his own, and want to post that, I am afraid to because in my experience, its "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban."
I love tl, and the mods, but I think some of the users are simply immature(like you). And when these users throw personal insults me for my suspiciousness, its pretty bm. I don't see other ppl on this thread get chastised for "getting it wrong," as so many ppl/mods have done to me.
Can't we all just get along?
I would like to get along. That's why I did my absolute best not to use insults or demeaning language.
The issue is not that everyone in this thread decided "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban." The issue is that there needs to be some evidence, any evidence at all of hacking in the replays you submit. If you are genuinely unable to see that your hacking reports were frivolous, I suggest you take a look at replays of confirmed hackers (there are plenty in this thread) to get a feel for it.
How about instead of responding we keep read the OP, and keep talk on replays and not on his false accusations(which i dont particularly care about) and ill probably update this after i get back from work tonight,(by tonight i mean in 13 hours ~_~)
However, if you want to come up with a list of things not to submit(for replays that are clearly false) like you suggested earlier that would be great!
Aye aye, cap'n. (actually it was zomgtossrush that suggested a list of what not to submit, I think it should be obvious, but w/e).
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move)
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though.
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there.
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.)
Weak evidence for hacks (i.e. not enough evidence by themselves):
Proxying the correct location without scouting.
Anticipating drops/muta timing/DT's/VR's/backstabs etc. Some people just take these things into account in their normal build order.
Unit composition/blind counters. It could very easily be dumb luck that your opponent went VR's without scouting when you went pure marauder. Or whatever.
One or two glances at your main under fog. Everyone does this normally (at least I do), to remember what building they scouted, or to send a scout, or to feel more confident about the map/walloff position/whatever. If you're on a 4 player map and your opponent only looks at your main (before scouting), then that's evidence, but occasionally glancing can be normal too.
Not evidence for hacks:
Losing to someone with lower APM
Getting dropped by b.net when you were winning
Perfect timing with a push. A hallmark of high level play is well timed pushes, catching you when you are teching or expanding and are vulnerable. By itself this is not evidence.
(I'm not trying to piss you off by using you as an example, zomgtossrush, I just want to make it explicit that the sort of thing you used for those replays is not even weak evidence of hacks).
If your replay doesn't contain some hard evidence, don't start slandering the player who beat you. Even if a replay contained every single piece of 'weak' evidence I listed, I wouldn't consider that to be enough evidence to put the player on the confirmed hacker list. Suspicious, yes, but not confirmable. (maybe with multiple replays..dunno)
The point of this thread is not to discuss what is and what isn't evidence of hacking, so please don't start replying to this with your own ideas. If Arb or any mods have a problem with my standards for evidence, I will be happy to change this list (I'm just a random guy afterall). If anyone else has a issue, PM me and I'll consider what you say. Lets keep this thread for its original purpose--reporting hackers.
On October 05 2010 03:20 Flyingdutchman wrote: Realm : EU Your name : Swiminzerg & Wowsukz Hacker Names : Antimatter.628 & Jigzaw.302 Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87759-2v2-protoss-zerg-tempest Description : PP v ZZ on Tempest, they rush lings without scouting. So I check replay and see one of them rally his hatch to our base even before building his pool or any form of scouting. Jigzaw even follows our probes that go build our initial pilons, i.e. looking at us through FOW
I'm not able to view this replay, not sure why... when I try, I get a black screen with a SC2 mouse cursor.
that is pretty weird, did you watch it in the latest patch with the sc2loader? (double clicking the replay file I mean) Maybe that could be the problem, since it is a game from the previous patch. In any case, it was a very short game so maybe it was just dumb luck, although I cheked their history and it was basically all they did, they won on maps with multiple spawnlocations and lost on the 2v2 maps with fixed spawn locations, usually by beating one player and then getting stomped by the other. I've reported them ingame to blizzard, if they really were hacking and get banned it would be nice, but otherwise meh, life goes on
Realm : NA Your name : StorrZerg.412 Hacker Name : Athena.392 Replay : http://rapidshare.com/files/427691167/Storr_vs_odd_player.SC2Replay Description : PvP On LT He said he had an aka but hes lvling his friends acct. When i lost i assumed i was just terrible (i still think i am) but i noticed many things really really fishy
Ok starts off with him doing korean warp gate. No scout, sends scout straight to my base as tech almost finishes and plants a pylon. I kill pylon preventing the rush. I go for void rays since we are close positions. His army soon moves back and hes expanded. He has stalkers out when i arrive so i retreat and try to sneak an expo (note he sees my probe move out) Shortly after void ray repealed he sends 3 zealots to my nexus thats warping in. (he attacks straight to it)
I go to save the expansion and his army moves towards my expo as well (he has no map control this game) I save my expo and ff ramp to save my army he retreats. He sends his entire army soon after to kill my hidden expo, i move to counter him, he moves back before i engage him or even finishing my nexus off.
Again this whole time hes got great "decision making" with no map control.
There were like 3 moves that seemed.....really like, 1 in every 50 games it'll happen.
I mean first things first obviously scouting an expo that JUST started ubilding is like wow, how'd you see that coming when you're 4 gating someone who's natural reaction should be to tech, not sneak an expo cross map. K thats weird, but slightly excusable in saying "well he just got lucky"
Then theres the fact that he never scouted tech the whole game but felt confident enough to go zealot sentry stalker instead of a more safe 4 gate in that you want to be able to have a unit that can do well against everything, ie: more stalker heavy. K thats slightly excusable, maybe he's jsut bad
THE FISHIEST PART ABOUT THAT REPLAY., and you can ask storr, i originally was saying that this dude didn't hack it was just a bad player/luck, and you'd need 10 replays to prove anything
check around 13:45. Athena pushes into storr's watch tower with stalkers and sees storr pull back, then Athena uses his units to kill that expansion at 9 o clock.
Why, at about 14:45 does Athena pull his whole army killing that 9 o clock back to his main? He has a free, undefended expansion to be killing at 9 o clock, and he just pushed Storr back to his choke, there is zero reason to assume that storr is going to be counter pushing up Athena's own choke at that point, yet he gets his force at 9 o clock to perfect engage storrs army between storr's choke and the watch tower at just the right time?
Sorry, that last play seemed way too suspicious to me, there are 3 plays in this game that dont' seem reasonable but thats the biggest one for me.
I can't say 100% he's a hacker but to pull stupid plays like that, just seems weird.
Put this dude under suspicious as fuck, and especially as someone who streams on TL thats pretty messed up to pull.
Check the 18 minute m ark also, EXACT smae thing happens, he's shooting down a free xpo, its at like 100 hp and he pulls back just at the right time to defend? no thats a load of shit, everyone kills that expo in that situation, there was no ping on the mini map saying he's under attack, and there was only one flicker of a phoenix (which you would assume is for harass, not an attack) on the minimap, and he doesn't even SEE the phoenix, he pulls back.
This is getting closer and closer to 100%, and if its true he should have his stream revoked etc. from TL. Just disgraceful.
On October 26 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote: : Realm : North America Your name : Pandain Hacker Name : YOSHI Replay : Hmm... is there a place to upload replays without having to register somewhere? Description : This guy didn't do anything abnormal, at first. He was just doing a failed proxy. Then after it fails, and when its obvious im going to win, he pauses. Then iw ait a while, being nice and all. Then, when i try to unpause, it just leaves me with the screen "options" and "score screen". When I'm forced to press score screen, it says the game isn't recorded. Wth?
1) drophacks are not really provable based on one game (need a match history showing 100% win ratio, multiple dropped games, all games under 6 minutes, or something similar) 2) replay is required 3) character code is required
If you want this complaint to be taken seriously, you need to fix all three.
On October 25 2010 07:25 aidnai wrote: Hacker confirmation Ugulup + Show Spoiler +
On October 24 2010 02:08 CptThule wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : CptThule Hacker Name : Ugulup Replay : http://rapidshare.com/files/426742425/cheater.SC2Replay Description : Its a TvP match,i was doing the iechoic build,and he knew exactly when my medvac would reach his base and at what angle. He then started chasing it around the map even thought he couldnt normally know where my medvac was.(his observer was with his army) Obvious things to note : After watching the replay from his point of view,i noticed him looking at my base throught the fog of war multiple times. The medvac chase was pretty funny thought,and i still managed to drop him.:p
He later told me this was a smurf account and that his previous account(top diamond ranked)was banned due to complains about spamming/flaming(yeah right..)
Yay first post! So yeah, this does look like maphacks. The more damning evidence is the frequent looks through the fog... In the early game, your hacker does a great job reacting to the minimap and not constantly looking through the fog, but by 15 minutes, he seems to give up on that and just looks.
5:30 looking at base 13:12 looking at army in fog 16:00 finds the dropship 16:18 looks at MM force under fog 16:38 looking at MM again 18:36 looks at marine controlling XNT several times from 16:00 to 20:00 looking at army at terran nat 20:30 inspects entire terran army/base 23:10 more inspection of the army/nat
so yeah, after 16 minutes or so he is constantly looking at your base, nat, and army under fog.
Good job beating him though! btw, please please make sure you add the character code to your post.
On October 07 2010 17:22 arb wrote: All replays from pages 1-8 are added, ill try to get to the ones here later
Also, take ZOMGtossrush as a warning, dont post obviously fake replays in this thread, one is bad but posting what 5? times is just stupid.
Also as drophacks are hard to confirm with the fact that bnet 2.0 is kinda..shitty, try to avoid posting those aswell, unless they are mapping or somethinglike that(basically idk how you would prove them)
for the record, i have only posted suspecting 3 players, and this is after i have about 1200 1v1 games.
Thanks for all the ppl who said i posted 5 and was constantly posting, got a ban because you didn't get your facts straight :/
This thread needs to be edited. So that there is some sort of guidelines of what is suscipion, and what isn't. Because there is not set rules of what can/can't be posted. I saw a guy looking through the fog of war at the start of the round, and i suspected. Apparently I was incorrect suspecting maphacks using that as evidence.
Mods, maybe you can discuss more clearly what is accepted for posts so I don't get confused again.
You accused KeepSeven twice, total of four accusations. And every single one of your accusations was completely unfounded, not even suspicious. And you had several silly defensive posts about your accusations, one of which you got warned for.
What is truly ironic, is that you now accuse the reviewers in this thread of being the reason you got banned. You got banned for what is essentially libel, false accusations and slander, and you respond by coming back to this thread and accusing even more.
You need to accept the fact that you get outplayed sometimes, and that is was your own fault you got banned. You are the only person who fails to see it that way, so either accept the facts or else decide that this thread is not the right place to solve your 'hacker problems'.
All i did was post that I thought ppl were hacking. Isn't that what this thread is for? I can be wrong or right, but i had suspicion. Maybe my suspicion weren't solid enough, in which you can tell me so. As i suggested, there should be some sort of basic guidelines for what is possible evidence for hacking.
That is all.
When 3-4 posters are(implying) saying I am spamming this thread with all of my loses and start attacking me that I can't handle loses, its pretty fucking demeaning. You don't know me. Why would you take things to a personal level?
Like i was trying to defend myself, pre-ban. I have well over 1000 games played. I think its reasonable to think that of those 1k plus games someone might be hacking. And clearly with my now 600+ loses, i don't rage and just post every lose on this thread like you are trying to convince ppl i do.
I never have/tried to "fuck with this thread" as the mods claim I have tried. I just have some replays where ppl look through the fog. If there are any more clearcut ways to detect hackers, i would love to know, honestly, hence the request for a more indepth OP. Because even if i meet a player who stares at my base more than his own, and want to post that, I am afraid to because in my experience, its "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban."
I love tl, and the mods, but I think some of the users are simply immature(like you). And when these users throw personal insults me for my suspiciousness, its pretty bm. I don't see other ppl on this thread get chastised for "getting it wrong," as so many ppl/mods have done to me.
Can't we all just get along?
I would like to get along. That's why I did my absolute best not to use insults or demeaning language.
The issue is not that everyone in this thread decided "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban." The issue is that there needs to be some evidence, any evidence at all of hacking in the replays you submit. If you are genuinely unable to see that your hacking reports were frivolous, I suggest you take a look at replays of confirmed hackers (there are plenty in this thread) to get a feel for it.
How about instead of responding we keep read the OP, and keep talk on replays and not on his false accusations(which i dont particularly care about) and ill probably update this after i get back from work tonight,(by tonight i mean in 13 hours ~_~)
However, if you want to come up with a list of things not to submit(for replays that are clearly false) like you suggested earlier that would be great!
Aye aye, cap'n. (actually it was zomgtossrush that suggested a list of what not to submit, I think it should be obvious, but w/e).
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move)
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though.
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there.
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.)
Weak evidence for hacks (i.e. not enough evidence by themselves):
Proxying the correct location without scouting.
Anticipating drops/muta timing/DT's/VR's/backstabs etc. Some people just take these things into account in their normal build order.
Unit composition/blind counters. It could very easily be dumb luck that your opponent went VR's without scouting when you went pure marauder. Or whatever.
One or two glances at your main under fog. Everyone does this normally (at least I do), to remember what building they scouted, or to send a scout, or to feel more confident about the map/walloff position/whatever. If you're on a 4 player map and your opponent only looks at your main (before scouting), then that's evidence, but occasionally glancing can be normal too.
Not evidence for hacks:
Losing to someone with lower APM
Getting dropped by b.net when you were winning
Perfect timing with a push. A hallmark of high level play is well timed pushes, catching you when you are teching or expanding and are vulnerable. By itself this is not evidence.
(I'm not trying to piss you off by using you as an example, zomgtossrush, I just want to make it explicit that the sort of thing you used for those replays is not even weak evidence of hacks).
If your replay doesn't contain some hard evidence, don't start slandering the player who beat you. Even if a replay contained every single piece of 'weak' evidence I listed, I wouldn't consider that to be enough evidence to put the player on the confirmed hacker list. Suspicious, yes, but not confirmable. (maybe with multiple replays..dunno)
The point of this thread is not to discuss what is and what isn't evidence of hacking, so please don't start replying to this with your own ideas. If Arb or any mods have a problem with my standards for evidence, I will be happy to change this list (I'm just a random guy afterall). If anyone else has a issue, PM me and I'll consider what you say. Lets keep this thread for its original purpose--reporting hackers.
Will add this post to the OP, I apologize for the delay but working 3rd shift isnt easy ><
Also if anyone wants to take a look at reps on like bot of 9-11 that would be appreciated, will add Zlashers up to the OP soon
On October 05 2010 03:20 Flyingdutchman wrote: Realm : EU Your name : Swiminzerg & Wowsukz Hacker Names : Antimatter.628 & Jigzaw.302 Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/87759-2v2-protoss-zerg-tempest Description : PP v ZZ on Tempest, they rush lings without scouting. So I check replay and see one of them rally his hatch to our base even before building his pool or any form of scouting. Jigzaw even follows our probes that go build our initial pilons, i.e. looking at us through FOW
I'm not able to view this replay, not sure why... when I try, I get a black screen with a SC2 mouse cursor.
that is pretty weird, did you watch it in the latest patch with the sc2loader? (double clicking the replay file I mean) Maybe that could be the problem, since it is a game from the previous patch. In any case, it was a very short game so maybe it was just dumb luck, although I cheked their history and it was basically all they did, they won on maps with multiple spawnlocations and lost on the 2v2 maps with fixed spawn locations, usually by beating one player and then getting stomped by the other. I've reported them ingame to blizzard, if they really were hacking and get banned it would be nice, but otherwise meh, life goes on
Ok, I guess the old version thing was the problem, but also I didn't have the map so maybe I was offline trying to watch before or something dunno. Worked this time.
It is somewhat suspicious that the zergs rallied to your base without scouting, since you were cross positions. Also suspicious that Jigsaw spent a little time inspecting your main before any scouting/rallying. I did not observe either player following your probes under fog however, please rewatch and confirm this. If I'm wrong and missed it, just state the specific time and who's vision to watch.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough evidence based on lucky rallying. It's entirely possible that they both assumed the map had only symmetrical spawns (on the flip side of this mistake, I've heard commentators talk about lucky scouting on two player maps lol). So, suspicious, but not confirmable imo.
On October 07 2010 22:49 xggamerx wrote: europe:
me: xggamerx hacker:tripstar rep thread:http://uploading.com/files/a17f3e2c/suspicious%2Bpvt.SC2Replay/ Description : well i proxy him he saw my probe but he didnt see that i was making gateway in his base and he stright sent 3 scv together on gateways and then minute 8:08 when i sent my units to kill the rocks on his side he stright sent marines there and when i sent my units back to his choke and again without vision he sent his marines back to the choke! just very suspicious i belive this dude hacks so i just want you to check it out
map:blistering sands
Agree with Kibbit and Noam here, no good evidence of hacks. He probably sent the marines over to the rocks to kill the pylon, and found your 'lots. When your zealots ran to the other entrance, he had vision of them moving that way, obvious what to do...
On October 11 2010 04:31 Elderbury wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Elderbury Hacker Name : Lugert Replay : SC2S_2959_Lugert_vs_Elderbury_Lost_Temple.sc2replay Description : Not sure if this is a hack or not so thought I would seek the opinion of those more expert than I. I'm just a lowly bronze player who loses most of his matches, so I'm not complaining about that. But this guy immediately sent his SCV to my choke point at the beginning of the game so block my SCV from building a supply depot. Thing is, he never came into my base to see if I was there or not but just waited at the outside entrance. He never scouted any of the other possible starting locations. IF he had done this to all three possible starting locations, it could have been strategy. But why come to mine and wait for me without even scouting?
Hmm... pretty low level play, and without strong evidence of hacking, there could be any number of reasons for your opponent acting as strange as he did. For every replay of this guy getting a lucky scout on a four player map (i think it was a scout because he didn't seem to have a plan for building anything with it), there is probably two more with him getting unlucky scouting. Not enough evidence imo.
On October 29 2010 08:13 StorrZerg wrote:
Realm : NA Your name : SrorrZerg.412 Hacker Name : Athena.392 Replay : http://rapidshare.com/files/427691167/Storr_vs_odd_player.SC2Replay Description : PvP On LT He said he had an aka but hes lvling his friends acct. When i lost i assumed i was just terrible (i still think i am) but i noticed many things really really fishy
Ok starts off with him doing korean warp gate. No scout, sends scout straight to my base as tech almost finishes and plants a pylon. I kill pylon preventing the rush. I go for void rays since we are close positions. His army soon moves back and hes expanded. He has stalkers out when i arrive so i retreat and try to sneak an expo (note he sees my probe move out) Shortly after void ray repealed he sends 3 zealots to my nexus thats warping in. (he attacks straight to it)
I go to save the expansion and his army moves towards my expo as well (he has no map control this game) I save my expo and ff ramp to save my army he retreats. He sends his entire army soon after to kill my hidden expo, i move to counter him, he moves back before i engage him or even finishing my nexus off.
Again this whole time hes got great "decision making" with no map control.
If this isn't cheating im sorry
^^lol you spelled your name wrong hehe
Jeez, another really tough call. Since this guy is on TL, I'd like to hear him defend himself. The main problem I see in this replay is the perfectly timed army movements without map vision (a XN tower or something come on).
However, if he is a hacker, he is quite good at it (he's quite a good player anyway, he had a 5-7 worker advantage even after you got your third up)... I did not find any instances of looking through fog and some of the other things you mention (finding the sneaky third; scout straight to your base) are plausible w/o hacks.
Going by my own standards a few posts above, the only 'good' evidence we can possibly find is reacting to the army without vision of it. So... argh, hard call, this might need more eyes or more discussion. In the end though, I think it is 'innocent until proven guilty', and if we can't prove anything....well.
On October 26 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote: : Realm : North America Your name : Pandain Hacker Name : YOSHI Replay : Hmm... is there a place to upload replays without having to register somewhere? Description : This guy didn't do anything abnormal, at first. He was just doing a failed proxy. Then after it fails, and when its obvious im going to win, he pauses. Then iw ait a while, being nice and all. Then, when i try to unpause, it just leaves me with the screen "options" and "score screen". When I'm forced to press score screen, it says the game isn't recorded. Wth?
1) drophacks are not really provable based on one game (need a match history showing 100% win ratio, multiple dropped games, all games under 6 minutes, or something similar) 2) replay is required 3) character code is required
If you want this complaint to be taken seriously, you need to fix all three.
On October 25 2010 07:25 aidnai wrote: Hacker confirmation Ugulup + Show Spoiler +
On October 24 2010 02:08 CptThule wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : CptThule Hacker Name : Ugulup Replay : http://rapidshare.com/files/426742425/cheater.SC2Replay Description : Its a TvP match,i was doing the iechoic build,and he knew exactly when my medvac would reach his base and at what angle. He then started chasing it around the map even thought he couldnt normally know where my medvac was.(his observer was with his army) Obvious things to note : After watching the replay from his point of view,i noticed him looking at my base throught the fog of war multiple times. The medvac chase was pretty funny thought,and i still managed to drop him.:p
He later told me this was a smurf account and that his previous account(top diamond ranked)was banned due to complains about spamming/flaming(yeah right..)
Yay first post! So yeah, this does look like maphacks. The more damning evidence is the frequent looks through the fog... In the early game, your hacker does a great job reacting to the minimap and not constantly looking through the fog, but by 15 minutes, he seems to give up on that and just looks.
5:30 looking at base 13:12 looking at army in fog 16:00 finds the dropship 16:18 looks at MM force under fog 16:38 looking at MM again 18:36 looks at marine controlling XNT several times from 16:00 to 20:00 looking at army at terran nat 20:30 inspects entire terran army/base 23:10 more inspection of the army/nat
so yeah, after 16 minutes or so he is constantly looking at your base, nat, and army under fog.
Good job beating him though! btw, please please make sure you add the character code to your post.
On October 07 2010 17:22 arb wrote: All replays from pages 1-8 are added, ill try to get to the ones here later
Also, take ZOMGtossrush as a warning, dont post obviously fake replays in this thread, one is bad but posting what 5? times is just stupid.
