EPTBlizzard is busy. Why try and set up a campaign to harrass them? Why not at least keep trying to contact them yourself for a little longer?
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United States7081 Posts
Blizzard is busy. Why try and set up a campaign to harrass them? Why not at least keep trying to contact them yourself for a little longer? | ||
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rich-
United States144 Posts
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djcube
United States985 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On August 30 2010 08:58 rich- wrote: Lets not look at it from blizzard's perspective. Lets do something that is more relevant. WE are the customers here. Blizzard is there to provide us a service, thats how they make money. Thats their JOB. We paid, most of us bought sc2, and they make money off us otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. Unfortunately, you have to look at it from Blizzard's perspective because that's the perspective Blizzard is going to be looking from. The "we're the customers" thing might have worked 12 years ago, but there's little incentive for Blizzard to keep Brood War alive at this point, In fact, it would probably benefit them more if it completely died so they no longer had to maintain servers for a game that probably doesn't bring them a decent profit margin anymore. Also, you're not likely to find overwhelming support here since most BW players here don't really play on B.Net in the first place. They play on ICCup. Rather than bang your head against a brick wall and hoping that Blizzard is going to listen to you, why don't you make an appeal to your community to consolidate it on a single server or gateway? That will probably be a lot easier. | ||
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Craton
United States17278 Posts
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ted.
United States84 Posts
If you play iccup and this doesn't concern you simply ignore it. Why even bother to post. The original post was made in good intentions directed towards those who still play on bnet, and I know a decent amount of members here who do. Repeating that most players here play iccup isn't accomplishing anything. We know this. I guarantee you there have been members or guests who have read this post and it was indeed relevant to them. Maybe not to you but to some it is. And that is all that matters. And LegendaryZ, you may be right that there is little incentive to keep Brood War alive at this point, but that is exactly why this idea was conceived and this post was made. To hopefully give Blizzard some incentive to at least spend a very small amount of time to help keep a timeless game alive to the small and loyal b.net community that still thoroughly enjoys it, and deserves it. "Overwhelming" support is unnecessary, sure it would be great but it is any type of support that really matters, hence why he has bots on every server spamming it, hence why he put it on the front page of thebgh.com. I hardly consider this him banging his head on a brick wall, he has made like 3 or 4 posts in a very calm manner simply explaining why he would like some type of support regarding this matter. I respect that, and you should too, even if you don't play on battle.net. This doesn't mean you have to email Blizzard but at least respect his positive intentions directed towards a game we all love. I don't even play bw anymore but I have nothing but respect for this idea. I don't understand why there are so many people so quick to shut this down. As I said earlier if you play iccup and this doesn't concern you, you don't need to post to let everyone know... And if you were to have read some of Rich's posts you would realize he did make an appeal to his community to consolidate it on a single server, its just easier said than done as was mentioned. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
1) BGHers not really caring about lan lat. Only a select few top BGHers are partial to lan lat. The rest dont see the benefits, which significantly reduces the attraction of ICCUP. 2) BGHers are comfortable playing with their friends and people they know on the gateways they've always played on. I'm not talking just about the people on their friends list, but the people they see, meet, talk to, and play with on a daily basis in marlboro or )v(. Nobody would want to suddenly make a switch and be amongst strangers. Moving people in bulk obviously is either not possible, or extremely hard, since everybodys going to wait for others to move first, which never happens. Since getting players to move hasn't worked, the next best thing is to consolidate servers. How can this be viewed as a bad thing? SC1 now has an obviously dwindling community, low players or BGHers, and consolidating servers will be something good. And not trying to help this effort by assuming Blizzard won't care is pretty defeatist. Why not try? Whats the harm in spending two minutes to possibly help the SC1 community? Why not attempt to help people that you've shared SC with for 12 years? I don't play SC1 anymore, but I have no problem supporting this cause. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 30 2010 08:58 rich- wrote: Lets not look at it from blizzard's perspective. Lets do something that is more relevant. WE are the customers here. Blizzard is there to provide us a service, thats how they make money. Thats their JOB. We paid, most of us bought sc2, and they make money off us otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. Just gonna say I feel like most people hardly qualify as customers anymore considering the game was bought by most people at a minimum of 5 years ago. Most warranties aren't even that long. | ||
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
On August 30 2010 10:53 FabledIntegral wrote: Just gonna say I feel like most people hardly qualify as customers anymore considering the game was bought by most people at a minimum of 5 years ago. Most warranties aren't even that long. They are still the end-user; the people the game was designed for. While I don't agree with trying to lower Blizzard employees' wages by shafting them on surveys, I do agree with consolidating their player-base. My personal feeling is they are going to have to take their fate into their own hands and just gut out their own community. I don't see Blizzard changing the inner-workings of a game for a niche. | ||
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Emperor_Earth
United States824 Posts
I manage a community of BGH gamers. We are having issues getting enough games in because of fragmentation of servers. Option 1: Get Activision-Blizzard, a company of thousands of employees whose parent company is notorious for only caring about the bottom line to spend time and money for a customer that is now unhappy with a tiny portion of the game for which he purchased and pain in full quite some time ago, and who will continue playing despite his discontent. Option 2: Get members of your own community numbering less than 100 to either adopt a single server as a home (East/West who cares) or migrate to iCCup. rich-, please explain to us again why you're bothering us with this? Option 1 really seem that much better to you? | ||
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ted.
