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I need two minutes of your time in order to enhance everyone's gaming experience:
Hi, my name is rich, I am an administrator @ http://www.TheBGH.com. Currently the BGH community is dwindling but not for lack of players, more so because of the distribution of players across three servers. I have already sent blizzard the server consolidation idea. Their response was quite irritating. Basically I filled out their support form and I then received an automated email stating that they had received the email but it was in line to be reviewed. Then I received another email about 2 days later:
Thank you for contacting Blizzard Entertainment Support.
We hope that the information that was provided to you was helpful in resolving your issue. Customer satisfaction is a top priority here at Blizzard Entertainment, and we would like your feedback on the level of service you have received. Your response would be very much appreciated.
Here is a link to the survey: [link] This link is uniquely tied to this survey and your email address; please do not forward this message.
Thank you for your participation!
Laetzin Blizzard Support
Clearly they didn't receive enough of the requests I sent to actually read what I wrote. And because they didn't solve anything, so I gave them poor results on the survey. Blizzard uses the surveys for their employee performance reviews, ie should this employee get a raise or promoted, etc.
So here's my plan:
1. Everyone fill this support request form. Tell blizzard to consolidate east/west/euro in to one server in the description field of this link: https://us.blizzard.com/support/webform.xml?locale=en_US
2. When they email you the survey give their staff a bad score for not responding or caring assuming that they don't grant our request. This may seem like a waste of your time, but this survey is actually an important piece of this. The way it works is if the survey fails to meet a minimum score its automatically forwarded to this guys supervisor (this is how it works at my work, pretty standard operating procedure for IT). So not only does this one guy see this request but two--possibly even more.
I think if we make enough racket they will grant our request. If they don't grant our request it's still worth a shot to keep battle.net afloat, considering it takes only 2 minutes to fill this form out.
Thanks for your time.
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No one plays on any of these servers. Iccup man.
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yea drop the noobness and play iccup ffs =P
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One one hand that's a good thing for battle.net On the other hand nobody here plays on b.net, everyone is on iccup.
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On August 29 2010 23:58 jamesr12 wrote: No one plays on any of these servers. Iccup man. Not true. Europeans don't play, koreans play (on Asia, U. S. West).
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What? Sounds to me like it's your own problem of agreeing what realm your community should play on...
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what would be the problem of playing bgh on iccup?
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You realize that starcraft has been out over 12 years without any change, and is probably not even thought about by blizzard employees anymore, and you are assuming getting one of their employees in hot water will make them invest time money and effort into combining realms for a game they have had nothing to do with for many many years already? No offence, but thats pretty delusional thinking if you ask me.
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On August 30 2010 01:30 eXigent. wrote: You realize that starcraft has been out over 12 years without any change, and is probably not even thought about by blizzard employees anymore, and you are assuming getting one of their employees in hot water will make them invest time money and effort into combining realms for a game they have had nothing to do with for many many years already? No offence, but thats pretty delusional thinking if you ask me.
Asking blizzard if they can combine all of the servers or a "dying game" into one server is delusional thinking? Of course if he doesn't get any kind of response from Blizzard he should be able to give feedback however he sees fit, we don't owe the employees anything. Do you really have to be so dramatic?
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On August 30 2010 01:30 eXigent. wrote: You realize that starcraft has been out over 12 years without any change, and is probably not even thought about by blizzard employees anymore, and you are assuming getting one of their employees in hot water will make them invest time money and effort into combining realms for a game they have had nothing to do with for many many years already? No offence, but thats pretty delusional thinking if you ask me. Clearly you haven't been around for all 12 of those years, because bnet was quite different in the beginning. There was no gateway selection pre-1.08, so saying it's been "without any change" is woefully ignorant.
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Why don't you make your own server using pvpgn and tell all your members to go there? Or at least have an official server/channel
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There are still many more people playing brood war on battle.net on iccup btw, just throwing that out there.
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No one plays UMS games on iccup. Just putting it out there.
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Why bash this idea if server consolidation? Is it not a good idea? Yes most players who post on this site is on Iccup. But There are still many players who play on Battle.Net. His Orginal idea is to send a e-mail and fill out a survey to help change blizzard mind to consolidate servers. Like he said takes 2 mins out of your life to fill something like this out. Instead taking 2 mins bashing this thread why don't you become apart of a change to Starcraft and its community.
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On August 30 2010 02:35 KoS-Templar wrote: Why bash this idea if server consolidation? Is it not a good idea? Yes most players who post on this site is on Iccup. But There are still many players who play on Battle.Net. His Orginal idea is to send a e-mail and fill out a survey to help change blizzard mind to consolidate servers. Like he said takes 2 mins out of your life to fill something like this out. Instead taking 2 mins bashing this thread why don't you become apart of a change to Starcraft and its community.
Because it's a change that most of us don't particularly like...
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On August 30 2010 02:44 icemac wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:35 KoS-Templar wrote: Why bash this idea if server consolidation? Is it not a good idea? Yes most players who post on this site is on Iccup. But There are still many players who play on Battle.Net. His Orginal idea is to send a e-mail and fill out a survey to help change blizzard mind to consolidate servers. Like he said takes 2 mins out of your life to fill something like this out. Instead taking 2 mins bashing this thread why don't you become apart of a change to Starcraft and its community. Because it's a change that most of us don't particularly like...
or care about.
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On August 30 2010 02:35 KoS-Templar wrote: Why bash this idea if server consolidation? Is it not a good idea? Yes most players who post on this site is on Iccup. But There are still many players who play on Battle.Net. His Orginal idea is to send a e-mail and fill out a survey to help change blizzard mind to consolidate servers. Like he said takes 2 mins out of your life to fill something like this out. Instead taking 2 mins bashing this thread why don't you become apart of a change to Starcraft and its community. The answer to every question you asked (including the polite request in your last sentence) can be answered by, "I don't feel this change is needed/good/worth blizzards time." Maybe people want to use their time against this cause instead of for it.
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On August 30 2010 01:54 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 01:30 eXigent. wrote: You realize that starcraft has been out over 12 years without any change, and is probably not even thought about by blizzard employees anymore, and you are assuming getting one of their employees in hot water will make them invest time money and effort into combining realms for a game they have had nothing to do with for many many years already? No offence, but thats pretty delusional thinking if you ask me. Clearly you haven't been around for all 12 of those years, because bnet was quite different in the beginning. There was no gateway selection pre-1.08, so saying it's been "without any change" is woefully ignorant.