Also as drophacks are hard to confirm with the fact that bnet 2.0 is kinda..shitty, try to avoid posting those aswell, unless they are mapping or somethinglike that(basically idk how you would prove them)
for the record, i have only posted suspecting 3 players, and this is after i have about 1200 1v1 games.
Thanks for all the ppl who said i posted 5 and was constantly posting, got a ban because you didn't get your facts straight :/
This thread needs to be edited. So that there is some sort of guidelines of what is suscipion, and what isn't. Because there is not set rules of what can/can't be posted. I saw a guy looking through the fog of war at the start of the round, and i suspected. Apparently I was incorrect suspecting maphacks using that as evidence.
Mods, maybe you can discuss more clearly what is accepted for posts so I don't get confused again.
You accused KeepSeven twice, total of four accusations. And every single one of your accusations was completely unfounded, not even suspicious. And you had several silly defensive posts about your accusations, one of which you got warned for.
What is truly ironic, is that you now accuse the reviewers in this thread of being the reason you got banned. You got banned for what is essentially libel, false accusations and slander, and you respond by coming back to this thread and accusing even more.
You need to accept the fact that you get outplayed sometimes, and that is was your own fault you got banned. You are the only person who fails to see it that way, so either accept the facts or else decide that this thread is not the right place to solve your 'hacker problems'.
All i did was post that I thought ppl were hacking. Isn't that what this thread is for? I can be wrong or right, but i had suspicion. Maybe my suspicion weren't solid enough, in which you can tell me so. As i suggested, there should be some sort of basic guidelines for what is possible evidence for hacking.
That is all.
When 3-4 posters are(implying) saying I am spamming this thread with all of my loses and start attacking me that I can't handle loses, its pretty fucking demeaning. You don't know me. Why would you take things to a personal level?
Like i was trying to defend myself, pre-ban. I have well over 1000 games played. I think its reasonable to think that of those 1k plus games someone might be hacking. And clearly with my now 600+ loses, i don't rage and just post every lose on this thread like you are trying to convince ppl i do.
I never have/tried to "fuck with this thread" as the mods claim I have tried. I just have some replays where ppl look through the fog. If there are any more clearcut ways to detect hackers, i would love to know, honestly, hence the request for a more indepth OP. Because even if i meet a player who stares at my base more than his own, and want to post that, I am afraid to because in my experience, its "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban."
I love tl, and the mods, but I think some of the users are simply immature(like you). And when these users throw personal insults me for my suspiciousness, its pretty bm. I don't see other ppl on this thread get chastised for "getting it wrong," as so many ppl/mods have done to me.
Can't we all just get along?
I would like to get along. That's why I did my absolute best not to use insults or demeaning language.
The issue is not that everyone in this thread decided "he better be hacking or you get a 2 week ban." The issue is that there needs to be some evidence, any evidence at all of hacking in the replays you submit. If you are genuinely unable to see that your hacking reports were frivolous, I suggest you take a look at replays of confirmed hackers (there are plenty in this thread) to get a feel for it.
How about instead of responding we keep read the OP, and keep talk on replays and not on his false accusations(which i dont particularly care about) and ill probably update this after i get back from work tonight,(by tonight i mean in 13 hours ~_~)
However, if you want to come up with a list of things not to submit(for replays that are clearly false) like you suggested earlier that would be great!
Aye aye, cap'n. (actually it was zomgtossrush that suggested a list of what not to submit, I think it should be obvious, but w/e).
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move)
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though.
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there.
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.)
Weak evidence for hacks (i.e. not enough evidence by themselves):
Proxying the correct location without scouting.
Anticipating drops/muta timing/DT's/VR's/backstabs etc. Some people just take these things into account in their normal build order.
Unit composition/blind counters. It could very easily be dumb luck that your opponent went VR's without scouting when you went pure marauder. Or whatever.
One or two glances at your main under fog. Everyone does this normally (at least I do), to remember what building they scouted, or to send a scout, or to feel more confident about the map/walloff position/whatever. If you're on a 4 player map and your opponent only looks at your main (before scouting), then that's evidence, but occasionally glancing can be normal too.
Not evidence for hacks:
Losing to someone with lower APM
Getting dropped by b.net when you were winning
Perfect timing with a push. A hallmark of high level play is well timed pushes, catching you when you are teching or expanding and are vulnerable. By itself this is not evidence.
(I'm not trying to piss you off by using you as an example, zomgtossrush, I just want to make it explicit that the sort of thing you used for those replays is not even weak evidence of hacks).
If your replay doesn't contain some hard evidence, don't start slandering the player who beat you. Even if a replay contained every single piece of 'weak' evidence I listed, I wouldn't consider that to be enough evidence to put the player on the confirmed hacker list. Suspicious, yes, but not confirmable. (maybe with multiple replays..dunno)
The point of this thread is not to discuss what is and what isn't evidence of hacking, so please don't start replying to this with your own ideas. If Arb or any mods have a problem with my standards for evidence, I will be happy to change this list (I'm just a random guy afterall). If anyone else has a issue, PM me and I'll consider what you say. Lets keep this thread for its original purpose--reporting hackers.
Thanks for your impartial post. And you have made a pretty good list, that probably should have been added before.
My evidence was probably weak by you reasonable standards(i did have 2 suspicious replays as you mentioned), it's still reasonable suspicion,(mainly looking at the fog of war right at the start, and before important attacks) however weak it was, it was still suspicious. I assumed that this thread was for posting suspicious replays, then if as a community voted yes or no, would then be under the confirmed section of the op.
Another intention of this thread which i misinterpreted was that I thought if a player was posted a suspicious, this would arise other TL members to re-watch replays if they met the same players on bnet. Like you briefly mentioned, having more replays is more concrete than just one.
I guess I am just sour, that even though the community voted i was "wrong," i received a 2 week ban for it and a slew of slanderous comments because I was posted a weaker replay. This kind of "ganging" which i felt is something that just puts this community one step back.
Thanks for the addition to the thread as hopefully this will help others avoid my outcome.
Any hacker in the "Name and shame"-list, is gonna change name :/. I suggest we start posting their number IDs as well - so people with the same names aren't mistaken as cheaters.
Realm : Europe Your name : imakki Hacker Name : ANOTHER Replay : http://starcraft2.fi/replay/lataa.php?id=837 Description : I was trying new imba strat 8 proxypylon and 2 gateways, and this guy makes 10 rax, 11 rax and 11 bunker to counter my imba strat without any scoutting, kinda wierd. Im myself 2100p diamond, and my opponent: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/899230/ANOTHER, few things to note: 1. He has a new account. 2. He is playing against highlevel diamonds. Obvious things to note : Builds 10 rax, 11rax and 11 bunker to counter my proxygates which he didnt even scout. When he killed all my zealots inside his base, he runs straight to my proxygates. When i pull all my probes from base he pulls his marines to his base and starts building another bunker, why would he decide to do that when he was fine killing my zealots?
On November 06 2010 02:55 mazqo wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : imakki Hacker Name : ANOTHER Replay : http://starcraft2.fi/replay/lataa.php?id=837 Description : I was trying new imba strat 8 proxypylon and 2 gateways, and this guy makes 10 rax, 11 rax and 11 bunker to counter my imba strat without any scoutting, kinda wierd. Im myself 2100p diamond, and my opponent: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/899230/ANOTHER, few things to note: 1. He has a new account. 2. He is playing against highlevel diamonds. Obvious things to note : Builds 10 rax, 11rax and 11 bunker to counter my proxygates which he didnt even scout. When he killed all my zealots inside his base, he runs straight to my proxygates. When i pull all my probes from base he pulls his marines to his base and starts building another bunker, why would he decide to do that when he was fine killing my zealots?
Please include the character code for you opponent.
Also, your description focuses on 'softer' evidence of hacking. Did you observe his camera movement and find anything suspicious there?
On November 06 2010 03:10 aidnai wrote: Please include the character code for you opponent.
Also, your description focuses on 'softer' evidence of hacking. Did you observe his camera movement and find anything suspicious there?
Will take a look at this when I get a chance.
Where can i see his character code? I did observe the camera movement, it was "normal", nothing suspicious there. I also talked to one of his last opponents and he also tought that he might be maphacking.
This one should be added at the top not only as a hacker for the list - but as the EXAMPLE of what to look for.
Psy steps you through the hacking signs very clearly.
~looking at unscouted base through fog repeatedly ~pre-empting unscouted enemy unit movement ~looking through the fog at previously empty expansions suddenly the moment a hatchery is thrown down ~not building any scouting units at all for whole game ~looking at groups of enemy units through fog with no scouting
On November 08 2010 00:09 CptThule wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : CptThule Hacker Name :zionteck Replay :http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=163817 Description : Pretty obvious maphack usage,you dont have to watch the whole 33 minute game. First funny moment is at 5:33 when he zooms in to check if my probe at the xel naga tower is feeling bored.:p
I cant find his character code right now,but i have a link for his sc2rank page. if someone could help would be nice.
ps:second maphacker i face in a short period of time and this guy was bm also after the game :/
Maphacker for 99%. This zoom at Xelnaga/SCV is priceless, also moving his army to the edges, when your drop/banshees are coming prove something...
Cant find his character code, but check your match history and lure his profile there.
On November 06 2010 02:55 mazqo wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : imakki Hacker Name : ANOTHER Replay : http://starcraft2.fi/replay/lataa.php?id=837 Description : I was trying new imba strat 8 proxypylon and 2 gateways, and this guy makes 10 rax, 11 rax and 11 bunker to counter my imba strat without any scoutting, kinda wierd. Im myself 2100p diamond, and my opponent: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/899230/ANOTHER, few things to note: 1. He has a new account. 2. He is playing against highlevel diamonds. Obvious things to note : Builds 10 rax, 11rax and 11 bunker to counter my proxygates which he didnt even scout. When he killed all my zealots inside his base, he runs straight to my proxygates. When i pull all my probes from base he pulls his marines to his base and starts building another bunker, why would he decide to do that when he was fine killing my zealots?
Weird stuff here, after watching replay I could say he is f***ing maphacker. Who doing such a things (bunker/runs straight to proxy) without scouting... Also pause at the start of the game... I have no idea how maphacks works, but I bet he enabled it during that.
Realm: North America Name: Leeto Hacker: ggmylife Replay: Replay Link Description: Looks repeatedly at my base through the fog of war, never scouts the entire game. Follows my troop movements and where I'm expanding through the fog, and reacts appropriately. Some key things: At 6:53 he looks at lings going up the right side to kill the rocks, and at around 7:15 he sends guys to kill the lings at the rocks, but at 7:21 he looks at my roaches coming up the middle through the fog, and tells his guys to come back. At 11:26, he moves his army to the middle of the map, probably to expand, but looks at my mutas through the fog, and moves his guys back to his natural to defend, even warping in stalkers at the natural without ever seeing the mutas. At 11:37, he looks through the fog at where I just started my 3rd, and sends guys to kill it. At 14:30, I try to take the 3rd again, and he looks at it through the fog and again sends guys to kill it.
Maybe he just has an insane sense of timing, but without ever scouting my base other than the first probe, seeing nothing but a hatchery the entire game, I doubt it. It wasn't the best game on my part, but I still feel that there is good evidence for maphacking.
@1337o Didnt have to watch past the 7:22 mark,definately a maphacker. Everytime he looks into the fogofwar,pause the replay and go to the everyone cam and then back to his cam.You can clearly see he was checking at your units.
Important Note: I'm not able to find anyone's character code anymore Apparently this is a recent change by Blizzard, so unless you ask the hacker and they give it to you, you will no longer be able to find it unfortunately. (see this thread.)
On November 06 2010 02:55 mazqo wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : imakki Hacker Name : ANOTHER Replay : http://starcraft2.fi/replay/lataa.php?id=837 Description : I was trying new imba strat 8 proxypylon and 2 gateways, and this guy makes 10 rax, 11 rax and 11 bunker to counter my imba strat without any scoutting, kinda wierd. Im myself 2100p diamond, and my opponent: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/899230/ANOTHER, few things to note: 1. He has a new account. 2. He is playing against highlevel diamonds. Obvious things to note : Builds 10 rax, 11rax and 11 bunker to counter my proxygates which he didnt even scout. When he killed all my zealots inside his base, he runs straight to my proxygates. When i pull all my probes from base he pulls his marines to his base and starts building another bunker, why would he decide to do that when he was fine killing my zealots?
Finally got a chance to watch this one. I agree his decision making seems to be...precognitive? But again, it's also possible that he always goes 10 rax 11 rax with a bunker because he's so sick of being cheesed by those sneaky toss's. I think there's a good chance he's maphacking, but, innocent until proven guilty.
On November 08 2010 00:09 CptThule wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : CptThule Hacker Name :zionteck Replay :http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=163817 Description : Pretty obvious maphack usage,you dont have to watch the whole 33 minute game. First funny moment is at 5:33 when he zooms in to check if my probe at the xel naga tower is feeling bored.:p
I cant find his character code right now,but i have a link for his sc2rank page. if someone could help would be nice.
ps:second maphacker i face in a short period of time and this guy was bm also after the game :/
You've found a winner!
On November 08 2010 20:59 DaemonX wrote: This one should be added at the top not only as a hacker for the list - but as the EXAMPLE of what to look for.
Psy steps you through the hacking signs very clearly.
~looking at unscouted base through fog repeatedly ~pre-empting unscouted enemy unit movement ~looking through the fog at previously empty expansions suddenly the moment a hatchery is thrown down ~not building any scouting units at all for whole game ~looking at groups of enemy units through fog with no scouting
and others.
Yeah, this is an obvious hacker. Video is kinda longish, but it's a good example of what to look for. Arb, the hacker is Vnrock.347.
On November 11 2010 04:50 1337o wrote: Realm: North America Name: Leeto Hacker: ggmylife Replay: Replay Link Description: Looks repeatedly at my base through the fog of war, never scouts the entire game. Follows my troop movements and where I'm expanding through the fog, and reacts appropriately. Some key things: At 6:53 he looks at lings going up the right side to kill the rocks, and at around 7:15 he sends guys to kill the lings at the rocks, but at 7:21 he looks at my roaches coming up the middle through the fog, and tells his guys to come back. At 11:26, he moves his army to the middle of the map, probably to expand, but looks at my mutas through the fog, and moves his guys back to his natural to defend, even warping in stalkers at the natural without ever seeing the mutas. At 11:37, he looks through the fog at where I just started my 3rd, and sends guys to kill it. At 14:30, I try to take the 3rd again, and he looks at it through the fog and again sends guys to kill it.
Maybe he just has an insane sense of timing, but without ever scouting my base other than the first probe, seeing nothing but a hatchery the entire game, I doubt it. It wasn't the best game on my part, but I still feel that there is good evidence for maphacking.
Description : preface -- Thankfully I have never lost to this player (Lost), but I have taken note of his 'fishy' play in our games. This game made me really scratch my head as his choices were completely illogical and based on absolutely no scouting and almost countering a completely unorthodox strat/push, that was made based on my scouting of him.
It turns out his scouts are nothing more than fakes, in an attempt to hide that he is actually maphacking. In his vision I caught him sending units to my the center of my base under fog build to see exactly what I was going.
He has a he gets spores despite not scouting a stargate at all. (overseer is much more logical for initial obs + dts)
Obvious things to note : ~7-8 minues, begins getting spores despite 0 scouting of my tech.
~8:40 rallys a unit (ling?) into the center of my base and holds vision there for a few seconds under fog of war.. - When it arrives he does not scout or bother to check my unit composition at my front, of even my buildings for the duration of the game.
~10:00 as soon as I inch out of my base he begins building 3 spine crawlers at his 3rd for defense. At 10:19 he sends a fake ling scout to intercept my oncoming units, most likely to mask his cheating, but the spines were already started.
---- Some more things to note, this is clearly one of my smurf accounts and I have played him multiple times. He has no knowledge of any previous strat since this is the first time I have matched him on this account, and I do a completely random build to counter and punish his early spine crawlers. A few more things to note is that he is a 2300+ player, not that that is really any sort of accomplishment but that accompanied with the fact that he has barely over 100 apm with zerg definitely raises an eyebrow.
Description : preface -- Thankfully I have never lost to this player (Lost), but I have taken note of his 'fishy' play in our games. This game made me really scratch my head as his choices were completely illogical and based on absolutely no scouting and almost countering a completely unorthodox strat/push, that was made based on my scouting of him.
It turns out his scouts are nothing more than fakes, in an attempt to hide that he is actually maphacking. In his vision I caught him sending units to my the center of my base under fog build to see exactly what I was going.
He has a he gets spores despite not scouting a stargate at all. (overseer is much more logical for initial obs + dts)
Obvious things to note : ~7-8 minues, begins getting spores despite 0 scouting of my tech.
~8:40 rallys a unit (ling?) into the center of my base and holds vision there for a few seconds under fog of war.. - When it arrives he does not scout or bother to check my unit composition at my front, of even my buildings for the duration of the game.
~10:00 as soon as I inch out of my base he begins building 3 spine crawlers at his 3rd for defense. At 10:19 he sends a fake ling scout to intercept my oncoming units, most likely to mask his cheating, but the spines were already started.
---- Some more things to note, this is clearly one of my smurf accounts and I have played him multiple times. He has no knowledge of any previous strat since this is the first time I have matched him on this account, and I do a completely random build to counter and punish his early spine crawlers. A few more things to note is that he is a 2300+ player, not that that is really any sort of accomplishment but that accompanied with the fact that he has barely over 100 apm with zerg definitely raises an eyebrow.
um, lol no. No map hack, nothing suspicious looking even. Review the OP for standards of evidence, you'll see a great discrepancy between what constitutes good evidence and what is seen in this replay.
Also, you're quite rude to your opponent for no reason: "You maphack, or are you just retarded?". What kind of question is that anyway? if he had maphacked, wouldn't he have made better decisions? You're the one who blind counters his defensive build (you threw down your stargate before scouting all the spine crawlers), and then you call him the hacker? classy...
Format: Realm : North America Your name : Griffith Hacker Name : Effort Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/105782-1v1-terran-lost-temple#c1 Description : 1v1 Lost Temple. Constant camera panning over my base, blind medivac drop onto island expo, no scouting, no scan.
On November 17 2010 11:49 Griffith` wrote: Format: Realm : North America Your name : Griffith Hacker Name : Effort Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/105782-1v1-terran-lost-temple#c1 Description : 1v1 Lost Temple. Constant camera panning over my base, blind medivac drop onto island expo, no scouting, no scan.
Realm : North America Your name : Nights Hacker Name: Zeratul .839, Artanis .498 Replay : http://replayfu.com/r/K1fMkg
Description : Doing a blink stalker build and was stopped without the opponent ever scouting.
Obvious things to note : At about 5:00, Purple moved the camera to the proxy pylon without vision. Teal also moved the camera at the fog of war where the proxy was at various times. At about 8:15, there was a ping to the stalkers about to move in without vision.
Description : preface -- Thankfully I have never lost to this player (Lost), but I have taken note of his 'fishy' play in our games. This game made me really scratch my head as his choices were completely illogical and based on absolutely no scouting and almost countering a completely unorthodox strat/push, that was made based on my scouting of him.
It turns out his scouts are nothing more than fakes, in an attempt to hide that he is actually maphacking. In his vision I caught him sending units to my the center of my base under fog build to see exactly what I was going.
He has a he gets spores despite not scouting a stargate at all. (overseer is much more logical for initial obs + dts)
Obvious things to note : ~7-8 minues, begins getting spores despite 0 scouting of my tech.
~8:40 rallys a unit (ling?) into the center of my base and holds vision there for a few seconds under fog of war.. - When it arrives he does not scout or bother to check my unit composition at my front, of even my buildings for the duration of the game.
~10:00 as soon as I inch out of my base he begins building 3 spine crawlers at his 3rd for defense. At 10:19 he sends a fake ling scout to intercept my oncoming units, most likely to mask his cheating, but the spines were already started.
---- Some more things to note, this is clearly one of my smurf accounts and I have played him multiple times. He has no knowledge of any previous strat since this is the first time I have matched him on this account, and I do a completely random build to counter and punish his early spine crawlers. A few more things to note is that he is a 2300+ player, not that that is really any sort of accomplishment but that accompanied with the fact that he has barely over 100 apm with zerg definitely raises an eyebrow.
Eh, i dunno, this evidence seems kinda sketchy. I know for a fact as a random player that cloaked banshees are scary at 7:30~ and DTs come at around the eight minute mark. Getting spores for detection alone isn't unreasonable at all, especially considering that he didn't scout and there is the ingame clock.
At the 8:40 mark he has his hatches selected and starts making units, it is possible to macro from not your base you know.
I mean, maybe he is a maphacker, but you'll need better proof than that imo.
Realm : North America Your name : JohnnyVegas Hacker Name : PHAGGIO (his record was 6-0 and he was Platinum as of Nov 18, 2010) Replay : http://www.battlereports.com/vegas/PHAGGIO_MapHacker.SC2Replay Description : Repeatedly "looks" at my units through the fog of war, most blatant was him sending 2 stalkers to kill an overseer out of his vision (he gets to my nydus just as start spawning it), and the VERY blatant clicking on the mini-map to look at my 2nd nydus worm that I had spawned in the middle of nowhere on Scrap Station.
Just watch his point of view starting at about 9:10, its obvious during the 1st attempted nydus, and the 2nd nydus (where he clicks on the nydus in the middle of nowhere in the fog of war).
On November 20 2010 00:10 Johnny_Vegas wrote: Realm : North America Your name : JohnnyVegas Hacker Name : PHAGGIO (his record was 6-0 and he was Platinum as of Nov 18, 2010) Replay : http://www.battlereports.com/vegas/PHAGGIO_MapHacker.SC2Replay Description : Repeatedly "looks" at my units through the fog of war, most blatant was him sending 2 stalkers to kill an overseer out of his vision (he gets to my nydus just as start spawning it), and the VERY blatant clicking on the mini-map to look at my 2nd nydus worm that I had spawned in the middle of nowhere on Scrap Station.
Just watch his point of view starting at about 9:10, its obvious during the 1st attempted nydus, and the 2nd nydus (where he clicks on the nydus in the middle of nowhere in the fog of war).