United States84 Posts
Hes simply asking for support.... the way some of you people react to a totally legitimate request is absurd. How about if you don't care for it you don't post regarding it? We are very aware of the potential of this not working out, you don't have to keep drilling that into us. We are also very aware that many of you don't play on b.net. But how many times do we have to say that all of this is 100% irrelevant? We are trying to ask for any type of support for a good cause. This is a starcraft community with players that do play on bnet whether you realize it or not. If you don't want to support then don't. No need for your snide comments either. End of story... quite simple actually. | ||
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hellokitty[hk]
United States1309 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9530 Posts
On August 30 2010 10:43 Gandalf wrote: It's not like these guys (ted/rich and some others) haven't extensively tried to get BGHers to move to one server/gateway. I would assume failure in this regard is due to: 1) BGHers not really caring about lan lat. Only a select few top BGHers are partial to lan lat. The rest dont see the benefits, which significantly reduces the attraction of ICCUP. 2) BGHers are comfortable playing with their friends and people they know on the gateways they've always played on. I'm not talking just about the people on their friends list, but the people they see, meet, talk to, and play with on a daily basis in marlboro or )v(. Nobody would want to suddenly make a switch and be amongst strangers. Moving people in bulk obviously is either not possible, or extremely hard, since everybodys going to wait for others to move first, which never happens. Since getting players to move hasn't worked, the next best thing is to consolidate servers. How can this be viewed as a bad thing? SC1 now has an obviously dwindling community, low players or BGHers, and consolidating servers will be something good. And not trying to help this effort by assuming Blizzard won't care is pretty defeatist. Why not try? Whats the harm in spending two minutes to possibly help the SC1 community? Why not attempt to help people that you've shared SC with for 12 years? I don't play SC1 anymore, but I have no problem supporting this cause. Great post and true on all accounts! On August 30 2010 11:23 Emperor_Earth wrote: Option 2: Get members of your own community numbering less than 100 to either adopt a single server as a home (East/West who cares) or migrate to iCCup. I think you're greatly underestimating the number of BGH players. On August 30 2010 11:23 Emperor_Earth wrote: rich-, please explain to us again why you're bothering us with this? We're bothering ALL of you, or just YOU? Since when do you represent the whole Teamliquid community? | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On July 19 2010 21:24 deL wrote: Yes and when you likewise report a cheater in your under 14s soccer game to FIFA they ignore you. So even if the BGH community moves to Iccup it will be the same hack-fest than on East. | ||
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Aerox
Malaysia1213 Posts
Location latency and Bnet 0.2. Maybe they'll do it after or have you assimilated into the new Bnet. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Edit: Right now there's 35k people active on BW, it would be great to get everyone together. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Also why should Blizzard make a major server overhaul to satisfy a very small minority of players? | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
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Garrl
Scotland1975 Posts
On August 30 2010 18:51 Boblion wrote: If Iccup admins started to ban the hackers in 3v3 4v4 and UMS more people would play on Iccup, but so far they just don't care. So even if the BGH community moves to Iccup it will be the same hack-fest than on East. The iCCup launcher includes a built-in antihack (and LAN latency); only play people with antihack on, kick them if you see "Antihack: no". The admins don't ban people in UMS/3v3/4v4 because they're unranked. | ||
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