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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
I love how denominational churches think they have it right after 400. On versions of the Bible that have been changed/edited. (: Drone/Meat, tell me, is there a difference between accidentally (in some way out of your control) spilling a drink that wasn't meant for you and intentionally spilling it? | ||
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Meat
Netherlands3751 Posts
On March 07 2004 09:11 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Drone/Meat, tell me, is there a difference between accidentally (in some way out of your control) spilling a drink that wasn't meant for you and intentionally spilling it? When you accidently spill it you are just clunsy and wasting, when you intentionally spill it but have lots of fun with it, then it had a purpose so it's good. The drink wont be used anyway since you dont have somebody to drink it, because you have to get marrierd first. | ||
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TigG
Spain369 Posts
 Anyway, masterbating or not is something harmless, since it's a thing it only affects you. The problem comes when you people deny/take rights away from gays or whatever because of your thoughts about how the human being must or must not be. | ||
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Meat
Netherlands3751 Posts
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
Nice logic, I like that. | ||
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badteeth
Netherlands1416 Posts
On March 07 2004 09:11 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Actually, you see, the Catholic Church has been studying the Bible (and all the writings and such) for some 1700 years. I love how denominational churches think they have it right after 400. On versions of the Bible that have been changed/edited. (: Drone/Meat, tell me, is there a difference between accidentally (in some way out of your control) spilling a drink that wasn't meant for you and intentionally spilling it? Every church to this day has been a denominational church. Every generation is different than the last one, every meaning chanegs over time. You're arrogant enought to think you know wich faith is exactly right? Or are you even in a position to judge wich position is "more" right? You're parents are not talking to god, your bible is written by mere humans, your church doesn't have a hotline to heaven. Believing in god is fine as far as i'm concerned. But when you think your point of view is the only right one, and you're actively forcing your views upon other through unconstitutional laws, that's when you're taking it a step to far. Also the validity of an arguement is never measured in time. You can be wrong for centuries, you know.. | ||
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Meat
Netherlands3751 Posts
On March 07 2004 09:45 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Meat, by your rationale, accidentally killing someone is clumsy and wasteful, but killing them for fun has a purpose, so its good. Nice logic, I like that. i didnt know you were sick like that, that it even comes up in your mind to compare spilling drinks with killing. I feel really sorry for you now. | ||
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badteeth
Netherlands1416 Posts
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TigG
Spain369 Posts
Spilling YOUR drink in order to have fun will make you laugh. By killing someone BESIDES YOU, rather accidentally or with a porpouse, you take someone's right to live. I hope you see the difference. And if you don't, then be worried about it. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
On March 07 2004 07:42 Liquid`Drone wrote: yeah that's also a good point. although I've never gone that long without masturbating so I wouldn't know. I guess spilling it while receiving pleasure is worse than spilling it without getting any satisfaction. well there you have it, god must prefer you fuck goats or other offensive things instead of being celebate. the point is, if you're going to sin, which they always say everyone will do anyways, you should make it less wasteful. the bible teaches unselfishness somewhere, right? well if you could trade your soul in exchange for saving many others, that would be very unselfish, right? if you murder people, maybe you're damned, or you risk damnation at least. if you murder someone whose soul is pure, they will not get a chance to sin. you've effectively given up your soul to guarantee theirs. therefore, mass murderers are great people. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
This isn't about offending god. People believe that homosexuality is a cause to have our rights *taken away* from us. Christians/bible-thumpers need to back the fuck off. They can't stand homosexuals, we offend them some how. So it's even. i can't fucking stand rleigious people and their hate-preaching dogma. The difference between us is that i don't demand that their rights be taken away from them. My lifestyle is about love, theirs is about hate - yet *im* the one who is persecuted. Fuck Christianity. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On March 07 2004 15:15 Teroru wrote: the real world, and real life, and law, have nothing to do with religion. This isn't about offending god. People believe that homosexuality is a cause to have our rights *taken away* from us. You're confusing rights with privileges. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
That is NOT a privaledge. The union of 2 people has NO basis in Religion. I know because i have a union with another person. Your filthy religion is just power-hungry and wants to take marriage under its wing. (i mean, as u said, marriage existed long before christianity). I won't hold your ignorance against u. You can only go as far as your cult permits you to. edit - i realize my lack of 'keeping it cool'. I apologize. | ||
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Bill and Bill
United States167 Posts