I can see where it is implied that I meant there was never any change, however I meant that within the last 4-5 years there as been no updates. Why would 1 person emailing them, demanding they take resources (time and effort) to update a game they have no interest in make any difference? Im merely stating that in all honosty, it's a wasted idea...let alone to ask other people to attempt to help. Nothing will come about it.
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On August 30 2010 01:41 chongu wrote: R1ch is that you? clearly not, because otherwise it would have been a post explaining how he had already solved the problem
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This is not going to work, no offense. GL though
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Teamliquid isn't a personnal army you summon around to sign petitions
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On August 30 2010 03:57 Shade692003 wrote: Teamliquid isn't a personnal army you summon around to sign petitions It's not like he's asking to help him win in some beauty pagaent... This is Starcraft related.
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It's typical for people to post non-substance responses ie "goto iccup man", "play sc2", "this won't work" etc. These types of responses aren't needed, as they contribute nothing nor do they help change anyone's perspective. Reading and writing them is clearly a waste of time. If you disagree just move on to something else, you don't have to posit your 2 cents of dribble.
And on topic: This idea can work and will work if enough people participate in it. The idea itself costs Blizzard zero dollars. It's about five minutes of coding total time investment. Therefore the likely-hood of its success is real. If my request was to them cost them a million dollars then obviously it would be a different story. This can happen. It takes 2 minutes, it's worth a shot to all the die hard bw fans.
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On August 30 2010 03:05 skronch wrote:clearly not, because otherwise it would have been a post explaining how he had already solved the problem LMAO!
User was warned for this post
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On August 30 2010 04:51 rich- wrote: It's typical for people to post non-substance responses ie "goto iccup man", "play sc2", "this won't work" etc. These types of responses aren't needed, as they contribute nothing nor do they help change anyone's perspective. Reading and writing them is clearly a waste of time. If you disagree just move on to something else, you don't have to posit your 2 cents of dribble.
And on topic: This idea can work and will work if enough people participate in it. The idea itself costs Blizzard zero dollars. It's about five minutes of coding total time investment. Therefore the likely-hood of its success is real. If my request was to them cost them a million dollars then obviously it would be a different story. This can happen. It takes 2 minutes, it's worth a shot to all the die hard bw fans.
It's much more than 5 minutes of coding if you want it to not be bugged. Just go to iCCUP. Everyone already has gone to ICCUP. That's server consolidation right there.
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Why don't you just make a plan with the players, considering you are an admin on that site... Tell them that you are moving to X server.
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Thanks for actually posting something that has some content in it. I've tried, bots spamming 3 servers for weeks plus front page news on the site. It's a lot easier said than done.
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On August 30 2010 04:56 rackdude wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 04:51 rich- wrote: It's typical for people to post non-substance responses ie "goto iccup man", "play sc2", "this won't work" etc. These types of responses aren't needed, as they contribute nothing nor do they help change anyone's perspective. Reading and writing them is clearly a waste of time. If you disagree just move on to something else, you don't have to posit your 2 cents of dribble.
And on topic: This idea can work and will work if enough people participate in it. The idea itself costs Blizzard zero dollars. It's about five minutes of coding total time investment. Therefore the likely-hood of its success is real. If my request was to them cost them a million dollars then obviously it would be a different story. This can happen. It takes 2 minutes, it's worth a shot to all the die hard bw fans. It's much more than 5 minutes of coding if you want it to not be bugged. Just go to iCCUP. Everyone already has gone to ICCUP. That's server consolidation right there. No its not. I work as a programmer for web apps. All you do is delete the other options on the server select screen, then rename the server that has the most load capacity to "USA+Euro" (my idea doesn't include consolidating asia with non-asian servers). Simple as that, then pull the physical plug on the servers and sell them on ebay and make a profit. Iccup doesn't interest me because I play BGH. The BGH games on iccup are intensely noob.
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On August 30 2010 01:41 chongu wrote: R1ch is that you? he wouldn't need our help for something like this lol
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I just wonder how many people do care about this, seriously, cuz clearly OP doesnt have an idea either. Someone tell him. Also why would someone give Blizzard a bad score on that survey anyways, not getting the answer u were looking for is not a great excuse. I can see u r very angry and whatnot and u seem a lil confused about how or what to do, just relax man, have a drink and GL.
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Do USEast players and Asian players even play at the same time of day? :/
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On August 30 2010 02:44 icemac wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:35 KoS-Templar wrote: Why bash this idea if server consolidation? Is it not a good idea? Yes most players who post on this site is on Iccup. But There are still many players who play on Battle.Net. His Orginal idea is to send a e-mail and fill out a survey to help change blizzard mind to consolidate servers. Like he said takes 2 mins out of your life to fill something like this out. Instead taking 2 mins bashing this thread why don't you become apart of a change to Starcraft and its community. Because it's a change that most of us don't particularly like...
A change that you don't like? Or it doesn't pertain to you?
If it doesn't pertain to you, don't respond.
If you don't like the idea, please explain why you don't like it.
Other than that I don't see any reason why anyone who plays on battle.net ever shouldn't take out 2 minutes of their life to send in an email asking for this request.
And whoever said it will cost them time and money... lol @ that.
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On August 30 2010 05:14 3 Lions wrote:he wouldn't need our help for something like this lol
Yea chongu you silly goose lol! If it was R1ch, he would just consolidate all the servers himself! lol!
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On August 30 2010 05:18 danbel1005 wrote: I just wonder how many people do care about this, seriously, cuz clearly OP doesnt have an idea either. Someone tell him. Also why would someone give Blizzard a bad score on that survey anyways, not getting the answer u were looking for is not a great excuse. I can see u r very angry and whatnot and u seem a lil confused about how or what to do, just relax man, have a drink and GL.
The % of people on TL who care vs those who don't is irrelevant. The point is that this is a starcraft site, thus there are bound to be people that this applies to. "Someone tell him" How about if you don't care then don't waste your time.
How does he seem angry and confused? I think his intentions were very clear, and not very complicated. I suggest you re read the idea behind this, I found it quite easy to understand to be honest.
Why would he give him a bad score? Probably because he got an automated response saying how they will read his request, followed by another email asking them for his feedback on how they handled his request.... Is that deserving of a good score to you?
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On August 30 2010 05:00 GreEny K wrote: Why don't you just make a plan with the players, considering you are an admin on that site... Tell them that you are moving to X server. BGH community is little weird when it comes to that question. I guess it's the same reason why most of them stayed on BW and didn't switch to SC2. Because they're used to it and it provides them some kind of comfort?
And to all others who are replying to this thread just to get their post count up - don't.
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I'd rather keep away the USEast server segregated away from the USWest server.
