Save Brood War Via Server Consolidation:

On August 29 2010 23:58 jamesr12 wrote:
No one plays on any of these servers. Iccup man.

On August 30 2010 01:30 eXigent. wrote:
You realize that starcraft has been out over 12 years without any change, and is probably not even thought about by blizzard employees anymore, and you are assuming getting one of their employees in hot water will make them invest time money and effort into combining realms for a game they have had nothing to do with for many many years already? No offence, but thats pretty delusional thinking if you ask me.

On August 30 2010 01:30 eXigent. wrote:
You realize that starcraft has been out over 12 years without any change, and is probably not even thought about by blizzard employees anymore, and you are assuming getting one of their employees in hot water will make them invest time money and effort into combining realms for a game they have had nothing to do with for many many years already? No offence, but thats pretty delusional thinking if you ask me.

On August 30 2010 02:35 KoS-Templar wrote:
Why bash this idea if server consolidation? Is it not a good idea? Yes most players who post on this site is on Iccup. But There are still many players who play on Battle.Net. His Orginal idea is to send a e-mail and fill out a survey to help change blizzard mind to consolidate servers. Like he said takes 2 mins out of your life to fill something like this out. Instead taking 2 mins bashing this thread why don't you become apart of a change to Starcraft and its community.

On August 30 2010 02:35 KoS-Templar wrote:
Why bash this idea if server consolidation? Is it not a good idea? Yes most players who post on this site is on Iccup. But There are still many players who play on Battle.Net. His Orginal idea is to send a e-mail and fill out a survey to help change blizzard mind to consolidate servers. Like he said takes 2 mins out of your life to fill something like this out. Instead taking 2 mins bashing this thread why don't you become apart of a change to Starcraft and its community.

On August 30 2010 01:54 city42 wrote:

Clearly you haven't been around for all 12 of those years, because bnet was quite different in the beginning. There was no gateway selection pre-1.08, so saying it's been "without any change" is woefully ignorant.

On August 30 2010 01:41 chongu wrote:
R1ch is that you?

On August 30 2010 03:57 Shade692003 wrote:
Teamliquid isn't a personnal army you summon around to sign petitions

On August 30 2010 03:05 skronch wrote:

clearly not, because otherwise it would have been a post explaining how he had already solved the problem

On August 30 2010 04:51 rich- wrote:
It's typical for people to post non-substance responses ie "goto iccup man", "play sc2", "this won't work" etc. These types of responses aren't needed, as they contribute nothing nor do they help change anyone's perspective. Reading and writing them is clearly a waste of time.
If you disagree just move on to something else, you don't have to posit your 2 cents of dribble.

And on topic:
This idea can work and will work if enough people participate in it. The idea itself costs Blizzard zero dollars. It's about five minutes of coding total time investment. Therefore the likely-hood of its success is real. If my request was to them cost them a million dollars then obviously it would be a different story.
This can happen. It takes 2 minutes, it's worth a shot to all the die hard bw fans.

On August 30 2010 04:56 rackdude wrote:


It's much more than 5 minutes of coding if you want it to not be bugged. Just go to iCCUP. Everyone already has gone to ICCUP. That's server consolidation right there.

On August 30 2010 02:44 icemac wrote:


Because it's a change that most of us don't particularly like...

On August 30 2010 05:14 3 Lions wrote:

he wouldn't need our help for something like this lol

On August 30 2010 05:18 danbel1005 wrote:
I just wonder how many people do care about this, seriously, cuz clearly OP doesnt have an idea either. Someone tell him.
Also why would someone give Blizzard a bad score on that survey anyways, not getting the answer u were looking for is not a great excuse. I can see u r very angry and whatnot and u seem a lil confused about how or what to do, just relax man, have a drink and GL.

On August 30 2010 05:00 GreEny K wrote:
Why don't you just make a plan with the players, considering you are an admin on that site... Tell them that you are moving to X server.

On August 30 2010 03:57 Shade692003 wrote:
Teamliquid isn't a personal army you summon around to sign petitions

On August 30 2010 05:08 rich- wrote:

No its not. I work as a programmer for web apps. All you do is delete the other options on the server select screen, then rename the server that has the most load capacity to "USA+Euro" (my idea doesn't include consolidating asia with non-asian servers). Simple as that, then pull the physical plug on the servers and sell them on ebay and make a profit.
Iccup doesn't interest me because I play BGH. The BGH games on iccup are intensely noob.

On August 30 2010 08:58 rich- wrote:
Lets not look at it from blizzard's perspective. Lets do something that is more relevant. WE are the customers here. Blizzard is there to provide us a service, thats how they make money. Thats their JOB. We paid, most of us bought sc2, and they make money off us otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

On August 30 2010 08:58 rich- wrote:
Lets not look at it from blizzard's perspective. Lets do something that is more relevant. WE are the customers here. Blizzard is there to provide us a service, thats how they make money. Thats their JOB. We paid, most of us bought sc2, and they make money off us otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

On August 30 2010 10:53 FabledIntegral wrote:


Just gonna say I feel like most people hardly qualify as customers anymore considering the game was bought by most people at a minimum of 5 years ago. Most warranties aren't even that long.

