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I think you guys are all missing the point, we no longer have to listen to Metallica play before every game anymore. I think everyone, skt1 and hwaseung fan alike, can appreciate this.
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On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today.
That's a pretty moronic statement. Unless you're talking about losing to Hyuk, which was a straight up build order loss (though I agree I have no idea why he went 12 hatch, though we all know that's jaedong's one weakness: losing the games that aren't 100% critical for winning, then realizing he needs to play better, like how he loses the first 1-2 games in finals), let me just say this:
Fantasy, oov, and Boxer all worked for god knows how long, specifically for that exact map against jaedong and no one else to make sure fantasy would beat him. I don't know about you, but if three masterminds all were conspiring for days beforehand to ensure Michael Jordon wouldn't make an exact specific shot in the finals, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't make it either. Jaedong didn't "drop the ball" at all. With that sort of planning to beat him, I'm pretty sure nobody, ever, no matter how good, or how bonjwa, would have been able to easily handle that. You need to give the kid a break. It should be showing how fucking amazing he is at the game that they needed to put in all that work to beat him. They KNEW Fantasy couldn't straight up beat him. I'm pretty sure that DOES make him a hero and an amazing player. Now we just have to all hope that he can ascend even further into an amazing player and overcome this trio of masterminds conspiring to beat him for the OSL, too. And I have faith that he can.
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On August 09 2009 07:52 Alsar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today. That's a pretty moronic statement. Unless you're talking about losing to Hyuk, which was a straight up build order loss (though I agree I have no idea why he went 12 hatch, though we all know that's jaedong's one weakness: losing the games that aren't 100% critical for winning, then realizing he needs to play better, like how he loses the first 1-2 games in finals), let me just say this: Fantasy, oov, and Boxer all worked for god knows how long, specifically for that exact map against jaedong and no one else to make sure fantasy would beat him. I don't know about you, but if three masterminds all were conspiring for days beforehand to ensure Michael Jordon wouldn't make an exact specific shot in the finals, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't make it either. Jaedong didn't "drop the ball" at all. With that sort of planning to beat him, I'm pretty sure nobody, ever, no matter how good, or how bonjwa, would have been able to easily handle that. You need to give the kid a break. It should be showing how fucking amazing he is at the game that they needed to put in all that work to beat him. They KNEW Fantasy couldn't straight up beat him. I'm pretty sure that DOES make him a hero and an amazing player. Now we just have to all hope that he can ascend even further into an amazing player and overcome this trio of masterminds conspiring to beat him for the OSL, too. And I have faith that he can.
Yea, Fantasy couldn't straight up beat Jae- Wait, WHAT?! He straight-up beat Jaedong in a 30+ minute game on day one? WHAT?!
By the way, your "3 masterminds" theory doesn't take into account all the other losses he's had.
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Both of you are very bad at arguing. Neither of you will convince each other, nor have an impact on the majority of the Korean community who believe that JD's a bonjwa if and only if he wins both leagues.
It's clear from both of your posts that biased.
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On August 09 2009 07:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 07:52 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today. That's a pretty moronic statement. Unless you're talking about losing to Hyuk, which was a straight up build order loss (though I agree I have no idea why he went 12 hatch, though we all know that's jaedong's one weakness: losing the games that aren't 100% critical for winning, then realizing he needs to play better, like how he loses the first 1-2 games in finals), let me just say this: Fantasy, oov, and Boxer all worked for god knows how long, specifically for that exact map against jaedong and no one else to make sure fantasy would beat him. I don't know about you, but if three masterminds all were conspiring for days beforehand to ensure Michael Jordon wouldn't make an exact specific shot in the finals, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't make it either. Jaedong didn't "drop the ball" at all. With that sort of planning to beat him, I'm pretty sure nobody, ever, no matter how good, or how bonjwa, would have been able to easily handle that. You need to give the kid a break. It should be showing how fucking amazing he is at the game that they needed to put in all that work to beat him. They KNEW Fantasy couldn't straight up beat him. I'm pretty sure that DOES make him a hero and an amazing player. Now we just have to all hope that he can ascend even further into an amazing player and overcome this trio of masterminds conspiring to beat him for the OSL, too. And I have faith that he can. Yea, Fantasy couldn't straight up beat Jae- Wait, WHAT?! He straight-up beat Jaedong in a 30+ minute game on day one? WHAT?! By the way, your "3 masterminds" theory doesn't take into account all the other losses he's had.