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On August 30 2010 03:57 Shade692003 wrote: Teamliquid isn't a personal army you summon around to sign petitions
ohhhh no you didnt.. man TL is your own personal internet survey army dont doubt it..
I hope we can solve this issue. But in the meantime play on ICCup
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great idea. Although I doubt Blizzard will do shit, I filled it out asap.
You must understand you can't just tell everyone to 'go to iccup'. it doesn't work that way. (unlike the low money community.)
combining east/west/euro is a great idea. imo just combine them all. not that many ppl on bnet these days.
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On August 30 2010 05:08 rich- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 04:56 rackdude wrote:On August 30 2010 04:51 rich- wrote: It's typical for people to post non-substance responses ie "goto iccup man", "play sc2", "this won't work" etc. These types of responses aren't needed, as they contribute nothing nor do they help change anyone's perspective. Reading and writing them is clearly a waste of time. If you disagree just move on to something else, you don't have to posit your 2 cents of dribble.
And on topic: This idea can work and will work if enough people participate in it. The idea itself costs Blizzard zero dollars. It's about five minutes of coding total time investment. Therefore the likely-hood of its success is real. If my request was to them cost them a million dollars then obviously it would be a different story. This can happen. It takes 2 minutes, it's worth a shot to all the die hard bw fans. It's much more than 5 minutes of coding if you want it to not be bugged. Just go to iCCUP. Everyone already has gone to ICCUP. That's server consolidation right there. No its not. I work as a programmer for web apps. All you do is delete the other options on the server select screen, then rename the server that has the most load capacity to "USA+Euro" (my idea doesn't include consolidating asia with non-asian servers). Simple as that, then pull the physical plug on the servers and sell them on ebay and make a profit. Iccup doesn't interest me because I play BGH. The BGH games on iccup are intensely noob.
I also do programming for web apps. What you'd have to do is first find where that is in that ancient code, hope they didn't have anything else that revolved around that code as a stupid fix, and then pray it works. Dealing with old code just makes for problems.
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I don't play BGH. So I can't comment on whether what the Rich says is true. But let's look at this from Blizzard's perspective. They just released Starcraft 2. Most of Blizzard's support guys are working on Starcraft 2 user issues. And Blizzard is also trying to work out intellectual copyright issues which could determine whether Starcraft 2 is ten-times bigger than Starcraft Broodwar -- or whether it's the next Warcraft 3.
Blizzard is busy. Why try and set up a campaign to harrass them? Why not at least keep trying to contact them yourself for a little longer?
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Lets not look at it from blizzard's perspective. Lets do something that is more relevant. WE are the customers here. Blizzard is there to provide us a service, thats how they make money. Thats their JOB. We paid, most of us bought sc2, and they make money off us otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.
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Might not be too helpful posting this on TL considering most (not all) users here play competitive 1v1 or 2v2 on iccup and not so much on the regular bnet servers.
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On August 30 2010 08:58 rich- wrote: Lets not look at it from blizzard's perspective. Lets do something that is more relevant. WE are the customers here. Blizzard is there to provide us a service, thats how they make money. Thats their JOB. We paid, most of us bought sc2, and they make money off us otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.
Unfortunately, you have to look at it from Blizzard's perspective because that's the perspective Blizzard is going to be looking from. The "we're the customers" thing might have worked 12 years ago, but there's little incentive for Blizzard to keep Brood War alive at this point, In fact, it would probably benefit them more if it completely died so they no longer had to maintain servers for a game that probably doesn't bring them a decent profit margin anymore. Also, you're not likely to find overwhelming support here since most BW players here don't really play on B.Net in the first place. They play on ICCup. Rather than bang your head against a brick wall and hoping that Blizzard is going to listen to you, why don't you make an appeal to your community to consolidate it on a single server or gateway? That will probably be a lot easier.
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I had expected Blizzard to move old games onto bnet 2.0. I'm surprised they never did.
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Djcube, we are well aware that the majority play iccup...
If you play iccup and this doesn't concern you simply ignore it. Why even bother to post. The original post was made in good intentions directed towards those who still play on bnet, and I know a decent amount of members here who do.
Repeating that most players here play iccup isn't accomplishing anything. We know this. I guarantee you there have been members or guests who have read this post and it was indeed relevant to them. Maybe not to you but to some it is. And that is all that matters.
And LegendaryZ, you may be right that there is little incentive to keep Brood War alive at this point, but that is exactly why this idea was conceived and this post was made. To hopefully give Blizzard some incentive to at least spend a very small amount of time to help keep a timeless game alive to the small and loyal b.net community that still thoroughly enjoys it, and deserves it.
"Overwhelming" support is unnecessary, sure it would be great but it is any type of support that really matters, hence why he has bots on every server spamming it, hence why he put it on the front page of thebgh.com. I hardly consider this him banging his head on a brick wall, he has made like 3 or 4 posts in a very calm manner simply explaining why he would like some type of support regarding this matter. I respect that, and you should too, even if you don't play on battle.net. This doesn't mean you have to email Blizzard but at least respect his positive intentions directed towards a game we all love.
I don't even play bw anymore but I have nothing but respect for this idea. I don't understand why there are so many people so quick to shut this down. As I said earlier if you play iccup and this doesn't concern you, you don't need to post to let everyone know...
And if you were to have read some of Rich's posts you would realize he did make an appeal to his community to consolidate it on a single server, its just easier said than done as was mentioned.
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so bgh community is just weird and have something against installing anti hack launcher and some registry gateway editor thing so they can play on an awesome server (together).....?
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It's not like these guys (ted/rich and some others) haven't extensively tried to get BGHers to move to one server/gateway. I would assume failure in this regard is due to:
1) BGHers not really caring about lan lat. Only a select few top BGHers are partial to lan lat. The rest dont see the benefits, which significantly reduces the attraction of ICCUP.
2) BGHers are comfortable playing with their friends and people they know on the gateways they've always played on. I'm not talking just about the people on their friends list, but the people they see, meet, talk to, and play with on a daily basis in marlboro or )v(. Nobody would want to suddenly make a switch and be amongst strangers. Moving people in bulk obviously is either not possible, or extremely hard, since everybodys going to wait for others to move first, which never happens.
Since getting players to move hasn't worked, the next best thing is to consolidate servers. How can this be viewed as a bad thing? SC1 now has an obviously dwindling community, low players or BGHers, and consolidating servers will be something good. And not trying to help this effort by assuming Blizzard won't care is pretty defeatist. Why not try? Whats the harm in spending two minutes to possibly help the SC1 community? Why not attempt to help people that you've shared SC with for 12 years?
I don't play SC1 anymore, but I have no problem supporting this cause.