Yup, checked your completely unscouted base like 10 times, and both nydus were very strange - but the second was a dead give away - just no way that he would or even could just randomly look at exactly that point exactly that moment.
Realm : North America Your name : Wuped Hacker Name : Bagelz Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?6n2aqv00n8h9b0o Very obviously knew where all my overlords on map were. Didn't even try and hide it.
Realm : Europe Your name : effects Hacker Name : prophecy Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/107433-1v1-zerg-metalopolis Description : Not sure about this, hoping for some input. He never looked at my base under the FoW or anything, but he did not scout at all (as Z on Metalopolis) and rallied directly into my base. Could have been lucky, but idk... Obvious things to note: Again I'm not sure, so please watch and tell me what you think!
On November 20 2010 06:22 arb wrote: I apologize guys im using my aunts ancient pc as our router crashed, i should be getting a new one by weds so ill update the Op then
Sorry for my slowness =[
I hope this doesn't end up like that time you tried to manage the ICC who is who thread.
On November 21 2010 22:24 Yizuo wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : effects Hacker Name : prophecy Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/107433-1v1-zerg-metalopolis Description : Not sure about this, hoping for some input. He never looked at my base under the FoW or anything, but he did not scout at all (as Z on Metalopolis) and rallied directly into my base. Could have been lucky, but idk... Obvious things to note: Again I'm not sure, so please watch and tell me what you think!
IMO, this one is almost certainly not cheating.
The point you raise about his rally location isn't suspect because at about 2 minutes in he see's your drone coming in from the south with his Overlord, and he doesn't see an Overlord come across the gap either. After that if he felt he wanted to rally in to an attack then the closest south base would be the sensible one.
He never looks through fog of war, and if you watch his first 2 zerglings for about 15 seconds from 3:20 he goes to run in to your base and then as they get sight on the hatchery they stop and go back to attack it, which looks a lot like he didn't know it was there until he tried to run in to your base.
He also runs his first roaches in to attack and then realises he's outnumbered and immediately backed off after being hit, instead of just knowing he didn't want to engage that amount of lings.
On November 21 2010 22:24 Yizuo wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : effects Hacker Name : prophecy Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/107433-1v1-zerg-metalopolis Description : Not sure about this, hoping for some input. He never looked at my base under the FoW or anything, but he did not scout at all (as Z on Metalopolis) and rallied directly into my base. Could have been lucky, but idk... Obvious things to note: Again I'm not sure, so please watch and tell me what you think!
IMO, this one is almost certainly not cheating.
The point you raise about his rally location isn't suspect because at about 2 minutes in he see's your drone coming in from the south with his Overlord, and he doesn't see an Overlord come across the gap either. After that if he felt he wanted to rally in to an attack then the closest south base would be the sensible one.
He never looks through fog of war, and if you watch his first 2 zerglings for about 15 seconds from 3:20 he goes to run in to your base and then as they get sight on the hatchery they stop and go back to attack it, which looks a lot like he didn't know it was there until he tried to run in to your base.
He also runs his first roaches in to attack and then realises he's outnumbered and immediately backed off after being hit, instead of just knowing he didn't want to engage that amount of lings.
On November 08 2010 20:59 DaemonX wrote: This one should be added at the top not only as a hacker for the list - but as the EXAMPLE of what to look for.
Psy steps you through the hacking signs very clearly.
~looking at unscouted base through fog repeatedly ~pre-empting unscouted enemy unit movement ~looking through the fog at previously empty expansions suddenly the moment a hatchery is thrown down ~not building any scouting units at all for whole game ~looking at groups of enemy units through fog with no scouting
and others.
What server is he on?
On November 17 2010 12:15 Chaoz wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Nights Hacker Name: Zeratul .839, Artanis .498 Replay : http://replayfu.com/r/K1fMkg
Description : Doing a blink stalker build and was stopped without the opponent ever scouting.
Obvious things to note : At about 5:00, Purple moved the camera to the proxy pylon without vision. Teal also moved the camera at the fog of war where the proxy was at various times. At about 8:15, there was a ping to the stalkers about to move in without vision.
Description : I got dropped the moment I scout his very early Spawning Pool.
Obvious things to note : - He's #1 in his division (Traukons.155)
Drophacks cannot be added.. There are a million freak occurances every day where someone gets randomly dropped(cough bnet 2 sucks cough)
On November 21 2010 17:01 Wuped wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Wuped Hacker Name : Bagelz Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?6n2aqv00n8h9b0o Very obviously knew where all my overlords on map were. Didn't even try and hide it.
Also can someone watch this?.
All replays but the above 2, that were confirmed in the thread havebeen added(aka entire thing is updated) though if i missed 1 or 2 please let me know!
Description : Montecristo never scouts me and looks at my under fog of war once the in beginning, and then again a couple times later as I move my army out.
Obvious things to note : At 5:20 - blindly looks at my base. At 6:30 - does it again At 8:35 - looks at my army exactly as I move out At 14:52 looks at my random marine scouting - then sends stalker to xelnaga to stop it from seeing his third.
I think this is pretty good proof, whats disappointing though is that I probably would have won if i didn't mess up my SCV micro with my Thors.
Description : Montecristo never scouts me and looks at my under fog of war once the in beginning, and then again a couple times later as I move my army out.
Obvious things to note : At 5:20 - blindly looks at my base. At 6:30 - does it again At 8:35 - looks at my army exactly as I move out At 14:52 looks at my random marine scouting - then sends stalker to xelnaga to stop it from seeing his third.
I think this is pretty good proof, whats disappointing though is that I probably would have won if i didn't mess up my SCV micro with my Thors.
Photon,
I watched this replay from his POV last night, and I definitely think he is map hacking. I don't know what league this is, but not scouting on Metalopolis is incomprehensible if you are at least say gold or above (hopefully everyone else too, but you know what I mean). He stared at your base in fog of war before he scouted, so he obviously is cheating. Also, the other things that you pointed out happen too, and are pretty blatant. I thought it was funny you got the banshee harass to his base w/o him preempting, but thats probably because he wasn't paying attention and you had the close spawn.
On November 21 2010 17:01 Wuped wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Wuped Hacker Name : Bagelz Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?6n2aqv00n8h9b0o Very obviously knew where all my overlords on map were. Didn't even try and hide it.
Im pretty sure that this guy cheated - the first 2 OL kills werent really huge (the first one was a bit strange) the third OL kill was really strange - usually you dont walk to the gold expansion (after you saw rocks) before you attack. But the real point was that he checked your choke (you had some lings running down) as he attacks
On November 17 2010 12:15 Chaoz wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Nights Hacker Name: Zeratul .839, Artanis .498 Replay : http://replayfu.com/r/K1fMkg
Description : Doing a blink stalker build and was stopped without the opponent ever scouting.
Obvious things to note : At about 5:00, Purple moved the camera to the proxy pylon without vision. Teal also moved the camera at the fog of war where the proxy was at various times. At about 8:15, there was a ping to the stalkers about to move in without vision.
I think that Zeratul cheats (teal terran) Im not sure if the purple one cheated. They might had voice to communicate or sth. The ping was your ping - I think you cant see enemy pings or can you see them?
Description : Montecristo never scouts me and looks at my under fog of war once the in beginning, and then again a couple times later as I move my army out.
Obvious things to note : At 5:20 - blindly looks at my base. At 6:30 - does it again At 8:35 - looks at my army exactly as I move out At 14:52 looks at my random marine scouting - then sends stalker to xelnaga to stop it from seeing his third.
I think this is pretty good proof, whats disappointing though is that I probably would have won if i didn't mess up my SCV micro with my Thors.
Photon,
I watched this replay from his POV last night, and I definitely think he is map hacking. I don't know what league this is, but not scouting on Metalopolis is incomprehensible if you are at least say gold or above (hopefully everyone else too, but you know what I mean). He stared at your base in fog of war before he scouted, so he obviously is cheating. Also, the other things that you pointed out happen too, and are pretty blatant. I thought it was funny you got the banshee harass to his base w/o him preempting, but thats probably because he wasn't paying attention and you had the close spawn.
Were both in diamond (and his record actually isn't that good, sorta lame for someone who hacks). And actually on sc2replayed.com there is another replay of him which shows that he is a possible hacker - and he lost that game, which is sort of funny. He probably should have lost against me too, but it happens.
Obvious things to note : Does not scout once the whole game Looks at the fog of war in the middle of the map at a zealot running to his base I assume to make sure it was not a probe. While doing standard 3 rax builds a bunker (who does this really?) Attack moves some units to a proxy pylon in a remote out of vision location before it is done building.
On October 26 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote: : Realm : North America Your name : Pandain Hacker Name : YOSHI Replay : Hmm... is there a place to upload replays without having to register somewhere? Description : This guy didn't do anything abnormal, at first. He was just doing a failed proxy. Then after it fails, and when its obvious im going to win, he pauses. Then iw ait a while, being nice and all. Then, when i try to unpause, it just leaves me with the screen "options" and "score screen". When I'm forced to press score screen, it says the game isn't recorded. Wth?
I played this same guy and the exact thing happened - failed proxy attempts (three of them lol) into pausing/leaving. However the win counted for me...
I didn't go to the score screen; I exited out of the menus and stayed in the game for about an additional 10 seconds before exiting out and getting the win. It's possible that he's using some sort of exploit rather than a hack.
Realm : North America Your name : Nights Hacker Name : MagikStick .973, LannyBarbie .776 Replay : http://replayfu.com/r/XpGF5c Description : These two were constantly looking through the fog of war. It was so obvious they were hacking.
Obvious things to note : Magicstik (red player) - Hiding his probe from scouts at 2:40 - 6:26, panned to see banes moving out
LannyBarbie (blue player) - At 7:50 he panned to the zerglings right when it was about to enter the base - At 9:47 he panned to stalkers attacking rocks.
Realm : Europe Your name : LuDwig Hacker Name : FreeLife Replay :http://www.mediafire.com/?vot2oteudaka8yg Description : -he scouts me position immediatly (cross positions) -when i start my hidden tech he send a marine to the exact place where my hidden tech is (he made a long route) -at delta quadrant he find out the pylon with dark templar warped in (it is really not unusual..but for me is quite hard to believe that you move ALL your army to scout for that) -not to mention that he make the perfect counter (but that could be also luck) I alredy tried to look from his POW but it seems to never look my base. What do you think?
Realm : North America Your name : UmadCUZuBAD Hacker Name : Itwasluck Replay : Description : I make proxy starport w/ cloaked banshees which he never scouts, yet he counters it perfectly by fast expanding and making only 1 zealot, 6 stalkers and 2 observers all game. He also has his stalkers stationed at the route my banshees would take to get to his base, again without scouting that I was even proxying much less where the proxy was. After the game I looked at his past games and he had something like 30 wins and only a handful of losses, that combined with his name makes it pretty clear imo that he's a map hacker.
On December 01 2010 18:59 chubbs wrote: Realm : North America Your name : nonamebrand Hacker Name : dunno Replay :http://www.mediafire.com/?5ec5hv1il0p0664
Obvious things to note : rallies at my base without scouting on 4player map
This one is probably not using a map hack either to be honest. He sends his Overlord to scout top right and rallies his first lings bottom left (the two nearest). When you then accuse him of using a map hack he says he used the timing of the scout, which I'm presuming you didn't agree with because you stopped to build a pylong and two gateways but would be difficult to say he didn't believe it.
With regards your hidden buildings at the xel'naga if he knew you had those buildings (which he never see's) I'd be surprised if he'd just leave them when they're your only unit producing structures and they're powered by one pylon and they're completely undefended, as at the 3:00 mark when he has 6 zerglings running to your base but doesn't see them or attack them.
Additionally at around 4:40 your zealots move away from his ramp a little (out of his line of sight) and he goes out to check where with only 4 lings but is attacked and immediately falls back which suggests he couldn't see out there.
In the game you said "you didn't scout [...] so you mh" which is kinda true, he didn't scout your location (but he did scout) and I really don't think there's anything close to proof of cheating in that replay.
Also just for completions sake for people reading, he never looks looks through fog of war or pre-emptively moves units in response to your actions.
Realm : North America Your name : FkcNeO Hacker Name : FinalForm Replay : https://www.yousendit.com/download/cEd2V0p6Qzd3TGhjR0E9PQ Description : Proxy gates whitout search in 4 players map, is the second time i found a hacker, the first time was in metalopolis, some guy making proxy gates whitout search in a very comented threat, i stoped the proxys in that time, but now this guys have 2300++ pts, the last got guest pass, sorry for my english.
Realm : North America Your name : meltdown Hacker Name : JSlippery Replay : http://replayfu.com/download/4bPKR Description : - Never scouted entire game, cross positions on Lost Temple - Rallied Warp Prism at ~6:50 to the edge of my base and proceeded to warp in DTs
He instantly scouted my friends proxy voidray and knew exactly where he was on lost temple without scouting anything or taking towers.
Obvious things to note :
Not really much, he just knew everthing what my friend did without any scouting information.
There was this funny game I played during beta... ZvT on Metal. For some reason I seemed to counter EVERYTHING Terran did. His hellion harass was stopped halfway by my roaches, then his vikings were sniped in the middle of the map by my mutas... I think he also had a couple of fail drops... He asked me how I knew where his units were at all times and I, jokingly, replied "hax" so the guy proceeded to flame me for the remainder of the game lol
In reality I just spotted units with overlords/lings and on a couple of occasions I just happened to send my units at exactly the same time he sent his units... dumb luck!
The thing is just because someone blindly counters your build or intercepts a drop, it doesn't mean he's hacking! Read the OP. It has a list of solid, weak and shitty evidence for hacks. =)
North American Server Your name: Ratel Hacker name: Wesleys Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?94qv7pqz0l54f15 Description: around 3:45 he was staring at my fog for 5-10 seconds, he also avoided my cannons without actually scouting them with his zerglings and he was getting extra queens without scouting my Stargate Things to note: the game was streamed + there were spectators who he could be talking to
On December 23 2010 12:14 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: What exactly do we do with these hackers? Also, has anyone heard anything of Blizzard banning these specific guys?
#1. so the forums don't get flooded with people posting "so and so caught hacking, replay here"
#2. if you ever find yourself in a situation where you think you might be playing against a hacker, you can check here as well as searching the forum database to see if the person is a member here, or has been previously posted here.
blizzard does bans in waves, so sooner or later, the hackers will get caught and have their accounts disabled.
Description : Blind scout on Metal TvP. I didnt know what to think when I saw his base just mining, no other buildings...then the zealots came.
Obvious things to note : Blind scout didn't make me think he was cheating. Watched it from his POV and he looks at my depot AND rax as soon as I start building them.
Also other reps on sc2replayed.com where people call hacks. Thanks.
Format: 1v1 Realm : North America Your name : aimless.621 Hacker Name : Dweeb Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/128902-1v1-protoss-scrap-station Description : Felt like a normal PvP game on Scrap Station, except he never scouted. And he never moved out, except for one attack with two stalkers. In fact, I won the game pretty easily. I wanted to watch the replay to see why he never attacked me. I found out it was because he was terrible at macro and kept checking his army against mine through the fog of war. Obvious things to note : In the first 2 minutes, he stares at my base 3 separate times through the fog of war. At 5:25, he stares at my unscouted nat expo and rallies two stalkers there, then pans right to my pylon building on the high ground area by the natural. Stares directly at my army/base for a few seconds around 6:48 without vision. **Stares at my observer under the fog without detection at 9:36, then watches my base again.** Peeks back at my army at 10:43, then again at 13:14. **Most obvious evidence: At 13:42, stares at my base under fog and sees me chronoboosting 2 forges, then immediately goes to his base and builds 3 forges. Note that he never had vision of the forges, much less the fact I was chronoboosting.** **At 14:20, watches my army knock down the rocks without vision.** Also, after looking at my base/army through the fog, he would often queue up units (not that it's good to do, but it suggests that he may have had vision).
Format: 1v1 Realm: North America Name: Fiercegore Hacker: CryptiCChaos
He proxied 2 gates in my base on a four player map without ever scouting my base. You can tell from about 4 seconds that he knows where my base is. He keeps looking up around 1:30 + without ever having a scout up there.
Sorry if this is not good enough evidence, but his last 20 games at least was the same exact build order, 8 gateway 8 gateway. I even sent a tell to some of the other people he's player and it looked fishy for them too.
Description: Villian proxies right outside my base on delta quadrant without scouting.
Several other people can confirm Hailey is hacking. Myself and some other players were talking about the following replay and then spec'd two additional games.
Description: ~12 minutes, nostradomus observer scan beyond FoW. ~14min, pre-emptive Thor movement to counter a stalker cheese. Watch from his camera as he is already moving before the first stalker warps or does damage. ~16min same attack, same pre-emptive movement seconds earlier. ~17min, the same guy with gosu reaction and awareness now allows a warp prism to drop a probe into his Island expo, then proceeds to not notice it for 3 minutes. Can post additional replays if needed.
Description: ~12 minutes, nostradomus observer scan beyond FoW. ~14min, pre-emptive Thor movement to counter a stalker cheese. Watch from his camera as he is already moving before the first stalker warps or does damage. ~16min same attack, same pre-emptive movement seconds earlier. ~17min, the same guy with gosu reaction and awareness now allows a warp prism to drop a probe into his Island expo, then proceeds to not notice it for 3 minutes. Can post additional replays if needed.
Format: 1v1 Realm: NA Your Name: OrangeApples.567 Hacker Name: Hailey
edit: Replay mentioned in post above.
Description:
No scouting the entire game (no scans either), takes out a proxy pylon. Pre emptive movements to counter drops and when the units move towards his front. Also produces a Raven as DTs came onto the field.
Description: 11:16, watch purple's player cam, checks all 3 opponent mains, of which he has no vision. He also looked at my nat immediately before I got a desynch, leading me to believe this was the result of a drop hack.
Description : Blind scout on Metal TvP. I didnt know what to think when I saw his base just mining, no other buildings...then the zealots came.
Obvious things to note : Blind scout didn't make me think he was cheating. Watched it from his POV and he looks at my depot AND rax as soon as I start building them.
Also other reps on sc2replayed.com where people call hacks. Thanks.
He hacks, I am 100% sure he doesnt even try and hide it
Realm: North America Your name: Ewic Hacker Name: CptnQtpi Replay:Here Description: From the start he somehow disabled ALL hotkeys for me. Also, I could not click the minimap to move around. In addition, he kept pinging where my units were (knew where I spawned instantly on Delta Quadrant and pinged my base) and I could see the pings (clearly had fog of war turned off). ALSO I couldn't type ANYTHING to him, it just wouldn't let me input a message. I just surrendered because it's impossible to play under those conditions. The weird thing is that in the replay he appears normal, though the pings do show. Obvious things to note: -knew my starting location and blatantly pinged it repeatedly -I'd have a long list of things here except on the replay most of them aren't viewable.
On February 01 2011 08:39 Ewic wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Ewic Hacker Name: CptnQtpi Replay:Here Description: From the start he somehow disabled ALL hotkeys for me. Also, I could not click the minimap to move around. In addition, he kept pinging where my units were (knew where I spawned instantly on Delta Quadrant and pinged my base) and I could see the pings (clearly had fog of war turned off). ALSO I couldn't type ANYTHING to him, it just wouldn't let me input a message. I just surrendered because it's impossible to play under those conditions. The weird thing is that in the replay he appears normal, though the pings do show. Obvious things to note: -knew my starting location and blatantly pinged it repeatedly -I'd have a long list of things here except on the replay most of them aren't viewable.
I haven't heard of a hack that disables your opponent's controls.
The pings in the replay are blue (your color) and match every move you try to make, i.e. splitting workers or moving the scouting SCV. Replays will also never show enemy pings but only those you do yourself. In the replay, he has his view on his base and his scouting probe only, never watching FoW. Googling CptnQtpi resulted in some normal replays, a 52% win quote on SC2Ranks and his own live stream - which doesn't look like the usual hacker to me.
Under the circumstances, no matter how frustrating the loss, I'd rather think you had some weird input bug / issues. Pressing Alt+Crtl while on the main screen will ping on the minimap; maybe those two where stuck somehow? Dunno.
Realm: Europe Your name: Nimic Hacker Name: xeqtr Replay: Here Description: Went for an obvious 4 gate, and then called it off after panning his view over my (fogged) base for several seconds. He did this a few more times during the game, and in one case he put his view on two marines I had scouting at different parts of the map, having no vision of them. Also played generally poorly (31 APM, cannons, etc) for a diamond player.
On February 01 2011 08:39 Ewic wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Ewic Hacker Name: CptnQtpi Replay:Here Description: From the start he somehow disabled ALL hotkeys for me. Also, I could not click the minimap to move around. In addition, he kept pinging where my units were (knew where I spawned instantly on Delta Quadrant and pinged my base) and I could see the pings (clearly had fog of war turned off). ALSO I couldn't type ANYTHING to him, it just wouldn't let me input a message. I just surrendered because it's impossible to play under those conditions. The weird thing is that in the replay he appears normal, though the pings do show. Obvious things to note: -knew my starting location and blatantly pinged it repeatedly -I'd have a long list of things here except on the replay most of them aren't viewable.
I haven't heard of a hack that disables your opponent's controls.
The pings in the replay are blue (your color) and match every move you try to make, i.e. splitting workers or moving the scouting SCV. Replays will also never show enemy pings but only those you do yourself. In the replay, he has his view on his base and his scouting probe only, never watching FoW. Googling CptnQtpi resulted in some normal replays, a 52% win quote on SC2Ranks and his own live stream - which doesn't look like the usual hacker to me.
Under the circumstances, no matter how frustrating the loss, I'd rather think you had some weird input bug / issues. Pressing Alt+Crtl while on the main screen will ping on the minimap; maybe those two where stuck somehow? Dunno.
I've had a similar issue before. The easiest fix for me is to just alt tab out and tab back in. Sounds like an issue on your end.
Edit: Usually it occurs when I alt tab out on the loading screen.