He didn't play straight up. He cheesed Jaedong, failed the cheese, then proceeded to win any way.
So clearly that means he can't beat Jaedong straight up, because he has to rely on failing cheeses to win games [/sarcasm]
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On August 09 2009 07:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 07:52 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today. That's a pretty moronic statement. Unless you're talking about losing to Hyuk, which was a straight up build order loss (though I agree I have no idea why he went 12 hatch, though we all know that's jaedong's one weakness: losing the games that aren't 100% critical for winning, then realizing he needs to play better, like how he loses the first 1-2 games in finals), let me just say this: Fantasy, oov, and Boxer all worked for god knows how long, specifically for that exact map against jaedong and no one else to make sure fantasy would beat him. I don't know about you, but if three masterminds all were conspiring for days beforehand to ensure Michael Jordon wouldn't make an exact specific shot in the finals, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't make it either. Jaedong didn't "drop the ball" at all. With that sort of planning to beat him, I'm pretty sure nobody, ever, no matter how good, or how bonjwa, would have been able to easily handle that. You need to give the kid a break. It should be showing how fucking amazing he is at the game that they needed to put in all that work to beat him. They KNEW Fantasy couldn't straight up beat him. I'm pretty sure that DOES make him a hero and an amazing player. Now we just have to all hope that he can ascend even further into an amazing player and overcome this trio of masterminds conspiring to beat him for the OSL, too. And I have faith that he can. Yea, Fantasy couldn't straight up beat Jae- Wait, WHAT?! He straight-up beat Jaedong in a 30+ minute game on day one? WHAT?! By the way, your "3 masterminds" theory doesn't take into account all the other losses he's had.
If 8rax into 2. rax after depot is standard to you, no comment.
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On August 09 2009 07:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 07:52 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today. That's a pretty moronic statement. Unless you're talking about losing to Hyuk, which was a straight up build order loss (though I agree I have no idea why he went 12 hatch, though we all know that's jaedong's one weakness: losing the games that aren't 100% critical for winning, then realizing he needs to play better, like how he loses the first 1-2 games in finals), let me just say this: Fantasy, oov, and Boxer all worked for god knows how long, specifically for that exact map against jaedong and no one else to make sure fantasy would beat him. I don't know about you, but if three masterminds all were conspiring for days beforehand to ensure Michael Jordon wouldn't make an exact specific shot in the finals, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't make it either. Jaedong didn't "drop the ball" at all. With that sort of planning to beat him, I'm pretty sure nobody, ever, no matter how good, or how bonjwa, would have been able to easily handle that. You need to give the kid a break. It should be showing how fucking amazing he is at the game that they needed to put in all that work to beat him. They KNEW Fantasy couldn't straight up beat him. I'm pretty sure that DOES make him a hero and an amazing player. Now we just have to all hope that he can ascend even further into an amazing player and overcome this trio of masterminds conspiring to beat him for the OSL, too. And I have faith that he can. Yea, Fantasy couldn't straight up beat Jae- Wait, WHAT?! He straight-up beat Jaedong in a 30+ minute game on day one? WHAT?! By the way, your "3 masterminds" theory doesn't take into account all the other losses he's had.
Because every bonjwa in the past was 100% in every matchup right? Oh wait.
And if I honestly have to rephrase it, fine. They knew he couldn't easily beat him with straight up play and knew that this would give them a largely better chance to win.
Also it's not a theory. Go read the winners interview.
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Wow. Jaedong going 0-3.... I think there was too much pressure on him?
