is there an artosis vs louder showmatch in the evening EST?
I also heard that you can't connect across continents. How is the showmatch supposed to happen?
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mishimaBeef
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is there an artosis vs louder showmatch in the evening EST? I also heard that you can't connect across continents. How is the showmatch supposed to happen? | ||
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just because artosis is living in korea doesn't mean he's forced to be in the asian beta. | ||
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On February 28 2010 04:53 blade55555 wrote: But aren't they restricted to the servers I heard you can't switch? Yes, and Artosis is on the same server as Louder ![]() | ||
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On February 28 2010 04:55 FrozenArbiter wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 04:53 blade55555 wrote: But aren't they restricted to the servers I heard you can't switch? Yes, and Artosis is on the same server as Louder ![]() Ah all right I wndered ![]() | ||
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On February 28 2010 05:07 thing_one wrote: It isn't on the schedule; does that mean it is not happening? No, it probably just means we haven't added it (assuming you mean the "Upcoming events" list on the right) - it's primarily for Korean+TL events at the moment. I've no idea if there's going to be a stream tho - maybe Louder/Artosis/Day[9] will be able to give more info? (although Artosis is casting TSL right now ![]() | ||
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Thanks for the info ![]() (and yes, I meant the "upcoming events" list) | ||
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On February 28 2010 05:34 Jyvblamo wrote: Artosis didn't mention his showmatch at the end of the TSL broadcast. Maybe it's not happening? :x hopefully he sees this thread and tells us what's up | ||
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On February 28 2010 05:40 Artosis wrote: its in 6 hours Hahah thanks for the info, go get some sleep, is 5:40 AM there! TSL cast was funny btw =) | ||
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" ok, had a great rest today! about practice for my sc2 match vs louder, then rest for TSL 3rd/4th place match 2nite. DO NOT MISS!" Edit: Guess Artosis answered when I typed this, my bad. | ||
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Poll: Artosis vs Louder (Vote): Artosis (Vote): Louder | ||
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On February 28 2010 05:46 WiljushkA wrote: is it gonna be recorded for us EU tz guys? ![]() pf, louder vs artosis > sleep It's sunday tomorrow anyway :p If we will have someone commentating on the match: Who will be commentating? *hopes for tasteless* | ||
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On February 28 2010 05:40 Artosis wrote: its in 6 hours you have an impressive sleep schedule, man | ||
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On February 28 2010 05:55 FictionJV wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 05:46 WiljushkA wrote: is it gonna be recorded for us EU tz guys? ![]() pf, louder vs artosis > sleep It's sunday tomorrow anyway :p If we will have someone commentating on the match: Who will be commentating? *hopes for tasteless* Pretty sure Day[9] already said he would be commentating for this one | ||
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On February 28 2010 06:14 G4MR wrote: Can someone post an exact time? Around 10pm EST today | ||
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On February 28 2010 06:15 HazMat wrote: Around 10pm EST today Thank you very much good sir. The forum time and my time is very very confusing. | ||
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Day[9] will be casting this tonight along with myself. We'll be shooting for a 7 p.m. PST (9 p.m. CST) recording time. It will be a best-of-5 series and shouldn't take longer then two hours. If there aren't any big edits then we will begin uploading them to YouTube immediately. Map rotation for tonight is Lost Temple > Steppes of War > Desert Oasis > Kulas Ravine > Scrap Station. I'm pretty sure we will post a more official post on TL.net after we're done recording tonight so look for that. Looking forward to it! | ||
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On February 28 2010 06:37 itmeJP wrote: The showmatch between EG.Louder and Artosis will be posted tonight in parts on YouTube on the MLG Channel. Because it is MLG's first recording with Starcraft, we will not be streaming this live so if there are any hiccups we can edit them. Future events, however, will be streamed live. Day[9] will be casting this tonight along with myself. We'll be shooting for a 7 p.m. PST (9 p.m. CST) recording time. It will be a best-of-5 series and shouldn't take longer then two hours. If there aren't any big edits then we will begin uploading them to YouTube immediately. Map rotation for tonight is Lost Temple > Steppes of War > Desert Oasis > Kulas Ravine > Scrap Station. I'm pretty sure we will post a more official post on TL.net after we're done recording tonight so look for that. Looking forward to it! cool beans. looking forward to this ![]() | ||
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On February 28 2010 06:37 itmeJP wrote: The showmatch between EG.Louder and Artosis will be posted tonight in parts on YouTube on the MLG Channel. Because it is MLG's first recording with Starcraft, we will not be streaming this live so if there are any hiccups we can edit them. Future events, however, will be streamed live. Day[9] will be casting this tonight along with myself. We'll be shooting for a 7 p.m. PST (9 p.m. CST) recording time. It will be a best-of-5 series and shouldn't take longer then two hours. If there aren't any big edits then we will begin uploading them to YouTube immediately. Map rotation for tonight is Lost Temple > Steppes of War > Desert Oasis > Kulas Ravine > Scrap Station. I'm pretty sure we will post a more official post on TL.net after we're done recording tonight so look for that. Looking forward to it! Holyshit, is that Mr JP McDaniel? Making the swap from WoW to SC2 with a nice position with MLG? Good luck to you sir. Unless you're a different JP. Then good luck anyway. | ||
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On February 28 2010 06:37 itmeJP wrote: + Show Spoiler + The showmatch between EG.Louder and Artosis will be posted tonight in parts on YouTube on the MLG Channel. Because it is MLG's first recording with Starcraft, we will not be streaming this live so if there are any hiccups we can edit them. Future events, however, will be streamed live. Day[9] will be casting this tonight along with myself. We'll be shooting for a 7 p.m. PST (9 p.m. CST) recording time. It will be a best-of-5 series and shouldn't take longer then two hours. If there aren't any big edits then we will begin uploading them to YouTube immediately. Map rotation for tonight is Lost Temple > Steppes of War > Desert Oasis > Kulas Ravine > Scrap Station. I'm pretty sure we will post a more official post on TL.net after we're done recording tonight so look for that. Looking forward to it! Thanks for the update man. | ||
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On February 28 2010 11:54 N3rV[Green] wrote: So if the match starts...right around soonish....and it was said to probably take around a time between 1 and 2 hours, when do people think the vods will be up for the masses? my guess is matches go until 12 EST, vods up around 1-2 am On February 28 2010 11:56 baeracaed wrote: Anybody know if Day[9] is streaming this or just commentating for the VOD? he's only commentating for vod | ||
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On February 28 2010 11:56 baeracaed wrote: Anybody know if Day[9] is streaming this or just commentating for the VOD? I'm guessing just vods. This is the first match MLG has done for Sc2 so they probably want to get views on their youtube channel. | ||
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On February 28 2010 12:10 RyanS wrote: I wish they would have done some sort of stream so we could show MLG the type of following we have. I'm sure there'll be plenty of opportunity for that in the future. In the mean time, we can show our strong following by getting a high view count on their VODs. | ||
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On February 28 2010 12:50 Elec wrote: Ne news on this? They're playing now. | ||
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My name is JP McDaniel and I was co-casting with Day[9]. Don't hate me because I'm affiliated with the World of Warcraft scene! I would LOVE any feedback you guys can give me on anything about the VOD. I work directly with the producer / editor / director for the show and can implement (good) changes. Sorry for the match not being live we just wanted to make sure everything went well and use this as a test before we start pushing content out live. Races were... + Show Spoiler + Artosis, Zerg, and Louder, Protoss Thanks for all the interest and hopefully you guys like the video! Day[9] will make a post once all the VODs have been uploaded. | ||
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On February 28 2010 13:31 itmeJP wrote: We just finished recording. Expect the matches to be up in an hour or so I would think (edit) on the MLG YouTube Channel My name is JP McDaniel and I was co-casting with Day[9]. Don't hate me because I'm affiliated with the World of Warcraft scene! I would LOVE any feedback you guys can give me on anything about the VOD. I work directly with the producer / editor / director for the show and can implement (good) changes. Sorry for the match not being live we just wanted to make sure everything went well and use this as a test before we start pushing content out live. Races were... + Show Spoiler + Artosis, Zerg, and Louder, Protoss Thanks for all the interest and hopefully you guys like the video! Day[9] will make a post once all the VODs have been uploaded. JP!!! i wont hate u...ahh the arenacast memorys....quit wow, starcraft better ![]() | ||
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On February 28 2010 13:31 itmeJP wrote: My name is JP McDaniel and I was co-casting with Day[9]. Don't hate me because I'm affiliated with the World of Warcraft scene! Don't worry McDaniel, your past transgressions can be made up for with optimum SCII coverage! Will be interesting to hear your commentary, I'm assuming you will be doing the SCII commentary for MLG | ||
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Anyway, I'm definitely looking forward to these VODs. And you can never have enough Day9 in your life... | ||
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On February 28 2010 14:17 zerglingsfolife wrote: Does anyone have any information about MLG? I looked them up on Wikipedia and it seems interesting. Would there be any cons if MLG picked up SC2? MLG deals with console gaming, so picking up something like Starcraft 2 would be... unique. They had very limited steps into the PC world. | ||
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On February 28 2010 14:17 zerglingsfolife wrote: Does anyone have any information about MLG? I looked them up on Wikipedia and it seems interesting. Would there be any cons if MLG picked up SC2? Not sure, MLG is definitely nicer than Kespa though. | ||
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On February 28 2010 14:21 EsX_Raptor wrote: What race has been Artosis playing? Terran? zerg | ||
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On February 28 2010 14:21 EsX_Raptor wrote: What race has been Artosis playing? Terran? Random on ladder, afaik. But as JP said, he played Zerg for this. | ||
lawjeek
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On February 28 2010 14:20 Zed03 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 14:17 zerglingsfolife wrote: Does anyone have any information about MLG? I looked them up on Wikipedia and it seems interesting. Would there be any cons if MLG picked up SC2? MLG deals with console gaming, so picking up something like Starcraft 2 would be... unique. They had very limited steps into the PC world. Which makes me sad because i think SC and CS are the 2 most competitive gaming communities out there, i just hope SC2 adds to this, because those games are beyond ancient in the computer age, even though i love them both. This also brings the question: SC CS are the letters magical? will the 2 fuck it up for sc2...? time will tell, the source definitely fucked it up for cs:source imo... Edit: And wow gets all the attention(granted it has the gigantic community so i could see why any oganization would try to take advantage of them) which is lame because its a terrible competitive sport to play and spectate. As a player things like Hard counters through group compositions come into play, and RNG and just the item grinding etc... To spectate its just soo slow and not tense with heals etc, its mildly entertaining if you are a wow player also involved in arenas, but even then its pretty meh. | ||