On February 01 2011 08:39 Ewic wrote: Realm: North America Your name: Ewic Hacker Name: CptnQtpi Replay:Here Description: From the start he somehow disabled ALL hotkeys for me. Also, I could not click the minimap to move around. In addition, he kept pinging where my units were (knew where I spawned instantly on Delta Quadrant and pinged my base) and I could see the pings (clearly had fog of war turned off). ALSO I couldn't type ANYTHING to him, it just wouldn't let me input a message. I just surrendered because it's impossible to play under those conditions. The weird thing is that in the replay he appears normal, though the pings do show. Obvious things to note: -knew my starting location and blatantly pinged it repeatedly -I'd have a long list of things here except on the replay most of them aren't viewable.
I appreciate the replies on my report, and I realize my replay doesn't show much about my opponent, but I'm positive it wasn't some weird bug on my end. If I run into him again I'll quickly load up my stream and it will auto-record and I'll send you guys that if that by-chance comes up.
Format: 1v1 Realm : North America Your name : IcedBacon Hacker Name : ClubGlam Replay : http://replayfu.com/r/Dr4Tfj Description : Proxy two gate on delta quadrant at nat without scouting Obvious things to note : No scout Looks at base Flaunting
Realm : North America Your name : elcoco Hacker Name : Rab Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/135189-1v1-terran-xelnaga-caverns Description : Rab dropped me from the game when he was losing an all-in battle. There were period of huge lag prior to him dropping me before the battle. .
Kantutan, ClubGlam is a HACKER! I have the replay to prove it too. Please let me know where i can upload it. I dont have time right now but he went STRAIGHT to my base without scout and visibility and made a pylon and two gateways. There was still now scout after the gateways finished then he made 3 zealots. The first scout he did was with the three zealots in my base!!! Instant death. This guy is a #1 diamond on his way to masters....REPORT HIM!!!
Realm: North America Your name: Ewic Hacker Name: CptnQtpi Replay:Here Description: From the start he somehow disabled ALL hotkeys for me. Also, I could not click the minimap to move around. In addition, he kept pinging where my units were (knew where I spawned instantly on Delta Quadrant and pinged my base) and I could see the pings (clearly had fog of war turned off). ALSO I couldn't type ANYTHING to him, it just wouldn't let me input a message. I just surrendered because it's impossible to play under those conditions. The weird thing is that in the replay he appears normal, though the pings do show. Obvious things to note: -knew my starting location and blatantly pinged it repeatedly -I'd have a long list of things here except on the replay most of them aren't viewable
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Just so you know, this happens to me every now and then. It happens when i tab into a game as it starts, and its almost like the ALT button is being held. This is why pings are everywhere. I just tab out and back in again, and that fixes the problem. No hacker here.
I didn't expect this because I played with a few WISH members back when the game came out. I'm not even sure, but if he is on WISH, then teaCher should really check this out. Hopefully I'm wrong because i'm pretty sure they're members of the liquid community.
Format: 1v1 Realm : North America Your name : jnay Hacker Name : envywish Replay :http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/137445-1v1-terran-protoss-shakuras-plateau Description : cross positions, he scouted me only once to find out where i was(i think he was trying to hide it) and never scouts me again. blind counters and perfect positioning. Obvious things to note : not one single observer on his player camera. at 13:49 he pans to where my vikings are without vision and reacts by moving his stalkers to protect colossus on my first push, without vision he had already selected his units and gets ready to defend(force fields and such)
Realm : North America Your name : Amalaxinaoum and Crocodile (not related) Hacker Name : ClubGlam Replay : http://replayfu.com/r/sSng8g and http://replayfu.com/r/HwjnGf Description : 1v1 replays of myself and Crocodile playing against the same person, not friends or anything, after I watched the replay I tried finding someone who played against him on a 4player map with the same strat, turns out the guy uses the same strat on every single map. Map is on Shakuras, same Protoss (ClubGlam) vs 2 Zerg, myself and Cocodile. Both Proxy 2gates with zealot pressure. Obvious things to note : Proxied the correct position on a 4p map without scouting ~ 0:55 Random looking in base with no scout through fog ~ 1:05 Random looking in base with no scout through fog ~ 3:30 more random looking in base through fog ~ 3:45 a moving to building spine crawler through fog ~ 5:00 - 5:15 more random look in base through fog ~ 6:05 - 6:25 more random looking in base through fog ~ 7:05 - looked at where lings were through fog ~ 9:30 - more random looking into base through fog These timings were from my replay, I didn't analyze the other replay just browsed through it, timings aren't important just note the shady play, checking fogged areas, not scouting, both replays provide evidence that he is maphacking.
Is there a crash hack? Played a player named Enlightened on NA. I had won, he waited until he had a single assimilator and then bam, computer crash into blue screen. It has never done that before. The game has crashed, but never the computer. Seeing as how he waited until a single assimilator then all of a sudden a crash that ive never seen before.
Edit. Quick google search reveals this is the case. Dont have a replay though as the replay isnt saved when you crash.
Format: Realm : North America Your name : Mendigo Hacker Name : MURDERFACE Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/141110-1v1-terran-delta-quadrant Description : TvT on my newly created Random Account on Delta Quadrant. Practically a mirror match minus the fact he went for blue flame hellions and I went for faster cloaked banshees. Obvious things to note : This is a tough call and I'm hoping the TL community can clear things up. To begin, everything seemed normal at first. First he happened to get a lucky first scout, not a problem at all. BUT, if you look at the scouting path of his SCV, it is rallied to my base and then directly back to his mineral line. Usually people send a scout and rally it to the rest of the other spawning locations. There was also a weird instance at around the 7:30 mark when he glanced at my hellions in the fog of war right before they came into the back of his base. It was very suspicious and I'm posting the game to hopefully get some insight. Thanks in advance.
Edit: Wanted to Bold the Title and Subtitles Edit: Incite to Insight
Format: 1v1 Realm : EU Your name : RaBiTT Hacker Name : PwndByLeAn Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/142436-3v3-terran-protoss-zerg-dig-site Description : he has maphack and i was with him and livemeteor in ts3. he said exactly what enemies where doing and that z is doing gold expo ind mid. Obvious things to note : first me rush exactly to gold because he said there is one. then we all rushed him. Then he said terran is under the gold and we rushed him. GG
Cross positions, a token zergling scout mid game. Reacts to my army several times. Drops multiple Nidus worms on me with no sight, The guy was quite abusive as well.
Obvious things of note.
Watching my base or army through the fog at: 1:56, 4:50, 6:10, 7:20, 7:50, 8:50, 10:20, 11:47, 13:10, 14:50, 18:09, 18:50, 26:30, 28:20, 30:40, 42:00
Multiple Nidus Worms with no sight at: 19:25, 20:30, 27:55, 28:50, 30:50,
Realm : North America Your name : SladeR Hacker Name : imasian Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/144890-1v1-terran-protoss-typhon-peaks Description : 40 apm 3300 master terran, never used a scan, a-moved a few marauders to hidden expo without ever scouting. never scouted my main. knew army location etc. Obvious things to note : Hidden expo a click.
Just want your thoughts on this guy. he didnt do anything super blatant other than a attack a hidden expo, never scanned, is basically a 3300 terran with 40 apm who 3rax's every game.
format: 1v1 Realm: North America Your Name: MrPrezbo.337 Hacker's name: FinalForm Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?1pgumftjmkg3lzz Description: He sent a probe at 6 on metalopolis directly outside my base and proxy gated. He never looked at my base through the fog of war because he didn't need to. I tried to confront him after the game, but guess what! Preemptively ignored. What a piece of garbage.
Description: Villian proxies right outside my base on delta quadrant without scouting.
Several other people can confirm Hailey is hacking. Myself and some other players were talking about the following replay and then spec'd two additional games.
Description: ~12 minutes, nostradomus observer scan beyond FoW. ~14min, pre-emptive Thor movement to counter a stalker cheese. Watch from his camera as he is already moving before the first stalker warps or does damage. ~16min same attack, same pre-emptive movement seconds earlier. ~17min, the same guy with gosu reaction and awareness now allows a warp prism to drop a probe into his Island expo, then proceeds to not notice it for 3 minutes. Can post additional replays if needed.
xitoxicNL Format: 1v1 Realm : Europe Your name : ABomB Hacker Name : xitoxicNL Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/143917-1v1-protoss-lost-temple Description : ive played him 4 times on ladder its so obvious he hacks he never scouts/take xel naga towers,hes always looking at my base/army threw the fog of war
Obvious things to note : he looks at my base at very start,when i push out with 5 stalkers he looks at my army comp threw the fog of war,he expands when he sees im not 4 gating,doesnt take any xelnaga towers,never scouts,when my 1rst atack comes he sends hes units just in time
On March 08 2011 06:20 A-BomB wrote: xitoxicNL Format: 1v1 Realm : Europe Your name : ABomB Hacker Name : xitoxicNL Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/143917-1v1-protoss-lost-temple Description : ive played him 4 times on ladder its so obvious he hacks he never scouts/take xel naga towers,hes always looking at my base/army threw the fog of war
Obvious things to note : he looks at my base at very start,when i push out with 5 stalkers he looks at my army comp threw the fog of war,he expands when he sees im not 4 gating,doesnt take any xelnaga towers,never scouts,when my 1rst atack comes he sends hes units just in time
Played him as well today, I've sent a replay to blizzard about it and filled in something on their website, hopefully he will be banned.
Obvious things to note : 5:23: Moves marines back into base, starts moving them north, then suddenly further north towards an OL. You can see his move command at 5:25, before he even sees the OL. Then he sends the marines north right towards my other overlord with a move + attack command queue.
14:58: Blatantly looks at my lings attacking the rocks. He looks at these lings later on the game when they are idle.
15:19: Looks at my army near gold base.
15:53: He begins to siege at tower, then decided to move 3 tanks to a better position, seems logical. He sieges, then scans right over my army that was trying to run around his position. He never once scans any of my bases, yet decides to scan to randomly over my flanking army.
17:01: Looks at lings that were once attacking the rocks, but are now idle.
Some other things I thought were suspicious, but not really blatant. The lings at the rocks, twice, were.
GONNA START FROM WHERE I LEFT OFF AND NOT STOP UNTIL ITS UPDATED
all reps up to page 12 100% done(to my knowledge, if i missed any please let me know)
ON TO THE REST
On November 29 2010 05:26 LuDwig- wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : LuDwig Hacker Name : FreeLife Replay :http://www.mediafire.com/?vot2oteudaka8yg Description : -he scouts me position immediatly (cross positions) -when i start my hidden tech he send a marine to the exact place where my hidden tech is (he made a long route) -at delta quadrant he find out the pylon with dark templar warped in (it is really not unusual..but for me is quite hard to believe that you move ALL your army to scout for that) -not to mention that he make the perfect counter (but that could be also luck) I alredy tried to look from his POW but it seems to never look my base. What do you think?
This replay no longer exists.
On December 01 2010 18:58 chubbs wrote: this guy rallies at my base without scouting on 4player map here's the replay http://www.mediafire.com/?5ec5hv1il0p0664 only 8mins long
post in correct format plz
On November 29 2010 07:36 attackfighter wrote: Realm : North America Your name : UmadCUZuBAD Hacker Name : Itwasluck Replay : Description : I make proxy starport w/ cloaked banshees which he never scouts, yet he counters it perfectly by fast expanding and making only 1 zealot, 6 stalkers and 2 observers all game. He also has his stalkers stationed at the route my banshees would take to get to his base, again without scouting that I was even proxying much less where the proxy was. After the game I looked at his past games and he had something like 30 wins and only a handful of losses, that combined with his name makes it pretty clear imo that he's a map hacker.
he never once looks into the fog, except to move his probe/rally his obs he was probablyl just noticing your lack of units and playing safe.
not a hacker imo
On December 06 2010 16:37 fkcneo wrote: Realm : North America Your name : FkcNeO Hacker Name : FinalForm Replay : https://www.yousendit.com/download/cEd2V0p6Qzd3TGhjR0E9PQ Description : Proxy gates whitout search in 4 players map, is the second time i found a hacker, the first time was in metalopolis, some guy making proxy gates whitout search in a very comented threat, i stoped the proxys in that time, but now this guys have 2300++ pts, the last got guest pass, sorry for my english.
link expired
On December 31 2010 01:37 Ratel wrote: North American Server Your name: Ratel Hacker name: Wesleys Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?94qv7pqz0l54f15 Description: around 3:45 he was staring at my fog for 5-10 seconds, he also avoided my cannons without actually scouting them with his zerglings and he was getting extra queens without scouting my Stargate Things to note: the game was streamed + there were spectators who he could be talking to
should ghosting be considered hacking? if anyone else thinks so then i'll add, if not ill just dismiss as watching a stream
Description: 11:16, watch purple's player cam, checks all 3 opponent mains, of which he has no vision. He also looked at my nat immediately before I got a desynch, leading me to believe this was the result of a drop hack.
is a single fog of war stare(followed by a potential bnet2.0(AMAZING)) crash justifyable? usually they'll stare through out the game not just at one point
On February 05 2011 23:26 carloselcoco wrote: Realm : North America Your name : elcoco Hacker Name : Rab Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/135189-1v1-terran-xelnaga-caverns Description : Rab dropped me from the game when he was losing an all-in battle. There were period of huge lag prior to him dropping me before the battle. .
drop hacks arent justifiable since as we all know bnet likes to shit on itself once in a while
On September 09 2010 02:30 ZlaSHeR wrote: Theres gonna be so much false reporting here I bet, if the example description is "he built turrets for something he didn't scout" lol.
If people fuck with this thread then they're taking a trip to disneyland
as of right now im on page 15, thread will be fully updated momentarily
I didn't expect this because I played with a few WISH members back when the game came out. I'm not even sure, but if he is on WISH, then teaCher should really check this out. Hopefully I'm wrong because i'm pretty sure they're members of the liquid community.
Format: 1v1 Realm : North America Your name : jnay Hacker Name : envywish Replay :http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/137445-1v1-terran-protoss-shakuras-plateau Description : cross positions, he scouted me only once to find out where i was(i think he was trying to hide it) and never scouts me again. blind counters and perfect positioning. Obvious things to note : not one single observer on his player camera. at 13:49 he pans to where my vikings are without vision and reacts by moving his stalkers to protect colossus on my first push, without vision he had already selected his units and gets ready to defend(force fields and such)
watch the replay. you'll know for yourself[/QUOTE] i dunno the viking thing was the only moderately suspicious thing..maybe someone else can point something out i missed? nothing else looked off to me but does he really not hotkey any units? or was my replay just messed up
On February 19 2011 08:16 NET wrote: Format: Realm : North America Your name : Mendigo Hacker Name : MURDERFACE Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/141110-1v1-terran-delta-quadrant Description : TvT on my newly created Random Account on Delta Quadrant. Practically a mirror match minus the fact he went for blue flame hellions and I went for faster cloaked banshees. Obvious things to note : This is a tough call and I'm hoping the TL community can clear things up. To begin, everything seemed normal at first. First he happened to get a lucky first scout, not a problem at all. BUT, if you look at the scouting path of his SCV, it is rallied to my base and then directly back to his mineral line. Usually people send a scout and rally it to the rest of the other spawning locations. There was also a weird instance at around the 7:30 mark when he glanced at my hellions in the fog of war right before they came into the back of his base. It was very suspicious and I'm posting the game to hopefully get some insight. Thanks in advance.
Edit: Wanted to Bold the Title and Subtitles Edit: Incite to Insight
i dunno maybe he rallys back to his minerals then changes if you arent there? i mean he doesnt stare at the fog from what i can tell, and doesnt really do anything suspicious other than that maybe i can get a second thought on this?
On March 01 2011 04:13 Phayze wrote: Realm : North America Your name : SladeR Hacker Name : imasian Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/144890-1v1-terran-protoss-typhon-peaks Description : 40 apm 3300 master terran, never used a scan, a-moved a few marauders to hidden expo without ever scouting. never scouted my main. knew army location etc. Obvious things to note : Hidden expo a click.
Just want your thoughts on this guy. he didnt do anything super blatant other than a attack a hidden expo, never scanned, is basically a 3300 terran with 40 apm who 3rax's every game.
he wasnt hacking at all, he saw your probe go up to the top expo, one would assume youre going to do some sneaky fast expo bullshit(hell from playing broodwar even idve assumed that without scouting)
i dont know why you felt the need to be a douchebag though
On March 10 2011 11:34 DNT.Luxx wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Luxx Hacker Name : MassiveLoad Replay : http://www.dtguilds.com/luxx/MassiveLoad.SC2Replay Description : Usual ZvT, when I notice some odd things in his play.
Obvious things to note : 5:23: Moves marines back into base, starts moving them north, then suddenly further north towards an OL. You can see his move command at 5:25, before he even sees the OL. Then he sends the marines north right towards my other overlord with a move + attack command queue.
14:58: Blatantly looks at my lings attacking the rocks. He looks at these lings later on the game when they are idle.
15:19: Looks at my army near gold base.
15:53: He begins to siege at tower, then decided to move 3 tanks to a better position, seems logical. He sieges, then scans right over my army that was trying to run around his position. He never once scans any of my bases, yet decides to scan to randomly over my flanking army.
17:01: Looks at lings that were once attacking the rocks, but are now idle.
Some other things I thought were suspicious, but not really blatant. The lings at the rocks, twice, were.
okay,, i dunno i never saw him looking at the lings(i was going on x4 though) the scan vs your counter he's in the mid of the map so a flank or something in the new lt would be quite obviously the best thing to do as zerg so i could contribute that to star sense or just luck
either way i don tthink he was hacking
and with that, the entire thread is now up to date
On March 08 2011 06:20 A-BomB wrote: xitoxicNL Format: 1v1 Realm : Europe Your name : ABomB Hacker Name : xitoxicNL Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/143917-1v1-protoss-lost-temple Description : ive played him 4 times on ladder its so obvious he hacks he never scouts/take xel naga towers,hes always looking at my base/army threw the fog of war
Obvious things to note : he looks at my base at very start,when i push out with 5 stalkers he looks at my army comp threw the fog of war,he expands when he sees im not 4 gating,doesnt take any xelnaga towers,never scouts,when my 1rst atack comes he sends hes units just in time
Played him as well today, I've sent a replay to blizzard about it and filled in something on their website, hopefully he will be banned.
Clear maphack. Figured hes hacking pretty fast, won him easily and even did some tricks while playing to be 100% sure after i watch replay. And i was.
okay,, i dunno i never saw him looking at the lings(i was going on x4 though) the scan vs your counter he's in the mid of the map so a flank or something in the new lt would be quite obviously the best thing to do as zerg so i could contribute that to star sense or just luck
either way i don tthink he was hacking
and with that, the entire thread is now up to date
So why don't you slow it down when it gets to the time I am telling you? He looked at the lings TWICE. You've countlessly determined people hacking when they pan their camera over fog of war, but then you play the replays to x4 speed, seems counterintuitive. Goto his camera, pause exactly at the times I stated.
okay,, i dunno i never saw him looking at the lings(i was going on x4 though) the scan vs your counter he's in the mid of the map so a flank or something in the new lt would be quite obviously the best thing to do as zerg so i could contribute that to star sense or just luck
either way i don tthink he was hacking
and with that, the entire thread is now up to date
So why don't you slow it down when it gets to the time I am telling you? He looked at the lings TWICE. You've countlessly determined people hacking when they pan their camera over fog of war, but then you play the replays to x4 speed, seems counterintuitive. Goto his camera, pause exactly at the times I stated.
Ive just got home but i w ill do it, most of the time i can x2/4 a rep and catch them looking at the fog, i may have just overlooked it actually my apologies
Realm : Europe Your name : Any Hacker Name : Antagon Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/149944-1v1-protoss-zerg-backwater-gulch Description : Antagon used maphack. He directly goes to my base and builds proxy double gate on a 4 player map. I also received messages from other players who got proxy gated like this. Obvious things to note : His probe already went into my base's corner without having seen creep or another unit.
On March 14 2011 20:54 Anyon3 wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : Any Hacker Name : Antagon Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/149944-1v1-protoss-zerg-backwater-gulch Description : Antagon used maphack. He directly goes to my base and builds proxy double gate on a 4 player map. I also received messages from other players who got proxy gated like this. Obvious things to note : His probe already went into my base's corner without having seen creep or another unit.
Seems like he is legit. Saw the creep on the way there. Hate to play devils advocate but it just doesn't seem like enough to qualify him a hacker.
On March 14 2011 20:54 Anyon3 wrote: Realm : Europe Your name : Any Hacker Name : Antagon Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/149944-1v1-protoss-zerg-backwater-gulch Description : Antagon used maphack. He directly goes to my base and builds proxy double gate on a 4 player map. I also received messages from other players who got proxy gated like this. Obvious things to note : His probe already went into my base's corner without having seen creep or another unit.
Sorry guy, but this isn't that hard proofed, he did get vision of the creep and hadn't created the pylon until he had some vision of the creep. Though it's a little curious that he had went to the corner at the beginning, it's very common for someone who is proxying like that, it was more of a "God, I hope he's at this position." and he just got the better end of the deal.
Description : Maphacker, placed units to stop banshee harass instantly, lots of fog of war checking, got perfect unit composition to counter.
Obvious things to note: He checks the fog of war in my base quite often. Too many times to really list, but I will if you'd like me to. Makes 3 observers and phoenix to counter the mass banshees that he NEVER scouted.
Realm : US/Na Your name : Ziddy Hacker Name : iRagequit Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/150388-1v1-protoss-backwater-gulch Description : Blatant Maphacker + production hacker, I had my suspicions when I saw him chrono zealots for no particular reason without scouting.
2:58-3:00 Looks into fog of war without scouting, right at my base 4:10 - Looks into the fog of war AGAIN watching my zealots approach his base. 5:50 - Does the same thing, looking for my tech
Case closed at this point, although he probably did more blatant shit.
Anyway he's a 3500+ masters league player. Retarded to see people on the ladder that high abusing.
okay,, i dunno i never saw him looking at the lings(i was going on x4 though) the scan vs your counter he's in the mid of the map so a flank or something in the new lt would be quite obviously the best thing to do as zerg so i could contribute that to star sense or just luck
either way i don tthink he was hacking
and with that, the entire thread is now up to date
So why don't you slow it down when it gets to the time I am telling you? He looked at the lings TWICE. You've countlessly determined people hacking when they pan their camera over fog of war, but then you play the replays to x4 speed, seems counterintuitive. Goto his camera, pause exactly at the times I stated.