On March 07 2004 15:25 Teroru wrote: Man has the right to have children. That is NOT a privaledge. The union of 2 people has NO basis in Religion. I know because i have a union with another person. Your filthy religion is just power-hungry and wants to take marriage under its wing. (i mean, as u said, marriage existed long before christianity). I won't hold your ignorance against u. You can only go as far as your cult permits you to. edit - i realize my lack of 'keeping it cool'. I apologize. Adopting a child is not a right, if that's what we are talking about. | ||
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Meat
Netherlands3751 Posts
Many of us grew up believing that everyone needs a mother and father, regardless of whether we ourselves happened to have two parents, or two good parents. But as families have grown more diverse in recent decades, and researchers have studied how these different family relationships affect children, it has become clear that the quality of a family’s relationship is more important than the particular structure of families that exist today. In other words, the qualities that help a child grow into a good and responsible adult – learning how to learn, to have compassion for others, to contribute to society and be respectful of others and their differences – do not depend on the sexual orientation of their parents but on their parents’ ability to provide a loving, stable and happy home, something no class of Americans has an exclusive hold on. That is why research studies have consistently shown that children raised by gay and lesbian parents do just as well on all conventional measures of child development, such as academic achievement, psychological well-being and social abilities, as children raised by heterosexual parents. That is also why the nation’s leading child welfare organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Family Physicians and others [see box], have issued statements that dismiss assertions that only heterosexual couples can be good parents - - and declare that the focus should now be on providing greater protections for the 1 million to 9 million children being raised by gay and lesbian parents in the United States today. Granting same-sex couples the right to marry, therefore, would enable the millions of same-sex parents raising children today to give their children what every child deserves – the safest, most secure environment possible, with all the legal protections that our country has put in place. Organizations that Support Same-Sex Parenting: American Academy of Pediatrics American Academy of Family Physicians Child Welfare League of America National Association of Social Workers National Council on Adoptable Children American Bar Association American Psychological Association American Psychiatric Association American Psychoanalytic Association Source: http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=Center&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=16405 | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
You said you would raise your child with whomever you have it with. Yet you also said you don't believe in monogamy, and do not plan on having a long term sexual partner. All of this in a thread about marriage. So you're saying you want lots of short term marriages with as many sexual partners as you crave, while you and some woman raise a child together, without any sort of sexual act between you (aside from the impregnation)... That is the most selfish lifestyle of which I have ever heard. Bravo. You people all say I preach hate and discrimination. I say you're all silly relativists. I don't hate any of you, nor am I being discriminatory. Man oh man has that word been so abused and blown out of proportion. Do you even know what the definition is? "Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit" I don't treat all homosexuals the same way. In fact, one of the people I most admire is a homosexual man who has chosen to live a celibate life. You see, I don't see homosexuality as wrong, thats out of your control. I see the homosexual act as wrong, which is not. I judge everyone on their individual merit. So stop labeling me things I'm not. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Meat
Netherlands3751 Posts
On March 07 2004 16:00 TeCh)PsylO wrote: i have already said this, but maybe i should again. in many places, gay couples can ALREADY ADOPT, so why is this an issue when it comes to marriege? yes i dont understand that either.. they dont want it recognized by the church but by the law, so imo anything that comes from the bible is irrelevant in this discussion. Second time marriages are also not allowed by the church, but it is by law and this should be too. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On March 07 2004 16:04 Liquid`Meat wrote: yes i dont understand that either.. they dont want it recognized by the church but by the law, so imo anything that comes from the bible is irrelevant in this discussion. Second time marriages are also not allowed by the church, but it is by law and this should be too. It's not irrelevant at all. The issue of adoption isn't really an issue at all. If they want to adopt then so be it. However what you must realize is that marriage has religious roots, and there are also civil unions which, by government standards, are exactly the same. So why do gay couples want to get married (which is religious) when religion condemns homosexuality? That is the real question. They could always go for a civil union but that is apparently not good enough (even though it's the same thing). By the way, according to the Bible, second marriages are allowed if one partner was unfaithful. Otherwise the previous marriage cannot be cancelled and it is a sin. And for you guys who say I'm getting all preachy, look - this is not preaching. I haven't said one pro-religious thing. I am merely citing history. I do happen to consider myself religious but I use that term loosely because I don't actively practice. However I do know my history, and that is relevant to this discussion. Nevertheless, you treat me like a religious zealot when all I do is cite historical circumstances of note in the Bible, and the position of the anti-gay marriage community. You must understand that what I am saying is FAR from preaching. | ||
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