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On August 30 2010 08:58 rich- wrote: Lets not look at it from blizzard's perspective. Lets do something that is more relevant. WE are the customers here. Blizzard is there to provide us a service, thats how they make money. Thats their JOB. We paid, most of us bought sc2, and they make money off us otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.
Just gonna say I feel like most people hardly qualify as customers anymore considering the game was bought by most people at a minimum of 5 years ago. Most warranties aren't even that long.
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On August 30 2010 10:53 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 08:58 rich- wrote: Lets not look at it from blizzard's perspective. Lets do something that is more relevant. WE are the customers here. Blizzard is there to provide us a service, thats how they make money. Thats their JOB. We paid, most of us bought sc2, and they make money off us otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. Just gonna say I feel like most people hardly qualify as customers anymore considering the game was bought by most people at a minimum of 5 years ago. Most warranties aren't even that long.
They are still the end-user; the people the game was designed for.
While I don't agree with trying to lower Blizzard employees' wages by shafting them on surveys, I do agree with consolidating their player-base.
My personal feeling is they are going to have to take their fate into their own hands and just gut out their own community.
I don't see Blizzard changing the inner-workings of a game for a niche.
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Let's look at this from rich-'s perspective.
I manage a community of BGH gamers. We are having issues getting enough games in because of fragmentation of servers.
Option 1: Get Activision-Blizzard, a company of thousands of employees whose parent company is notorious for only caring about the bottom line to spend time and money for a customer that is now unhappy with a tiny portion of the game for which he purchased and pain in full quite some time ago, and who will continue playing despite his discontent.
Option 2: Get members of your own community numbering less than 100 to either adopt a single server as a home (East/West who cares) or migrate to iCCup.
rich-, please explain to us again why you're bothering us with this? Option 1 really seem that much better to you?
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Please explain how you are letting this bother you?
Hes simply asking for support.... the way some of you people react to a totally legitimate request is absurd.
How about if you don't care for it you don't post regarding it? We are very aware of the potential of this not working out, you don't have to keep drilling that into us. We are also very aware that many of you don't play on b.net.
But how many times do we have to say that all of this is 100% irrelevant? We are trying to ask for any type of support for a good cause. This is a starcraft community with players that do play on bnet whether you realize it or not. If you don't want to support then don't. No need for your snide comments either. End of story... quite simple actually.
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I did it, ask to consolidate the US West, US East and Euro servers into one right?
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On August 30 2010 10:43 Gandalf wrote: It's not like these guys (ted/rich and some others) haven't extensively tried to get BGHers to move to one server/gateway. I would assume failure in this regard is due to:
1) BGHers not really caring about lan lat. Only a select few top BGHers are partial to lan lat. The rest dont see the benefits, which significantly reduces the attraction of ICCUP.
2) BGHers are comfortable playing with their friends and people they know on the gateways they've always played on. I'm not talking just about the people on their friends list, but the people they see, meet, talk to, and play with on a daily basis in marlboro or )v(. Nobody would want to suddenly make a switch and be amongst strangers. Moving people in bulk obviously is either not possible, or extremely hard, since everybodys going to wait for others to move first, which never happens.
Since getting players to move hasn't worked, the next best thing is to consolidate servers. How can this be viewed as a bad thing? SC1 now has an obviously dwindling community, low players or BGHers, and consolidating servers will be something good. And not trying to help this effort by assuming Blizzard won't care is pretty defeatist. Why not try? Whats the harm in spending two minutes to possibly help the SC1 community? Why not attempt to help people that you've shared SC with for 12 years?
I don't play SC1 anymore, but I have no problem supporting this cause. Great post and true on all accounts!
On August 30 2010 11:23 Emperor_Earth wrote: Option 2: Get members of your own community numbering less than 100 to either adopt a single server as a home (East/West who cares) or migrate to iCCup. I think you're greatly underestimating the number of BGH players.
On August 30 2010 11:23 Emperor_Earth wrote: rich-, please explain to us again why you're bothering us with this? We're bothering ALL of you, or just YOU? Since when do you represent the whole Teamliquid community?
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If Iccup admins started to ban the hackers in 3v3 4v4 and UMS more people would play on Iccup, but so far they just don't care.
On July 19 2010 21:24 deL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 07:06 Boblion wrote: Iccup is getting kinda ridiculous nowadays.
When you make a thread about guys hacking in the 3v3 / 4v4 games ( with replays, screenshots etc ... ) the admins just delete the topic... Yes and when you likewise report a cheater in your under 14s soccer game to FIFA they ignore you.
So even if the BGH community moves to Iccup it will be the same hack-fest than on East.
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Two simple reasons: Location latency and Bnet 0.2.
Maybe they'll do it after or have you assimilated into the new Bnet.
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I still play on BNet, still seems to be lots of games i'm interested in running but putting the servers together would be good anyway. People are too quick to dismiss Bnet in favour of iccup. I'm a fairly casual player an i like to play a variety of just random fun games on Hunters, BGH, FMP, various UMS. Iccup is very 'serious' play mostly and since the average skill level has gone up since SC2 release it's even more true now.
Edit: Right now there's 35k people active on BW, it would be great to get everyone together.
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If the iCCup BGH community is so newb why don't you move over to there and raise the level? I don't know but a thread to rally people to spam Blizzard seems like the least effective way to go about this.
Also why should Blizzard make a major server overhaul to satisfy a very small minority of players?
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people beat me to telling you to just play on iccup like everyone else...
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On August 30 2010 18:51 Boblion wrote:If Iccup admins started to ban the hackers in 3v3 4v4 and UMS more people would play on Iccup, but so far they just don't care. Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 21:24 deL wrote:On July 19 2010 07:06 Boblion wrote: Iccup is getting kinda ridiculous nowadays.
When you make a thread about guys hacking in the 3v3 / 4v4 games ( with replays, screenshots etc ... ) the admins just delete the topic... Yes and when you likewise report a cheater in your under 14s soccer game to FIFA they ignore you. So even if the BGH community moves to Iccup it will be the same hack-fest than on East.
The iCCup launcher includes a built-in antihack (and LAN latency); only play people with antihack on, kick them if you see "Antihack: no". The admins don't ban people in UMS/3v3/4v4 because they're unranked.
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All of you who speak of iccup, stop wasting your time, bgh games (our community) will never relocate to iccup unless public servers were shut down. This is very unlikely. Stop wasting your breath about iccup. gandalfs post was dead on. I don't understand why there are so many people trying so hard to think of reasons to invalidate my plan to strengthen the public servers gaming experience. Why would you fight against that? If it doesn't affect you then what's the point in shooting this idea down? If you're not interested in this idea, why bother responding? My goal is to make gaming more fun, why is that not worthy of support?