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Also just poked into MLG and saw the WoW thing.. jeez, things changed after I quit playing that game heh. Hard to imagine serious competition in WoW pvp.... Would be cool to have some crowds/money behind StarCraft though!! | ||
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On February 28 2010 14:26 lawjeek wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 14:20 Zed03 wrote: On February 28 2010 14:17 zerglingsfolife wrote: Does anyone have any information about MLG? I looked them up on Wikipedia and it seems interesting. Would there be any cons if MLG picked up SC2? MLG deals with console gaming, so picking up something like Starcraft 2 would be... unique. They had very limited steps into the PC world. Which makes me sad because i think SC and CS are the 2 most competitive gaming communities out there, i just hope SC2 adds to this, because those games are beyond ancient in the computer age... even though i love them both, SC CS are the letters magical? will the 2 fuck it up for sc2...? time will tell, the source definitely fucked it up for cs:source imo... Don't forget Quake 3, and Quake Live which will should be out of beta and have a media push extremely soon (according to what Carmack was saying at QuakeCon it should have already happened I thought) I played a lot of competitive CS and Q3 growing up | ||
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On February 28 2010 14:20 Zed03 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 14:17 zerglingsfolife wrote: Does anyone have any information about MLG? I looked them up on Wikipedia and it seems interesting. Would there be any cons if MLG picked up SC2? MLG deals with console gaming, so picking up something like Starcraft 2 would be... unique. They had very limited steps into the PC world. MLG actually hosts WoW Arena competitions with every halo3/gears/etc event so they already have all the necessary equipment to host a pc gaming tournament. | ||
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I can see SC2 potentially being pretty cool as a main stage draw at MLG events, however I'm not sure if the typical HALO 3 BROm CONSOLE FPS IS STR8 RIPPIN' fans will be able to adapt to it, but then again from checking out streams SC2 is easy on the eyes and isn't hard to pick up from a viewer perspective so who knows. | ||
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On February 28 2010 14:28 BladeRunner wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 14:26 lawjeek wrote: On February 28 2010 14:20 Zed03 wrote: On February 28 2010 14:17 zerglingsfolife wrote: Does anyone have any information about MLG? I looked them up on Wikipedia and it seems interesting. Would there be any cons if MLG picked up SC2? MLG deals with console gaming, so picking up something like Starcraft 2 would be... unique. They had very limited steps into the PC world. Which makes me sad because i think SC and CS are the 2 most competitive gaming communities out there, i just hope SC2 adds to this, because those games are beyond ancient in the computer age... even though i love them both, SC CS are the letters magical? will the 2 fuck it up for sc2...? time will tell, the source definitely fucked it up for cs:source imo... Don't forget Quake 3, and Quake Live which will should be out of beta and have a media push extremely soon (according to what Carmack was saying at QuakeCon it should have already happened I thought) I played a lot of competitive CS and Q3 growing up Aw yes, quake is definitely up there with the other 2, It is the top computer 1x1 shooter game... Personally i love watching cs 100x more, maybe thats because I have always been more of a cs player than quake, but also i think theres just a lot more strategy, and strategy/teamwork are the things i look for most in competitions. Also for what i was saying, HL was built of the quake 2 engine, and CS is a HL MOD, so that makes quake and cs some how interconnected which explains why quake is succesful even though it doesn't have the letters sc in its initials, but because it was used to make a game with those initials it must have everything that makes a good game. | ||
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On February 28 2010 14:41 BladeRunner wrote: LOL, I like your logic ![]() Didn't know there was competitve CTF for Q3 v-v. I would just watch the pro 1v1s @ big international tournies i followed for cs anyway. I loved playing CTF and CTF instagib for UT... Any competition still go on for that? | ||
BladeRunner
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On February 28 2010 14:45 lawjeek wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 14:41 BladeRunner wrote: LOL, I like your logic ![]() Didn't know there was competitve CTF for Q3 v-v. I would just watch the pro 1v1s @ big international tournies i followed for cs anyway. I loved playing CTF and CTF instagib for UT... Any competition still go on for that? quakelive.com The spectator sport part happens each year in Dallas at QuakeCon. I watched team EG versus I can't remember who, anyway the pros are all out in force at QuakeCon for sure. | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:03 UbiNax wrote: guess ill just watch it when i wake up then nuts to that, if its on within the next hour or so ill right here watching | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:12 Tazan_0 wrote: Whats the youtube channel itl b up on? http://www.youtube.com/user/MajorLeagueGaming | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:07 TryThis wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 15:03 UbiNax wrote: guess ill just watch it when i wake up then nuts to that, if its on within the next hour or so ill right here watching Yeah so nuts ![]() | ||
kickinhead
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Too bad none of the 2 is playing Terran - by far the most interesting race 2 watch. | ||
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""Starcraft 2 Beta Artosis vs. Louder 2" This video is private." | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:31 Elec wrote: srry im not very familiar with youtube but for me it says ""Starcraft 2 Beta Artosis vs. Louder 2" This video is private." video isnt up yet | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:34 Zed03 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 15:31 Elec wrote: srry im not very familiar with youtube but for me it says ""Starcraft 2 Beta Artosis vs. Louder 2" This video is private." video isnt up yet ah kk just wanted to make sure there wasn't any misclick on making the video private | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:34 Zed03 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 15:31 Elec wrote: srry im not very familiar with youtube but for me it says ""Starcraft 2 Beta Artosis vs. Louder 2" This video is private." video isnt up yet It is, but as the guy prior said, its private. (they need to make it public) | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:41 itmeJP wrote: We're waiting to release them all at once. Be patient sirs! ahh eta? | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:41 itmeJP wrote: We're waiting to release them all at once. Be patient sirs! Booo... give us the first game or two, and then finish editing/uploading while we watch the first game or two. | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:42 Elec wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 15:41 itmeJP wrote: We're waiting to release them all at once. Be patient sirs! ahh eta? Yes, ETA please! Don't worry, you'll get a bazillion hits. But we'll be happier if we can make informed decisions on sleep for tonight. | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:45 brn4meplz wrote: Why not game 1. we can watch game 1, while you guys compile game 2, and etc. because they are SADISTS(jp ofc ![]() | ||
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On February 28 2010 15:47 lawjeek wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 15:45 brn4meplz wrote: Why not game 1. we can watch game 1, while you guys compile game 2, and etc. because they are SADISTS(jp ofc ![]() Japanese sadists? Just watch WL ace match in the meantime. | ||
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On February 28 2010 16:20 Gallimatias wrote: No more WL. Now we wait. Indeed. I'm going to watch Psyonic_Reaver's stream and buy some gatorade ![]() | ||
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On February 28 2010 16:50 jawknee530 wrote: Just about midnight here on the west coast. Any idea of an eta yet? no idea..half an hour max i hope going to watch some Lost | ||
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On February 28 2010 17:07 baeracaed wrote: It's times like these that remind me how stubborn I am. Definitely. Sigh. | ||
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Looks like one is left uploading while the others process. I'll post them tonight before I sleep though 100%. Sorry again! | ||
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On February 28 2010 17:17 itmeJP wrote: Yeah. I apologize guys. I was underestimating how long it takes for YouTube to process things. Looks like one is left uploading while the others process. I'll post them tonight before I sleep though 100%. Sorry again! no problemo thanks for getting them up as fast as you can ![]() | ||
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On February 28 2010 17:17 itmeJP wrote: Yeah. I apologize guys. I was underestimating how long it takes for YouTube to process things. Looks like one is left uploading while the others process. I'll post them tonight before I sleep though 100%. Sorry again! Hey man, way to support us crazy people. ![]() I got my popcorn ready. ![]() | ||
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On February 28 2010 17:17 itmeJP wrote: Yeah. I apologize guys. I was underestimating how long it takes for YouTube to process things. Looks like one is left uploading while the others process. I'll post them tonight before I sleep though 100%. Sorry again! We forgive you. Just be careful about what you promise a forum of rabid elitist Starcraft nerds. =) | ||
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On February 28 2010 17:25 jawknee530 wrote: Is it sad that I work at 7:30am tomorrow morning and I'm sitting here at 12:24am with a beer in my hand waiting for youtube to process HD videos? Damn, well if it's not sad right now it's bound to be tomorrow. ![]() | ||
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On February 28 2010 17:25 jawknee530 wrote: Is it sad that I work at 7:30am tomorrow morning and I'm sitting here at 12:24am with a beer in my hand waiting for youtube to process HD videos? Starting work at 7:30 is always sad. You deserve a good night. | ||
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On February 28 2010 17:39 Zed03 wrote: stilll waiting you sure? | ||
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On February 28 2010 17:55 father_mitch wrote: So did everyone else watching Psyonic Reaver's livestream just get spoiled? yup, oh well just wanted to see good games with commentary anyways, isn't like who wins matters | ||
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And if its going to be like that for SC2 I really don't want them to enter the scene.. I guess they really can't do it like that in SC2 though because they don't have the same monopoly they had in Halo. edit: http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/116416/MLG-Naming-Rules-Clarification this alone is pretty fucking harsh imo.. it reaches the same level of nazism KeSPA does, why interfere with things that wont hurt them in anyway? Why does it matter if a team is called "Team Pandemic" for example or "Evil Gamers" or something.. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/MLG-Turns-Pro-Gaming-Into-Backstabbing-Travesty-14817.html Does this mean MLG has this kind of control over the Halo 3 teams? Lol thats terrible whattf. | ||