On August 30 2010 10:43 Gandalf wrote:
It's not like these guys (ted/rich and some others) haven't extensively tried to get BGHers to move to one server/gateway. I would assume failure in this regard is due to:

1) BGHers not really caring about lan lat. Only a select few top BGHers are partial to lan lat. The rest dont see the benefits, which significantly reduces the attraction of ICCUP.

2) BGHers are comfortable playing with their friends and people they know on the gateways they've always played on. I'm not talking just about the people on their friends list, but the people they see, meet, talk to, and play with on a daily basis in marlboro or )v(. Nobody would want to suddenly make a switch and be amongst strangers. Moving people in bulk obviously is either not possible, or extremely hard, since everybodys going to wait for others to move first, which never happens.

Since getting players to move hasn't worked, the next best thing is to consolidate servers. How can this be viewed as a bad thing? SC1 now has an obviously dwindling community, low players or BGHers, and consolidating servers will be something good. And not trying to help this effort by assuming Blizzard won't care is pretty defeatist. Why not try? Whats the harm in spending two minutes to possibly help the SC1 community? Why not attempt to help people that you've shared SC with for 12 years?

I don't play SC1 anymore, but I have no problem supporting this cause.

On August 30 2010 11:23 Emperor_Earth wrote:
Option 2: Get members of your own community numbering less than 100 to either adopt a single server as a home (East/West who cares) or migrate to iCCup.

On August 30 2010 11:23 Emperor_Earth wrote:
rich-, please explain to us again why you're bothering us with this?

On July 19 2010 21:24 deL wrote:

Yes and when you likewise report a cheater in your under 14s soccer game to FIFA they ignore you.

On August 30 2010 18:51 Boblion wrote:
If Iccup admins started to ban the hackers in 3v3 4v4 and UMS more people would play on Iccup, but so far they just don't care.



So even if the BGH community moves to Iccup it will be the same hack-fest than on East.

On August 31 2010 03:03 Schnake wrote:
I think it is because it affects only a little group of people. But good luck with your quest!

On August 31 2010 02:51 rich- wrote:
All of you who speak of iccup, stop wasting your time, bgh games (our community) will never relocate to iccup unless public servers were shut down. This is very unlikely. Stop wasting your breath about iccup.
gandalfs post was dead on. I don't understand why there are so many people trying so hard to think of reasons to invalidate my plan to strengthen the public servers gaming experience. Why would you fight against that? If it doesn't affect you then what's the point in shooting this idea down? If you're not interested in this idea, why bother responding? My goal is to make gaming more fun, why is that not worthy of support?

On August 31 2010 04:24 GunSlinger wrote:
Brood War doesn't need saving; nor would this be the way to do it. If this actually happens you are going to have so many lag issues. Why should Koreans and Europeans who still want to play 1v1 and UMS have to deal with that? Because your community can't simply log onto the same server as each other? Sorry, but that is so counter-productive.

On August 31 2010 04:59 LegendaryZ wrote:


When you post something on an online forum, it's natural that you open yourself up to criticism, both positive and negative. This is a cause you obviously believe in, but many others simply don't agree with you. You're posting here crying about the community being fragmented across servers, but at the same time you're saying that your community will never relocate to ICCup or sign onto the same B.Net gateway. If community that's being adversely affected by this is unwilling to band together and come to some sort of consensus in the face of several perfectly viable options, then most of them probably don't see it as enough of an issue to take 2 seconds of their time to manually select a specific gateway when logging on. If that's the case, then why on earth would you expect Blizzard to go out of their way to solve an issue that's not widely perceived as a real problem in the first place?

Battle.net and Brood War are fine as they are in my view. Consolidating the servers is really unnecessary because if you are unsatisfied with the population of the server you're on, you can freely switch to a more popular one with the click of a button (USWest/Asia). I think you're making a big issue out of nothing, to be honest. If it's really that much of a problem for your community, maybe you could all take 2 seconds of your day (much shorter than spamming Blizzard) to all click on USWest or something. If people aren't willing to even do that, then maybe it's not as big of an issue as you perceive it to be.

On August 31 2010 04:59 LegendaryZ wrote:


When you post something on an online forum, it's natural that you open yourself up to criticism, both positive and negative. This is a cause you obviously believe in, but many others simply don't agree with you. You're posting here crying about the community being fragmented across servers, but at the same time you're saying that your community will never relocate to ICCup or sign onto the same B.Net gateway. If community that's being adversely affected by this is unwilling to band together and come to some sort of consensus in the face of several perfectly viable options, then most of them probably don't see it as enough of an issue to take 2 seconds of their time to manually select a specific gateway when logging on. If that's the case, then why on earth would you expect Blizzard to go out of their way to solve an issue that's not widely perceived as a real problem in the first place?

Battle.net and Brood War are fine as they are in my view. Consolidating the servers is really unnecessary because if you are unsatisfied with the population of the server you're on, you can freely switch to a more popular one with the click of a button (USWest/Asia). I think you're making a big issue out of nothing, to be honest. If it's really that much of a problem for your community, maybe you could all take 2 seconds of your day (much shorter than spamming Blizzard) to all click on USWest or something. If people aren't willing to even do that, then maybe it's not as big of an issue as you perceive it to be.

