Question for atheist - Page 10

On May 31 2004 10:33 Keanu_Reaver wrote:


now you're putting words in my mouth

i've never said anything about the universe not having any other life have i? show me where i did

On May 31 2004 10:35 BigBalls wrote:



haha, its a movie quote, men in black. it was in response to someone else, not you.

On May 31 2004 10:39 I_are_n00b wrote:
I was reading this thread and I wanted to post some of the things that Keanu just posted. Why is it that you people always think inside the box that you live in and then try to use your information about the box to try and prove the box's origin? Why does God have to live inside a time and space (and everything else)? The very concept of time and space, the very definition, is something a creator would have created. The things you study are the rules that a creator would create. Infinite doesn't begin or end, it's infinite on both ends. Why would God have to be created?

If the starcraft computer AI gained conciousness, it would know the rules as to gather minerals, not let your base get destroyed, etc... Even if it knew everything about the game; even if he knew how the game starts with a load screen, it would not know anything about the world outside of starcraft or how starcraft was created. This is a poor analogy, but this is teamliquid forums.

Christianity has nothing to do with any of the rituals you mention. Christianity has no rituals and the only thing it asks is that to believe you are faultless (that Jesus has already died for you). How can you relate that with why people suffer or the wars in history?

I was not born a Christian, in fact I was born in a communist country. I go to a church that is just three office buildings (originally one), no fancy church architecture or anything. We don't have a pastor (brother offer to speak, or we'd have guest speakers), nobody gets paid, there is no collection plate and in fact the offering box is well unnoticeable.

Speaking about probability, the probability of something doesn't change if you've done it more than once. When you flip a coin and it is heads, it doesn't mean it is any less likely to be heads on the next flip. This only happens if you predict that two heads will land right after each other which is when two probabilities are mutliplied with each other. Think about entropy, why doesn't objects just leave towards one direct? The probability of atoms at some moment all moving in same direction is much greater than life being created, or the universe from nothing (since we're speaking about rules within the box).

On May 30 2004 22:13 AeroGx wrote:
I can understand how some people can only trust science... As if we aren't lied to enough practically every day?
but ive done the research looked at the interviews and to be frank the odds of Creation without a Creator* (sorry for the typo) as we know it today are 1 to 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Mathemations regards anything over 1 to 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to be an impossiblity.

Jace

On May 31 2004 10:39 I_are_n00b wrote:
I was reading this thread and I wanted to post some of the things that Keanu just posted. Why is it that you people always think inside the box that you live in and then try to use your information about the box to try and prove the box's origin? Why does God have to live inside a time and space (and everything else)? The very concept of time and space, the very definition, is something a creator would have created. The things you study are the rules that a creator would create. Infinite doesn't begin or end, it's infinite on both ends. Why would God have to be created?

If the starcraft computer AI gained conciousness, it would know the rules as to gather minerals, not let your base get destroyed, etc... Even if it knew everything about the game; even if he knew how the game starts with a load screen, it would not know anything about the world outside of starcraft or how starcraft was created. This is a poor analogy, but this is teamliquid forums.

Christianity has nothing to do with any of the rituals you mention. Christianity has no rituals and the only thing it asks is that to believe you are faultless (that Jesus has already died for you). How can you relate that with why people suffer or the wars in history?

I was not born a Christian, in fact I was born in a communist country. I go to a church that is just three office buildings (originally one), no fancy church architecture or anything. We don't have a pastor (brother offer to speak, or we'd have guest speakers), nobody gets paid, there is no collection plate and in fact the offering box is well unnoticeable.

Speaking about probability, the probability of something doesn't change if you've done it more than once. When you flip a coin and it is heads, it doesn't mean it is any less likely to be heads on the next flip. This only happens if you predict that two heads will land right after each other which is when two probabilities are mutliplied with each other. Think about entropy, why doesn't objects just leave towards one direction? The probability of atoms at some moment all moving in same direction is much greater than life being created, or the universe from nothing (since we're speaking about rules within the box).

On May 31 2004 09:21 Keanu_Reaver wrote:


you dont understand at all the nature of that number in the first post, infact im not sure if you even understand simple math

On May 31 2004 10:36 Keanu_Reaver wrote:


then why would you quote it to me? you were clearly making this post to me by addressing me saying your use of double standards are sickening, what the hell?

On May 31 2004 11:06 Liquid`Spy wrote:


You're right about not knowing anything about what's outside the box. But all that's inside this so to speak 'box' of yours is all that is important to a person, and all he will ever have anything to do with in his life (if it wasn't the definition of this 'box' wouldn't be right). So why speculate about what's outside? for it must be something we cannot possibly begin to imagine. Why state there is a something called a creator, or God, while we have absolutely no clue?

I know I can depend on the laws of physics in the world I live in because they're proven and I know it's real. But how could I ever dedicate my life to something that is highly speculative and not logical in any way, like the existence of a God? There are just too many explanations for why it's convenient for people to make up a 'God' character, and the proves of it's existence are none.

On May 31 2004 09:32 Keanu_Reaver wrote:

...atheism is a 100 year old fad, practically every man before then that has contributed to progression has had a religion, whether that religion was christianity or not doesn't matter

On May 31 2004 11:25 I_are_n00b wrote:
Okay, this is how I'd defend those people that use faith as a weapon. After taking a leap of faith with an open mind, they experience God which develops faith. Others might have superior logic with people and out-argue them, but they have already experienced things. However, faith and trust in evolution is the same thing. If I go and argue with a slow person out on the streets and out argue them, most would still not believe.

Faith goes both ways, it doesn't only have to deal with religion.