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On February 28 2010 18:02 Puosu wrote: Is it true that MLG forbids players from wearing team unfiroms and essentially you have to "sell your soul" to MLG to become a pro in their leagues? Thats what I've been reading about the Halo 3 professional scene. And if its going to be like that for SC2 I really don't want them to enter the scene.. I guess they really can't do that though because they definitely aren't the only source for money in SC2 like it is in Halo 3. this is untrue | ||
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I apologize for all the bull$&^* teasing the past four hours but hopefully it will all be worth the wait. And I think Psyonic_Reaver did just spoil it in his stream ![]() /flamesuiton | ||
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InToTheWannaB
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On February 28 2010 18:19 itmeJP wrote: So, just got the word from higher ups. The video won't be tagged live until tomorrow (not sure what time -- waiting on an e-mail). I apologize for all the bull$&^* teasing the past four hours but hopefully it will all be worth the wait. And I think Psyonic_Reaver did just spoil it in his stream ![]() /flamesuiton no flames, we all have bosses who like to fuck with us because they can. dance puppet dance! | ||
dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
Seriously teamliquid/gom you better do some some sc2 tournies before pure $$$$$$ people come in who care nothign about Starcraft or the game Also GJ MLG first event. blow smoke up and release 0 videos. | ||
Nebbs
United States13 Posts
[B] http://www.cinemablend.com/games/MLG-Turns-Pro-Gaming-Into-Backstabbing-Travesty-14817.html Does this mean MLG has this kind of control over the Halo 3 teams? Lol thats terrible whattf. qft Thats pretty horrible but expected from any type of "big" company that has a chance to dominate a new market. If money first, players second is their underlying motto then I dunno if I want them to start off the SC2 competitive scene for NA and leave a bad taste in the mouths of its gamers. Oops I can't say "Gamers".. | ||
thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On February 28 2010 18:02 Puosu wrote: Is it true that MLG forbids players from wearing team unfiroms and essentially you have to "sell your soul" to MLG to become a pro in their leagues? Thats what I've been reading about the Halo 3 professional scene. And if its going to be like that for SC2 I really don't want them to enter the scene.. I guess they really can't do it like that in SC2 though because they don't have the same monopoly they had in Halo. edit: http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/116416/MLG-Naming-Rules-Clarification this alone is pretty fucking harsh imo.. it reaches the same level of nazism KeSPA does, why interfere with things that wont hurt them in anyway? Why does it matter if a team is called "Team Pandemic" for example or "Evil Gamers" or something.. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/MLG-Turns-Pro-Gaming-Into-Backstabbing-Travesty-14817.html Does this mean MLG has this kind of control over the Halo 3 teams? Lol thats terrible whattf. I think you have put down some good words here mate. The problem here is that every fucker is going to be trying to get a piece of SC2 ESPORTS bucks. If the better folks can really compete with the draconian fuckers, then we've got ourselves a situation the market's going to solve. If there isn't a lot of interest and there are only a few parties who are fronting prize money, then we've just gotta go with what works or abandon ESPORTS altogether. Now I want the SC2 scene to be competitive enough that nobody gets a KeSPA style hold over it, but now is early. I think that supporting the pro scene just by making the game competitive in the first few weeks is a good thing, whether or not the folks doing it are the idea human beings. So, as ESPORTS as a whole goes, I have always felt that MLG is misguided. Not only that, but they have policies, which you have pointed out, that are infuriating and are stunting the growth of ESPORTS (the more sponsors that can get in on the action the better, right?). In the short term, very very short term, depending on how things end up unfolding, MLG can still be a good thing, getting people to practice and play. In the longer term, they will need to change or they will be a very bad thing. That's how I see it. EDIT: Fuck, I don't blame you, JP, for the problems with the VOD. Your higher ups can be fucked by an ultralisk as far as I'm concerned though. We all waited hours for nothing. I hope to see some creative bullshit excuse for why MLG couldn't make public a few youtube videos. I also hope that the scene for SC2 ends up being so cool that MLG fucks can't make a single dollar from it. /rage | ||
Asta
Germany3491 Posts
On February 28 2010 18:27 InToTheWannaB wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 18:19 itmeJP wrote: So, just got the word from higher ups. The video won't be tagged live until tomorrow (not sure what time -- waiting on an e-mail). I apologize for all the bull$&^* teasing the past four hours but hopefully it will all be worth the wait. And I think Psyonic_Reaver did just spoil it in his stream ![]() /flamesuiton no flames, we all have bosses who like to fuck with us because they can. dance puppet dance! well that just might be an easy way to keep sympathies. blaming it on the anonymous 'higher ups'. | ||
itmeJP
United States1101 Posts
On February 28 2010 18:58 Asta wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 18:27 InToTheWannaB wrote: On February 28 2010 18:19 itmeJP wrote: So, just got the word from higher ups. The video won't be tagged live until tomorrow (not sure what time -- waiting on an e-mail). I apologize for all the bull$&^* teasing the past four hours but hopefully it will all be worth the wait. And I think Psyonic_Reaver did just spoil it in his stream ![]() /flamesuiton no flames, we all have bosses who like to fuck with us because they can. dance puppet dance! well that just might be an easy way to keep sympathies. blaming it on the anonymous 'higher ups'. If I could of posted it awhile ago I would of done it. I'm just not the one who makes decisions / has the access to YouTube account -- I'm low on the totem pole ![]() | ||
zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
Also, those articles on the MLG don't exactly paint them in the best light either. ![]() | ||
kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
I've watched those US-Game Leagues and it was pretty weird: - They played games that are just being played in the US (CS:Source, PGR and stuff like that), compared to SC, CS 1.6 etc., those games are unsignificant in the overall professional gaming-world. It looked kinda shady to me, because the level those players where playing on, was just not that high as in other games, so it felt like: Okay, we make a League and push some noob's with sponsoring and because they don't have the slightest chance against ppl from all over the world (I don't say American Gamers are worse than gamers from anywhere around the world, just that those particular players were), we just play games nobody else plays! - It is nice to see that ppl are willing to promote ProGaming as a serious Sport, but the way this "Show" did, was just hilarious: With Cheerleaders and overenthusiastic Commentators that commentate 5 different games but don't really know any of those. That stuff doesn't fit for gaming as of yet. It's about realizing that playing those games requires a lot of dedication and skill and to really concentrate on the Game, rather than to wanna appear to too much ppl by distracting from the fact that it's gaming, becuase everyone was so afraid to make a show about gaming, because it's for Nerds and stuff. -.-° Pretty embarrassing IMO... ^^' I just wondered because this youtube-channel totally reminded me of this Gaming-League... | ||
brn4meplz
Canada98 Posts
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ven
Germany332 Posts
On February 28 2010 19:09 kickinhead wrote: Is this MLG this US-League which was also televised and have those hilarious team-names like football-teams and stuff? Like "The Oklahoma Mexican Staring Frog's of souther Sri-Lanka?". I think you're referring to the CGS. They had team names like Carolina Core or LA Complexity. | ||
aikepah
United States115 Posts
On February 28 2010 19:05 zerglingsfolife wrote: I'm glad I stayed up 2 more hours to watch the video,,, then I got the result spoiled on Psyonics stream. Then I found out the video isn't coming out tonight. Also, those articles on the MLG don't exactly paint them in the best light either. ![]() Sorry you had to waste 2 hours. I don't know anything about MLG really so I wont say anything good or bad about them, but those articles don't look too bad. The rules are being taken out of context I think. When it says no sponsor names, I don't think it means "EG" or "Pandemic" I think it means the actuall sponsors of EG, such as Steelseries. So I think your CS team can be called "EvilGeniuses" but not "SteelSeriesOwners" or something like that. MLG isn't that bad, at least they aren't like the CPL who owe progamers hundreds of thousands of dollars. You guys remember back in the early days of starcraft in korea where they wore space suits and stuff on TV? That's because the TV Network told them that's what they should wear, the problem is the TV station wouldn't air it if they didn't make money, and it's hard to make money if all the advertising money goes just to the players and not to the network. Why buy ad time when you can just pay a gamer to put on your shirt? But then as esports grew in korea they started letting players wear sponsor's uniforms because the network had enough viewers to support what they needed. MLG has been around for a while and I haven't heard anything too bad about them, so I wouldn't go calling them a bad thing for esports. I don't know how they will do with SC2, but I think the way they do things we will have a lot of newer players to the scene, and not just the same 10 americans we always hear about. | ||
kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On February 28 2010 19:12 ven wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 19:09 kickinhead wrote: Is this MLG this US-League which was also televised and have those hilarious team-names like football-teams and stuff? Like "The Oklahoma Mexican Staring Frog's of souther Sri-Lanka?". I think you're referring to the CGS. They had team names like Carolina Core or LA Complexity. haha, yeah, I think it was that one then. ^^' But: On this MLG-Site, I pretty much only see Halo3 and WoW-Videos, I think that's kinda sad, because WoW suxx apparantly and even harder in PvP and even harder when watching it (when ur not a WoW-uber-nerd at least) and Halo3 may be a big thing in the US, but the rest of Pro-Gamers or SemiPro's or whatever don't really give 2 cents about it. Thats a good thing about SC2 I guess: It just reaches everywhere were gaming is a Topic. That was the only good thing about WoW-Broadcasting: Shows could get sponsoring when televising WoW, because of the huge amount of players. Just sad that this audience is playing WoW all day and doesn't care about "PvP-Pro's" and because it's so confusing and not really interesting to watch, nobody else watched either. xD | ||
Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
It's a good thing this was the first test run, getting all this junk out of the way. As we found out, there were quite a few technical hiccups due to the B.net 2.0 and party systems. Still a fun event so look forward to the videos when they arrive 8] | ||
D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On February 28 2010 19:26 Day[9] wrote: ahahah my sincerest apologies to all here. I actually credit myself for the bulk of everyone's disappointment. I promoted my little heart out because I was pumped for the event! However, I misunderstood and thought the stream was going to be live. Then, it turned out it was going to be recorded and I said they'd be posted earlier. Then, I find this out! My bad! It's a good thing this was the first test run, getting all this junk out of the way. As we found out, there were quite a few technical hiccups due to the B.net 2.0 and party systems. Still a fun event so look forward to the videos when they arrive 8] It's not your fault. The VODs are on youtube, just not publicly, as I understand this. That means that it wasn't the fault of anyone on the production side, but the "higher ups" or whatever at MLG. EDIT: Seriously, FUCK, I wanted to watch this so badly. I suppose tomorrow will have to do. | ||
Psyonic_Reaver
United States4331 Posts
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Dyno.