Ive just got home but i w ill do it, most of the time i can x2/4 a rep and catch them looking at the fog, i may have just overlooked it actually my apologies
probably the reason you couldnt notice it at x2/4 was because the guy was very subtle about it, he never stopped the camera moving he just scanned past, first watch through i didnt think he was hacking but on the second pass i think he was just good at it
although the spire was up forever and he never built a single turret, but i think his game sense is terrible... anyways just my two cents
On March 16 2011 07:49 Zidane wrote: Realm : US/Na Your name : Ziddy Hacker Name : iRagequit Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/150388-1v1-protoss-backwater-gulch Description : Blatant Maphacker + production hacker, I had my suspicions when I saw him chrono zealots for no particular reason without scouting.
2:58-3:00 Looks into fog of war without scouting, right at my base 4:10 - Looks into the fog of war AGAIN watching my zealots approach his base. 5:50 - Does the same thing, looking for my tech
Case closed at this point, although he probably did more blatant shit.
Anyway he's a 3500+ masters league player. Retarded to see people on the ladder that high abusing.
map hackers that high would have been banned by now. that means they're smart enough not to look into fog of war right at the opponents base. most likely a coincidence, if you could call it that. you both chrono'd your zealots. it could have went both ways really. and i x8'd the replay (along with some other repalys in this thread, so i don't remember clearly), but he did scout aftwards iirc. a lot of people look into fog of war to check terrain, building placement, proxy pylons, etc. looks like he was going to go a 2 gate opening but changed his mind and went straight into 4 gate.
and lol. how can you look at full map view and player cam at same time? i still haven't figured that out.
probably the reason you couldnt notice it at x2/4 was because the guy was very subtle about it, he never stopped the camera moving he just scanned past, first watch through i didnt think he was hacking but on the second pass i think he was just good at it
although the spire was up forever and he never built a single turret, but i think his game sense is terrible... anyways just my two cents
doesn't look like he was hacking
like, most of these reports are a joke. looking into fog of war / countering builds =/= hacking. and aren't you supposed to report to blizzard, not here? unless blizz reps checks here lel
Description : Maphacker, placed units to stop banshee harass instantly, lots of fog of war checking, got perfect unit composition to counter.
Obvious things to note: He checks the fog of war in my base quite often. Too many times to really list, but I will if you'd like me to. Makes 3 observers and phoenix to counter the mass banshees that he NEVER scouted.
Please ban his ass =]
making an observer based on your play is standard.. you guys have to stop raging when you lose.
I'm sorry, did you even watch my replay? Here's a TINY example of what he did to prove it...
I send a banshee around the sides of the map to harass. He checks the fog of war EXACTLY where my banshee was and moves his stalker and his observer to intercept it when it reaches his base. He never once used his observer to scout my base. He never even scouted after the initial worker. Not to mention his mechanics were AWFUL for a 3200 Masters level Protoss. He queued 5 workers up constantly.
I really don't need to explain this to you...ah well.
Format: Realm : North America Your name : NaYeBo Hacker Name : Fox Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/150597-1v1-terran-protoss-backwater-gulch#c1 Description : Does not scout entire game Knew when my army was coming and where it was coming The second I move in a direction, he sets his army appropriately (even though I'm half way across the map)
Wow this is kinda refreshing. I remember seeing a few of those names on ladder and having some really frustrating times playing against them. This thread rocks ill be reporting suspicious stuff here in the future!
Format: Realm : Europe Your name : Mehulasi Hacker Name : aEx Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/150673-1v1-protoss-zerg-metalopolis Description : I was 4 gating a zerg on metalopolis. I did a standard 1 gas 4gate and when I got there there was 4 spines waiting for me. I checked the replay and he never scouted my base but from his point of view he checked my base a couple of times through fog of war as well as my 2 zealots on the xel'naga tower. He was likely trying to avoid looking like an obvious maphacker by just glancing my base and units for a very short time.
On March 17 2011 00:47 Maitolasi wrote: Format: Realm : Europe Your name : Mehulasi Hacker Name : aEx Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/150673-1v1-protoss-zerg-metalopolis Description : I was 4 gating a zerg on metalopolis. I did a standard 1 gas 4gate and when I got there there was 4 spines waiting for me. I checked the replay and he never scouted my base but from his point of view he checked my base a couple of times through fog of war as well as my 2 zealots on the xel'naga tower. He was likely trying to avoid looking like an obvious maphacker by just glancing my base and units for a very short time.
Hmm.
The zerg never scouts you, but looks through fog the second your two zealots are taking the tower.
On March 16 2011 07:49 Zidane wrote: Realm : US/Na Your name : Ziddy Hacker Name : iRagequit Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/150388-1v1-protoss-backwater-gulch Description : Blatant Maphacker + production hacker, I had my suspicions when I saw him chrono zealots for no particular reason without scouting.
2:58-3:00 Looks into fog of war without scouting, right at my base 4:10 - Looks into the fog of war AGAIN watching my zealots approach his base. 5:50 - Does the same thing, looking for my tech
Case closed at this point, although he probably did more blatant shit.
Anyway he's a 3500+ masters league player. Retarded to see people on the ladder that high abusing.
map hackers that high would have been banned by now. that means they're smart enough not to look into fog of war right at the opponents base. most likely a coincidence, if you could call it that. you both chrono'd your zealots. it could have went both ways really. and i x8'd the replay (along with some other repalys in this thread, so i don't remember clearly), but he did scout aftwards iirc. a lot of people look into fog of war to check terrain, building placement, proxy pylons, etc. looks like he was going to go a 2 gate opening but changed his mind and went straight into 4 gate.
and lol. how can you look at full map view and player cam at same time? i still haven't figured that out.
Okay you're either the guy who hacked in my game, completely blind, or you just don't understand the game of starcraft. Watch the replay and look at the times I listed in NORMAL OR FAST, you will NOT see it in x2x4x8. After you see him looking into the fog of war PAUSE IT, and SHOW VISION. You will see exactly what he is looking at, its not looking at TERRAIN. OMFG
NA Nobbob Panda no replay as it never showed up description: I was playing a normal game but when I scouted he wasn't in any of the spawn locations(must have spawned terran as he was random). So I built an observer and started scouting around the map but never found him. At about the 7 minute mark my computer had froze up and I had to restart( it was not a normal disconnect). I opened Starcraft 2 back up and went to my replay folder and that match wasn't there. I then went to my match history and went to my opponent's profile and looked at his match history and all of his games were losses but all of the games were within 1 minute of each other except mine. Most of his games the time was 0 minute 0 seconds so I am convinced he was attempting a drop hack but is messing it up and is getting losses for all of them.
It starts out normally at first he sends a probe scout and what not
but then unlike other normal protoss i play against on the ladder, he doesnt even send a zealot or stalker up my ramp to try and see whats there
where it gets really obvious is when he sends his WHOLE army to stop my drop which he had no possible way of seeing at all.. looking at the replay you can see his cam focused on my base through FoW and also the cam is focused on my drop through FoW as well
edit: at 11:20 as soon as i load my first 2 medvacs he suddenly relocates his army for no reason at 11:28 his camera pans to exactly where my medvacs through fog of war
Description : Maphacker, placed units to stop banshee harass instantly, lots of fog of war checking, got perfect unit composition to counter.
Obvious things to note: He checks the fog of war in my base quite often. Too many times to really list, but I will if you'd like me to. Makes 3 observers and phoenix to counter the mass banshees that he NEVER scouted.
Please ban his ass =]
Pretty obviously hacking imo. Constantly looking at your base, obs and stalkers to mineral line before banshee, several obs... really a no brainer.
Description : Maphacker, placed units to stop banshee harass instantly, lots of fog of war checking, got perfect unit composition to counter.
Obvious things to note: He checks the fog of war in my base quite often. Too many times to really list, but I will if you'd like me to. Makes 3 observers and phoenix to counter the mass banshees that he NEVER scouted.
Please ban his ass =]
Was about to post my replay of this guy too hahaaha
Description: This guy is an obvious hacker here's a replay of him on metalopolis constantly looking at my base through fog without once scouting it whatsoever. Also snipes nydus worms in obscure places he has no vision of. Kind of sad really, he gets mad too and accuses me of hacking because he still lost the game even with map hacks -_-
Description : Maphacker, placed units to stop banshee harass instantly, lots of fog of war checking, got perfect unit composition to counter.
Obvious things to note: He checks the fog of war in my base quite often. Too many times to really list, but I will if you'd like me to. Makes 3 observers and phoenix to counter the mass banshees that he NEVER scouted.
Description : Maphacker, placed units to stop banshee harass instantly, lots of fog of war checking, got perfect unit composition to counter.
Obvious things to note: He checks the fog of war in my base quite often. Too many times to really list, but I will if you'd like me to. Makes 3 observers and phoenix to counter the mass banshees that he NEVER scouted.
Please ban his ass =]
Was about to post my replay of this guy too hahaaha
Description: This guy is an obvious hacker here's a replay of him on metalopolis constantly looking at my base through fog without once scouting it whatsoever. Also snipes nydus worms in obscure places he has no vision of. Kind of sad really, he gets mad too and accuses me of hacking because he still lost the game even with map hacks -_-
I didn't watch the replays but i did google this guy and apparently he is looking for a team... http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2267578316?page=1 Here's a funny quote where i kinda giggled: "A Pro team like Root or EG vVv or something."
Also i checked his game history but he is on a pretty sick losing streak so that kinda makes me wonder, it didn't even come close to some of the winstreaks i've seen with the really obvious hackers, he either stopped or is just basicly shit anyways even if he uses hacks.
If he did hack i hope justice will be done in the end cause i freaking hate these idiots breaking the ladder experience.
Description : Maphacker, placed units to stop banshee harass instantly, lots of fog of war checking, got perfect unit composition to counter.
Obvious things to note: He checks the fog of war in my base quite often. Too many times to really list, but I will if you'd like me to. Makes 3 observers and phoenix to counter the mass banshees that he NEVER scouted.
Description : Maphacker, placed units to stop banshee harass instantly, lots of fog of war checking, got perfect unit composition to counter.
Obvious things to note: He checks the fog of war in my base quite often. Too many times to really list, but I will if you'd like me to. Makes 3 observers and phoenix to counter the mass banshees that he NEVER scouted.
Please ban his ass =]
Was about to post my replay of this guy too hahaaha
Description: This guy is an obvious hacker here's a replay of him on metalopolis constantly looking at my base through fog without once scouting it whatsoever. Also snipes nydus worms in obscure places he has no vision of. Kind of sad really, he gets mad too and accuses me of hacking because he still lost the game even with map hacks -_-
I didn't watch the replays but i did google this guy and apparently he is looking for a team... http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2267578316?page=1 Here's a funny quote where i kinda giggled: "A Pro team like Root or EG vVv or something."
Also i checked his game history but he is on a pretty sick losing streak so that kinda makes me wonder, it didn't even come close to some of the winstreaks i've seen with the really obvious hackers, he either stopped or is just basicly shit anyways even if he uses hacks.
If he did hack i hope justice will be done in the end cause i freaking hate these idiots breaking the ladder experience.
Posted on there. Hopefully he gets banned, but I doubt it.
Description : Maphacker, placed units to stop banshee harass instantly, lots of fog of war checking, got perfect unit composition to counter.
Obvious things to note: He checks the fog of war in my base quite often. Too many times to really list, but I will if you'd like me to. Makes 3 observers and phoenix to counter the mass banshees that he NEVER scouted.
Description : Maphacker, placed units to stop banshee harass instantly, lots of fog of war checking, got perfect unit composition to counter.
Obvious things to note: He checks the fog of war in my base quite often. Too many times to really list, but I will if you'd like me to. Makes 3 observers and phoenix to counter the mass banshees that he NEVER scouted.
Please ban his ass =]
Was about to post my replay of this guy too hahaaha
Description: This guy is an obvious hacker here's a replay of him on metalopolis constantly looking at my base through fog without once scouting it whatsoever. Also snipes nydus worms in obscure places he has no vision of. Kind of sad really, he gets mad too and accuses me of hacking because he still lost the game even with map hacks -_-
I didn't watch the replays but i did google this guy and apparently he is looking for a team... http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2267578316?page=1 Here's a funny quote where i kinda giggled: "A Pro team like Root or EG vVv or something."
Also i checked his game history but he is on a pretty sick losing streak so that kinda makes me wonder, it didn't even come close to some of the winstreaks i've seen with the really obvious hackers, he either stopped or is just basicly shit anyways even if he uses hacks.
If he did hack i hope justice will be done in the end cause i freaking hate these idiots breaking the ladder experience.
Posted on there. Hopefully he gets banned, but I doubt it.
Also, nice find rofl.
Since i only have a EU account i hoped there would be a considerate person like yourself to get these two threads joined together.
Ninja edit, this one made ROFLMAO, another quote: "i talk to EGaxslav and and catz before but they are really busy with the tsl as of right now, why does everyone attack one person when they know they are good and can compete lol, like you guys are any better, most of u are silver and diamond yet you attack a master league toss."
Also, I don't get it. He says SC2 is his life, he wants to be a pro-gamer etc, then obviously hacks? What can he possibly be thinking? I guess he was something like Rank 1 Silver prior to getting his programs, it can't be very hard to win with a production queue and full vision... The fact that he loses as often as he does is a testament to how horrible he really is.
On March 21 2011 14:52 jester- wrote: Maybe he will stop by to defend himself?
Also, I don't get it. He says SC2 is his life, he wants to be a pro-gamer etc, then obviously hacks? What can he possibly be thinking? I guess he was something like Rank 1 Silver prior to getting his programs, it can't be very hard to win with a production queue and full vision... The fact that he loses as often as he does is a testament to how horrible he really is.
I doubt he will stop by, and seeing how this site is modded it won't be a long stay i guess, the guy must be shattered right now, his whole SC2 career ruined...
I don't believe one letter this guy might have typed or is going to in the future, we don't see the whole conversation on the screenshot and it's just really pathetic how he accuses someone of the thing he probably actually is doing himself...
On March 21 2011 15:27 jester- wrote: Small .gif of IBGSuicidal looking into the fog (does this dozens of times during the games).
Haha you weren't wrong about a small .gif xD
I posted on Bnet forums as well about him. I'm glad other players have found that he's been hacking as well! It's extremely refreshing to see the evidence backed up and this guy get flushed out as a con. Terrible, terrible player...I hope he gets the permaban he deserves. Thanks for posting! :D
Good job on catching IBGSuicidal, guys. I was posting in his 'looking to join a pro team' thread before someone outed him for being a hacker. He stopped posting in it after that, haha.
Realm : North America Your name : Asoka Hacker Name : Zeratul and Artanis Replay : http://drop.sc/2138/d Description : Two 1v1 Master players Map Hacking in 2v2. Every hidden expo is instantly killed. Every DT is seen. Overseers are started as Shrine goes down (he had overseers in a 2v2 at 7 minute mark). All of this WITHOUT any scouting. We were never scouted but hard countered. It is very obvious they are maphacking. Please please watch and add them to the hacker database.
Question: Is there a place I can report this to Blizzard?
On March 22 2011 15:59 Golgotha wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Asoka Hacker Name : Zeratul and Artanis Replay : http://drop.sc/2138/d Description : Two 1v1 Master players Map Hacking in 2v2. Every hidden expo is instantly killed. Every DT is seen. Overseers are started as Shrine goes down (he had overseers in a 2v2 at 7 minute mark). All of this WITHOUT any scouting. We were never scouted but hard countered. It is very obvious they are maphacking. Please please watch and add them to the hacker database.
Question: Is there a place I can report this to Blizzard?
Good job in catching them, however we've already caught them! + Show Spoiler +
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Names: Zeratul .839, Artanis .498 Replay : http://replayfu.com/r/K1fMkg Description : At about 5:00, Purple moved the camera to the proxy pylon without vision. Teal also moved the camera at the fog of war where the proxy was at various times. At about 8:15, there was a ping to the stalkers about to move in without vision.
Unfortunately, there's no place on the Blizzard websites that you can report them. The best thing you can do is report them ingame for Cheating. Add them to your friends list, right click them and select report player. From there, you can choose what you want to report them for and give a reason why.
On March 22 2011 15:59 Golgotha wrote: Realm : North America Your name : Asoka Hacker Name : Zeratul and Artanis Replay : http://drop.sc/2138/d Description : Two 1v1 Master players Map Hacking in 2v2. Every hidden expo is instantly killed. Every DT is seen. Overseers are started as Shrine goes down (he had overseers in a 2v2 at 7 minute mark). All of this WITHOUT any scouting. We were never scouted but hard countered. It is very obvious they are maphacking. Please please watch and add them to the hacker database.
Question: Is there a place I can report this to Blizzard?
Good job in catching them, however we've already caught them! + Show Spoiler +
[CONFIRMED]Hacker Names: Zeratul .839, Artanis .498 Replay : http://replayfu.com/r/K1fMkg Description : At about 5:00, Purple moved the camera to the proxy pylon without vision. Teal also moved the camera at the fog of war where the proxy was at various times. At about 8:15, there was a ping to the stalkers about to move in without vision.
Unfortunately, there's no place on the Blizzard websites that you can report them. The best thing you can do is report them ingame for Cheating. Add them to your friends list, right click them and select report player. From there, you can choose what you want to report them for and give a reason why.
<3 You made my day. Sorry about this double report. Why are they not banned yet?
Edit: Reported! I even sent Blizzard the link to the TL.net hacker data base and the replays of their hacking.
Realm : North America Your name : hahaimhenry Hacker Name : Mistake Replay : CLICK ME Description : I open standard FE, and i push, then I get dropped yet i'm still on the internet. Obvious things to note: I hit him with a sick timing, kill all his units, and he types "why is terran so op?" then i get dropped
On March 23 2011 18:08 hahaimhenry wrote: Realm : North America Your name : hahaimhenry Hacker Name : Mistake Replay : CLICK ME Description : I open standard FE, and i push, then I get dropped yet i'm still on the internet. Obvious things to note: I hit him with a sick timing, kill all his units, and he types "why is terran so op?" then i get dropped
Btw, how do I get his character code?
You can get his character code if you mouseover his portrait in his profile.
I don't think he was hacking. It was Patch day yesterday so the servers were very unstable; players were getting dropped left and right. You just had bad luck. Also, a trend in drop hackers is that they win most of their games either very very early or when it looks like they'll lose. I checked his Match History and it seems like this guy has been on a quite a losing streak. Not enough evidence here to prove he's a hacker, sorry.
On March 23 2011 18:08 hahaimhenry wrote: Realm : North America Your name : hahaimhenry Hacker Name : Mistake Replay : CLICK ME Description : I open standard FE, and i push, then I get dropped yet i'm still on the internet. Obvious things to note: I hit him with a sick timing, kill all his units, and he types "why is terran so op?" then i get dropped
Btw, how do I get his character code?
You can get his character code if you mouseover his portrait in his profile.
I don't think he was hacking. It was Patch day yesterday so the servers were very unstable; players were getting dropped left and right. You just had bad luck. Also, a trend in drop hackers is that they win most of their games either very very early or when it looks like they'll lose. I checked his Match History and it seems like this guy has been on a quite a losing streak. Not enough evidence here to prove he's a hacker, sorry.
What if he whispered me while i was on the surrender screen?
On March 23 2011 18:08 hahaimhenry wrote: Realm : North America Your name : hahaimhenry Hacker Name : Mistake Replay : CLICK ME Description : I open standard FE, and i push, then I get dropped yet i'm still on the internet. Obvious things to note: I hit him with a sick timing, kill all his units, and he types "why is terran so op?" then i get dropped
Btw, how do I get his character code?
You can get his character code if you mouseover his portrait in his profile.
I don't think he was hacking. It was Patch day yesterday so the servers were very unstable; players were getting dropped left and right. You just had bad luck. Also, a trend in drop hackers is that they win most of their games either very very early or when it looks like they'll lose. I checked his Match History and it seems like this guy has been on a quite a losing streak. Not enough evidence here to prove he's a hacker, sorry.
What if he whispered me while i was on the surrender screen?
It's happened before where one player will look like he's getting dropped, but can still communicate in that "Waiting for Players" screen. Battle.net servers are really unreliable at times and yesterday it was under the most stress. A good example of something like this happening can be found in this Day9 Daily: http://blip.tv/file/4886017 (Start at 41:30 and watch for a couple minutes, hilarious too :D)
Realm : North America Your name : feign Hacker Name : Sayo Replay : Link Description : He scans where my army is under fog without any knowledge of it being in that exact location. His camera never moves over it so it could possibly be a minimap hack. @ ~09:58 in replay. I don't have any other evidence but maybe someone else in the future may.
ok, i don't know if it was maphack, so i have to know, can you shoot a colossi with roaches on high ground without vision on xel naga mlg? if not i will post my complain^^ thanks
On March 27 2011 18:42 bwally wrote: Realm : North America Your name : feign Hacker Name : Sayo Replay : Link Description : He scans where my army is under fog without any knowledge of it being in that exact location. His camera never moves over it so it could possibly be a minimap hack. @ ~09:58 in replay. I don't have any other evidence but maybe someone else in the future may.
Looks damn legit to me. - Marine surround @9:40 was Xel-Naga vision - Why would he run his lings into a bunker line? - Why would he muta harass into turrets @14:32
I think one can t be 100% sure that map hack is involved in team games when your ally is telling what opponents are doing, because he can have a friend in the other team ( it happened frequently in war3, not sure it is the case in sc2 ) I was thinking about the case of PwndByLeAn for example. Well it is still cheating anyway
Realm: Europe Your name: exsy Hacker name: Bacon Replay: [url blocked] Description: game start and he scan my base, proxy rax bunker 4player map(no scouting), and scanning lot my base when under fog and he spot my drop..just watch replay with bacon camera angle.