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I think it is because it affects only a little group of people. But good luck with your quest!
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Submitted one. I did notice that it became a lot harder to find a game after the beta was launched. I <3 my 2x2x2x2 BGH games and I think combining the servers it a good option now that the bnet interface is not going to be utilized by every game anymore.
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On August 31 2010 03:03 Schnake wrote: I think it is because it affects only a little group of people. But good luck with your quest! It affects anyone who ever gets nostalgic and wants to play an older game like BW or D2. When you have a small number of people on 4 servers you could just have a large number of people on one server. It benefits the gamers a lot more especially since bnet isn't as popular anymore that dividing over servers isn't all that necessary. But it could however provide a better environment for the gamers which blizzard should care about even if it is an older game.
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Brood War doesn't need saving; nor would this be the way to do it. If this actually happens you are going to have so many lag issues. Why should Koreans and Europeans who still want to play 1v1 and UMS have to deal with that? Because your community can't simply log onto the same server as each other? Sorry, but that is so counter-productive.
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What we should be worrying about as SC players is not how to merge the servers but how to mutilate and cause bodily harm to SC2 players and all those involved so that they will come back to SC.
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On August 31 2010 02:51 rich- wrote: All of you who speak of iccup, stop wasting your time, bgh games (our community) will never relocate to iccup unless public servers were shut down. This is very unlikely. Stop wasting your breath about iccup. gandalfs post was dead on. I don't understand why there are so many people trying so hard to think of reasons to invalidate my plan to strengthen the public servers gaming experience. Why would you fight against that? If it doesn't affect you then what's the point in shooting this idea down? If you're not interested in this idea, why bother responding? My goal is to make gaming more fun, why is that not worthy of support?
When you post something on an online forum, it's natural that you open yourself up to criticism, both positive and negative. This is a cause you obviously believe in, but many others simply don't agree with you. You're posting here crying about the community being fragmented across servers, but at the same time you're saying that your community will never relocate to ICCup or sign onto the same B.Net gateway. If community that's being adversely affected by this is unwilling to band together and come to some sort of consensus in the face of several perfectly viable options, then most of them probably don't see it as enough of an issue to take 2 seconds of their time to manually select a specific gateway when logging on. If that's the case, then why on earth would you expect Blizzard to go out of their way to solve an issue that's not widely perceived as a real problem in the first place?
Battle.net and Brood War are fine as they are in my view. Consolidating the servers is really unnecessary because if you are unsatisfied with the population of the server you're on, you can freely switch to a more popular one with the click of a button (USWest/Asia). I think you're making a big issue out of nothing, to be honest. If it's really that much of a problem for your community, maybe you could all take 2 seconds of your day (much shorter than spamming Blizzard) to all click on USWest or something. If people aren't willing to even do that, then maybe it's not as big of an issue as you perceive it to be.
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On August 31 2010 04:24 GunSlinger wrote: Brood War doesn't need saving; nor would this be the way to do it. If this actually happens you are going to have so many lag issues. Why should Koreans and Europeans who still want to play 1v1 and UMS have to deal with that? Because your community can't simply log onto the same server as each other? Sorry, but that is so counter-productive.
By saving we mean preserving a solid strong player base. If this is not the way to do it, could you please enlighten us on what we should be doing?
The idea was not to inclue Asia as that is already a "super" server.
Europeans play on East ALL the time. The majority of my f l are people from all throughout Europe who play east and experience no lag. If there is ever a lag issue its client sided.
Sorry, but this is not counter-productive at all. You posting bullshit as if it is all fact is counter-productive.
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On August 31 2010 04:59 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 02:51 rich- wrote: All of you who speak of iccup, stop wasting your time, bgh games (our community) will never relocate to iccup unless public servers were shut down. This is very unlikely. Stop wasting your breath about iccup. gandalfs post was dead on. I don't understand why there are so many people trying so hard to think of reasons to invalidate my plan to strengthen the public servers gaming experience. Why would you fight against that? If it doesn't affect you then what's the point in shooting this idea down? If you're not interested in this idea, why bother responding? My goal is to make gaming more fun, why is that not worthy of support? When you post something on an online forum, it's natural that you open yourself up to criticism, both positive and negative. This is a cause you obviously believe in, but many others simply don't agree with you. You're posting here crying about the community being fragmented across servers, but at the same time you're saying that your community will never relocate to ICCup or sign onto the same B.Net gateway. If community that's being adversely affected by this is unwilling to band together and come to some sort of consensus in the face of several perfectly viable options, then most of them probably don't see it as enough of an issue to take 2 seconds of their time to manually select a specific gateway when logging on. If that's the case, then why on earth would you expect Blizzard to go out of their way to solve an issue that's not widely perceived as a real problem in the first place? Battle.net and Brood War are fine as they are in my view. Consolidating the servers is really unnecessary because if you are unsatisfied with the population of the server you're on, you can freely switch to a more popular one with the click of a button (USWest/Asia). I think you're making a big issue out of nothing, to be honest. If it's really that much of a problem for your community, maybe you could all take 2 seconds of your day (much shorter than spamming Blizzard) to all click on USWest or something. If people aren't willing to even do that, then maybe it's not as big of an issue as you perceive it to be.
I really wanted to type something to this effect out but I'm too lazy. This is the real issue here; your community. Not Blizzard's problem. Yours.
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On August 31 2010 04:59 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 02:51 rich- wrote: All of you who speak of iccup, stop wasting your time, bgh games (our community) will never relocate to iccup unless public servers were shut down. This is very unlikely. Stop wasting your breath about iccup. gandalfs post was dead on. I don't understand why there are so many people trying so hard to think of reasons to invalidate my plan to strengthen the public servers gaming experience. Why would you fight against that? If it doesn't affect you then what's the point in shooting this idea down? If you're not interested in this idea, why bother responding? My goal is to make gaming more fun, why is that not worthy of support? When you post something on an online forum, it's natural that you open yourself up to criticism, both positive and negative. This is a cause you obviously believe in, but many others simply don't agree with you. You're posting here crying about the community being fragmented across servers, but at the same time you're saying that your community will never relocate to ICCup or sign onto the same B.Net gateway. If community that's being adversely affected by this is unwilling to band together and come to some sort of consensus in the face of several perfectly viable options, then most of them probably don't see it as enough of an issue to take 2 seconds of their time to manually select a specific gateway when logging on. If that's the case, then why on earth would you expect Blizzard to go out of their way to solve an issue that's not widely perceived as a real problem in the first place? Battle.net and Brood War are fine as they are in my view. Consolidating the servers is really unnecessary because if you are unsatisfied with the population of the server you're on, you can freely switch to a more popular one with the click of a button (USWest/Asia). I think you're making a big issue out of nothing, to be honest. If it's really that much of a problem for your community, maybe you could all take 2 seconds of your day (much shorter than spamming Blizzard) to all click on USWest or something. If people aren't willing to even do that, then maybe it's not as big of an issue as you perceive it to be.
