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myaccountmessup
Canada396 Posts
I've seen many replays of Zerg on LT. (Z v T) And I'm wondering when to use one of this strategy. I've heard that u gotta do diffent build in different position (12,3,6,9) so when should i go for: 9 drones then expand @ natural 11 drones then expand @ natural 12 drones then expand @ natural and which way do u guys prefer over each other. for me I like doing 12 drones then expand @ natural, then spawning pool. | ||
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
but for farther positions, id suggest 11hat 10 pool because bunker rush >12 hat so i dont particularly use that build as often as i used to but then once your lair is up and ready to go you can do a lot of things that can happen depending on what you do and what your opponent does | ||
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Mydnyte
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mmm.beer
Canada412 Posts
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longer_23
China299 Posts
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JoeUser
United States684 Posts
ZvP: -12 hatch @ ramp -11 pool. I think expanding to natural is just a bit to weak to zeal rushes. But if you REALLY want to I would: -11 hatch @ natural -10 pool ZvZ: -12 hatch @ main -11 pool. This works very well. It is fast enough to fend off 9 pools, and keeps your base nice and compact so it isn't vunerable to mutua harrass later in the game. If you are worried about a 7 pool, I would: -9 pool -10 hatch ( w/ extractor pop) ZvT: -13 hatch @ natural -12 pool. As long as you watch for bunker rushes, this build gives you a heavy eco and allows for more gas later game. | ||
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myaccountmessup
Canada396 Posts
On May 16 2004 19:44 JoeUser wrote: These are my favorite builds on LT: ZvZ: -12 hatch @ main -11 pool. This works very well. It is fast enough to fend off 9 pools, and keeps your base nice and compact so it isn't vunerable to mutua harrass later in the game. If you are worried about a 7 pool, I would: -9 pool -10 hatch ( w/ extractor pop) I used to do the 12 pool thing.. but the game would turn gay.. if my enemy just fast expand.. then i wont b able to rush him and he will out number me | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
if ur at 12, ur lord cant see if they are at 3 before u decide to make a lord or not, and u cant protect ur expo without hatching bottom of ur ramp, so u basically lord, then, if u see terran at 3, u pool and gas right away and try to ling lurker as hard as u can and play it from there. at 3 u can see if they are building near their ramp or scouting first, and you can take your expo with ur hatch, as long as you finish an extractor there before the hatch to expand the creep. the other spots u can just put the hatch there and ur fine. 12 hatch 11 pool is the standard but it's vulnerable to some rushes and shit depending on the spots, thats what u gotta figure out. if you get owned by a cheese u have to figure out what u wanna do and which spots it applies to. basically making ur hatch there a little sooner will let the creep be there sooner which means u can get a colony there sooner. if you try to pool first instead u have to make 6 lings at once and then probably 2 more because your expo hatch wont hvae creep in time so no sunken, u are forced to make a lot of lings and it really doesnt hurt the terran at all. u probably should never need to do this on temple except 12/3 3/12. so, besides those points, u need to drone scout at a good time and use ur lords wisely that way u always see if an scv is going to scout you or not. u get 1 sunken unless ur pretty sure they arent making any rines or whtaever which is like impossible most likely. if ur scouting with a drone early like 8 or 9 you can take their gas and at least see if their gas is early, which means they are going to have less rines cuz they are prolly going faster aca or fac before aca. i think the key is that u get a sunken started asap and u have a drone scout/lords in good position to rule out the bs, and then ur goal is basically to get as much money as possible. the reason 1 sunk is so worth it is because it only costs u one larva whereas the proper amount of lings, while maybe less minerals, cost many larvas, which means way less drones at this point. oh yeah, and also u need to react right if your scout sees anything. if an scv is coming you better be killing it with 5-6 drones and if you cant, you better be killing tghat first marine that's rallied behind him, and then the next, and the next. if you think your sunken is gonna die then start 2 instead of 1 to fend off a bunker (if it comes to that). cuz once you stop whatever pressure they tried, u are still gonna be pumping out the drones and getting a fast lair regardless so u can pressure them with muta or lurk and then take another expo and try to get big while keeping them as small as u can. | ||
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Chobohobo
United States945 Posts
*edit* Or if you want to be a bad mother fucker make a few more drones before putting up a pool =P | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
In zvt I use 12 hatch exp 11 pool, but I scout when my 9th drone is completed, so I can see soon enough if he bunkerrushes. I can take necessary requirements then. In 12/3 ZvT when I'm on 3, I do 11 hatch 10 pool. If he tries bunkerring, he'll fail if you use your drones well. If I'm on 12 I mostly 9 pool, and do a 3 hatch build after. If he's on 3, 9 pool can win you the game if you manage to hide your lord, and it's safe too if you don't waste your lings when you see you can't do damage. | ||
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Mydnyte
3306 Posts
 myaccountmessup just 4 pool, it's a guaranteed win. | ||
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Chobohobo
United States945 Posts
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Mydnyte
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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JoeUser
United States684 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
9 pool variations is good on wgt coz a lot of terrans there can only cheese and nothing else. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
4 pool, make 2 drones, then lings -> gets 6-8 lings fast 4 pool, make 1 drone, then lings -> gets 10 lings faster 4 pool, no more drones, then lings -> gets 12 lings faster 4 pool, 1 drone, 1 overlord, then lings -> gets 14-22 lings faster beyond that, a hatch first (7 or 8) build is better lings. problem with these builds: once opponent knows ur doing it, he can be conservative and ur screwed cuz not enough eco or gas, unless u hurt him way more than u should be able to. u cant afford to drone scout with these builds either. they suck. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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sperix
Germany243 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
it's a slippery slope. if u want to give up 4 secs for more minerals, why not 5? 6? 7? if ur doing a rush, how fast do u need it to be? that's the first question. ive seen plenty of times where a 4 pool gets in and a 5 doesn't. but of course, they both suck, i know, i know. cuz like.. getting there 8 seconds before their zealot comes out is a lot diff than getting there 4 sec before it comes out. | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
On May 16 2004 19:24 longer_23 wrote: i think it's risky to do an early expansion at 12o'clock. hard to place the sunkens. yes, doing the impossible is pretty hard | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On May 17 2004 11:20 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: yah, i 9 pool every game because last season i got bunker rushed like 8 zvt's in a row -_-what twisted said. 9 pool variations is good on wgt coz a lot of terrans there can only cheese and nothing else. | ||
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Hoops
417 Posts
I like 6 pool at 3 vs tos at 12. Kill that pylon and run around his base like a mad man harrassing him. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On May 17 2004 23:17 Hoops wrote: If you use well all of your drones to stop a bunker rush, has the terran gotten a huge advantage, assuming no more than 2 drones die? Cause I always feel like "hey I just killed 2-3 scv 2 marines and a bunker I should be ahead" and then I die later against people I didn't feel were much better than me if at all. I like 6 pool at 3 vs tos at 12. Kill that pylon and run around his base like a mad man harrassing him. t has more scvs than you have drones so he lose less econ  | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
actually, post a rep of what u mean (u stop a bunker but feel like ur too behind) and im sure ull get good advices? | ||
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Jim
Sweden1965 Posts
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myaccountmessup
Canada396 Posts
On May 17 2004 13:57 sperix wrote: i like to wait till i get 150 minerals then i build three drones , then i cancel one then i wait till the next two are almost done and cancel another one , then i kill the newly build drone with my other four and build a pool , this build will win u any game. lol that's got me to laugh. | ||
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Lithuania2 Posts
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