On March 29 2011 01:29 Suxces wrote: ok, i don't know if it was maphack, so i have to know, can you shoot a colossi with roaches on high ground without vision on xel naga mlg? if not i will post my complain^^ thanks
Map hack doesn't give your units vision on things they couldn't see otherwise. It only shows the otherwise invisible stuff on the screen.
On March 29 2011 03:40 exsy wrote: Realm: Europe Your name: exsy Hacker name: Bacon Replay: [url blocked] Description: game start and he scan my base, proxy rax bunker 4player map(no scouting), and scanning lot my base when under fog and he spot my drop..just watch replay with bacon camera angle.
Looks like he was hacking. He instantly viewed your base when the game started, focused his scv moving there, managed to dodge your scouting scv(just, wow, how obvious do you want to make it), proxy raxes you without even seeing a building, and the rest of the game he never ceases to view your base.
On March 23 2011 18:08 hahaimhenry wrote: Realm : North America Your name : hahaimhenry Hacker Name : Mistake Replay : CLICK ME Description : I open standard FE, and i push, then I get dropped yet i'm still on the internet. Obvious things to note: I hit him with a sick timing, kill all his units, and he types "why is terran so op?" then i get dropped
Btw, how do I get his character code?
Be careful about drop hack accusations, I've been accused of this too though I never used it (close to 1 to 1 win/loss ratio btw). Make sure you look at match history and bnet behaviour before making posts like this not to hurt legit players.. Edit: Though this does look very suspicious given his message right before you disc, still good not to rush with accusations
Format:1v1 Realm : Europe Your name : zevah.476 Hacker Name : Bacon.524 (not completly sure about the number, here is the profile http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2038869/1/Bacon/) Replay : [url blocked] Description : Player abusing a maphack, not even being carefull about it. He was looking at my base since the start of the game without even scouting, he did a fast block of his ramp and saw how my Drone went pass his base (stupid of me xD), then he proceeded to bunker rush me without even seeing where i was. Obvious things to note : Looking at my base Looking at my scouting drone in a completly random position He countered my bane bust without even knowing that i was going to do that.
EDIT: Just noticed this was already reported, but here is another example... God i hate this guy...
Description : close air on shattered temple. Toss goes straight to my natural and lays pylon right outside my natural. Proceeds to 2gate proxy Obvious things to note:
Does not even bother to check if it's the right base.
Checks my unscouted base very obviously several times in his first person view.
Is in master...yet I still managed to defend off his terribly micro'd attack.
I was warned by another player that even though i won I should look at the replay to report him hacking.
Realm : North America Your name : Drako Hacker Name : blacksheep Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/156673-1v1-terran-protoss-shakuras-plateau Description : Within just the first few minutes of the game he looks over at my base through the fog, it was 4 player map and he never sent any type of scout. My base was 100% in the dark yet he continues to look over at it, also when I would send a stalker or probe to scout his base he would move just enough marines out of his base to intercept it then pull them back without any vision or knowledge of my unit coming. This isn't proof of hacking I'm aware but he put me on his ignore list right when the game ended, there was no bm and I believe I even GGd out so it's rather odd he would ignore me before I ever even tried to contact him.
I would just like to ask, are you confirming some hackers for placing a pylong somewhere and guessing the right base?
I mean its fine if you see him looking at your base and all that, but I saw one confirmed hacker that just said: "never scouts once, yet still manages to rally a warp prism to the correct base and warp in units with it!"?
Yes that is one exactly from an example, but have you heard anything called luck? Again, I'm sorry if he did look at your base the whole time, blah blah. But the fact is people get lucky with this stuff, nothing you can do about it.
Realm: North America My name: JDz.425 Hacker name: Koi (don't know how to get his code, but there must be some way that I just don't know)
Description: These pictures pretty much tell the story. I bet he's a portrait farmer using a drop-hack (pretty lame in my opinion!). Hopefully I uploaded the images properly as this is my first time trying it.
Ridiculous amount of games played in a very short amount of time:
Earlier on, he probably intentionally lost alot of games to go down to bronze so that he wouldn't be noticed. Also, I noticed a bug where he lost 3.9 x 10^-15 points for losing a game; very weird!
No legitimate reason for winning games this fast - not even enough time for a worker rush!
Description: I have seen his 2 games replays vs NYDgmma, and he's a definite maphacker. Not only he attacks at the most opportuine times, (game in slag pits he just charges into NYD's base without scanning, and without stim) And stim was 80% complete wtf? Not to mention he looks into the black area all throughout the game which conveniently happen to be where NYD's main base is. And this guy never scouts but knows where his base is. Here are the two replays that you guys can watch and judge for yourselves.
Just played him on ladder. This guy does not scout, he does not scan, but knows everything going on. The game was on Typhon peaks, I started on 11 as P, he on 1 as T. He walled off immediately, didnt send a scouting worker. I proxied DT tech on the 5o'clock position. He prepared for it with ravens and turrets, while only having vision of his own base. Then I hide an expansion in the 7 o'clock main. First he sends his whole army to kill my DT tech in a corner of the map (at this point he does not know where I spawned or anything). He had no vision of it obviously. Then he attacks my base and I defend. Next he takes all his units and sends them to the 7 o'clock main to kill my hidden expo. No scan, no vision again.
Just played him on ladder. This guy does not scout, he does not scan, but knows everything going on. The game was on Typhon peaks, I started on 11 as P, he on 1 as T. He walled off immediately, didnt send a scouting worker. I proxied DT tech on the 5o'clock position. He prepared for it with ravens and turrets, while only having vision of his own base. Then I hide an expansion in the 7 o'clock main. First he sends his whole army to kill my DT tech in a corner of the map (at this point he does not know where I spawned or anything). He had no vision of it obviously. Then he attacks my base and I defend. Next he takes all his units and sends them to the 7 o'clock main to kill my hidden expo. No scan, no vision again.
Okay, here's the case for him not being a hacker: His vision doesn't ever scout anything of yours in fog; if he's maphacking, he's not the most stupid and blatant kind. Sending his army to the bottom corner main doesn't mean anything. You had something in each of the four corners of the map, so no matter where he went he'd chance upon something of yours. Similarly, after he kills that, he probably would send his army to one of the other two mains after that, and he'd come across your stuff, no matter what.
The case for him being a hacker:
He never scouts (obviously many bad players never scout. Even the odd good one, *cough*Sjow*cough*, so this is very circumstancial evidence at best). He's incredibly prescient. He slaps down the detection tech the instant your Dark Shrine goes down. His first turret is not at the worker line but at the ramp. Probably makes more sense against Protoss, but who'd make turrets against toss if you didn't scout air anyways? Again, very circumstancial and would be worthless evidence if it wasn't for the other stuff here. He somehow hunts out the hidden pylon in your main before he expands, and hunts down two dark templar. The dark templar in your nat is particularly fishy, since there's no obvious reason why he'd send his army right up there just in case there was something invisible lurking in there. He knows where your main base is, and, without scouting, decides to send his whole army to kill the seven o' clock, without having any good reason to move his army out of position to check out a probably empty base.
I reckon it's very likely this guy is hacking, but he's being slightly more cunning about it than most.
speaks for itself, looks through fog into my base MULTIPLE times. moves units to intercept warp prism? rofl fucking absolute scum
lol i played this dude 3x already on ladder, hes definitely real bad to have his stats.. he randomed toss one game and went straight to my base on metal and sat below the ramp without ever seeing me, i had an overlord at the edge and hit s waiting for his probe to move up and it never did, im pretty sure if i didnt sent drones down to stop the pylon he would have just started it
Just played him on ladder. This guy does not scout, he does not scan, but knows everything going on. The game was on Typhon peaks, I started on 11 as P, he on 1 as T. He walled off immediately, didnt send a scouting worker. I proxied DT tech on the 5o'clock position. He prepared for it with ravens and turrets, while only having vision of his own base. Then I hide an expansion in the 7 o'clock main. First he sends his whole army to kill my DT tech in a corner of the map (at this point he does not know where I spawned or anything). He had no vision of it obviously. Then he attacks my base and I defend. Next he takes all his units and sends them to the 7 o'clock main to kill my hidden expo. No scan, no vision again.
Okay, here's the case for him not being a hacker: His vision doesn't ever scout anything of yours in fog; if he's maphacking, he's not the most stupid and blatant kind. Sending his army to the bottom corner main doesn't mean anything. You had something in each of the four corners of the map, so no matter where he went he'd chance upon something of yours. Similarly, after he kills that, he probably would send his army to one of the other two mains after that, and he'd come across your stuff, no matter what.
The case for him being a hacker:
He never scouts (obviously many bad players never scout. Even the odd good one, *cough*Sjow*cough*, so this is very circumstancial evidence at best). He's incredibly prescient. He slaps down the detection tech the instant your Dark Shrine goes down. His first turret is not at the worker line but at the ramp. Probably makes more sense against Protoss, but who'd make turrets against toss if you didn't scout air anyways? Again, very circumstancial and would be worthless evidence if it wasn't for the other stuff here. He somehow hunts out the hidden pylon in your main before he expands, and hunts down two dark templar. The dark templar in your nat is particularly fishy, since there's no obvious reason why he'd send his army right up there just in case there was something invisible lurking in there. He knows where your main base is, and, without scouting, decides to send his whole army to kill the seven o' clock, without having any good reason to move his army out of position to check out a probably empty base.
I reckon it's very likely this guy is hacking, but he's being slightly more cunning about it than most.
Yes, there is no direct looking at fog through player camera, but something like production tab hack (don't know if this exists, but the term popped up a few time on TL) and or minimal hack would fit very well. Also note that the hidden tech was behind the LoS-Blockers. If he went there hoping to find my base in that corner, he would have propably turned around after going up the ramp.
Has anyone noticed that there seems to be a growing number of hackers in the top 200 (speaking mainly about the lower half of it). Feels almost like ~1 game in 5 involves a map/production tab hacker, or so my roommate says from his recent games.
Realm : Europe Your name : mesarisaus Hacker Name : Odine Replay : http://www.starcraft2.fi/replay/showReplay.php?replay=2989 Description : Got suspicious during the game due to certain "lucky timings" so decided to check the replay. Then it became blatantly obvious.
Obvious things to note : Right @ beginning checks my spawn on 4player map, not looking at others. During the game keeps following my fogged army extensive periods of time.
So I played this guy earlier tonight, thought he was hacking, went back checked replay. Guy isn't even shy about it, just outright looking at my base throughout the whole game. Pretty sure he never scouts either. Here is the replay. Then I had an interesting chat with him, I'm pretty sure most of what he is saying, he is talking out of his ass, but whatever.
ok i was playing this game, i am a high level masters zerg and i was playing on shakuras zvp. for some reason my opponent scouted the base on the same side of him, i mean this is high enough level for him not to do that just seemed odd. He cannons my base... long shory stort i break out and roll him. When i had clearly won the game he pauses.. waits about 5 seconds then types "ff" then "gg" and leaves the game. I leave the game and the stats came up as an error and there is no match history of my game. ALthough i have a replay. players name is TranceMuzik dunno ID because no match history.
Description: He move back his army when i move 4 burrow infestot @ 13:50. He din't see i've got infestor nice timming. @ 14:00 im near his base he make another overseer at his choke and pull back his army at choke too. He clearly got map control, so why move back ?? And at 14:53 he snipe my burrow infestor and sligthly move before overseer detect them.
Description: I think the guy is watching me through the fog of war. He doesnt scout my base but continously glances at it through the fog of war. This itself wouldnt be suspicous, except that it was on metalolopis and his glancing goes to the exact same spot everytime. He never scouted my base. How could he know I was there? I do eventually build a sensor tower, but the glancing occurs before this. Furthmore from 16:12 you can see him watch my army go up the gold expo ramp and prepare to go around. This is not a direct route to his base and he didnt see any of my units before. Then instead of attacking south, he goes west, right into my army.
Sorry I've never reported anyone before but should I be also reporting him via right click report? How do I get his friend code (there might be more people with his name)?
i have no hackers to identify, however, i have a question regarding hacker-reporter(s).
are any hacking reports (submitted AND confirmed) by tGNoStrA [scrub zerg on NA server] taken seriously? this dipshit calls ANYONE he loses to a hacker. And I mean ANYONE. He has called my friend a hacker once(and all of his team mates), called me a hacker twice (spread 1 month apart); the guy is a total tool his way of alleviating rage is manifested through calling opponents hackers and I wouldn't want anyone wrongly accused.
did a quick search of thread and saw nothing submitted by this guy, however, if he does submit it make sure to watch with scrutiny
edit: i know the guy from ladder he was 3700masters last season (na)
Sorry I've never reported anyone before but should I be also reporting him via right click report? How do I get his friend code (there might be more people with his name)?
You can mouse over his portrait, I believe, in his SC2 profile.
Constantly checks my completely unscouted base (doesn't even send out his OL) in the fog of war. I thought I was just hard countered and had missed a scout until Apollo told me to check the replay.
I just had a funny little game on the EU server with a guy who was reacting so fast to reaper harass I was sure he had an observer.. then proceeded to roll me with stalkers lol.
Upon looking at the replay I have noticed the player Mendex is randomly staring at the fog of war via minimap clicking and viewing the fog, I have paused the replay at these times and every single time there has been a reaper in the location, even before (afaik) reapers were revealed to be in play. Now, I'm not saying he's cheating but it does look really suspicious to me and I was hoping some of you folks would take a look at it and tell me what you think.
EDIT: Ok I just played this guy again, there is no question this time the guy is maphacking, in the second replay he just insta views over a reaper way off in the fog for a split second then back to his base.
Description: (watch the replay at normal speed!) 4:23 He scrolls over my Mainbase without giving any orders 5:13 When I sent out 2 Lings for Scouting the map he moves with 3 Marines and WBF out to catch them, its quite unusal in Mastersleague to go out with 3 Marines after the 5 Minutemark when these are your only Units! cause 10 Zerglings will make you lose the Game 5:53 when he pokes up my front he scrolls up over the whole natural without giving any orders 6:23 he selects his Marines before and gives themattackorder the order the milicsecond my overlord gets in line of sight - but ok that could just be perfect control and minimapwatching 9:36 he pokes again my front with some Hellions, before he retreats he scrolls again over my natural to see how many roaches there really are, the hellions could only see the first few but the ultimate proof is: 10:29 he grabs all his units and attackmoved in his own base right on the position of my nydusworm building. He did not not scouted before if got nydustech, he did not knew there was an overlord in that corner, he did not spot that area the whole game long (not only fog of war, there was dark fog so he never spotted that area) for 10minutes and 29seconds but he sent all his units there about 1 second after i started nydusworm
On April 04 2011 14:10 majestouch wrote: i have no hackers to identify, however, i have a question regarding hacker-reporter(s).
are any hacking reports (submitted AND confirmed) by tGNoStrA [scrub zerg on NA server] taken seriously? this dipshit calls ANYONE he loses to a hacker. And I mean ANYONE. He has called my friend a hacker once(and all of his team mates), called me a hacker twice (spread 1 month apart); the guy is a total tool his way of alleviating rage is manifested through calling opponents hackers and I wouldn't want anyone wrongly accused.
did a quick search of thread and saw nothing submitted by this guy, however, if he does submit it make sure to watch with scrutiny
edit: i know the guy from ladder he was 3700masters last season (na)
I can confirm he is a terrible terrible Zerg player that calls anyone he loses to a hacker.
Just ignore him and report him for harassment/spam.
Description: (watch the replay at normal speed!) 4:23 He scrolls over my Mainbase without giving any orders 5:13 When I sent out 2 Lings for Scouting the map he moves with 3 Marines and WBF out to catch them, its quite unusal in Mastersleague to go out with 3 Marines after the 5 Minutemark when these are your only Units! cause 10 Zerglings will make you lose the Game 5:53 when he pokes up my front he scrolls up over the whole natural without giving any orders 6:23 he selects his Marines before and gives themattackorder the order the milicsecond my overlord gets in line of sight - but ok that could just be perfect control and minimapwatching 9:36 he pokes again my front with some Hellions, before he retreats he scrolls again over my natural to see how many roaches there really are, the hellions could only see the first few but the ultimate proof is: 10:29 he grabs all his units and attackmoved in his own base right on the position of my nydusworm building. He did not not scouted before if got nydustech, he did not knew there was an overlord in that corner, he did not spot that area the whole game long (not only fog of war, there was dark fog so he never spotted that area) for 10minutes and 29seconds but he sent all his units there about 1 second after i started nydusworm
On April 06 2011 03:42 sieesch wrote: so what made him running all his units to a corner exact the second my nydus starting?
It's suspicious but not proof. Some people are dumb enough that what they do proves they hack. This is just odd but not proof in my book. If there are more replays with this kind of stuff about I'm sure they will surface.
On April 06 2011 03:42 sieesch wrote: so what made him running all his units to a corner exact the second my nydus starting?
It's suspicious but not proof. Some people are dumb enough that what they do proves they hack. This is just odd but not proof in my book. If there are more replays with this kind of stuff about I'm sure they will surface.
Well we talking about high masters here, so ofc he is a good player and for sure he is smart enough to hide his mh overall, which you see especially when he pokes my front to to scroll over the natural. But when he got in panicmode cause there was a nydus there was no choice for him he had to show is maphack tricks or lose.
Playing vs high master makes ppl also predictable, when you poke at frnot and have to retreat 99% of good terrans will first check if their macro is going Orbital/Rax etc. and call some mules, noone pokes and scroll over the natural under fog of wall after that
Realm : North America Your name : mizzao Hacker Name : ZoXc Replay: Replay Description : Zerg does a 6 pool, 5 drone all in without any scouting. Also looks at my base a few times under the fog of war. I defend the rush, he keeps looking at my base. Obvious things to note : I defend it with a lucky supply depot completing my wall, so the zerg goes back to his base and starts mining. The few minutes after my rush defense are the obvious tells: he keeps looking at my choke several times with no vision of it. Quits after seeing there's no hope.
This game is pretty short, but the many peeks at my base with no vision are telling. I hope other people who have played against this creep can corroborate.
Edit: The guy actually responded to messages afterward:
You: you should probably stop maphacking before you get banned my friend ZoXc has reconnected. You: stay on the good side ZoXc: did i win? You: nope, you lost ZoXc: then why u mad You: and after you lost you were dumb enough to look at my base 4 more times in the fog of war not mad, just reporting you and also posted the replay in the TL database enjoy your account while it lasts ZoXc: good for u You: gj wasting 60 bucks for sc + whatever you paid for the maphack ZoXc: mizz ? are u a girl?
I have a feeling that I am going to get wrongfully reported and conformed
Reasons:
-I have a low APM but I beat alot of high APM players -I constantly check the geography of the map in Fog of war to formulate how I should attack or siege my opponent's base. -Sometimes, I randomly drop at the expansion assuming that they would have a third base by this time. Sometimes I'm wrong and there is nothing there and sometimes I am right. -In PvP, if I don't get enough info, I just blindly assume my opponent is four gating me -If my opponent is Z and doesn't expand and has a spawning pool and a gas, I just assume that they'll probably roach rush me. -If my opponent is Terran and doesn't wall off, I assume that they are going to play aggressive -Sometimes I mess up my scout queue and the probe goes to a middle base and it is the correct base -Sometimes I forget to scout but my standard built is just to well-rounded
I don't know but I am paranoid. I like taking risks and being greedy.
Format: 1v1 Realm : North America Your name : zimz Hacker Name : evotakahishi Replay : [url blocked] Description : watch from his pov, he never sees my base on a 4 player map yet he proxy 2gate inside my base on delta quadrant.
On four player map Tal Darim HighTimeS sends out a probe directly to my base without scouting. Then as my scouting probe moves out he moves his probe out of the way to avoid detection. After looking through the fog to make sure my scouting probe is gone he proceeds to place a proxy pylon and 2 gates all without scouting...This was a master league game so I'm not quite sure what kind of person would proxy on a 4 player map without scouting unless they had a maphack and knew where the other player was. Many examples of him looking through fog of war during the game.
On April 06 2011 03:42 sieesch wrote: so what made him running all his units to a corner exact the second my nydus starting?
It's suspicious but not proof. Some people are dumb enough that what they do proves they hack. This is just odd but not proof in my book. If there are more replays with this kind of stuff about I'm sure they will surface.
It was the only place he couldn't see, and he could hear it..
He doesn't move before he hears it so thats not suspicious at all. The roach issue was fine too, not sure why you think he was hacking.
Realm: NA Name: LaGTTDuckS Hacker Name: Samyaza Replay:LaGTTDuckS vs Samyaza Description: Sketchy game i've got here just played it. first he lags the game profusely, only scouts one spawn with an OL.. doesn't see my base or what i'm doing and blindly ling/bling's me. this could scream MH but he doesnt kill a probe i have on a xel tower for awhile, so i think it kinda rules it out.. just strange to blindly do something like that.
but what really registers with me is when i transition into a 6gate after surviving the all in. i take it to his base, easy game for me by here. i kill a few roaches but i don't think the hack is enabled at that point..? I think you can enable/disable whenever you feel. because when i took out his natural and started launching FF's, he started burrowing individual roaches like a boss, WHILE all of his roaches were selected.
Obvious things to note: His roaches are all selected while he burrows an individual one. His APM spikes to about high 300s-400s - this isn't counting the extra apm from normal time to blizz's faster time.. so it could be anywhere from 400s-500s His roaches aren't selected for a few seconds but they still seem to burrow.. It would also seem this hack was just released judging by the recent speculation, so, this can be much more than a coincidence.
On April 09 2011 09:23 DuckS wrote: Realm: NA Name: LaGTTDuckS Hacker Name: Samyaza Replay:LaGTTDuckS vs Samyaza Description: Sketchy game i've got here just played it. first he lags the game profusely, only scouts one spawn with an OL.. doesn't see my base or what i'm doing and blindly ling/bling's me. this could scream MH but he doesnt kill a probe i have on a xel tower for awhile, so i think it kinda rules it out.. just strange to blindly do something like that.
but what really registers with me is when i transition into a 6gate after surviving the all in. i take it to his base, easy game for me by here. i kill a few roaches but i don't think the hack is enabled at that point..? I think you can enable/disable whenever you feel. because when i took out his natural and started launching FF's, he started burrowing individual roaches like a boss, WHILE all of his roaches were selected.
