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I would agree that zvt is the hardest(I'm speaking from the z perspective because the 'z' is before the 't' [please take note of this distinction those new the forums]), but im also curious how you would define 'hardest'.
How can a mirror match be harder than when you have to deal with racial imbalances?
I think it ultimately comes down to personal preference; are you confident that your mechanics and game sense are strong enough to overcome someone doing the same actions as you...no? Then you likely find mirror match-ups more difficult.
Where as you dont have rely as strongly on being the out and out better player when fighting vs another race, because you can rely on racial imbalance(its not a bad thing; everyone does it).
Just remember that there have always been, and will always be, racial imbalance threads. Nerds of all shapes and sizes raging and crying about how a certain unit needs to be nerfed or buffed. The saving grace is that we can always look forward to inc barging in and turning the entire thread into a rofl-fest.
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United States47024 Posts
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It took 80+ votes to get 1 vote for TvZ/PvZ. T_T poor Zergies.
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On August 01 2010 14:56 cive wrote:No doubt in anyone's mind that Z has it the hardest. LoL like mentioned T can do anything he wants and it will work. PvT on the other hand, I really think there are harder matchups. T really only has 1/1/1 that is so threatening. I really think this match up will get better as time goes on and people start accepting that Protoss just needs to expand a bit faster, and void ray is not answer to everything.
PvT wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't for the fact that the race with the best ground fighting units also gets a potentially game-winning harass option with each tech structure they add (see: reaper rushes, hellion runbys, banshee attacks, MMM drops, or even Raven autoturret/pdd harassment)
It's sort of ridiculous that the best harassment options all go to the race that also has ground dominance and major defensive-advantage options available, in addition to a macro mechanic that makes staying on 2 base more viable than it would be for other races.
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On August 01 2010 14:42 Leeoku wrote:
imo zvt and zvp
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LOL I like how the hardest matchups are all vT and the easiest matchups are all vZ. As much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree with that - I hate going up against Terran as any race.
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I absolutely hate PvP. I find that until Blizz does something about fixing that all-in 4 warp gate zealot cheese the match up will suffer. Even if it doesn't come to that its just a colossus battle. You could say it was similar in Brood War with reavers, but reavers and more fun than colossi. On a side note, I find PvT very difficult because you have to rax units are so much more powerful than gateway units until you get High Templar out (I don't like Colossi because they are beat by vikings and are hard to reinforce).
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On August 01 2010 14:56 cive wrote:No doubt in anyone's mind that Z has it the hardest. LoL like mentioned T can do anything he wants and it will work. PvT on the other hand, I really think there are harder matchups. T really only has 1/1/1 that is so threatening. I really think this match up will get better as time goes on and people start accepting that Protoss just needs to expand a bit faster, and void ray is not answer to everything.
I've never found 1/1/1 that threatening. It's the bio balls + medivacs that are freaking crazy strong and the cloaked guardians.
ZvP isn't that bad once you've discovered ultralisks.
I can't say that zvz is hard it's just stupid. Throwing banelings at each other doesn't take much skill. You just have to learn how to click individual zerglings to sacrifice and not let banes in your mineral line.
On August 01 2010 15:09 thezergk wrote:
I absolutely hate PvP. I find that until Blizz does something about fixing that all-in 4 warp gate zealot cheese the match up will suffer. Even if it doesn't come to that its just a colossus battle. You could say it was similar in Brood War with reavers, but reavers and more fun than colossi. On a side note, I find PvT very difficult because you have to rax units are so much more powerful than gateway units until you get High Templar out (I don't like Colossi because they are beat by vikings and are hard to reinforce).
These are exactly the reasons I quit protoss. All-in or colossus spam in PvP. In brood war you could transition to high templar since reavers were slow and shuttle could be efficiently sniped using storm. Also DT openers were actually a viable opening since high templar storms was down the same tech path (for discussion on that read through TT1's thread).
PvT versus bio is more frustrating to me then zvt mech.
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wow, i'm the first out of 118 to choose PvZ.
one base zergs i can deal with.
but i can't ever beat an expanding zerg.
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On August 01 2010 15:06 Saracen wrote:
It took 80+ votes to get 1 vote for TvZ/PvZ. T_T poor Zergies.
oh and I think it was me... but... was not favoring Zerg... just taught that it was the hardest for Zerg... =X so scratch this vote 
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PvT for sure man. EMP destroys protoss as well as the rax units which are much better than gateway units when massed.
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United States22883 Posts
These "What do you think?" threads do not work on TL. Especially this one where everyone will start bitching about imba. Plus there's already a thread similar to this if you search.
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