EPTPeople are just going to have to deal with replays.
In terms of sympathizing between someone who installed capture software and someone who wants to be a pro-SC2 player, It's pretty easy for me to make up my mind.
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
People are just going to have to deal with replays. In terms of sympathizing between someone who installed capture software and someone who wants to be a pro-SC2 player, It's pretty easy for me to make up my mind. | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:21 arb wrote: Start casting the replays IMO, or just at the most allow a streamer/admin if needed, the casters can cast off the streamers stream, no reason for 14++ people(whatever ist he limit now) to be in one game making it unplayable. I think SC2 is already passed casting replays. Right now starting over isn't goinf solve this but moving forward and finding solutions to our problems. Lag, minimize the number of streamers per game. Cheating, find a way to delay the stream. Stress, proper organizing. If all hope fails then do it classic style. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:12 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Ugh this thread is the biggest repeat ever. Person 1: "Hey just use replays" Person 2: "Dude there is a problem with spoilers and players not sending in replays, plus you will get less viewers with replays than live" Person 1: "Oh just add a delay" Person 2: "That's alot of $ and really not feasible." Person 1: "Oh, well than idk" Person 3: "Just use replays..." Until something new comes up in this thread I am withdrawing. There is issues on both sides and there is no right answer. Blizzard could make a fix for this but will not because it's blizzard and having 2 sweet ass computers just to run a stream is also not feasible. Actually, it's more like 2 good people with decent computers and good connections if you don't expect somebody to have 2 good computers. And realistically, the person sending out the stream to ustream/livestream doesn't even need that good of a computer because it'd be capturing a video, not even sc2 itself which isn't taxing unless you have a really bad computer. edit to addon: X: needs the best computer since he's capturing the video in the highest quality from sc2 itself as well as recording. He also would need the best connection since the original file it'd be streaming to Y would be less compressed. Y: Needs only a good enough computer/connection to upload and capture in quality that is to the caster's requirement (1000kbs for example). Since he's merely capturing a .avi (or whatever) to stream the taxation on videocard/mobo is a lot less since sc2 isn't even running. | ||
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Serendipicus
United States90 Posts
Two designated admins, should be allowed in game to make sure all is good. (I don't know if all parties involved are equally monitored for shenanigans) PM's etc.. The fans will have to understand why some tourneys would be on delay or livecasted of the replay. If it is a replay, the players will have to hold the results to themselves or face a penalty. (this should be discussed upon organizers) Replays should be sent in a timely fashion. In order for anything thing to work, Blizzard will have to be contacted and convinced to add a tournament feature where records on said games will be held confidential. Please everyone stay on topic, Help with informative solutions to make this a more professional and fair experience for everyone. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
Poll: Where do you stand on Replays vs Live? I prefer replays because cheating and laggy games are big risks (36) I prefer live games because cheating and laggy games are not big risks (31) 67 total votes Your vote: Where do you stand on Replays vs Live? (Vote): I prefer live games because cheating and laggy games are not big risks If this gets enough attention, I think it would be a good idea to edit this into your OP, HuK. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:31 Mohdoo wrote: *poll* Not a great poll tbh. I think you need to rename it. I agree with the players that the cheating and lag are big risks. I still prefer live streams. The way it's written is confusing. | ||
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clik
United States319 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:32 keV. wrote: Not a great poll tbh. I think you need to rename it. I agree with the players that the cheating and lag are big risks. I still prefer live streams. The way it's written is confusing. What is it about a game being live that makes you decide someone cheating in the tournament is worth it? | ||
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Me1234
Germany219 Posts
it should be mandatory for online tournaments to send the replay directly after every match/map to the tournament admins so they can send it to the casters or tournament admins should give out a "offical replay mailing list before the tournament". if players do this after every match it won't delay the stream so much. | ||
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Blondinbengt
Sweden578 Posts