Obvious things to note: His roaches are all selected while he burrows an individual one. His APM spikes to about high 300s-400s - this isn't counting the extra apm from normal time to blizz's faster time.. so it could be anywhere from 400s-500s His roaches aren't selected for a few seconds but they still seem to burrow.. It would also seem this hack was just released judging by the recent speculation, so, this can be much more than a coincidence.
Seen a few replays like this recently, the burrow micro is the only thing that spikes the APM, and you are right, he can still macro and burrow individual roach's while still selecting all of his units.
Description: (watch the replay at normal speed!) 4:23 He scrolls over my Mainbase without giving any orders 5:13 When I sent out 2 Lings for Scouting the map he moves with 3 Marines and WBF out to catch them, its quite unusal in Mastersleague to go out with 3 Marines after the 5 Minutemark when these are your only Units! cause 10 Zerglings will make you lose the Game 5:53 when he pokes up my front he scrolls up over the whole natural without giving any orders 6:23 he selects his Marines before and gives themattackorder the order the milicsecond my overlord gets in line of sight - but ok that could just be perfect control and minimapwatching 9:36 he pokes again my front with some Hellions, before he retreats he scrolls again over my natural to see how many roaches there really are, the hellions could only see the first few but the ultimate proof is: 10:29 he grabs all his units and attackmoved in his own base right on the position of my nydusworm building. He did not not scouted before if got nydustech, he did not knew there was an overlord in that corner, he did not spot that area the whole game long (not only fog of war, there was dark fog so he never spotted that area) for 10minutes and 29seconds but he sent all his units there about 1 second after i started nydusworm
The accuser deserves a ban for this unwarranted mess of an accusation. There is literally no proof of anything other than incompetence from the Zerg player in the replay provided. Every single time stamp provided shows perfectly normal behaviour from the Terran player.
4:23: he gave a move command to his scouting SCV! 5:13: he sent the marines out before the trajectory of the lings was even visible 5:53: that's an artifact from having a high scroll speed, certainly not the "he's looking at my natural through the fog!" as suggested by the accuser 6:23: perfectly normal response from a high level player 9:36: he literally scrolls up slightly to get a better view of the sunkens and roaches, which were already in visibile range... 10:29: the only even remotely suspicious action, nowhere near enough to accuse a player of map hacking. I'd rank this under luck, more than anything. GehHeim added five 'lesser' suspicious moves to pad his (extremely weak) case.
GehHeim is a terrible player and it makes sense for him to make terrible accusations.
Format: 1v1 Realm : Europe Your name : RAGECyclone Hacker Name : xitoxicNL Replay : http://drop.sc/4681 Description : Obvious map hack, looks through fog of war in my base (4 players map) and makes in-base gate/forge to counter my 7pool.
Since Blizzard is so slow with the bans, this kid will probably get in Grand Master League soon ...
Realm : Europe Your name : Daydreamer.101 Hacker Name : Enigmatic Replay : None (Crashed/Drophack) Description : Me and two friends was playing 4v4 on Megaton, clearly about to win, had armies in their base then all 3 of us got SC2 crash error, logged in back instantly and found ourselves with a loss, so obviously the 4th guy got dropped too. Two of the guys from the other team already GG'd out before this happen.
Since all 3 of us got a crash error report we thought this was very suspicious and decided to check people's profile and found Enigmatic with an extremely fishy profile/history.
I've tried my best to take as much screenshots as proof of drop from his games. There are ones where the he wins before 1 minute and others before 6 minutes. I've included some screenshots of graphs from games hes won, looking at graphs its fairly obvious the people dropped mid way, as everything from army and economy value is high but there is no sign there was a final battle for example.
I would want to add more screens but do not want to spam, again I like to add why I screenshot graphs as there are many games above 6minutes where he got a win and looking at graphs it's quite obvious nothing happened when the game stopped as there was no battle etc, or you can see he lost his army or workers and he just rage'd and dropped everyone.
He has clocked over 1000 wins unchecked and it seems he mostly does it on team battle, he does a few 1v1 but as screenshots show they are always instant drop. A lot of his games he is shown near the bottom of the score as well so it doesn't match up with his 1v1 ranking.
If people want to see his match history and scores closer can see for yourself going to his profile from my match history (Megaton loss -8 game). Almost all the games you see the graph stops showing no battle or anything happening. Really angered me seeing he must been at this for quite a while and still going 1300+ games :|
Sorry for long post, but since me and my friends crashed there was no replay saved, and since it's a suspected drop hack or whatever I've tried my best to provide evidence through match history and screens.
I'm owning him, my friends observing notice hes staring at my scouting banshees in the fog all in corners of the map, hes constantly looking into my base in fog, and hard counters banshees with spores, he had no vision of a starport or banshees prior to this. He later admits to using map hack and gives me this website and explains that he did it because someone else did it to him and he wanted to get revenge. EASY WIN! FIGHTING~
Mod edit: Even if they're easy to find, don't link to hacking sites please
I hate to ask, but does anything actually get done by reporting them? Like realistically, do they get investigated? I know blizzard goes on banning sprees but what is the point if they've already been allowed to affect the ladder season for months?
Just played 2 games with a player named "Insanity" in 4v4. Does the *exact* build and movements/timings in both games, and has an automated text macro at the start of matches. Does not react to any type of ongoings in his base, whatsoever.
On April 09 2011 09:23 DuckS wrote: Realm: NA Name: LaGTTDuckS Hacker Name: Samyaza Replay:LaGTTDuckS vs Samyaza Description: Sketchy game i've got here just played it. first he lags the game profusely, only scouts one spawn with an OL.. doesn't see my base or what i'm doing and blindly ling/bling's me. this could scream MH but he doesnt kill a probe i have on a xel tower for awhile, so i think it kinda rules it out.. just strange to blindly do something like that.
but what really registers with me is when i transition into a 6gate after surviving the all in. i take it to his base, easy game for me by here. i kill a few roaches but i don't think the hack is enabled at that point..? I think you can enable/disable whenever you feel. because when i took out his natural and started launching FF's, he started burrowing individual roaches like a boss, WHILE all of his roaches were selected.
Obvious things to note: His roaches are all selected while he burrows an individual one. His APM spikes to about high 300s-400s - this isn't counting the extra apm from normal time to blizz's faster time.. so it could be anywhere from 400s-500s His roaches aren't selected for a few seconds but they still seem to burrow.. It would also seem this hack was just released judging by the recent speculation, so, this can be much more than a coincidence.
I played this guy too and he's definitely hacking.
Format: 1v1 Realm : North America Your name : DarthVander Hacker Name : Samyzaz Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/162069-1v1-zerg-taldarim-altar-le Description : Zerg player, doesn't move original ovie nor drone scouts (it is zvz so no drone scouting is a possibility) and knows where I am. Burrows roaches with micro well beyond most pros. I end up beating him Obvious things to note : No scouting yet knows where I am (4 player map) Queen spawns larva perfectly without him looking. Impossibly good roach burrow micro. Doesn't make a line of ovies between his and my base. This is a master level ZvZ and doing this is pretty obvious at master level.
NA Server My name: Mandalor.621 Hacker: Warlogy Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=202508 Description: Warlogy clearly scouts my teams bases through the fog of war and see the reapers I was making and blindly places a pylon and zealots near a cliff afterwards. Sure he could have anticipated an attack, but not after slowly looking over my base in this 4v4.
Format: FFA Realm : North America My name: SoulWager.969 Hacker: cMeli Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/162799-ffa-terran-protoss-gutterhulk Description: Blue player(cMeli) looks through fog of war at several points, and reacts to unit movement he can't see. Type of hack: maphack
11:42 blue looks at purple's natural in response to buildings being constructed, despite no vision.
18:19 blue looks at top left gold expo under fog of war, in response to purple's expo there.
18:55 blue looks at top left gold expo AGAIN, despite not having vision of it since rocks were destroyed.
19:40 blue looks at purple's gold expo...not suspicious by it's self(as the scouting unit died there without being watched), but:
19:45 blue reacts to unit movement that was under fog of war, before units become visible.
21:17 blue looks at the choke of teal's natural, in response to buildings being constructed.
23:19 Scan in teal's main in response to unit movement.
23:26 looks at 3 o'clock natural through fog of war.
23:29 reacts to unit movement in fog of war.
24:26 not really suspicious because it can be implied from positions, but he didn't actually scout the fact that teal had 5 expos.
26:40 - 27:18 divulges information in chat that probably implies he has a units tab(like a replay or observed game) Also implies he lacks a brain, considering the gateway count he scanned.
Also, did Blizzard unban hackers with the end of the first ladder season? It seems more reasonable to force hackers to buy a new client after getting caught.
Format: 1v1 ladder Realm : North America Your name : Lovedrop Hacker Name : SigMa Replay :Mediafire Description : Doesn't scout, place pylon below main on metalopolis crossed positions, proceed to 2 gate proxy fail.
Realm : North America Your name : iNsILLmatic Hacker Name : alt Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/162919-1v1-terran-zerg-slag-pits Description : I just felt like he had perfect timing all game with hitting my expos at the exact right time and knowing where i expoed to etc. After watching the replay it seems quite clear that he's hacking Obvious things to note : -he didnt scout my main and walked straight over there to attack as his first route. -he builds a viking and sends it directly to an overlord he has never seen before across the map. -he moves his army in front of his planetary right before I move my banelings in. -he consantly hits my expos at perfect timings and knows where i expoed each time without scoutting them. -he does not scan at all the entire game.
Format: Realm : Europe Your name : Vladoks Hacker Name : VespeneGasso Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/163561-2v2-terran-protoss-zerg-tempest Description : 2v2 Game random team- VespeneGasso makes 3-proxy gates on a huge map without scouting. in the replay you can see him looking in the fog of war where the enemies spawned. Obvious things to note : looking at fog of war before sending probe pulling back probe after looking into fow (i think he saw the other protosses pylon or something)
Realm : North America Your name : Bonein Hacker Name : RaID Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/163447-1v1-terran-zerg-slag-pits Description : 1v1 Game high diamond. Never scouts with an overlord or drone but builds 6+ spine crawlers in response to 6 rax marine all in. His camera view does not hover over my base though. Obvious things to note : 1100+APM at start of game and spine crawler response to marine rush with no scout
Description : in 1st replay, 1v1 pvt near end of replay he stims near cliff just as i'm climbing up the hill. he also gathers his men up in preparation right when i'm coming up. the timing just seems way too good for him not to be hacking.
Obvious things to note :
in both replays he doesn't even scout my base! he just blindly attacks and stims where my army is
Description : Never scouted, sent army north where 3/4 of my army were out of position despite not having any vision there (not even the watch tower which I took).
Obvious things to note: Didn't scout my base. Constantly looked at my base in the fog on player cam. Rallied cloaked banshees to my base. Happened to send his army out as soon asmy units went to clear the rocks.
Description : in 1st replay, 1v1 pvt near end of replay he stims near cliff just as i'm climbing up the hill. he also gathers his men up in preparation right when i'm coming up. the timing just seems way too good for him not to be hacking.
Obvious things to note :
in both replays he doesn't even scout my base! he just blindly attacks and stims where my army is
On April 12 2011 12:57 iLLmatiic wrote: Realm : North America Your name : iNsILLmatic Hacker Name : alt Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/162919-1v1-terran-zerg-slag-pits Description : I just felt like he had perfect timing all game with hitting my expos at the exact right time and knowing where i expoed to etc. After watching the replay it seems quite clear that he's hacking Obvious things to note : -he didnt scout my main and walked straight over there to attack as his first route. -he builds a viking and sends it directly to an overlord he has never seen before across the map. -he moves his army in front of his planetary right before I move my banelings in. -he consantly hits my expos at perfect timings and knows where i expoed each time without scoutting them. -he does not scan at all the entire game.
Description : in 1st replay, 1v1 pvt near end of replay he stims near cliff just as i'm climbing up the hill. he also gathers his men up in preparation right when i'm coming up. the timing just seems way too good for him not to be hacking.
Obvious things to note :
in both replays he doesn't even scout my base! he just blindly attacks and stims where my army is
In response to this user and another on the page I have decided to show my replay against this same player.
He played with very, very low APM (40-60) and never scouted or scanned the entire game. Just as I was about to drop in the back of his base he pulls his marines back seconds before the drop ship arrives and intercepts it. Later in the game he moves his entire bio army down to my hidden 3rd but quickly retreats just as I am moving across the map to his main. He seemed like a very sketchy player and even though I won I still believed it was noticeable he was cheating.
Obvious Thing to Note:
No scan, no scouting, moving to intercept a drop ship before it can drop, about to attack a 3rd base both without scouting
I think this guy, alt, is hacking. First off, at 9:30ish he stims his bio blinldy and a-clicks where my units were set up for a flank, while constantly looking through the fog.
Next, at ~17minutes, he a-clicks his army to go kill some hidden pylons at the gold. Granted, this couldve been just good scouting, however I think he wouldve done such a task when he kills the rocks.
At 18:30 minutes, you can see him move his army up enough just to kill a zealot,then retreat.
at 22 minutes, he looks down at my 3rd while his units are on an a-move command and decides he doesnt want to attack anymore (my army was there) without the help of scans.
There are a few more minor indications of a map hack for the rest of the game, and other indications from the beginning onward.
Your Name: sKoAcid His Name: GenocideNAVY Server: NA Division: Custom 2v2
This wasn't really serious, and this guy really sucks. He is a portrait farmer in bronze, and he sucks really bad. Met him several times in custom 2v2s, usually at night 1am PST. Just know he has map hacks.
This replay should prove it. @ 9:30 he drops a nydus in my base with no vision, i even scanned around for an overlord and there was none. Watch his camera view. He does it later in the game to my opponent.
This guy sucks skill wise, but he is a hacker. Just pointing out if you guys ever run into him.
is there some kind of hack minerals and gas ? I got 1 game where Zerg on 2 base, less workers than me like 8-9 drones but still had higher income, send in wave after wave of roaches.
I just read thru this list for the first time and read DOZENS of people I've lost to. I never bothered noticing if they caught a Banshee or something just because I'm bad (mid-to high Master's isn't perfect).
How does everyone get this star-sense that someone is hacking? I never even feel it.
Realm : North America Your name : Luiskiller Hacker Name : Artanis Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/165303-1v1-protoss-zerg-gutterhulk Description : I 8 pooled and he made a forge blindly, but never used it for anything the whole game. I canceled my lings, so he made no cannons. Later, expecting some warpgate push I put spines at my front. He decided, then to drop my main. All of this is well and good, expect he NEVER scouted at all. I mean, he had NO CLUE where my base was or what it was that I was doing. Obvious things to note : Blindly counters what I am doing. Makes a defensive structure (forge) but never uses it for anything (doesn't even make the standard cannon). Never scouts at all and drops my main without knowing where it was.
EDIT: Wow, I just noticed he was already reported in these forums for maphacking. Oh well, hope blizz catches him at some point.
Realm: North America You name: Genopath Hackername: Zeratul or Artanis (Team Game) Description: Check out his last push when I move my roaches, or his hydras back up without no vision of our base in the mid game
Description : He didn't scan the whole entire game, blind countered my build by going ghosts, didn't make any vikings even when he didn't scout, as soon as I start making Collosi he actually starts making vikings, again, without scouting. Stims TWICE before engaging my army, before even SEEING my army. And the most obvious thing of all at around the 14 minute mark, he shift click/drops he's medivacs right next to all my proxy pylons without even knowing they were there. Oh yeah he also scouts cross positions FIRST, and leaves like 5s after, obviously just to make it look less obvious. What an idiot.
Obvious things to note : -Didn't scan once -Scouts me first in cross positions -Blind counters what I'm doing -Goes straight to all my proxy pylons without even knowing they're there -Stims before an engagement without knowing my army was even there
Description: He does not scout my base yet glance at it, position his zealot when my reapers arrive (without seeing them).
Obvious things to note: - Look at my base through the fog of war - when i chase his probe and i send my scv in his base to intercept it, he sees it (through the fog of war) and hide behind the vegetation - he looks at my reapers through the fog of war and position his zealot in is mineral line.
Realm : North America Your name : teser Hacker Name : gChoi Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/166115-1v1-protoss-xelnaga-caverns Description : frequently looks at my base / army all game long without giving any commands or getting any actual scouting information Obvious things to note :
39s - looks at my base through fog (i'm random and he doesn't 9 scout) 4:24 - looks at base through fog 5:15 - looks outside my ramp as my stalkers move out 7:29 - looks at base through fog 7:45 - throws up guarding shield before seeing any units outside of his base 8:42 - attack moves all his units next to my proxy pylon through fog (literally clicks right next to it) 10:01 - looks at army through fog 10:45 - looks at army through fog 13:01 - looks at army through fog 14:25 - looks directly at a probe going to place a proxy plyon at his back door (this one is really fast) - this looked extremely suspicious if you toggle fog on/off with his camera in the replay 17:25 - looks at army through fog
Format: Realm : North America Your name : NKplague.601 Hacker Name : iRageQuit Replay : http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)iRageQuit_vs_(P)NKplague_typhon_peaks_sc2rep_com_20110421/7322 Description : He immediately sends a probe out directly to my base on a 4 player map. He builds a pylon then two gateways before scouting me. I was confused as there was absolutely nothing in his base, but unfortunately it was too late to do much about it :/ Obvious things to note : -directly to my base with no scout -builds 2 gateways on 4 player map still doesn't know where i am edit: player was also coming of an extreme losing streak one week prior (this was his first game back since losing the previous 9 of his last 10)
On April 21 2011 15:54 KillerPlague wrote: Format: Realm : North America Your name : NKplague.601 Hacker Name : iRageQuit Replay : http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)iRageQuit_vs_(P)NKplague_typhon_peaks_sc2rep_com_20110421/7322 Description : He immediately sends a probe out directly to my base on a 4 player map. He builds a pylon then two gateways before scouting me. I was confused as there was absolutely nothing in his base, but unfortunately it was too late to do much about it :/ Obvious things to note : -directly to my base with no scout -builds 2 gateways on 4 player map still doesn't know where i am edit: player was also coming of an extreme losing streak one week prior (this was his first game back since losing the previous 9 of his last 10)
circumstantial evidence at best
it may be that he chose to roll the dice and put the gateways there. if you aren't in that position, it becomes a normal 2gate zealot rush with a normal rush distance, if you are, its a proxy.
Wow, I just learned through some of the replays that there is oberserver tab hack and there are hacks that steer units without you actually selecting them. Was pretty interesting seeing Roaches burrow at pretty much exactly 10% health and automatically unburrow when they´re back at 100% no matter what. Noticed unburrowing canceled move commands which led to real dumb unburrow moments.
Suggestion: Could the OP contain information not only on maphacks but also on other hacks that pop up? Just a minute ago it would have been unthinkable to me that a hack can inject larva for you. I am not yet 100% convinced that observer tab hacks are authentic even if it looks like it.
North American Server My name: Joedaddy.907 Hacker Name: Lastmanstand Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?as2brlpqjrkvk9u Description: Proxy 2 gates right outside of my base on Typhon Peaks without vision of my main or any of my units scouting or otherwise. I watched the replay several times and it appears that he is covering up his hack by sending a probe just up the to the top of the ramp of all the mains but never goes far enough to actually see if any thing is there or not. Regardless, he proxies outside my base before doing any scouting at all. Things to note: blind proxy outside my base on one of the biggest 4p maps on ladder.
On April 21 2011 18:12 Mataza wrote: Wow, I just learned through some of the replays that there is oberserver tab hack and there are hacks that steer units without you actually selecting them. Was pretty interesting seeing Roaches burrow at pretty much exactly 10% health and automatically unburrow when they´re back at 100% no matter what. Noticed unburrowing canceled move commands which led to real dumb unburrow moments.
Suggestion: Could the OP contain information not only on maphacks but also on other hacks that pop up? Just a minute ago it would have been unthinkable to me that a hack can inject larva for you. I am not yet 100% convinced that observer tab hacks are authentic even if it looks like it.
If youd like to make a post containing evidence for them or something of that nature yes i'll add it to the OP
Description : I'm a random gold scrub, don't laugh too hard! - At 6:03 my reapers appear on his minimap close to his minerals. At 6:04 his probes are already running away. This is just a contributor though, this one may just be my advancing years making me jealous of people with decent reactions - 7:35 he has a good ogle at my units through the fog of war - 9:07 snuggles his units to his ramp 9:09 moves camera in fow on my units in preparation for first attack - 11:57 ogles my base again - 12:50ish moves all units to intercept drop** - 15:15 - 15:30 he watches my units 2x through the fow crossing the map and moves to protect his nat** - 17:10 drop incoming and he starts warping units in where the drop site will be, all units at the natural now move to main where drop will be. I drop behind the grass where he has no vision and he has a good ogle** - 19:19 and 21:37 another look at my base and units
A few are not conclusive but the ones I marked with stars I feel are pretty damning. Also, no detection during the game. Thats rare.
at 14 minutes he goes around the map and snipes the overlords I have at each expansion, every time I try to expand to a third he sends his entire army at exactly that time to take it out, He never builds an observer or a robotics facility for that matter, when I push at his third he sends units to protect it before he sees my army coming.
All of these things could be explained by him being an excelent player, but he also did a bunch f really stupid things and he only had 70 APM so I was hoping some of you guys would want to look at the replay and tell me what you think
1400 diamond BTW
On November 11 2010 04:50 Leeto wrote: Realm: North America Name: Leeto Hacker: ggmylife Replay: Replay Link Description: Looks repeatedly at my base through the fog of war, never scouts the entire game. Follows my troop movements and where I'm expanding through the fog, and reacts appropriately. Some key things: At 6:53 he looks at lings going up the right side to kill the rocks, and at around 7:15 he sends guys to kill the lings at the rocks, but at 7:21 he looks at my roaches coming up the middle through the fog, and tells his guys to come back. At 11:26, he moves his army to the middle of the map, probably to expand, but looks at my mutas through the fog, and moves his guys back to his natural to defend, even warping in stalkers at the natural without ever seeing the mutas. At 11:37, he looks through the fog at where I just started my 3rd, and sends guys to kill it. At 14:30, I try to take the 3rd again, and he looks at it through the fog and again sends guys to kill it.
