The TL Hacker Database! - Page 5

On September 13 2010 10:11 zomgtossrush wrote:


Please don't even try to comment on strategy on this thread. This is infuriating me. Watch the replay or don't comment. He build 3 turrets WAY away from his main buildings, inbetween our bases(close pos meta). Any standard justification for trying to stop dt dropping wouldnt be to make 20 turrets around the edge of your base.

I am very close to the edge with ppl just commenting on this thread. In fact i don't even think players should be watching reps, only admins, since the level of most players are pretty low that have commented.

I am not trying to troll, but theorycrafting on this thread should almost lead to a temp ban. this isn't the place for strategy talk. Its a place to analyse replays to catch hackers, not to discuss potential timings.

His turrets came almost immediatly after my vrs were coming out. As in, if he were an actual good player, he would glance at the fog, and notcie, "o hey, he cancelled his dt tech, no way he can dt drop now."

But no, scrubby players are trying to theorycraft this guys defense.

Edi: Plus u don't need more than 1 turret to detect a dt, you need exactly 1-2 well placed ones, or 3 if you have a shitty base. Not 3 right next to each other, again please watching the damn replay before you comment.

On September 13 2010 22:46 NB wrote:
sever NA
Name of hacker iPwn (i remember it to be that)
what he did: kulas 4 players map he went 5 racks reaper at your nature without scout you first.
all of his recent games are win by 5 or 11 racks and under 10 mins.
i sent a report to blizzard!

On September 09 2010 07:02 zomgtossrush wrote:
can players who are EXTREMLY bm be added to this too? Such as players who fly cc's to prolong games?

On September 10 2010 09:51 Back wrote:
Realm : North America
Your name : Back
Hacker Name : Ltqi
Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76904-1v1-protoss-zerg-xelnaga-caverns
Description : Constantly looking at my base and units through the fog of war. Unit movement to intercept units that were not yet visible. No scouting whatsoever. Even his first overlord ends up lost on the side of the map.
Obvious things to note : Whenever I make a new building, he will look at what it is through the fog a few seconds later.

On September 13 2010 12:09 Aquafresh wrote:


Arb was referring to DT drops. As in shooting down warp prisms. Obviously he wasn't the best player, and he certainly didn't look through the fog to see the building cancel (does that even work?) so he would have had a definite reason to fear them. I don't think the attitude was necessary...

I watched the replay and I have to say your accusation is very flimsy. I went through the whole thing pausing and checking both his camera and the observers and not once did he look at your base or anything suspicious through the fog. Furthermore he made several blunders that should not have happened to even the most discreet map hacker, which I will point out below. I will try to address your accusations anyway though.

1. That he built turrets in a good position to blindly counter your void rays.

Once he scouted the Dark Shrine he built a turret at his choke (for detection.) He then built one right near his CC even though you had cancelled the shrine by this point, and then sent an SCV to build one in the smoke (I have seen numerous pros do this no matter what the situation so this is fine) He then started to Turret up the entire perimeter of his base by queuing up Turrets with SCVs (2 i think). This was before you even moved your voids around your base, and he did not once look at them through the fog. You could make an argument that he was watching them move on the minimap, but again, he built these initial turrets before you made any movements with them whatsoever. After you attacked, saw the turrets, and retreated, he proceeded to completely lock down that side of his base with turrets despite the fact that you were in the process of swinging around to the front of his base. After you attacked his barracks, and his response marines (which were out of position to defend harass), he emptied his bunkers and repelled your voids, then he finished turreting up his entire base. Again it needs to be said that he did not once look at your voids through the fog, and judging by his response to your harass, he wasn't looking at them on the minimap either.

2. Suspicious scans

He did scan your natural to find your army. He did this throughout the game which suggests it is part of his routine when playing. I think he only found significant troops on the first scan, and you hid your army multiple times and caught him off guard with flanks successfully at least once. The only reason they did not succeed was that his force of vikings was just to strong for protoss air at that point.

The scan on the main where he found your carriers looks mostly lucky to me. He scanned when you already had one carrier out. If he had scanned when you placed the fleet beacon you could argue that he saw the blip appear on the minimap and scanned to figure out what it was, but that is a flimsy argument, and shouldn't be considered proof for this thread unless that behavior can be demonstrated across multiple replays. Also, again, he did not look though the fog. As to why you would scan the main in such a situation? It was pretty common to randomly scan for carrier tech in lategame TvP in BW, but I don't play T in this game so I don't know what constitutes standard scanning practice. Perhaps he routinely gets beaten by sneaky tech switches? I fake phoenix scout terrans at random times solely for this reason. Either way it is not a sufficiently strong reason to label somebody a maphacker.

A few further things that point to him NOT having maphack on.

-He didn't find your third for a long time, even though he should have seen it on the minimap. He even saw probes maynarding that way in one of his scans and he still seemed to have missed it's existence.