I mean, I haven't really seen any real argument for live --> replay, I've only seen comments along the lines of ''it has to be live'' or ''there's something special about watching it live'', can someone actually make a real argument for live ---> replay, that's not simply an arbitrary preference? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:37 Me1234 wrote: I agree with huk it should be mandatory for online tournaments to send the replay directly after every match/map to the tournament admins so they can send it to the casters or tournament admins should give out a "offical replay mailing list before the tournament". if players do this after every match it won't delay the stream so much. All that would need to happen would be for penalty points to be awarded to players who don't send replays. If players are punished for not sending in replays in a timely manner, there will be no problems. | ||
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:24 Comeh wrote: I'm sorry, but can someone explain to me why there would be less viewers if they were casted replays then if it were live - assuming no spoilers, shortly after the games have been played, with equivalent casting. If it were the industry standard ( that is, casters could only cast from replays), i don't see why people wouldn't watch the games. I mean, last time i checked, HDH and KOTB were kind of successful. This is what I thought too, I don't think it would effect it at all but a definite problem is spoilers, because you could just check the players custom games and check the out come. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:36 Mohdoo wrote: What is it about a game being live that makes you decide someone cheating in the tournament is worth it? Uhh. I don't know that anyone is cheating? Live is more fun to watch and there is no chance of being spoiled. I'm pretty sure that the majority of viewers prefer live streams, even if they agree that they present a considerable risk. I'm surprised that you need explanation. Don't take my comment personal. see this: + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2010 05:43 Arkless wrote: I never thought these words would come from my mouth( or fingers ) But I agree with Idra 100%. No amount of sponsors,recognition,prize money will be continued to be given if this game turns into 1 big stream cheat fest. Players>casters always when it comes to tourneys. Obviously yes, I prefer the live streams, but I dont want to watch a livestream if it gives a BM player the advantage over the non BM player who doesnt have it running in the background. I cant begin to tell u how many tourney games i've lost that were casted. Where my opponent has the perfect build order, set up his static D in the exact right spot at the exact right time etc, and then when i watch the replay he has not scouted me once, not even at the start. I mean hell, I was watching Ryan vs Suggy in zotac yesterday and Ryan was responding to questions on bnet chat, from questions gunrunner was saying on the stream. If thats not bm/cheating I dont know what is! huk makes the perfect point. The two biggest tourneys so far were KOTB and HDH, which wer eboth purely off of replays. It's not important to sponsors if a replay is casted 2 minutes after the game is done. What is important that this game isn't known for BM ppl who have the stream in the background, because if it does become that you can kiss every sponsor goodbye. | ||
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Jhax
Ireland201 Posts
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
But I agree with Idra 100%. No amount of sponsors,recognition,prize money will be continued to be given if this game turns into 1 big stream cheat fest. Players>casters always when it comes to tourneys. Obviously yes, I prefer the live streams, but I dont want to watch a livestream if it gives a BM player the advantage over the non BM player who doesnt have it running in the background. I cant begin to tell u how many tourney games i've lost that were casted. Where my opponent has the perfect build order, set up his static D in the exact right spot at the exact right time etc, and then when i watch the replay he has not scouted me once, not even at the start. I mean hell, I was watching Ryan vs Suggy in zotac yesterday and Ryan was responding to questions on bnet chat, from questions gunrunner was saying on the stream. If thats not bm/cheating I dont know what is! huk makes the perfect point. The two biggest tourneys so far were KOTB and HDH, which wer eboth purely off of replays. It's not important to sponsors if a replay is casted 2 minutes after the game is done. What is important that this game isn't known for BM ppl who have the stream in the background, because if it does become that you can kiss every sponsor goodbye. | ||
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Jenslyn87
Denmark527 Posts
So to sum up: Please let your games get casted if you don't have a very good reason not to. It's good for you as a player to get exposure, and it's cool for us as viewers to see strong players in action  | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
I btw agree with HuK edit: okay sorry =) there is the poll already | ||
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