United States286 Posts
Take a site like HoNcast (http://www.honcast.com). A small, independent site, but they're able to upload their movies as soon as the match concludes (though they rarely do it that quickly) without having to worry about a long "processing" time. I'm not trying to talk shit or anything, just genuinely confused. | ||
Puosu
6984 Posts
No idea about exact terms but its clear that one of the reasons MLG for example has chosen youtube is simply the amount of visitors the site gets, now if they get a video on the frontpage millions of people will see it and if it gathers to their interests even view the video even if they never came there for MLG videos. | ||
Tartantyco
Norway17 Posts
On February 28 2010 21:08 Dyno. wrote: I don't really understand why big gaming organizations like ESL and MLG rely on YouTube for their videos Increased exposure. If they pretty much limited everything to their own website they'd have to advertise more, but youtube already has a massive user base and those interested are likely to search for something ESL/MLG provide on youtube. Free advertisement and a service provided free of charge for them, it's a good deal ![]() | ||
member1987
141 Posts
Its pretty stupid to wait 24 hours for VODS after the game has finished. | ||
Rufio
241 Posts
On February 28 2010 20:34 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: Sorry for those that were spoiled on my stream. LzGamer just couldn't keep the mouth shut. -- That's okay. He apologized to the viewers seconds after he realized he spoiled. I'm still going to enjoy the games regardless. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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PerksPlus
Canada105 Posts
On February 28 2010 23:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote: i just woke up, is the video up yet? Not so much. | ||
Elec
Canada136 Posts
On February 28 2010 18:56 thopol wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 18:02 Puosu wrote: Is it true that MLG forbids players from wearing team unfiroms and essentially you have to "sell your soul" to MLG to become a pro in their leagues? Thats what I've been reading about the Halo 3 professional scene. And if its going to be like that for SC2 I really don't want them to enter the scene.. I guess they really can't do it like that in SC2 though because they don't have the same monopoly they had in Halo. edit: http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/116416/MLG-Naming-Rules-Clarification this alone is pretty fucking harsh imo.. it reaches the same level of nazism KeSPA does, why interfere with things that wont hurt them in anyway? Why does it matter if a team is called "Team Pandemic" for example or "Evil Gamers" or something.. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/MLG-Turns-Pro-Gaming-Into-Backstabbing-Travesty-14817.html Does this mean MLG has this kind of control over the Halo 3 teams? Lol thats terrible whattf. I think you have put down some good words here mate. The problem here is that every fucker is going to be trying to get a piece of SC2 ESPORTS bucks. If the better folks can really compete with the draconian fuckers, then we've got ourselves a situation the market's going to solve. If there isn't a lot of interest and there are only a few parties who are fronting prize money, then we've just gotta go with what works or abandon ESPORTS altogether. Now I want the SC2 scene to be competitive enough that nobody gets a KeSPA style hold over it, but now is early. I think that supporting the pro scene just by making the game competitive in the first few weeks is a good thing, whether or not the folks doing it are the idea human beings. So, as ESPORTS as a whole goes, I have always felt that MLG is misguided. Not only that, but they have policies, which you have pointed out, that are infuriating and are stunting the growth of ESPORTS (the more sponsors that can get in on the action the better, right?). In the short term, very very short term, depending on how things end up unfolding, MLG can still be a good thing, getting people to practice and play. In the longer term, they will need to change or they will be a very bad thing. That's how I see it. hmm after reading this ive been thinking would blizzard entering the Esports scene be the best for everyone then? blizzard doesn't have the same freedom of doing whatever they want because they have a reputation to life up to... would they really be the best option to be the leading figure of Esports for SC2... should they choose to? | ||
Elec
Canada136 Posts
On February 28 2010 23:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote: i just woke up, is the video up yet? lol u beat me to it xD | ||
BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On February 28 2010 21:08 Dyno. wrote: I don't really understand why big gaming organizations like ESL and MLG rely on YouTube for their videos (some kind of contract maybe?), unless they're going to be uploading in HD. Then it's nice to let YouTube foot the bandwidth bill, I guess. Take a site like HoNcast (http://www.honcast.com). A small, independent site, but they're able to upload their movies as soon as the match concludes (though they rarely do it that quickly) without having to worry about a long "processing" time. I'm not trying to talk shit or anything, just genuinely confused. wondered that too. and ust because they deserve it, bigup for honcast. never seen a site get so muchn high quality streams out in such a short time.esp since they started only like 3 months ago. they cast like evryday... | ||
404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
Thanks ya'll | ||
Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
Don't even get me started on their ridiculous rule-sets for the games they play. I wouldn't be surprised if they ban cheeses or rush strats or something equally lame if they decide to take on SC2. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
it's like a 12 hour delay on a YOUTUBE VIDEO some people act like we didn't have a 9 month delay of beta. where's the patience? | ||
kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On March 01 2010 00:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote: where's the patience? Nowhere - and that's exactly the problem. ^^' Maybe some ritalin will help... or heroin. xD | ||
Signus
United States269 Posts
On February 28 2010 23:53 Jazriel wrote: MLG is a horrible company, people are only now realizing that? Don't even get me started on their ridiculous rule-sets for the games they play. I wouldn't be surprised if they ban cheeses or rush strats or something equally lame if they decide to take on SC2. What do you mean ridiculous rule-sets? The rules for Halo 3 are only because Bungie messed up on the game a bit and they limit the weapons to the ones that are actually used at a competitive level. I can't think of any other games where they tinker with things, so I doubt Starcraft 2 will have anything like that. | ||
Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
On March 01 2010 00:24 Signus wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 23:53 Jazriel wrote: MLG is a horrible company, people are only now realizing that? Don't even get me started on their ridiculous rule-sets for the games they play. I wouldn't be surprised if they ban cheeses or rush strats or something equally lame if they decide to take on SC2. What do you mean ridiculous rule-sets? The rules for Halo 3 are only because Bungie messed up on the game a bit and they limit the weapons to the ones that are actually used at a competitive level. I can't think of any other games where they tinker with things, so I doubt Starcraft 2 will have anything like that. The Halo 2 rules were garbage. It's been so long I barely remember but they banned the sword? They had some really retarded variants only snipers on colossus? Oh and what was it, starting weapon was SMG? On coag? LOL Halo 3 I don't know anything about 'cause that game is garbage and watching "MLG Pro's" play make me cringe at wasted shots and poor play. Way too many bugs/exploits/glitches/problems to take that game seriously. I am aware though that MLG has been getting better, but the company is still pretty pathetic from my point of view (as uneducated and outdated as it is). | ||
-Frog-
United States514 Posts
The Halo 2 rules were garbage. It's been so long I barely remember but they banned the sword? They had some really retarded variants only snipers on colossus? Oh and what was it, starting weapon was SMG? On coag? LOL Halo 3 I don't know anything about 'cause that game is garbage and watching "MLG Pro's" play make me cringe at wasted shots and poor play. Way too many bugs/exploits/glitches/problems to take that game seriously. I am aware though that MLG has been getting better, but the company is still pretty pathetic from my point of view (as uneducated and outdated as it is). banned sword? snipers only? SMG start? this must have been in like 04 or something because those were most definitely NOT the rules during the height of halo 2's popularity. i don't see how you can think a company is pathetic when you have already admitted you are uneducated on it's policies. simply ridiculous | ||
Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
On March 01 2010 01:09 frog HERO wrote: Show nested quote + The Halo 2 rules were garbage. It's been so long I barely remember but they banned the sword? They had some really retarded variants only snipers on colossus? Oh and what was it, starting weapon was SMG? On coag? LOL Halo 3 I don't know anything about 'cause that game is garbage and watching "MLG Pro's" play make me cringe at wasted shots and poor play. Way too many bugs/exploits/glitches/problems to take that game seriously. I am aware though that MLG has been getting better, but the company is still pretty pathetic from my point of view (as uneducated and outdated as it is). banned sword? snipers only? SMG start? this must have been in like 04 or something because those were most definitely NOT the rules during the height of halo 2's popularity. i don't see how you can think a company is pathetic when you have already admitted you are uneducated on it's policies. simply ridiculous A company that starts poorly and even today allows cheats like BXR couldn't possibly have a good/positive track record. | ||
-Frog-
United States514 Posts
On March 01 2010 01:24 Jazriel wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 01:09 frog HERO wrote: The Halo 2 rules were garbage. It's been so long I barely remember but they banned the sword? They had some really retarded variants only snipers on colossus? Oh and what was it, starting weapon was SMG? On coag? LOL Halo 3 I don't know anything about 'cause that game is garbage and watching "MLG Pro's" play make me cringe at wasted shots and poor play. Way too many bugs/exploits/glitches/problems to take that game seriously. I am aware though that MLG has been getting better, but the company is still pretty pathetic from my point of view (as uneducated and outdated as it is). banned sword? snipers only? SMG start? this must have been in like 04 or something because those were most definitely NOT the rules during the height of halo 2's popularity. i don't see how you can think a company is pathetic when you have already admitted you are uneducated on it's policies. simply ridiculous A company that starts poorly and even today allows cheats like BXR couldn't possibly have a good/positive track record. What do you mean "even today" allows cheats like BXR? Halo 2 isn't played anymore so that argument is completely invalid not to mention the fact that you are calling the BXR a cheat is highly debatable and it definitely brought a skill requirement to playing H2. That would be like saying using hold lurkers shouldn't be allowed because the game developers didn't intend it. As for your "a company who starts poorly couldn't possibly have a good/positive track record argument," how can you possibly view things in life that way? You don't believe people/organizations can change to make themselves better? Everything you have said so far has either been 1) incorrect or 2) ridiculously biased. Please take a moment to actually research MLG before you go bashing it because I think MLG picking up SC2 could be really great for the American starcraft scene and there's no reason to blindly hate them. | ||