-He tried blindly building a CC at his third despite the fact that you had a pylon and a stalker there. This led to a dead SCV and what looked like a failed cancel on the CC.

-He built his next batch of turrets (in response to your voids) completely out of position. They were on the border between your bases when he should have built them facing the center of the map as you had circled his base and were prepared to attack in that direction.

-He movied his marines out of position after chasing off another harass attempt and got punished for it when you were able to charge up on his barracks and kill off his response marines.

-He got flanked by a group of carriers/voids while his vikings were giving his tanks vision of the edge your base. If he had his vikings in position he would have shot down those units before they could even make a dent in his forces. He was babysitting his army the whole time so he must have legitimately been surprised by the flank.

-He scouted your position last even though it would have been perfectly legit to do it first as you were in close positions.

So my conclusion is that he was not map hacking. Either that or he is the most subtle cheater in the known universe. Hope that is a satisfactory analysis.


On a side not: This thread aspires to be a sort of blacklist of known ladder hackers right? If it is to avoid becoming a witch hunt people really need to provide extraordinary evidence, such as looking at troop movements through the fog, or straight up warping in immortals. Really though, looking through the fog or perfect troop movements coinciding with the dots on the minimap ought to be the minimum standard for map hack accusations.

On September 14 2010 03:48 zomgtossrush wrote:
I will note that if i recall reading somewhere on tl, you can have hacks that make it so you can look at the fog, and the game will not detect it. So the que of fog looking is sorta useless for hacker detection.

On September 14 2010 05:31 Aquafresh wrote:


If such a hack exists that would make detecting people using it difficult without more evidence than just a replay. It would be nice to know more about this hack. For instance, if it does not record camera movements when you are looking at the fog, then you would expect someone using it to never have their player cam leave their vision right? That would be suspicious as certain commands are really impractical to give through the minimap. In any case this guy did look at the fog a few times when scouting at the beginning, building, and moving troops around which seems ok. He did use the minimap to scan a few times, which seems weird to me, but could just be his style. In any case it would be very helpful to know how some of the more subtle hacks work, so we know what to look for when watching replays.

I hope discussion such as this is appropriate for this thread.

On September 10 2010 09:55 Nokarot wrote:
Not really a big deal, he's extremely bad.. but he's a fog of war maphacker, sure as sure.

Realm : North America
Your name : Nokarot
Hacker Name : Ppzgenome
Replay : http://starcraft2reps.com/index.php?a=details&id=1811

Description : Looking at me through the fog of war, nothing special. It's a good thing he was awful and tried to pull some all-in 4rax marine push which I killed with lings, but its all good. I won anyway.

Obvious things to note : Looked at my base at the very beginning. Looked at my expansion when I put my hatchery up. Sent marines attack-moving to the destructible rocks with no scouting (Could be coincidental if not for previous mentions.) Sent marines to kill my ling on the Xel'Naga tower, only to pull back as soon as I start moving a ling force (from all the way in my base) towards the tower in defense.

On September 10 2010 09:26 will925 wrote:
Realm : North America
Your name : Will
Hacker Name :Kravren
Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76875-2v2-terran-protoss-tarsonis-assault
Description :
My friend EdWreck and I were 2v2-ing Kravren and his partner when his partner DCs. Most of the match Kravren uses both armies to mass marines and try to push. He takes out an expo and proxy pylon very easily and upon inspection of the replay you see he looks at seemingly nothing on the map a lot or pans over our base a lot, especially mine since he never attacks me at all.

Obvious things to note :
0:09 Early opponent base scan. Not too suspicious, may he is just looking around the map.
3:51 Sees my probe on its way to build a proxy pylon
4:12 Sees pylon being built and then destroys it.
6:54 Scans bases entrances to decide attack plan
12:39 Base scan again
14:10 Scans my friends hidden expo!!! And then attacks and destroys it!!!
18:54 Sees the banshees and moves marines in anticipation for the banshees.

On September 15 2010 00:38 arb wrote:





Missed both of these, will watch and add to OP, unless someone beats me to it

PpzGenome : god damn he was terrible, he looked at fog Alot, and he usually just sent shit to defend things he never scouted, can someone else take a look at this please?

Watch Kravren rep now

On September 14 2010 05:13 Night[7] wrote:
Realm : EU
Your name : Nocturnal
Hacker Name : Kogt
Replay :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7KTZHYWV
Description :
Pretty standard ZvZ. Ling baneling micro. Mistakes on both our parts. He tries to expand and go roaches but I manage to break him before he get's enough out. The whole has left the game and been defeated chat comes up a long with the victory screen. After going to the score screen it says I have lost 10 points.

My friend told me I got drophacked which is why I came to this page. as of now I am not accusing this player but rather wondering if anyone else has had this experience with him. I suppose this could be a bug but it would seem to be a really strange one.