The problem here is that many people who play BGH and UMS etc, don't go to our website, let alone even know about it.
Honestly, read Gandalf's post maybe 1 or 2 pages back, he explains everything perfectly, this way you (and others) won't have to keep repeating yourselves.
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Listen I'm going to try and be as calm and simple as possible.
Why would Blizz do this when they have gone out of their way to not let it happen with SC2.
Stop being stubborn and lazy.
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On August 31 2010 05:38 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Listen I'm going to try and be as calm and simple as possible.
Why would Blizz do this when they have gone out of their way to not let it happen with SC2.
Stop being stubborn and lazy.
what?
By "it" do you mean server consolidation? If so your an idiot for comparing the two games because one clearly needs multiple servers as it is a brand new Blizzard game, and the other is 12 years old and is dwindling.
Who should stop being stubborn and lazy? Those of us who have been relentlessly writing articles and posts on multiple websites asking for help, emailing blizzard asking for help, spamming bots on every english speaking server asking for help?
Can you explain how any of that is stubborn or lazy?
Or are you talking to the people who are unaware of what we are trying to do?
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It's not under my control where the community decides to be. You speak to me as if I am all of east west and europe, I'm not, nor am I their boss. No one that plays on public servers disputes that this is a good idea. You're delusional to imply that people will come to me to ask where to game. The fragmentation has already been explained concisely by gandalf, and I already tried to consolidate using my own influence with no result. No one has been able to provide a legitimate reason why this is a bad idea, they just keep repeating the same thing, either "it won't work therefore don't try", or "goto iccup". Both don't serve to better the current state of public servers. And neither are valid points to why this is not worth trying to purpose to blizzard, what harm can come? None that anyone has brought to the table thus far. If such pessimistic view points were taken on any new idea little innovation would result. Just because things work now doesn't mean they can't work better.
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Croatia9366 Posts
Wow, such negativity from people who obviously doesn't care about this idea.
Why reply here just for the sake of replying? If it doesn't concern you, ignore it...
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On August 31 2010 04:24 GunSlinger wrote: Brood War doesn't need saving; nor would this be the way to do it. If this actually happens you are going to have so many lag issues. Why should Koreans and Europeans who still want to play 1v1 and UMS have to deal with that? Because your community can't simply log onto the same server as each other? Sorry, but that is so counter-productive. On what grounds does Brood war not need saving? Everyone that I've talked to on public servers think my idea is a good idea. People still play it, and it's capable of being so much more. You're just pessimistic, and it's not for any reason other than your attempt to contradict me. Battle.net servers have absolutely NOTHING to do with lag. Once the game starts the connection goes from the client-server model to P2P, therefore there servers aren't the source of any lag and never could be. Lag occurs client side only. Lag issues only arise when you're playing with a lagger. Lets take TL's beloved iccup as an example. Lag is a minor issue, and is the result of poor client connection speeds or internet bottle necks. And it's not too much different than playing on a server that's localized to 1 region. Internet speeds have increased drastically in the last 12 years and it's completely possible for someone in north america to play with someone in korea. Also you obviously didn't read my plan. The plan is to combine east, west and europe. Not asia. You should refrain from speaking when you lack knowledge of what you speak of, it makes you look stupid.
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Thanks for your support to those that filled out the request. I Hope it will work.
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On August 31 2010 07:43 rich- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 04:24 GunSlinger wrote: Brood War doesn't need saving; nor would this be the way to do it. If this actually happens you are going to have so many lag issues. Why should Koreans and Europeans who still want to play 1v1 and UMS have to deal with that? Because your community can't simply log onto the same server as each other? Sorry, but that is so counter-productive. On what grounds does Brood war not need saving? Everyone that I've talked to on public servers think my idea is a good idea. People still play it, and it's capable of being so much more. You're just pessimistic, and it's not for any reason other than your attempt to contradict me. Battle.net servers have absolutely NOTHING to do with lag. Once the game starts the connection goes from the client-server model to P2P, therefore there servers aren't the source of any lag and never could be. Lag occurs client side only. Lag issues only arise when you're playing with a lagger. Lets take TL's beloved iccup as an example. Lag is a minor issue, and is the result of poor client connection speeds or internet bottle necks. And it's not too much different than playing on a server that's localized to 1 region. Internet speeds have increased drastically in the last 12 years and it's completely possible for someone in north america to play with someone in korea. Also you obviously didn't read my plan. The plan is to combine east, west and europe. Not asia. You should refrain from speaking when you lack knowledge of what you speak of, it makes you look stupid.
Really? Care to explain why iCCup has about half the lag as b.net than?????????
Seriously guys I thought it was apparent that Blizz is trying to kill BW, not extend it's life....
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US east is full of hackers and griefers, I rarely ever play a game there where someone isn't drophacked. US west is smaller but friendlier and I'd hate for the US east cancer to spill over, don't agree with rich's idea at all.
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So essentially you're encouraging people to spam Blizzard's support department with a request to consolidate servers (something that really doesn't fall under the job of the support department) and subsequently giving the employees (who more likely than not have absolutely nothing to do with this decision) bad performance reviews that you admittedly know could potentially affect their employment or promotions just because you don't like the answer or how they handled the requiest (which also probably has little to nothing to do with the actual employee involved)? And you're doing this because you're upset that there aren't as many people on your server for a 12-year-old game as you want and you can't get other people to care enough to make a conscious decision to click on a particular server when entering the game?
You REALLY don't see why some people might find what you're promoting to be somewhat objectionable?
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In fact, it would probably benefit them more if it completely died so they no longer had to maintain servers for a game that probably doesn't bring them a decent profit margin anymore.
As small as Starcraft/Broodwar is now in terms of sales Blizzard a year ago mentioned sales for the game were very strong from whatever they originally expected for a game this old and popular. Besides the OPs proprosal actually reduces costs. If you played MMOs you would know this is why server consolidations happen.