Hasire
United States125 Posts
I did find that what they did with CoD games to be absurd, they took out much of the gameplay to make it 'balanced'. | ||
BladeRunner
United States407 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On March 01 2010 01:50 BladeRunner wrote: I'm a hardcore "if it's possible it's legal" type guy heh. I hope you mean just in games. Because it's possible to kill some one. | ||
hoborg
United States430 Posts
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BladeRunner
United States407 Posts
![]() ![]() Here's some pages I'm referring to http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/cheating.html http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/how-far-should-you-go-to-win.html Sirlin refers to "tournament legal" a lot and I guess in MLG's case they would set the rule, but I still don't like the idea of having big adjustments or balancing rules. If there are game breaking bugs they can ban those I guess but otherwise I'd be less than overjoyed. | ||
hacpee
United States752 Posts
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On March 01 2010 01:56 HazMat wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 01:50 BladeRunner wrote: I'm a hardcore "if it's possible it's legal" type guy heh. I hope you mean just in games. Because it's possible to kill some one. Of course he's talking about games. The book he's referring to is here http://www.sirlin.net/ptw . It outlines the philosophy of someone trying to win at a game (using the rules of the game, not by cheating and so on). The things in there are mostly obvious, but if you show it to enough people, you'll be shocked how their mindset conflicts entirely. | ||
defire
United States7 Posts
On March 01 2010 01:05 Jazriel wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 00:24 Signus wrote: On February 28 2010 23:53 Jazriel wrote: MLG is a horrible company, people are only now realizing that? Don't even get me started on their ridiculous rule-sets for the games they play. I wouldn't be surprised if they ban cheeses or rush strats or something equally lame if they decide to take on SC2. What do you mean ridiculous rule-sets? The rules for Halo 3 are only because Bungie messed up on the game a bit and they limit the weapons to the ones that are actually used at a competitive level. I can't think of any other games where they tinker with things, so I doubt Starcraft 2 will have anything like that. The Halo 2 rules were garbage. It's been so long I barely remember but they banned the sword? They had some really retarded variants only snipers on colossus? Oh and what was it, starting weapon was SMG? On coag? LOL Halo 3 I don't know anything about 'cause that game is garbage and watching "MLG Pro's" play make me cringe at wasted shots and poor play. Way too many bugs/exploits/glitches/problems to take that game seriously. I am aware though that MLG has been getting better, but the company is still pretty pathetic from my point of view (as uneducated and outdated as it is). We have a winner here, Coagulation was never an MLG map, every map started with a BR no secondary, and most of MLG's rules are based on the input of the pros. Now you should stop bashing a company unless you either; play under contract for them and know these things, or actually attend an event and see for yourself. Don't blindly try bashing MLG because some youtube video isn't up on their first attempt at doing something like this. At least they are actually showing interest and willing to bring us a show match, because I didn't see any other company jumping the gun. | ||
StalinRusH
United States734 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On March 01 2010 02:19 defire wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 01:05 Jazriel wrote: On March 01 2010 00:24 Signus wrote: On February 28 2010 23:53 Jazriel wrote: MLG is a horrible company, people are only now realizing that? Don't even get me started on their ridiculous rule-sets for the games they play. I wouldn't be surprised if they ban cheeses or rush strats or something equally lame if they decide to take on SC2. What do you mean ridiculous rule-sets? The rules for Halo 3 are only because Bungie messed up on the game a bit and they limit the weapons to the ones that are actually used at a competitive level. I can't think of any other games where they tinker with things, so I doubt Starcraft 2 will have anything like that. The Halo 2 rules were garbage. It's been so long I barely remember but they banned the sword? They had some really retarded variants only snipers on colossus? Oh and what was it, starting weapon was SMG? On coag? LOL Halo 3 I don't know anything about 'cause that game is garbage and watching "MLG Pro's" play make me cringe at wasted shots and poor play. Way too many bugs/exploits/glitches/problems to take that game seriously. I am aware though that MLG has been getting better, but the company is still pretty pathetic from my point of view (as uneducated and outdated as it is). We have a winner here, Coagulation was never an MLG map, every map started with a BR no secondary, and most of MLG's rules are based on the input of the pros. Now you should stop bashing a company unless you either; play under contract for them and know these things, or actually attend an event and see for yourself. Don't blindly try bashing MLG because some youtube video isn't up on their first attempt at doing something like this. At least they are actually showing interest and willing to bring us a show match, because I didn't see any other company jumping the gun. Didn't Wemade have a showmatch Nada vs Moon? | ||
Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
As to that, I'm glad they are picking up SCII. Don't you guys want SCII to take off in NA? Well, through MLG it has a good shot, and not to mention whatever else SCII pops up on. MLG has corporate sponsors so its not like it's some small time know-nothing. Anyways, looking forward to the matches on YT. This is their first foray into this, so be a little patient and don't bite the hand that feeds :p | ||
Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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OverShield
Canada41 Posts
On February 28 2010 18:02 Puosu wrote: http://www.cinemablend.com/games/MLG-Turns-Pro-Gaming-Into-Backstabbing-Travesty-14817.html Does this mean MLG has this kind of control over the Halo 3 teams? Lol thats terrible whattf. I've been lurking the TL forums for a while but would like to contribute as I've been following MLG on and off for a few years. First off: This article is complete garbage. Thank god at the end they have a message from MLG clarifying this. Final Boss (formerly StK, I believe) had been the most dominant team in the league for something like 5 years. When Halo 3 rolled around they began to slip in their performance. By the players' own admittance there were huge problems with the team chemistry and Walshy was basically kicked out by his own teammates. It was kind of a messy ordeal and Walshy has since had a vendetta against Final Boss (who have still been performing poorly even after multiple team changes). This had nothing to do with MLG. On March 01 2010 01:05 Jazriel wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 00:24 Signus wrote: On February 28 2010 23:53 Jazriel wrote: MLG is a horrible company, people are only now realizing that? Don't even get me started on their ridiculous rule-sets for the games they play. I wouldn't be surprised if they ban cheeses or rush strats or something equally lame if they decide to take on SC2. What do you mean ridiculous rule-sets? The rules for Halo 3 are only because Bungie messed up on the game a bit and they limit the weapons to the ones that are actually used at a competitive level. I can't think of any other games where they tinker with things, so I doubt Starcraft 2 will have anything like that. The Halo 2 rules were garbage. It's been so long I barely remember but they banned the sword? They had some really retarded variants only snipers on colossus? Oh and what was it, starting weapon was SMG? On coag? LOL Halo 3 I don't know anything about 'cause that game is garbage and watching "MLG Pro's" play make me cringe at wasted shots and poor play. Way too many bugs/exploits/glitches/problems to take that game seriously. I am aware though that MLG has been getting better, but the company is still pretty pathetic from my point of view (as uneducated and outdated as it is). Wow dude. Just stop talking. Again to clear the air: MLG is pretty much the sole reason that Halo 3 currently has any competitive community at all. Ever since the pistol was removed in Halo 2 the game has been rather unbalanced. Bungie's default set-up was SMG start (No, MLG never had SMG start on Coag you fucking idiot) which then extended to AR start in Halo 3. This created an imbalance as spawning with a crap weapon left you completely open and defenseless at spawn and if you couldn't find a Battle Rifle before someone found you: it was lights out. I'm not gonna get into the details of this but basically MLG worked to create a gametype where most imbalances were fixed. BR start was put in, power weapons (rockets, sniper) were removed/moved to more appropriate locations, and power-ups were given the same treatment. With the Forge map-creator they have also continued to create maps from scratch to be used within the league. Because of the work MLG did with these "MLG maps" Bungie put in an official MLG Playlist into their matchmaking which catered specifically to the competitive crowd. Honestly, without this playlist Halo 3 would not have been nearly as successful and literally no pros would ever touch the Halo 3 matchmaking/ladder. In regards to the MLG tournaments themselves: they are pretty sweet. The stage and entire setup is pretty legit and professional, the sponsors are plentiful, the prize pools are big (25k-100k per team), the commentary is knowledgeable and interesting (and pretty dorky), and major tournaments happen regularly. One complaint I do have is the way that videos are uploaded onto their site: its just incredibly counter intuitive and difficult to browse for matches that you want to watch. Given how professional the rest of the site is, you would think this kinda stuff would be given more attention. The VODs are okay but the tourney shoutcasts are just arranged in a very stupid way. Although I don't think MLG is perfect, its pretty fucking clear that they care about competitive gaming. They took a game that had the potential to be a successful e-sport and then tweaked it enough for it to become that success. Whether you like Halo 3 or not, its hard to deny the positive impact that MLG has had on competitive gaming in the US. And with Halo Reach on the way I can see SC2 becoming their flagship PC title as the new Halo will reclaim its position on the console side of things. There's no promises as to how this will work out, but I think that given how MLG has helped competitive Halo there's no reason to believe that they would mess up SC2. We'll just have to wait and see. | ||
bountyface
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baeracaed
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[p]Drake
United States40 Posts
MLG would probably be the best vehicle to give SC2 a viable pro scene. They already have a merry band of nerds waiting to watch hours of coverage and a big pool of money to offer up. I don't think that something like teamliquid will ever be replaced because it is THE place for starfcraft, but MLG is bringing eSports to the mainstream. Hopefully if this move happens the key people already in the SC community will take a lead role so it can be as successful as possible. | ||
oberon
United States1320 Posts