Maybe he just has an insane sense of timing, but without ever scouting my base other than the first probe, seeing nothing but a hatchery the entire game, I doubt it. It wasn't the best game on my part, but I still feel that there is good evidence for maphacking.
I was going to post one for Ggmylife but apparently he has already been a confirmed hacker since last October and still has not gotten banned yet, unfortunately.
Realm : North America Your name : Rhox.207 Hacker Name : LateGame Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/168027-1v1-zerg-backwater-gulch Description : opens 6 pool and sends all drones to correct base without scouting on the large map, Typhoon peaks. Obvious things to note : read description, not much to add here. edit:saved the file as backwater gulch on accident, but it's on typhon peaks I assure you.
Server: North America My Name: Joedaddy.907 Hacker Name: Overboard Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?90n2um0laxwn57d Description: Straight to my base cross positions on Typhon Peaks to cannon rush. At 7 minutes, he dodges my zealot going cross map with no vision. Obvious things to note: Straight to my base cross positions on 4p map. Dodges enemy units with no vision.
Replay : The replay never recorded, probably linked to the hack
Description : Obviously the game cant be viewed but the opposing team was being destroyed then all of a sudden our entire team disconnected and we got a loss. Now this on its own i'snt really proof of anything, but looking at his match history at least 70-80% of his wins are in games where by looking at score/army count his team is being absolutely crushed (everyone on his team's army value plummeting to zero while his opponents look fine for example). I'm not sure about everyone else but i cant remember ever playing a game where my entire team is in last place on the score page yet i won the game (though this wasn't the case in the game I played against him since it was so short in that instance), but it seems to be a common occurrence with this guy. Additionally he is masters 4v4 with a record of 115-49, yet last season he was in all bronze and silver leagues
Obvious things to note : He doesn't do this in every game but his match history looks outrageous
edit: just checked his 1v1 match history and he has a run of about 5 straight wins in games ranging from 0-2 seconds....
hey all first i'd like to mention its wonderful we have this thread so we can take steps to stopping the absurdness that is hacking in a video game. i played a game on ladder today and upon entering the game noticed my larva select hotkey would not work. so i tried my control groups, and they did not work either. i paused the game, which worked, and then hit enter to let my opponent know something was wrong with my keyboard. however he unpaused immediately as i still could not use the character keys. and instead of saying "All" in the typical cyan coloring, it said my opponents name in purple with the friend icon next to it. so i alt tabbed to see if it was my keyboard. once again, alt tab worked fine. and my character keys worked fine in my search engine. so was this a blatant hack or simply a bnet bug? i guess ill report my opponent to be safe. but what does everyone think about the current situation with hackers in sc2? i've experienced map hackers and i've suspected people of production tab hacking at times. but this was ridiculous. i did a google search after the game just to see how easy hacking really way and there were pages of links to sites offering hacks, both paid and free. cant blizzard just shut these pages down? or work in better software to stop this bullshit? i know i cant prove this alleged hack and posting a replay of me in the game for under a minute will do no good so if this post is off topic let me know and i will start a thread. but has anyone experienced this before that could deny what happened was either hack or bug? thanks for the help
<edit> i'll post the replay here for the sake of consistency http://bit.ly/kpWUNK
On May 02 2011 22:51 Sporadic44 wrote: hey all first i'd like to mention its wonderful we have this thread so we can take steps to stopping the absurdness that is hacking in a video game. i played a game on ladder today and upon entering the game noticed my larva select hotkey would not work. so i tried my control groups, and they did not work either. i paused the game, which worked, and then hit enter to let my opponent know something was wrong with my keyboard. however he unpaused immediately as i still could not use the character keys. and instead of saying "All" in the typical cyan coloring, it said my opponents name in purple with the friend icon next to it. so i alt tabbed to see if it was my keyboard. once again, alt tab worked fine. and my character keys worked fine in my search engine. so was this a blatant hack or simply a bnet bug? i guess ill report my opponent to be safe. but what does everyone think about the current situation with hackers in sc2? i've experienced map hackers and i've suspected people of production tab hacking at times. but this was ridiculous. i did a google search after the game just to see how easy hacking really way and there were pages of links to sites offering hacks, both paid and free. cant blizzard just shut these pages down? or work in better software to stop this bullshit? i know i cant prove this alleged hack and posting a replay of me in the game for under a minute will do no good so if this post is off topic let me know and i will start a thread. but has anyone experienced this before that could deny what happened was either hack or bug? thanks for the help
<edit> i'll post the replay here for the sake of consistency http://bit.ly/kpWUNK
did you maybe have a different hotkey profile selected or something? I don't think there's a way to disable the opponent's keybings or change them via a hack. That's not hacking, that's sabotage. :p
lol it was in between games i played where keys worked fine. could have been a hardware issue regardless i figured id throw it out here on tl to see if anyones encountered this before. sucks to have to leave a game because you cant build things lol. i reported it anyway to be on the safe side.
Faster: Rank 61 Grandmaster from North America caught maphacking
Realm: NA Your Name: Jman Hacker's Name: Faster
Replay #1 : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/171900-1v1-protoss-taldarim-altar-le Detailed evidence can be found here http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2456449444 The replay is full of suspicious activity if you watch from his perspective. Constantly looking at his enemy's base and army throughout the game. The real nail in the coffin came at about 13:05 when he blatantly checks out the other player's random probe across the map despite having no vision. He then later looks at his enemy's hidden expansion without scouting. Just watch how he dances back and forth throughout the game as he reacts to Deezer's army in the fog of war.
1. First off he hits him on the first attempt at scouting. Not damning, but noteworthy. 2. When his scout goes into the base notice how he beelines straight towards the barracks that's being built Despite the fact that he doesn't have vision. He harasses the worker and then pulls out without even checking to see if RootKitty is going Double gas. This is a grandmaster and he doesn't check this?!
3:50 RootKitty sends a marine down to check for proxy pylons. Faster somehow magically senses this and runs his hidden probe away. He never once had vision of the marine coming down.
4:36: Checks Kitty's ramp even though as far as he should know there is nothing there.
4:50 goes down the ramp to kill scouting scv the minute it closes in on the base. Watch carefully how he moves down, then moves back a bit when the scv moves a different direction.
5:28: Again watch as he stares at through the fog of war at the enemy's ramp.
7:47: Checks Kitty's mineral line to count the workers left. (no vision)
This is a serious claim because he is one of the top ranked players in all of North America. It's a disgrace that someone like this is allowed to take games off top players with the help of hacks. If anyone has anymore replays of this guy post them.
Arb, would you like a hand on the Season 2 TL Anti-hack team? I'll start DLing replays and checking them out if you'd like a hand - I imagine you're pretty busy all alone in the last page or three. :p
On May 03 2011 05:33 Torenhire wrote: Arb, would you like a hand on the Season 2 TL Anti-hack team? I'll start DLing replays and checking them out if you'd like a hand - I imagine you're pretty busy all alone in the last page or three. :p
im with torenhire on that offer. is there anyway to split the responsibility of maintaining this thread to keep it current and relevant? if half of TL is like me they cant stand people who cheat at this game. arb shoot me a PM whenever you get the chance
checked last edit on OP. ill message arb and see if he logs on TL anymore and go from there.
Im trying to talk with a mod about a season 2 thread, a new thread with a less cluttered OP
(as in 4 posts 1 with rules/3 for each region) as you can possibly imagine with all the BBCode + amounts of people updating the current OP is actually quite a daunting task(have to find the appropriate region/make sure it doesnt break the format etc etc)
So bear with me about this. And i very much apologize for the delay in updating
On May 03 2011 05:33 Torenhire wrote: Arb, would you like a hand on the Season 2 TL Anti-hack team? I'll start DLing replays and checking them out if you'd like a hand - I imagine you're pretty busy all alone in the last page or three. :p
Help is very much ALWAYS appreciated, theres alot of reps here and going through i might not get everything(considering i usually go through only once)
Perhaps even make an account entitled "TLHACKER DATABASE" or somethign to that effect, and share it with a small group of people so that everyone can update as they see a new replay or something would be good also..
On May 03 2011 06:26 arb wrote: Im trying to talk with a mod about a season 2 thread, a new thread with a less cluttered OP
(as in 4 posts 1 with rules/3 for each region) as you can possibly imagine with all the BBCode + amounts of people updating the current OP is actually quite a daunting task(have to find the appropriate region/make sure it doesnt break the format etc etc)
So bear with me about this. And i very much apologize for the delay in updating
On May 03 2011 05:33 Torenhire wrote: Arb, would you like a hand on the Season 2 TL Anti-hack team? I'll start DLing replays and checking them out if you'd like a hand - I imagine you're pretty busy all alone in the last page or three. :p
Help is very much ALWAYS appreciated, theres alot of reps here and going through i might not get everything(considering i usually go through only once)
Perhaps even make an account entitled "TLHACKER DATABASE" or somethign to that effect, and share it with a small group of people so that everyone can update as they see a new replay or something would be good also..
Need to get a mods thought on that one though
sure, hook me up. I'm pretty good about daily or at least every other day updates for stuff - did a lot of work on the first google calendar project (stupid google limiting # of pins on a map ><) and you can trust that I'm not dumb enough to think that a lucky proxy rax is maphacks :p
Shoot me a PM, lemme know. I could even link you to my old super-huge server WoW progression thread on the old WoW forums! Thankfully I'm not BBCode retarded either, so I should be useful somewhere, as long as you want it. :D
On May 02 2011 22:51 Sporadic44 wrote: hey all first i'd like to mention its wonderful we have this thread so we can take steps to stopping the absurdness that is hacking in a video game. i played a game on ladder today and upon entering the game noticed my larva select hotkey would not work. so i tried my control groups, and they did not work either. i paused the game, which worked, and then hit enter to let my opponent know something was wrong with my keyboard. however he unpaused immediately as i still could not use the character keys. and instead of saying "All" in the typical cyan coloring, it said my opponents name in purple with the friend icon next to it. so i alt tabbed to see if it was my keyboard. once again, alt tab worked fine. and my character keys worked fine in my search engine. so was this a blatant hack or simply a bnet bug? i guess ill report my opponent to be safe. but what does everyone think about the current situation with hackers in sc2? i've experienced map hackers and i've suspected people of production tab hacking at times. but this was ridiculous. i did a google search after the game just to see how easy hacking really way and there were pages of links to sites offering hacks, both paid and free. cant blizzard just shut these pages down? or work in better software to stop this bullshit? i know i cant prove this alleged hack and posting a replay of me in the game for under a minute will do no good so if this post is off topic let me know and i will start a thread. but has anyone experienced this before that could deny what happened was either hack or bug? thanks for the help
<edit> i'll post the replay here for the sake of consistency http://bit.ly/kpWUNK
Of course it's not a hack. It's a SC2 bug that happens, at least with me, due to windowed-full mode and alt-tabbing. Alt-tabbing out and in tends to fix it. Regardless, even thinking there is an "opponent can't use keyboard" hack is just... absurd.
Realm : EU Your name : Fonzy.190 Hacker Name : iMpure.224 Replay : http://hs-s.com/mods/replays/download.php?id=17 Description : Hes staring in the Fog and msg me what im exactly doing. Just watch it its obviously.
Realm : North America, PTR Your name : Stone Hacker Name : Nodochi Replay : don't know how.... Description : Played him twice in PTR, first time I 2 raxed him, watched the replay from his perspective and he looked in the fog of war at my 2 rax. He stopped it with drones, etc. Game progresses, looks at army through fog, attacks me when he's confident. Didn't really rise much suspicion this game. Second game in PTR, I went 5 marine hellion poke into 2 starport banshee. He looks into fog of war and sees my 2 starports and makes evo chamber and 7-8 spores. I trans into thor marine banshee medivac tankis and he of course looks at fog of war and attacks me when i move out. Very obvious maphacks. I cracked up so hard cause I mildly accused of him at the end of the second game and he says I suck blah blah, then I watched replay and LOL
Realm: North American Server Your Name: Jebecca Hacker: Thursty Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/173633-1v1-protoss-zerg-gutterhulk Description: looked in my base and also looked were i was placing 2 proxy pylons also seemed to now when to macro without scouting and layed at least 4-5 spines with me even giving vison of an amry.
Just got drop hacked by a random player called PiLLaGe - he's 9-0 and in master league. When I got matched against him, my sc2 crashed and he got points for the win. Probably a new account - but drop hacks seem to exist =(
Just got drop hacked by a random player called PiLLaGe - he's 9-0 and in master league. When I got matched against him, my sc2 crashed and he got points for the win. Probably a new account - but drop hacks seem to exist =(
Providing the character code or atleast a match history summary is paramount in identifying drophackers.
Format: Realm : North America Your name : JayL Hacker Name : ACE Replay : Don't have it due to fatal error message Description : After I crushed his cheese, I got the fatal error message and my sc2 crashed. No biggie, I brushed it off but then decided to check his match history. Every single game the opponent doubles his score yet he still comes out with the win. I decided to msg his previous opponents, they all got the same error message as well....
On May 10 2011 12:21 Limenade wrote: bahahahah yo pillage has to be the best player ever hes won like 60+ games in under an hour all under 2 seconds for a perfect record!
I thought he was playing Jedi mind tricks on me. PiLLaGe may be getting the "luls" but Blizzard will get the best of him soon enough!
So, how do drop hacks like PiLLaGe's work? Not that I'd ever use it I'm just sort of a geek like that and am really curious about those kinds of things.
edit : Interested in technical sides not the how/where do I get it / use it.
Well him being #1 GM should hopefully get blizz on their feet and do some banning + bugfix. Sounded like an easy fix too. On the other hand, when was the last time they banned hackers?
On May 10 2011 13:50 Eatme wrote: Well him being #1 GM should hopefully get blizz on their feet and do some banning + bugfix. Sounded like an easy fix too. On the other hand, when was the last time they banned hackers?
On May 10 2011 13:50 Eatme wrote: Well him being #1 GM should hopefully get blizz on their feet and do some banning + bugfix. Sounded like an easy fix too. On the other hand, when was the last time they banned hackers?
A week ago? Maybe 2?
they should do bannings once per week or so (like automated, on a cron job or something like that) -_-
I think PiLLage doing some sort of DDoS attack on the people he plays, as shown in the screenshot showing multiple "PiLLage is slowing down the game" to get them to drop and crash their SCII
Seems like a variant of a drop hack, must be new. Basically, at the hacker's will, he or she will cause your sc2 to experience a fatal error and your game will crash. ACE has been using this on the ladder, as well as pillage. Hope blizzard acts fast...
This pillage guy is just unbelievable. He was a hacker last season, Im not sure Blizzard did ban him or not, but that doesn't matter since if they banned him, they also unbanned him at the start of this season. Seeing a hackers abuse the ladder and got to top 3 GM is an insult to all honest players out there as well as an insult for Blizzard.
Blizzard may ban hackers in waves, but against heavy abuser, swift action is needed.
On May 10 2011 14:57 arterian wrote: There is some attack to crash the SC2 client. Just had it happen to my team in 3v3 and the same guy, Redbulll has been abusing it.
lol yes rebull is one of 'em. Had maphack on and lost. Then switched to disc hacks after.
On May 10 2011 13:40 Gimmickkz wrote: So, how do drop hacks like PiLLaGe's work? Not that I'd ever use it I'm just sort of a geek like that and am really curious about those kinds of things.
edit : Interested in technical sides not the how/where do I get it / use it.
When I play AOE2 with friends over LAN we sometimes run into a problem where some of us have a popcap mod installed and the others don't. The trick is that the game works fine until you click the button to gain an extra 200 available supply, at which point everyone drops instantly because the game "notices" that there is a version mismatch. This is all speculation based on anectdote, of course, but if I had to guess I'd say that PiLLaGe and his buddy ACE are doing something akin to what happens when my buddy accidentally hits his "yeomen" button when he's trying to produce a villager.
Drop-hack or Lag-hack is now rampant like zombie infestation, http://sc2ranks.com/us/1885131/ACE could be another hacker. He dropped Sen, maybe Idra and seleCT while they were streaming, and you can see the drop hack on many other featured player's streams also.
It's like a spreading of virus outbreak, soon more and more players will start using it. This should be in the news, not just reporting of few individuals. Blizzard needs to find that 3rd party program or come up with counter, soon.
Basically it is getting to the point that no legitimate Top 200 player will want to play because their record is going to get completely tanked by these drop hackers.
I wonder if blizzard will have loss forgiveness for the people who have been beaten by these players that are obviously hacking.
On May 10 2011 20:39 RapDawg wrote: Did anyone else notice how there are EG and TL members with drophack? In fact they had it since last season. What's going on here, conspiracy anyone?
Where is your evidence? Accusing people without replays is a surefire way to get yourself banned.
On May 10 2011 20:39 RapDawg wrote: Did anyone else notice how there are EG and TL members with drophack? In fact they had it since last season. What's going on here, conspiracy anyone?
Where is your evidence? Accusing people without replays is a surefire way to get yourself banned.
Banned for pointing out something that's true? I am okay with that.
On May 10 2011 20:39 RapDawg wrote: Did anyone else notice how there are EG and TL members with drophack? In fact they had it since last season. What's going on here, conspiracy anyone?
Where is your evidence? Accusing people without replays is a surefire way to get yourself banned.
Banned for pointing out something that's true? I am okay with that.
I said evidence and replays, that is what this thread is about. Stop pointing out "truths" that you can't back up.
Anyway, I hope these drop hacks get stopped asap, sad to see people can actually do that.
Lol don't keep quoting and feeding him....that was one random as hell comment.. anyway!
Patch is out today, he remains 69-0 as #1 on the NA GM Ladder. I believe Blizzard should take more serious action against these repeat offenders, more than just banning them. Find their IP and sue them for ruining their game experience.
On May 10 2011 14:57 arterian wrote: There is some attack to crash the SC2 client. Just had it happen to my team in 3v3 and the same guy, Redbulll has been abusing it.
Same thing happened to me. I find it funny though that people would use it in 3v3s. I mean it isn't even like anyone cares about your 3v3 ranking. maybe they think it will be harder to track which one is doing it?
On May 10 2011 20:39 RapDawg wrote: Did anyone else notice how there are EG and TL members with drophack? In fact they had it since last season. What's going on here, conspiracy anyone?
Where is your evidence? Accusing people without replays is a surefire way to get yourself banned.
Banned for pointing out something that's true? I am okay with that.
How do we know it's true?
If everyone making a statement without any kind of proof or explanation would have to be taken seriously, it would be pretty bad.
On May 10 2011 20:39 RapDawg wrote: Did anyone else notice how there are EG and TL members with drophack? In fact they had it since last season. What's going on here, conspiracy anyone?
User was banned for this post.
Rofl. Man I really can't believe Pillage's account or guest pass is still open. Really seems absolutely ridiculous. I remember in the first installment of top 200, some vnrock guy was found to be cheating and they knocked his ass out almost immediately.
This PiLLaGe guy is a douche bag and a cheater. Here are my reasons why.. First of all he's a clearly abusing ladder system not that it matters. Secondly he's hacking... Anyone who hacks is CHEATING. No matter the cause. Sure he might be fixing some bugs in the game and giving blizzard new information on new hacks (if this is even true) he still hacks on the side. For fun or for competitive play doesn't really matter... He's a hacker and a hacker is a cheater.
Hey, I was just trying to clear the air about his possible intentions, not call anyone or out or stop the relationship between Blizzard and hackers - is it possible to remove the posts quoting my original? Thank you TL <3
Well I heard that, there is a lot of ppl working on reverse engineering to scII trying to develope some LAN thing,but then they come out with stuff like that.
I will never go to NA. So many bad people there On a serious note, this is a very good topic, and everybody should have a look at it. Also, this should scare people away from hacking, because no one want to stand on TL like this.
I got curios about the recent pillage thing and what actually happened when you play him so sought it out on Select's archived videos, for anyone else wondering;
There is another topic about hack(s) where I commented but I would like to put this bit about that Pillage's hack here, too:
"I am not into programming and stuff but maybe he is not banned yet because Blizzard needs more info from his ladder hacking to understand and find fix for it."
I really hope they will soon fix that exploit and ban everyone who used it on ladder.
Format: 1v1 Ladder Realm : Europe Your name : Yangy Hacker Name : Jehuti Replay : [url blocked] Description : Obv Nydus Scouting.. Attack clicking things in fog of war (Nydus) Looking over my base with no scouting unit present.
Format: 4v4 ladder Realm : North America Your name : kingkapong Hacker Name : sorcery Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?9s88gpvcvbc1u76 Description : this is a fairly old replay from october 2010 and in light of the recent grandmaster fiasco, i decided to post this (submitted to blizzard when this happened). also according to his post prior to getting banned he mentioned that his main account was clean. this was also when they were doing their portrait grind (to hybrid reaver etc.)
played a drawn out 4v4 game vs sorcery and his buddies. i pretty much died to their proxy rush and during the game noticed suspicious activities (as if they were psychic). the red zerg pretty much had the unit counters which saved them countless times.
Obvious things to note : 9:29 to 9:32 - he checks fog of war (green protoss base, which hasn't been scouted) right when dark shrine finishes. 9:35 - checks dt as it just walks into overlord vision and both him and red prepare for the dt (getting into position and warping in sentries at nexus) 11:22 - pretty much knew a dt was coming with no prior scouting knowledge. 28:52 - gets into position before voidrays arrive (no prior scouting knowledge) 29:37 - checks fog of war at the gold expansion.
Realm : EU Your name : seodoth Hacker Name : XytoxicNL Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?403b7571j6tv7jv Description : This guy has been reported here before, only then he was named "XitoxicNL" instead of "XytoxicNL" ^^ very creative. He still uses maphax, not scouting, looking through fog, the works. Obvious things to note : I had a friendly conversation with him, we talked about a lot of things, played 2 more games, in which he still hacked, and in the end I gained a lot of information about him. + Show Spoiler +
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.. but the game doesnt appear in my match history. So I guess he is already on some kind of black list ?... cause I dont know how to report him now.... 
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