Should Buildings be Armored? - Page 13

On September 12 2010 02:19 wail wrote:


Yep.
It's quite funny because even though this game features a lot of Marauder building sniping, HD still cannot manage to catch it all. For example, at about 1:05 mark you see a Terran dropship unload near the 1 o'clock Nexus. At about 1:11 mark you can the Marauders have advanced next to the Nexus. At about 1:18 the Nexus is gone.
Meanwhile in the early part of this video Socke is attacking a CC that is flying in to the 5 o'clock position with Stalkers (and Zealots when it lands) for about 15-20 seconds and has it only down to half health before his forces there are wiped out by the main Terran army that walks over to reinforce.

On September 12 2010 03:03 Bibdy wrote:
The irony is Socke won. Warp-Gate tech allowed him to respond to each drop and despite BratOK's best efforts to drop like an absolute madman, and Socke lost lots of Nexususus, he wasn't able to overcome the destructive power of Psi Storm + Khaydarin amulet coming out of nowhere.

Are you serious or just trolling us?

The Marauder was called IMBA by almost very top-player and still is since day1 of the Beta!...

- Units had less range, so attacking Sunken Colonies was much harder with Marines than it is now with Marauders.

- There were no Units dealing double DMG or even more against Buildings, or is there a Unit in SC:BW that can snipe Buildings as effective as Reapers or Stimmed-Marauders? Cracklings, which came out on T3 were considered "building annihilators" and they are a joke compared to how fast stimmed marauders take down buildings.

- There were no Units that could hop cliffs and stuff, so static defense in front of your base actually meant that the opposing players had to penetrate this barrier before he could wreak havoc in your base. Thanks to reapers, this isn't the case anymore.

- Air-Units that weren't Tier3 had a very short air-to-ground range, so Turrets/Spore Crawlers and Cannons actually could protect your base very well. If you want to defend against Voidrays or banshees with Anti-Air Static defense, you need much more to protect your whole base. Just compare the aior-to-ground range of Wraiths, Scouts and Mutas from SC:BW with Banshees and Voidrays in SC2 - Much bigger range, except the Mutas in SC2. Now compare the range of Anti-Air structures - same range as in SC:BW - there has to be sth. wrong here!

Static defense is worth nothing in SC2 and sniping buildings is far too easy.

Nothing until T2 should do additional DMG to buildings

I think you could remove the armor damage form marauders altogether and boost their base damage to 15... getting pretty sick of all the +damage going around in sc2.. this isn't supposed to be wc4 >.<

Not really. To do a claim like that he would have to know what does it mean to do "good damage" and "bad damage". People are just sucking up to him, because he put another way of seeing things, but he didn't by any chance show how it is any more valid than marauders doing extra damage to armored and normal to light. Go read his post more carefully and you'll see how he failed to support his argument.

On September 12 2010 05:03 Half wrote:
The Marauder was called IMBA by almost very top-player and still is since day1 of the Beta!...

On September 12 2010 05:03 Half wrote:
Find me a single quote that is recent as of this patch (last beta patch/retail). Stop talking out of your ass kthx.

On September 11 2010 22:12 Kazang wrote:


Marauders don't do extra damage against armour, they do less damage against light.
The spilt damage is a disadvantage, if there were no +damage bonuses they would simply do 20per shot regardless of armour type, which is still less dps than 2 marines.
Spilt damage bonuses make units worse against a different type, not better against another.

Spilt damage bonuses make units worse against a different type, not better against another.

On September 12 2010 03:03 Bibdy wrote:


The irony is Socke won. Warp-Gate tech allowed him to respond to each drop and despite BratOK's best efforts to drop like an absolute madman, and Socke lost lots of Nexususus, he wasn't able to overcome the destructive power of Psi Storm + Khaydarin amulet coming out of nowhere.

I don't think there's any problem with Terrans doing these kinds of drops in the late-game. It makes for a really entertaining game to watch. Its how QUICKLY the Terran can start using such a deadly weapon in a match.

On September 12 2010 07:35 eth3n wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150880&currentpage=5#92
that took me about 30 seconds

TLO also mentions medivac needs to be fixed somewhere but I didn't feel like lurking through his posts...

On September 12 2010 08:42 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I suggested that the drop ability of medivacs needs to be researched , because drop right now kills Protoss in the beginning but isn't needed against Zerg in the very beginning, so it wouldn't change a lot.

The diversity of TvT would suffer a bit speaking of openings, but if you guys want to change the marauder (change in the way of a nerf) you better bring up some suggestions how to balance TvP, because its not like Terrans go Marauder + Medivac + Ghost (nearly only) because we want to abuse "imbalance" but there's simply no other stuff we can use.

Protoss with Warpgates and also Zerg with Nydus or drops are way more mobile than alternatives to Marauders which leads to Terrans playing BIO. Besides that, I think a Protoss that gets untouched to mid or even lategame will crush a Terran. You need to be so good with EMP / spotting HT / the army of Protoss while he will probably have the map split and Pylons + Cannon / Instant Warpin HT on the Xel-Naga towers which especially on LT or Xel Naga leads to massive pain in the ass for terran .. we have to rely on drops because we can't really attack without suffering massive AoE.

Also HTs can feedback + storm when you leave them at an expo (kind of like PvZ broodwar where you left 3-5 cannons and 1-2 HTs at your expansion)..
Protoss has sooo much potential mid and lategame with great AoE but right now not many players make use of it.

Terrans like BRAT_OK and DemusliM really push Terran to the maximum and abuse the early game advantage over the other races but fact is that Terran has barely any alternatives to Marauders in Mid/Late because the alternatives are way more fragile or way less mobile. Thats my opinion and you may or may not agree, but thats pretty much the opinion of lots of players I've talked to, including lots of pros.

On September 12 2010 08:34 Half wrote:
I hope you can figure the rest out sir.