On March 01 2010 02:53 baeracaed wrote: So much nerd sweat. anyway, at least we have the USA vs Canada match to watch 2 hours to pass some time. I really, really, hope you're joking. You can't think of anything that starts an hour earlier that you might also watch? --oberon | ||
Ruthless
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ocho
United States172 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:20 oberon wrote: I really, really, hope you're joking. You can't think of anything that starts an hour earlier that you might also watch? --oberon Nope. | ||
Mannerheim
766 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:11 [p]Drake wrote: I completely agree with OverShield. I have followed/been involved with the MLG Halo community since 2004-5 and it has grown by leaps and bounds since then. In a recent interview they said they now get about 500k unique views on their streams over the course of a tournament weekend. That is an IMPRESSIVE feat for an eSport. They have major sponsors: ESPN, Old Spice, Dr Pepper, BIC, Doritos, etc. I recently attended the finals in Orlando, FL and the events are very well run and professional. MLG would probably be the best vehicle to give SC2 a viable pro scene. They already have a merry band of nerds waiting to watch hours of coverage and a big pool of money to offer up. I don't think that something like teamliquid will ever be replaced because it is THE place for starfcraft, but MLG is bringing eSports to the mainstream. Hopefully if this move happens the key people already in the SC community will take a lead role so it can be as successful as possible. Isn't MLG pretty much an exclusive deal for the teams, forbidding them to play for other organizations? I can't see many prominent SC2 players (from BW and Wc3) signing that. | ||
baeracaed
United States604 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:20 oberon wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 02:53 baeracaed wrote: So much nerd sweat. anyway, at least we have the USA vs Canada match to watch 2 hours to pass some time. I really, really, hope you're joking. You can't think of anything that starts an hour earlier that you might also watch? --oberon Well the hockey match is going to be going way past TSL. I wouldn't miss it for the world man. Edit: hmm maybe not.. Well I can't miss TSL final, you're right. | ||
blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:31 baeracaed wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 03:20 oberon wrote: On March 01 2010 02:53 baeracaed wrote: So much nerd sweat. anyway, at least we have the USA vs Canada match to watch 2 hours to pass some time. I really, really, hope you're joking. You can't think of anything that starts an hour earlier that you might also watch? --oberon Well the hockey match is going to be going way past TSL. I wouldn't miss it for the world man. Edit: hmm maybe not.. Well I can't miss TSL final, you're right. Yeah that and who cares about hockey? ![]() | ||
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Spazer
Canada8029 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:29 Mannerheim wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 03:11 [p]Drake wrote: I completely agree with OverShield. I have followed/been involved with the MLG Halo community since 2004-5 and it has grown by leaps and bounds since then. In a recent interview they said they now get about 500k unique views on their streams over the course of a tournament weekend. That is an IMPRESSIVE feat for an eSport. They have major sponsors: ESPN, Old Spice, Dr Pepper, BIC, Doritos, etc. I recently attended the finals in Orlando, FL and the events are very well run and professional. MLG would probably be the best vehicle to give SC2 a viable pro scene. They already have a merry band of nerds waiting to watch hours of coverage and a big pool of money to offer up. I don't think that something like teamliquid will ever be replaced because it is THE place for starfcraft, but MLG is bringing eSports to the mainstream. Hopefully if this move happens the key people already in the SC community will take a lead role so it can be as successful as possible. Isn't MLG pretty much an exclusive deal for the teams, forbidding them to play for other organizations? I can't see many prominent SC2 players (from BW and Wc3) signing that. Remember the Kespa/GomTV/Blizzard drama? It's practically the same thing. IIRC, the broadcasting dispute resulted in July not going to Blizzcon or something. In addition, Kespa refused to sanction the GomTV league, so the teams, in a show of support, decided not to participate. | ||
Tfact_rats
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:29 Mannerheim wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 03:11 [p]Drake wrote: I completely agree with OverShield. I have followed/been involved with the MLG Halo community since 2004-5 and it has grown by leaps and bounds since then. In a recent interview they said they now get about 500k unique views on their streams over the course of a tournament weekend. That is an IMPRESSIVE feat for an eSport. They have major sponsors: ESPN, Old Spice, Dr Pepper, BIC, Doritos, etc. I recently attended the finals in Orlando, FL and the events are very well run and professional. MLG would probably be the best vehicle to give SC2 a viable pro scene. They already have a merry band of nerds waiting to watch hours of coverage and a big pool of money to offer up. I don't think that something like teamliquid will ever be replaced because it is THE place for starfcraft, but MLG is bringing eSports to the mainstream. Hopefully if this move happens the key people already in the SC community will take a lead role so it can be as successful as possible. Isn't MLG pretty much an exclusive deal for the teams, forbidding them to play for other organizations? I can't see many prominent SC2 players (from BW and Wc3) signing that. You don't think they would sign a contract for what MLG pays out? Because they pay A LOT. NO reason people wouldn't sign with them. | ||
Xlancer
United States126 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:35 blade55555 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 03:31 baeracaed wrote: On March 01 2010 03:20 oberon wrote: On March 01 2010 02:53 baeracaed wrote: So much nerd sweat. anyway, at least we have the USA vs Canada match to watch 2 hours to pass some time. I really, really, hope you're joking. You can't think of anything that starts an hour earlier that you might also watch? --oberon Well the hockey match is going to be going way past TSL. I wouldn't miss it for the world man. Edit: hmm maybe not.. Well I can't miss TSL final, you're right. Yeah that and who cares about hockey? ![]() qft Who cares about an international tournament that only awards the winner a gold medal worth about $500USD when there is another international tournament with a $10,000 award!!! | ||
Puosu
6984 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:45 Bosu wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 03:29 Mannerheim wrote: On March 01 2010 03:11 [p]Drake wrote: I completely agree with OverShield. I have followed/been involved with the MLG Halo community since 2004-5 and it has grown by leaps and bounds since then. In a recent interview they said they now get about 500k unique views on their streams over the course of a tournament weekend. That is an IMPRESSIVE feat for an eSport. They have major sponsors: ESPN, Old Spice, Dr Pepper, BIC, Doritos, etc. I recently attended the finals in Orlando, FL and the events are very well run and professional. MLG would probably be the best vehicle to give SC2 a viable pro scene. They already have a merry band of nerds waiting to watch hours of coverage and a big pool of money to offer up. I don't think that something like teamliquid will ever be replaced because it is THE place for starfcraft, but MLG is bringing eSports to the mainstream. Hopefully if this move happens the key people already in the SC community will take a lead role so it can be as successful as possible. Isn't MLG pretty much an exclusive deal for the teams, forbidding them to play for other organizations? I can't see many prominent SC2 players (from BW and Wc3) signing that. You don't think they would sign a contract for what MLG pays out? Because they pay A LOT. NO reason people wouldn't sign with them. It could be good for the people getting in but overall it would be terrible for the growth of SC2 esports if we're limited to only one source for leagues, a source that does not even have any experience in StarCraft. I really can't see MLG even trying to do such harsh monopoly as they did in Halo 3 though, I think the only reason they really could do so in Halo 3 was because there was no really any competition for them so it came naturally and they just played it safe and made their players only play for them. And I don't want to come off as an anti-mlg person, I really would like them to be a huge part of SC2's success but I'm just hoping they don't become another KeSPA nazi. | ||
Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:23 _rdm_ wrote: The problem is American players want to watch shooting games and want to play shooting games. They are quite frankly easier to understand and easier to play. I wouldn't say this. There are a ton of RTS players in America. They are just spread out over Age/CnC/SC, now with SCII I think they'll all be brought together. The SCII community is going to be HUGE. Easily enough for a viable NA e-Sport. Also MLG runs tournaments in Canada, so it truly is NA. | ||
Mannerheim
766 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:49 Puosu wrote: It could be good for the people getting in but overall it would be terrible for the growth of SC2 esports if we're limited to only one source for leagues, a source that does not even have any experience in StarCraft. I really can't see MLG even trying to do such harsh monopoly as they did in Halo 3 though, I think the only reason they really could do so in Halo 3 was because there was no really any competition for them so it came naturally and they just played it safe and made their players only play for them. And I don't want to come off as an anti-mlg person, I really would like them to be a huge part of SC2's success but I'm just hoping they don't become another KeSPA nazi. Even if MLG signed every well known BW player in US, if it was exclusive and isolated from international competition I wouldn't give two shits about their leagues/events. I'm not anti-MLG either if they become just another SC2 organizer. But if they want to mimic KeSPA and dictate where and when their players can play, fuck them. | ||
Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:56 Mannerheim wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 03:49 Puosu wrote: It could be good for the people getting in but overall it would be terrible for the growth of SC2 esports if we're limited to only one source for leagues, a source that does not even have any experience in StarCraft. I really can't see MLG even trying to do such harsh monopoly as they did in Halo 3 though, I think the only reason they really could do so in Halo 3 was because there was no really any competition for them so it came naturally and they just played it safe and made their players only play for them. And I don't want to come off as an anti-mlg person, I really would like them to be a huge part of SC2's success but I'm just hoping they don't become another KeSPA nazi. Even if MLG signed every well known BW player in US, if it was exclusive and isolated from international competition I wouldn't give two shits about their leagues/events. I'm not anti-MLG either if they become just another SC2 organizer. But if they want to mimic KeSPA and dictate where and when their players can play, fuck them. MLG is North American. Holding worldwide tournaments is cost prohibitive. They also broadcast all their stuff online so its not like only NA can watch. If the community wants it bad enough I'm sure some type of "World Championship" could be setup between ESL, MLG, and Kespa...Maybe not Kespa..., but definitely ESL and MLG or whatever EU company steps up. I don't think we should be so picky when it comes to viable e-Sports, as it's not exactly..."mainstream". We take what we can get :p Also, the top Halo players make more than the top SC players...so take that as you will :p | ||