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On August 31 2010 08:57 LegendaryZ wrote: So essentially you're encouraging people to spam Blizzard's support department with a request to consolidate servers (something that really doesn't fall under the job of the support department) and subsequently giving the employees (who more likely than not have absolutely nothing to do with this decision) bad performance reviews that you admittedly know could potentially affect their employment or promotions just because you don't like the answer or how they handled the requiest (which also probably has little to nothing to do with the actual employee involved)? And you're doing this because you're upset that there aren't as many people on your server for a 12-year-old game as you want and you can't get other people to care enough to make a conscious decision to click on a particular server when entering the game?
You REALLY don't see why some people might find what you're promoting to be somewhat objectionable? absolutely ridiculous, employees being laid off or denied promotions because some BGH players filled out their support forms? "hey, sorry, we gotta let you go, yup it was those BGH players support form submissions, yeah we know you followed protocol but...". total BS
some concerned customers of blizzard are contacting the company and asking an entirely fair question. i cannot fathom why people seem to be so against this. worst case scenario, blizzard says no, and maybe decides to give a reason or two. this idea may even save them money in the long run, unless they are planning to just shut down the gateways anyway.
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On August 31 2010 08:59 mutantmagnet wrote:Show nested quote +In fact, it would probably benefit them more if it completely died so they no longer had to maintain servers for a game that probably doesn't bring them a decent profit margin anymore. As small as Starcraft/Broodwar is now in terms of sales Blizzard a year ago mentioned sales for the game were very strong from whatever they originally expected for a game this old and popular. Besides the OPs proprosal actually reduces costs. If you played MMOs you would know this is why server consolidations happen.
The difference is that in an MMO, your character is usually stuck on a single server, which means that if the population of that server dwindles, you are either forced to start over again on a new server from scratch, pay to transfer your character to a more popular server (if the option is available), or play in a barren wasteland. In an Brood War, you just log out, click on a different gateway, and log in on a new realm. You can do this all without Blizzard lifting a finger and without losing anything (except for stats which nobody really cares about on B.Net anyway).
Server consolidation doesn't happen at the snap of your fingers. There's time and work that goes into it and really, in this case, it would be for little benefit. If Blizzard got to a point where they were compelled to do this, be it for cost reasons or otherwise, they would do so on their own without a bunch of people having to spam their support department with nonsense.
On August 31 2010 09:09 mainerd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 08:57 LegendaryZ wrote: So essentially you're encouraging people to spam Blizzard's support department with a request to consolidate servers (something that really doesn't fall under the job of the support department) and subsequently giving the employees (who more likely than not have absolutely nothing to do with this decision) bad performance reviews that you admittedly know could potentially affect their employment or promotions just because you don't like the answer or how they handled the requiest (which also probably has little to nothing to do with the actual employee involved)? And you're doing this because you're upset that there aren't as many people on your server for a 12-year-old game as you want and you can't get other people to care enough to make a conscious decision to click on a particular server when entering the game?
You REALLY don't see why some people might find what you're promoting to be somewhat objectionable? absolutely ridiculous, employees being laid off or denied promotions because some BGH players filled out their support forms? "hey, sorry, we gotta let you go, yup it was those BGH players support form submissions, yeah we know you followed protocol but...". total BS some concerned customers of blizzard are contacting the company and asking an entirely fair question. i cannot fathom why people seem to be so against this. worst case scenario, blizzard says no, and maybe decides to give a reason or two. this idea may even save them money in the long run, unless they are planning to just shut down the gateways anyway.
Did you actually real the OP's initial post? Regardless of whether the surveys have any effect, he's under the impression that they do affect an employee's performance review and is still encouraging this type of action. You want to ask Blizzard a fair question as a concerned customer? Write them a letter. What is spamming the support department and intentionally giving bad marks on surveys supposed to do other than attempt to cause trouble for someone?
Is it really that difficult to find a BGH game on Battle.net these days?
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my point is that it doesn't matter what reviews people give a "no" response from blizzard, when/if support responds to these tickets it will be either an official stance from blizzard, and the individual responder involved will have nothing to do with the content, or it will be a response to the tune of "please post on our forums, this isn't our department"; which in itself is a company decision. the idea that the negative reviews would even matter in any way is what i am questioning. either way the op's idea isn't a bad one, it basically IS writing them a letter, and raising awareness among blizzard employees who still deal with broodwar players as opposed to most other employees of the company (since it's such an old game). the negative reviews are entirely meaningless.
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On August 31 2010 08:34 attackfighter wrote: US east is full of hackers and griefers, I rarely ever play a game there where someone isn't drophacked. US west is smaller but friendlier and I'd hate for the US east cancer to spill over, don't agree with rich's idea at all.
Use Drophack Protection v1.1 and BWHF to detect known hackers in lobby.
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Given the fact that they haven't acknowledged the OP's support request, it can pretty much be assumed that even if you wanted to support this concept, the messaging the support department isn't the right avenue of approach. But whatever, if people want to burden the support staff with this kind of nonsense and take resources away from people that actually might need legitimate support, then you're fully entitled to do that. While we're at it, why don't we start spamming them to add anti-hacks and make the ladder serious again? That'll enhance and rejuvenate Brood War even more and we all know now that this is a completely appropriate method of letting Blizzard know how we as a community feel.
Suffice to say, while I feel that the idea itself is unnecessary, I'm far more against the methods that people are being encouraged to employ than anything else. If you've ever worked in any type of support, you would know how annoying it is to have a bunch of people call or mail you with complaints or requests that have nothing to do with you. You may think you're raising awareness by doing this, but in reality all you're doing is increasing the workload for a bunch of people that are complete non-factors in any decision making process.
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On August 30 2010 06:17 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 05:00 GreEny K wrote: Why don't you just make a plan with the players, considering you are an admin on that site... Tell them that you are moving to X server. BGH community is little weird when it comes to that question. I guess it's the same reason why most of them stayed on BW and didn't switch to SC2. Because they're used to it and it provides them some kind of comfort? And to all others who are replying to this thread just to get their post count up - don't. So basically because he can't convince the BGH community to consolidate, he wants Blizzard to force them to? And because he can't get enough support in the BGH community he goes to a community for which this is minimally relevant, because a lot of us play on ICCup?
Sound's like he's trying to play "I know what people want better than they do"--because if he could get enough support for this in the BGH community, he wouldn't need to come here. And if they're comfortable with the way things are, who are you to tell them that your idea is better?
I like the idea, but there's pretty much zero reason to be surprised that people are being so unreceptive to this--it doesn't really affect them enough for it to be worth going out of their way to do this.
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I think most of the negative feedback in this thread comes from your method of persuing your idea. It is honestly a pretty jerk thing to do. Maybe a better idea would have been to just make a thread asking for ideas on how to congregate all the BGH players onto one server, or asking if Blizzard combining all the servers into one server is a good idea. Those would have made a much more appreciable thread. That, combined with the fact that Blizzard employees do read this forum occasionally, would probably have more of an effect on Blizzard (if any), than your rather arrogant idea.