On August 31 2010 05:38 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Listen I'm going to try and be as calm and simple as possible.

Why would Blizz do this when they have gone out of their way to not let it happen with SC2.

Stop being stubborn and lazy.

On August 31 2010 04:24 GunSlinger wrote:
Brood War doesn't need saving; nor would this be the way to do it. If this actually happens you are going to have so many lag issues. Why should Koreans and Europeans who still want to play 1v1 and UMS have to deal with that? Because your community can't simply log onto the same server as each other? Sorry, but that is so counter-productive.

On August 31 2010 07:43 rich- wrote:

On what grounds does Brood war not need saving? Everyone that I've talked to on public servers think my idea is a good idea. People still play it, and it's capable of being so much more. You're just pessimistic, and it's not for any reason other than your attempt to contradict me.
Battle.net servers have absolutely NOTHING to do with lag. Once the game starts the connection goes from the client-server model to P2P, therefore there servers aren't the source of any lag and never could be. Lag occurs client side only. Lag issues only arise when you're playing with a lagger. Lets take TL's beloved iccup as an example. Lag is a minor issue, and is the result of poor client connection speeds or internet bottle necks. And it's not too much different than playing on a server that's localized to 1 region. Internet speeds have increased drastically in the last 12 years and it's completely possible for someone in north america to play with someone in korea.
Also you obviously didn't read my plan. The plan is to combine east, west and europe. Not asia.
You should refrain from speaking when you lack knowledge of what you speak of, it makes you look stupid.

In fact, it would probably benefit them more if it completely died so they no longer had to maintain servers for a game that probably doesn't bring them a decent profit margin anymore.

On August 31 2010 08:57 LegendaryZ wrote:
So essentially you're encouraging people to spam Blizzard's support department with a request to consolidate servers (something that really doesn't fall under the job of the support department) and subsequently giving the employees (who more likely than not have absolutely nothing to do with this decision) bad performance reviews that you admittedly know could potentially affect their employment or promotions just because you don't like the answer or how they handled the requiest (which also probably has little to nothing to do with the actual employee involved)? And you're doing this because you're upset that there aren't as many people on your server for a 12-year-old game as you want and you can't get other people to care enough to make a conscious decision to click on a particular server when entering the game?

You REALLY don't see why some people might find what you're promoting to be somewhat objectionable?

On August 31 2010 08:59 mutantmagnet wrote:



As small as Starcraft/Broodwar is now in terms of sales Blizzard a year ago mentioned sales for the game were very strong from whatever they originally expected for a game this old and popular. Besides the OPs proprosal actually reduces costs. If you played MMOs you would know this is why server consolidations happen.

On August 31 2010 09:09 mainerd wrote:

absolutely ridiculous, employees being laid off or denied promotions because some BGH players filled out their support forms? "hey, sorry, we gotta let you go, yup it was those BGH players support form submissions, yeah we know you followed protocol but...". total BS

some concerned customers of blizzard are contacting the company and asking an entirely fair question. i cannot fathom why people seem to be so against this. worst case scenario, blizzard says no, and maybe decides to give a reason or two. this idea may even save them money in the long run, unless they are planning to just shut down the gateways anyway.

On August 31 2010 08:34 attackfighter wrote:
US east is full of hackers and griefers, I rarely ever play a game there where someone isn't drophacked. US west is smaller but friendlier and I'd hate for the US east cancer to spill over, don't agree with rich's idea at all.

On August 30 2010 06:17 2Pacalypse- wrote:

BGH community is little weird when it comes to that question. I guess it's the same reason why most of them stayed on BW and didn't switch to SC2.
Because they're used to it and it provides them some kind of comfort?


And to all others who are replying to this thread just to get their post count up - don't.

The difference is that in an MMO, your character is usually stuck on a single server, which means that if the population of that server dwindles, you are either forced to start over again on a new server from scratch, pay to transfer your character to a more popular server (if the option is available), or play in a barren wasteland. In an Brood War, you just log out, click on a different gateway, and log in on a new realm. You can do this all without Blizzard lifting a finger and without losing anything (except for stats which nobody really cares about on B.Net anyway).

On August 31 2010 10:04 LegendaryZ wrote:
Suffice to say, while I feel that the idea itself is unnecessary...

On August 31 2010 13:41 Phyre wrote:
"Your" community seems to either be either too lazy or not care enough to fix this themselves. If this was a big deal rallying your community should have been easy. It seems to us that your community is the problem and you are asking Blizzard (in a pretty obnoxious way) to solve the problem of your weak community for you.

The current system seems to not be broke, so why fix it and risk screwing up something that appears to be keeping the remaining players perfectly content. Also, how do we know you speak for the majority of your community? For all we know, most of the BGHers are happy with the present setup and would be opposed to your idea. It doesn't seem like the OP is representative of the BGH community either, seeing as how only a small portion of the BGH community go to his site. If a large portion did, they could organize a server move themselves.