Tfact_rats
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:56 Mannerheim wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 03:49 Puosu wrote: It could be good for the people getting in but overall it would be terrible for the growth of SC2 esports if we're limited to only one source for leagues, a source that does not even have any experience in StarCraft. I really can't see MLG even trying to do such harsh monopoly as they did in Halo 3 though, I think the only reason they really could do so in Halo 3 was because there was no really any competition for them so it came naturally and they just played it safe and made their players only play for them. And I don't want to come off as an anti-mlg person, I really would like them to be a huge part of SC2's success but I'm just hoping they don't become another KeSPA nazi. Even if MLG signed every well known BW player in US, if it was exclusive and isolated from international competition I wouldn't give two shits about their leagues/events. I'm not anti-MLG either if they become just another SC2 organizer. But if they want to mimic KeSPA and dictate where and when their players can play, fuck them. yes I support MLG if they do good tournaments/etc. But if it becomes some sort of monopoly, nazi contract (even worse than Kespa), or this whole "you have the name we want, team name we want, no personal sponsors" then fuck that. I don't want 1 show in town with control over a group of gamers. Because ultimately it exists to promote ITSELF and not the game/players. We all know what happens when a monopolizing organization sees a new tournament/org (see how Kespa/SKT1 etc sought to undermine gomtv and keep pro gamers from playing in it?) They have their own interests way above that of expanding the sport/players/etc. | ||
OverShield
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On March 01 2010 03:59 Rothbardian wrote:Also, the top Halo players make more than the top SC players...so take that as you will :p What's your point? and about the whole MLG thing...I seriously doubt they are worse than KeSPA as far as player's rights are concerned. However, in terms of professionalism I'm less than optimistic. | ||
Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On March 01 2010 04:02 dacthehork wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 03:56 Mannerheim wrote: On March 01 2010 03:49 Puosu wrote: It could be good for the people getting in but overall it would be terrible for the growth of SC2 esports if we're limited to only one source for leagues, a source that does not even have any experience in StarCraft. I really can't see MLG even trying to do such harsh monopoly as they did in Halo 3 though, I think the only reason they really could do so in Halo 3 was because there was no really any competition for them so it came naturally and they just played it safe and made their players only play for them. And I don't want to come off as an anti-mlg person, I really would like them to be a huge part of SC2's success but I'm just hoping they don't become another KeSPA nazi. Even if MLG signed every well known BW player in US, if it was exclusive and isolated from international competition I wouldn't give two shits about their leagues/events. I'm not anti-MLG either if they become just another SC2 organizer. But if they want to mimic KeSPA and dictate where and when their players can play, fuck them. yes I support MLG if they do good tournaments/etc. But if it becomes some sort of monopoly, nazi contract (even worse than Kespa), or this whole "you have the name we want, team name we want, no personal sponsors" then fuck that. I don't want 1 show in town with control over a group of gamers. Because ultimately it exists to promote ITSELF and not the game/players. We all know what happens when a monopolizing organization sees a new tournament/org (see how Kespa/SKT1 etc sought to undermine gomtv and keep pro gamers from playing in it?) They have their own interests way above that of expanding the sport/players/etc. To be fair, every sport is like that. If it was a monopoly then no one could compete. If Gom wants to compete then they have to sign players...It's no different than the NFL/USFL/AFL. The USFL had a great shot, but they didn't know how to finance shit and they imploded because they lost 163 million lmao. It makes no sense for the company to let their players play in every league...while it would be great for the consumer, it would be disastrous to the business.... | ||
Puosu
6984 Posts
Also, the top Halo players make more than the top SC players...so take that as you will Really? We SC players aren't even really aware of how much money the likes of Jaedong and Flash make so how did you come to this conclusion? Needless to say you can't really even compare Korea to USA in these things because not even huge music celebrities make that much money there. I remember there being some site doing research on this about a year ago and I cant remember there being one Halo player on the list. :O Maybe they didn't have the information.. edit: Quick google search does not give much but states that some top pros have 200k / year so thats pretty much the same someone like NaDa makes not including tournaments/what he gets from advertising stuff etc. Uh yeah seems like MLG "hired" some players with these 200k deals in 2008ish and after that haven't paid that much to any others and apparently the top prize pools are $100k split between 5 players, sure they make more than the worst SC progamers but really that does not come close to the earnings of Flash/JD/Boxer. | ||
avilo
United States4100 Posts
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
By attending the Combine, each Player authorizes MLG and Combine Entities to film, record and/or photograph his or her voice and likeness ("Image"), and also grants MLG and Combine Entities the irrevocable right to use any footage, recordings or photographs of him or her recorded or taken during the Combine, or any reproduction or modification thereof (collectively, the "Recordings") in any manner and medium throughout the world an unlimited number of times in perpetuity for advertising, trade, promotion, exhibition or any other lawful purpose except where prohibited by law. By attending the Combine, except where prohibited by law each Player further waives any right of inspection or approval of the uses to which MLG may put the Recordings, and releases MLG from any and all claims arising out of or in connection with the Recordings, the Player’s Image or MLG’s use thereof. LOLso if boxer showed up to one of their events they would use his image on the box of porn videos or for every future advert. Is that even legal in most stateS? Also sorry for pretty much every team (mouz/eg/etc), get ready to rename if you want in on MLG I expect 0 koreans to attend unless they get special permission to use team name and not release their likeness/pictures for being used for eternity. That is some really shady shit or over the top crap. Switch up the rules on company = team name as 99% of SC2 gamers will be in sponsored teams, and switch up this "release" of likeness for ANY advertising for all time. Team Name Rules 1. No websites. 2. No use of “Major League Gaming” or its abbreviation (MLG). 3. No use of the word "Team". 4. No use of the words "Gamer" or "Gaming". 5. No derogatory, suggestive, or otherwise inappropriate Words/Meanings. 6. No corporations, company, sponsor, or product names. 7. Teams may not register for a Combine Competition or Pro Circuit Competition with a Team Name that closely resembles that of a current or former Pro Player or Pro Team. 8. Team Names are limited to 20 characters, including spaces. 9. Teams found violating any of the Team Name Rules will have their Team Name changed and will be instructed to rename their Team immediately. The best advice I can give you all is before you sign/get in contract with MSL, get some sort of group/union together (If it gets big) to bargain for some better rights/rules. AKA all top US players, to at least change the team name to be a company and allowing to wear sponsors clothing (so you can actually get money from sponsors and not just straight through MLG) so Like Team EG / all top players.. Get some better rules/contracts before getting with MLG, you will be way better off in the long run with some freedom. | ||
jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Mannerheim
766 Posts
On March 01 2010 04:12 dacthehork wrote: LOL so if boxer showed up to one of their events they would use his image on the box of porn videos or for every future advert. Is that even legal in most stateS? Also sorry for pretty much every team (mouz/eg/etc), get ready to rename if you want in on MLG I expect 0 koreans to attend unless they get special permission to use team name and not release their likeness/pictures for being used for eternity. That is some really shady shit or over the top crap. Switch up the rules on company = team name as 99% of SC2 gamers will be in sponsored teams, and switch up this "release" of likeness for ANY advertising for all time. Yeah their regulations make KeSPA look liberal. | ||
killerdog
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
By attending the Combine, each Player authorizes MLG and Combine Entities to film, record and/or photograph his or her voice and likeness ("Image"), and also grants MLG and Combine Entities the irrevocable right to use any footage, recordings or photographs of him or her recorded or taken during the Combine, or any reproduction or modification thereof (collectively, the "Recordings") in any manner and medium throughout the world an unlimited number of times in perpetuity for advertising, trade, promotion, exhibition or any other lawful purpose except where prohibited by law. By attending the Combine, except where prohibited by law each Player further waives any right of inspection or approval of the uses to which MLG may put the Recordings, and releases MLG from any and all claims arising out of or in connection with the Recordings, the Player’s Image or MLG’s use thereof. This passage is designed to transfer the right of publicity (copyright lingo) from the individual to MLG. This is so that players can't sue MLG for promotional features which include their image. It's actually quite common, and I wouldn't be surprised if KeSPA has something similar in their contract language. | ||
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Zed03
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Nebbs
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StayFrosty
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Xxio
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![]() Can we get an update or something? It sounds like they have the videos uploaded and are just holding on to them... | ||
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Luca
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thopol
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DoomBacon
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I really want to watch this match and I'm getting pretty pissed... | ||
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DEN1ED
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Puosu
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On March 01 2010 07:59 Bosu wrote: What is there to get pissed about lol? You people are ridiculous. Some people set their clocks to ring over 12 hours ago so they would wake up to watch the games.. instead they were told to wait for the commentated games to be uploaded to youtube. The videos get uploaded but remain private, apparently some genious from upper management of MLG wants to delay the release for some god forsaken reason. What is there not to be pissed about? | ||
Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