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Well if it doesn't affect you.... (here it comes, man this is really a hard point to grasp. Lil wayne says repetition is the father of learning, maybe it's true!) Don't post!! It's the same as if I was talking about cars and was posting if anyone knew about engines, if you knew nothing you wouldn't have to post "Oh man sorry, I don't know much about cars."
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The difference is that in an MMO, your character is usually stuck on a single server, which means that if the population of that server dwindles, you are either forced to start over again on a new server from scratch, pay to transfer your character to a more popular server (if the option is available), or play in a barren wasteland. In an Brood War, you just log out, click on a different gateway, and log in on a new realm. You can do this all without Blizzard lifting a finger and without losing anything (except for stats which nobody really cares about on B.Net anyway). It makes no difference if there's a character. The problem remains the same, there's enough people on each server to get a game, which keeps them there. This fragmentation vastly decreases gaming potential. Furthermore he said MMO, not MMORPG. Starcraft IS an MMO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game I don't understand why so many people that play iccup, sc2, something else or nothing have so much dissent to contribute when it has absolutely no affect on them whatsoever. I play on battle.net and everyone I've encountered thinks that gaming would be more enjoyable with consolidation, they just think that it's unlikely. Which may be true. However that does not merit grounds for never trying. The idea of us trying to get blizzard employees fired is ridiculous. I suggested this just so that we can use their automated system to alert more blizzard people of this idea. This negative survey provides incentive for the support staff not to simply blow this off. It's good motivation for the staff to take this to who makes the ultimate decision about such things and hear it out. And the stereotype about USEast having more hackers than any other server (other than iccup) is absolutely ridiculous. I've played between 25k and 30k games on all servers in the last 12 years. And in my experience the percentages of hackers in games (other than on iccup) is equal. And virtually 0 when you play private games with players that you know. The numbers from Dakota Fanning's hack detector show that USEast has more hackers. However this is due to the fact that the communities that use BWHF are predominantly on east as his numbers show. East also has more players thus more hackers, but the percentages hackers in my experience is the same on all public servers. The reason we don't spam them to make anti-hacks is because the likely-hood of that happening is next to zero because of 1 reason: time. The amount of time it takes to implement my suggest compared to yours is VASTLY different. Plus new hacks come out the day after they implement hack solutions. That's a game of cat and mouse that blizzard doesn't have time to play. My suggestion is no such futile game. It's just 5 minutes of coding and problem solved. Furthermore there's plenty of 3rd party anti-hack solutions that provide both preventative protection and on-the-fly protection. Now I have a question for you, do you even play on battle.net public servers? Somehow I suspect not, yet I also suspect that you will lie if not. So if you do (or don't and lie), what and where do you play?
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On August 31 2010 10:04 LegendaryZ wrote: Suffice to say, while I feel that the idea itself is unnecessary...
May I ask why you feel the OP's idea is unnecessary? I understand you disagree with his methods but I am genuinely curious as to why you are so against his initial idea and keep posting.
May it be because your arguments are consistently invalidated and you are too egotistical to admit this so you look for something else to point out as flawed?
You clearly aren't apart of the community this idea involves as you keep referring to "our" community and "your" community. Thus your merit regarding the necessity of this consolidation is virtually zero.
I have a suggestion for you: Stop posting in this thread.
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"Your" community seems to either be either too lazy or not care enough to fix this themselves. If this was a big deal rallying your community should have been easy. It seems to us that your community is the problem and you are asking Blizzard (in a pretty obnoxious way) to solve the problem of your weak community for you.
The current system seems to not be broke, so why fix it and risk screwing up something that appears to be keeping the remaining players perfectly content. Also, how do we know you speak for the majority of your community? For all we know, most of the BGHers are happy with the present setup and would be opposed to your idea. It doesn't seem like the OP is representative of the BGH community either, seeing as how only a small portion of the BGH community go to his site. If a large portion did, they could organize a server move themselves.
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On August 31 2010 13:41 Phyre wrote: "Your" community seems to either be either too lazy or not care enough to fix this themselves. If this was a big deal rallying your community should have been easy. It seems to us that your community is the problem and you are asking Blizzard (in a pretty obnoxious way) to solve the problem of your weak community for you.
The current system seems to not be broke, so why fix it and risk screwing up something that appears to be keeping the remaining players perfectly content. Also, how do we know you speak for the majority of your community? For all we know, most of the BGHers are happy with the present setup and would be opposed to your idea. It doesn't seem like the OP is representative of the BGH community either, seeing as how only a small portion of the BGH community go to his site. If a large portion did, they could organize a server move themselves. im not sure why BGH'ers would be happy with the present setup, considering it is adding to dwindling ammounts of games on each server. with less players on each gateway overall, the number of games hosted that this group prefers is dropping, not to mention all the other groups of players (UMS comes to mind) that are unable to find the games they want to play. the OP presented an idea that would benefit everyone who likes to login to a blizzard gateways and join randomly hosted games, and in such a way that the likelihood of more blizz employees hearing about it was much better than positing a single thread on the battle.net forums, or starting a mail-in-letter campaign which obviously next to no one would spend their time to participate in. this change would benefit anyone and everyone who plays on east, west, or europe. UMS and BGH players would find each other much easily and their overall gaming experience would be better. blizzard probably should scale back their bnet services due to decreased user loads, and this is the solution that makes the most sense. the "annoyance" created by paying customers contacting support would be fairly minimal. it's the support department's job to deal with unsatisfied customers looking for solutions to their gaming problems. even if they can't offer a technical solution, proliferating the dissatisfaction with the current server state is the best way to get blizzard to at the very least respond, and hopefully take action. the entire point of this effort is that it honestly is the BEST way to bring the player base together. not everyone is an avid forum reader, some people have few friends on bnet, and are unwilling to try other gateways just because it's not "their" gateway. this "campaign" has absolutely no effect on most of the people posting in this thread, since the majority of dissenters are ICCUP players, or maybe even sc2? i can't see any of the critics being USEast/West BGH/UMS players, since they are the people who this would most benefit.
it's the support department's job to deal with unsatisfied, paying customers. it's the players job to tell blizzard what they want the best way that they can. and it should be our job as fellow starcraft players to support or at the very least acknowledge the effort that r1ch- and others are making to make a better gameplay experience for everyone who are still playing on the original battle.net. simply stated, there are no losers here. it's win - win
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Osaka26972 Posts
I think this thread has run its course.
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