Gay Marriage has come to Portland - Page 10

On March 05 2004 16:30 Element)LoGiC wrote:
Well, I can honestly say I have a newly found respect for Teroru.

On March 05 2004 16:13 Teroru wrote:
Saying what 'could' happen is not a reason to restrict the rights of all gays.

The only icon i can use is myself. You are condemning my right to have children based on the *possibility* that other homosexuals might be bad parents.

That is wrong .

You do not need a license to be a parent. That is a right. You are refusing that right to homosexuals because they are homosexual. Ones sexuality has no bearing on whether they are a good parent or not, and should not be considered as such.

Quite frankly, if my child has to deal with a bit of teasing because his parents are homosexual, so be it. Its just teasing. The benefits i can reward my child with are worth that teasing. And the teasing of my child is a very poor excuse to forbid me from having him in the first place.

Short people should not be allowed to have kids, for if they pass on that gene, their kids will be teased. No race should ever commit to a relationships where offspring will come, because their kids will have to deal with being teased. Infact, black people in general should just not be allowed to have children, because there are racist white people out there.

Dont you people get it? Your removing the problem by hurting the people who have all ready been hurt. I do not deserve the right of children being taken away from me. My child does not deserve to be teased. The only alternative, and the *best* alternative, is to educate the public. Explain to them what sexuality is, and why it should not be shunned, hated, or feared. To say that that goal is impossible and that the only solution is to go on punishing the innocent is *WRONG*.

Why don't u people get that?

On March 05 2004 16:41 Teroru wrote:
my kid will not wear a stamp on his head saying 'MY PARENTS ARE FAGS!'. *snip*

On March 05 2004 16:52 Tolstoy wrote:
Teroru -- where do you live in Canada?

On March 05 2004 17:03 Element)FrEaK wrote:
If his child is 'mentally abused' because he gets teased a little, that would be the fault of taylor(my guess of your name, teroru being japanese for taylor...). A good environment, which it sounds like Taylor can quite easily provide, will make the kid strong emotionally, and if you are strong emotionally, no amount of teasing will take you to the breaking point. I have endured far more than what the normal bullied child gets from bullying and what not, because I am different from alot of people, no I am not gay, but I was very different and therefor stuck out. I went through alot of abuse at school but due to my raising and the environment I grew up in, I became very strong mentally and emotionally and the insults didn't bother me, I was proud of the thing's they would make fun of(quite often the fact I was goth) and there wasn't a damn thing they could do to change that fact.

I picture Taylor's child being the exact same. If and when the children at school learn that his father is a homosexual, they will tease, it is inevitable, the world is full of assholes; however, I stongly believe that with Taylor's beliefs, love and compassion, his son will be a strong child and will go through the teasing day by day and learn to survive it as it will die down when people find no point to it. His son will be teased, just like somebody will be teased for being tall, smart, short, overweight, skinny, or different from the "norm" in any way, shape or form, it is Taylor's job to make sure that he has taught his son to be strong and learn to survive the teasing.

Taylor, I believe you are fully capable of teaching a boy such traits. Your son, if and when you decide to adopt, will be a strong individual because you are obvious a person who is capable of bestowing somebody with such a trait. Your love and compassion seems to lack any limits of any sort, and that will go farther than any female figure will. If you decide to have children, you'd have my full support to do so and any help I could provide, and my heart truly goes out to somebody such as yourself. You are a strong individual who must deal with the twisted ignorance of the world, and for that, my heart aches. You will always have the love and support of people like myself, if you have nothing else.

FrEaK

On March 05 2004 17:21 DV8 wrote:
It's not simple teasing, just look at teased a short, fat, geeky kid would get teased and they are not far from the norm, Now look at all the Anti gay people and how far they take it, that is what should be taken into consideration. Now it may sound as if you're giving into fear, but the life you are gambling with is not your own in this case. Secondly having a child can be a right if you conceive that child a privilege if you adopt it.

On March 05 2004 17:31 Teroru wrote:


I'm not positive that i am going to have a kid. I believe that i spend too much time caught up in my own world and problems to be able to help another soul with theirs. However, i AM only 18, and hope that 1 day, life wont be so confusing.

You seem to miss the whole concept of the arguement. It's about homosexuals having children. It's not about adoption vs conception. Either we're entitled to children, or we're not.

You did not respond to my examples. If you are going to restrict my rights in having children, do you also believe that restricting blacks, fat, and short people from having children is also ok? Assuming that you're going to say no (if u dont say no, i consider your opinion moot) can you tell me how this is any different from homosexuals?

edit - and i plan to have a women ensemenated with my semen. I will not adopt. Which again makes ur point of 'adoption vs conception' moot.

On March 05 2004 16:41 Teroru wrote:
my kid will not wear a stamp on his head saying 'MY PARENTS ARE FAGS!'.

On March 05 2004 18:12 DV8 wrote:

Actually I did address your examples, the severity of hatred for gays in our society is what has me concerned, You don't get teased the same way for being gay as you would for being geeky you get bashed. That is my problem right now. The problem lies within society, but at the same time I don't think it would be necessary to put a child in that enviroment until things change for the better. Maybe a few generations down the road things will be better and there won't be this kind of controversy, it's not fair but that is just how things are.

On March 05 2004 18:36 Teroru wrote:
fine. my kid will be homeschooled.

your arguement is now null and void.

gg.