On March 01 2010 08:01 Puosu wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 07:59 Bosu wrote: What is there to get pissed about lol? You people are ridiculous. Some people set their clocks to ring over 12 hours ago so they would wake up to watch the games.. instead they were told to wait for the commentated games to be uploaded to youtube. The videos get uploaded but remain private, apparently some genious from upper management of MLG wants to delay the release for some god forsaken reason. What is there not to be pissed about? Pretty much sums it up | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
Personally I don't really care, just a bit annoying and sets a bad precedent for them. | ||
[p]Drake
United States40 Posts
Things tend to run faster at TL because its a bunch of dedicated people running it from home instead of a business. | ||
Nebbs
United States13 Posts
Also the lack of a response to even try to explain why we still don't have the videos. IMO it's very bad publicity for MLG as this is causing a lot of early hate for them and SC2 isn't even released yet.. | ||
hacpee
United States752 Posts
On March 01 2010 08:13 Nebbs wrote: That doesn't explain why they would delay releasing the videos, I cannot imagine a reason to keep them private once they are ALREADY on YouTube. I think that's the majority of whats pissing people off. It doesn't take 12hours for YouTube to process a video to HD either. Also the lack of a response to even try to explain why we still don't have the videos. IMO it's very bad publicity for MLG as this is causing a lot of early hate for them and SC2 isn't even released yet.. Probably has to do with blizzard and the fees it wants to collect. | ||
Nebbs
United States13 Posts
On March 01 2010 08:16 hacpee wrote: Probably has to do with blizzard and the fees it wants to collect. You would think a serious company like MLG would have covered those bases before they decided to cover SC2. I'm pretty sure that is not the cause. | ||
[p]Drake
United States40 Posts
As far as response. This is the TL.net forums... I don't think MLG itself is going to post something here, and seems like Day[9]/MJ didn't know exactly what was going on and caused problems to start and probably won't post until the VODs get posted. I say we all just agree that TSL Finals/Olympic Hockey were awesome and go with that. | ||
thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On March 01 2010 08:19 [p]Drake wrote: How do you know they are already on YouTube if you can't watch them? On February 28 2010 15:35 icydergosu wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2010 15:34 Zed03 wrote: On February 28 2010 15:31 Elec wrote: srry im not very familiar with youtube but for me it says ""Starcraft 2 Beta Artosis vs. Louder 2" This video is private." video isnt up yet It is, but as the guy prior said, its private. (they need to make it public) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54W2SB4YpYk From page 6. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 01 2010 08:19 [p]Drake wrote: How do you know they are already on YouTube if you can't watch them? As far as response. This is the TL.net forums... I don't think MLG itself is going to post something here, and seems like Day[9]/MJ didn't know exactly what was going on and caused problems to start and probably won't post until the VODs get posted. I say we all just agree that TSL Finals/Olympic Hockey were awesome and go with that. The VOD has already been posted in this thread, it just hasn't been made public yet. | ||
Niten
United States598 Posts
![]() I bet they'll be up tomorrow on a normal USA workday. | ||
trancey
United States430 Posts
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OverShield
Canada41 Posts
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
The only relevant part of that is the news on the VODs and you sound just as speculative as anyone else. Do you know the guy who's working on them? If you have any information that hasn't been posted, particularly a time estimate (rough is fine), please post that. | ||
Elec
Canada136 Posts
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Rufio
241 Posts
On February 28 2010 19:26 Day[9] wrote: ahahah my sincerest apologies to all here. I actually credit myself for the bulk of everyone's disappointment. I promoted my little heart out because I was pumped for the event! However, I misunderstood and thought the stream was going to be live. Then, it turned out it was going to be recorded and I said they'd be posted earlier. Then, I find this out! My bad! It's a good thing this was the first test run, getting all this junk out of the way. As we found out, there were quite a few technical hiccups due to the B.net 2.0 and party systems. Still a fun event so look forward to the videos when they arrive 8] Day[9] It's all good. Thanks for clearing things up. | ||
father_mitch
United States48 Posts
Minor, community-run events with minimal publicity can already blow that number out of the water. Starcraft and Stracraft 2 are not comparable to WoW in any way. | ||
baeracaed
United States604 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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DoomBacon
United States165 Posts
Additionally the majority of WoW players not only don't PvP competitively but they don't care about the competitive side of the game at all so it's really not surprising that a casual game like WoW would not draw a large crowd. | ||
D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On March 01 2010 08:35 trancey wrote: And, for the hate on the VODs: They're probably producing them still to make sure it's of their standard of quality. The guy who's probably doing it doesn't like working on weekends, so give him a break. No I dont give him any breaks because. We were promissed it released yesterday, I dont care if he doesnt want to work on weekends, ignore post production then and release the video raw. Here in the starcraft community we are used to streams and instant uploaded vods, and if MGL cant even upload a youtube video in less than 24 hours I gotta say you will fail in making any decent tournaments for SC2 because frankly no one cares about MGL "quality standards" all we want is quality games that are quick and easy to follow, with no delay and no burocracy (and no power outages) I used to follow the wow pro scene when I first began, team pandemic following it on gotfrag and etc... And it was the biggest fail I have ever seen in my life, not only the game was really hard to follow because theres no observer interface. But also they had casters that didnt knew wtf was going on, even some of the "pro teams" of players playing had never touched the game until fnatic told them to play in the tournament. The way the game was set up with players having to connect to korean servers to play, it was all a huge assed fail, a failure so obvious and so deep, that only a company that doesnt care about its product and only about its revenous would be organizing it. Its no wonder MGL biggest game is Halo 3, only that shallow of a game with a huge legion of blind fanboys could really withstand the terrible terrible damage that MGL autofail inflicts upon the game. I WANT MY VODS NOW YOU HEAR ME /rant | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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father_mitch
United States48 Posts
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
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trancey
United States430 Posts
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Wedge
Canada580 Posts
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baeracaed
United States604 Posts
On March 01 2010 09:04 Teejing wrote: MLG never announced this match, i doubt day was supposed to reveal the event.... Our friend trance announced this game would be streamed 2 days before this thread was even created. http://starfeeder.gameriot.com/blogs/The-Starfeed/Trance-on-Starfeeder-SC2-Beta-and-SC2-Patch-Notes-Impressions-Would-you-have-paid-this-for-StarCraft-2-Beta | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
The only community slightly comparable to TL out of the major gaming communities is probably Q3 and ESReality, but the numbers here are much, much greater than over there and the enthusiasm is spread a lot further. The guy who's probably doing it doesn't like working on weekends, so give him a break. This is not an answer that will cut it, especially given TL just concluded a $20,000 tournament this weekend only with the help of dozens of unpaid volunteers. | ||
thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On March 01 2010 09:06 trancey wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 08:50 father_mitch wrote: Hm, well, thanks to the MLG guy posting more info here, but they need to look at things like Diggity's finals meetups if they think a major starcraft event will only draw 100 spectators. Minor, community-run events with minimal publicity can already blow that number out of the water. Starcraft and Stracraft 2 are not comparable to WoW in any way. I'm talking about LAN spectators, our online viewer statistics have recorded Esports records in terms of viewers. Do you know anything about the VODs in question? I doubt anyone cares at all about the alleged popularity of competitive WoW... | ||
father_mitch
United States48 Posts
On March 01 2010 09:06 trancey wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2010 08:50 father_mitch wrote: Hm, well, thanks to the MLG guy posting more info here, but they need to look at things like Diggity's finals meetups if they think a major starcraft event will only draw 100 spectators. Minor, community-run events with minimal publicity can already blow that number out of the water. Starcraft and Stracraft 2 are not comparable to WoW in any way. I'm talking about LAN spectators, our online viewer statistics have recorded Esports records in terms of viewers. Yes, I'm also talking about LAN spectators. Well, in-person spectators consider the actual LAN was in Korea. | ||
father_mitch
United States48 Posts
On March 01 2010 09:09 Jibba wrote: I'm curious how much research MLG has done on SC before deciding to get into this. o.o The only community slightly comparable to TL out of the major gaming communities is probably Q3 and ESReality, but the numbers here are much, much greater than over there and the enthusiasm is spread a lot further. Show nested quote + This is not an answer that will cut it, especially given TL just concluded a $20,000 tournament this weekend only with the help of dozens of unpaid volunteers.The guy who's probably doing it doesn't like working on weekends, so give him a break. Not to mention the TSL also had more than 20,000 online spectators according to Day. Trance's record breaking online spectator numbers really aren't impressing me that much. Edit: Again, a COMMUNITY-RUN event comprised of volunteers, not even a major company that should supposedly have their crap together. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On March 01 2010 09:02 Bill Murray wrote: MLG is making a terrible image of itself to the starcraft community by delaying a good and awaited event. I have no specific view of MLG either way, but this thread makes it look pretty bad. The discussion was your basic corporate bashing until trancey came in and started talking about how WoW events only bring in 100 spectators. How many spectators does Farmville bring in? Lulz. Seriously though, there are probably more people on ICCUP at its busiest than watching a WoW PvP stream. A huge portion of WoW players not only do not participate in PvP but also detest its effect on the rest of the game (and therefore it as well). So 'WoW PvP' and 'eleventy billion subscribers' should never be in the same sentence because they simply do not correlate. Starcraft on the other hand, has a completely 'self-made' community of hardcore gamers and hardcore spectators. That's without the influx of popularity from SCII. When SCII comes around, there's going to be a lot of very competitive people including celebrities like old progamers. In summary, trancey's post was pretty short-sighted. | ||
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