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On August 09 2009 08:06 Alsar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 07:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 09 2009 07:52 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today. That's a pretty moronic statement. Unless you're talking about losing to Hyuk, which was a straight up build order loss (though I agree I have no idea why he went 12 hatch, though we all know that's jaedong's one weakness: losing the games that aren't 100% critical for winning, then realizing he needs to play better, like how he loses the first 1-2 games in finals), let me just say this: Fantasy, oov, and Boxer all worked for god knows how long, specifically for that exact map against jaedong and no one else to make sure fantasy would beat him. I don't know about you, but if three masterminds all were conspiring for days beforehand to ensure Michael Jordon wouldn't make an exact specific shot in the finals, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't make it either. Jaedong didn't "drop the ball" at all. With that sort of planning to beat him, I'm pretty sure nobody, ever, no matter how good, or how bonjwa, would have been able to easily handle that. You need to give the kid a break. It should be showing how fucking amazing he is at the game that they needed to put in all that work to beat him. They KNEW Fantasy couldn't straight up beat him. I'm pretty sure that DOES make him a hero and an amazing player. Now we just have to all hope that he can ascend even further into an amazing player and overcome this trio of masterminds conspiring to beat him for the OSL, too. And I have faith that he can. Yea, Fantasy couldn't straight up beat Jae- Wait, WHAT?! He straight-up beat Jaedong in a 30+ minute game on day one? WHAT?! By the way, your "3 masterminds" theory doesn't take into account all the other losses he's had. Because every bonjwa in the past was 100% in every matchup right? Oh wait. And if I honestly have to rephrase it, fine. They knew he couldn't easily beat him with straight up play and knew that this would give them a largely better chance to win. Also it's not a theory. Go read the winners interview.
It's true, even Hyuk cheesed against Jaedong by going 9pool, and as we all know, 9pool in ZvZ is definitely cheese, especially if you 9pool against a 12hatch.
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On August 09 2009 07:59 Shikyo wrote:
If 8rax into 2. rax after depot is standard to you, no comment.
he didnt go 8 rax, it was 9 :p
nvm though, can anyone explain to me what all this "jd is bonjwa yes/noe" is about? i dont get it tbh, its just a title right? like.. the fame winning the golden mouse, but without the golden mouse? then why does it matter? and why is there always a discussion if he is a "bonjwa" or not when there is not even (as far as i see it) a definition of what a bonjwa is..
im sorry, but i just dont get it ;(
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On August 09 2009 08:09 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 08:06 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 07:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 09 2009 07:52 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today. That's a pretty moronic statement. Unless you're talking about losing to Hyuk, which was a straight up build order loss (though I agree I have no idea why he went 12 hatch, though we all know that's jaedong's one weakness: losing the games that aren't 100% critical for winning, then realizing he needs to play better, like how he loses the first 1-2 games in finals), let me just say this: Fantasy, oov, and Boxer all worked for god knows how long, specifically for that exact map against jaedong and no one else to make sure fantasy would beat him. I don't know about you, but if three masterminds all were conspiring for days beforehand to ensure Michael Jordon wouldn't make an exact specific shot in the finals, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't make it either. Jaedong didn't "drop the ball" at all. With that sort of planning to beat him, I'm pretty sure nobody, ever, no matter how good, or how bonjwa, would have been able to easily handle that. You need to give the kid a break. It should be showing how fucking amazing he is at the game that they needed to put in all that work to beat him. They KNEW Fantasy couldn't straight up beat him. I'm pretty sure that DOES make him a hero and an amazing player. Now we just have to all hope that he can ascend even further into an amazing player and overcome this trio of masterminds conspiring to beat him for the OSL, too. And I have faith that he can. Yea, Fantasy couldn't straight up beat Jae- Wait, WHAT?! He straight-up beat Jaedong in a 30+ minute game on day one? WHAT?! By the way, your "3 masterminds" theory doesn't take into account all the other losses he's had. Because every bonjwa in the past was 100% in every matchup right? Oh wait. And if I honestly have to rephrase it, fine. They knew he couldn't easily beat him with straight up play and knew that this would give them a largely better chance to win. Also it's not a theory. Go read the winners interview. It's true, even Hyuk cheesed against Jaedong by going 9pool, and as we all know, 9pool in ZvZ is definitely cheese, especially if you 9pool against a 12hatch.
What? What does that have to do with my post at all lol. I'm talking about the ace match.
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On August 09 2009 08:13 Alsar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 08:09 Kyo Yuy wrote:On August 09 2009 08:06 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 07:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 09 2009 07:52 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today. That's a pretty moronic statement. Unless you're talking about losing to Hyuk, which was a straight up build order loss (though I agree I have no idea why he went 12 hatch, though we all know that's jaedong's one weakness: losing the games that aren't 100% critical for winning, then realizing he needs to play better, like how he loses the first 1-2 games in finals), let me just say this: Fantasy, oov, and Boxer all worked for god knows how long, specifically for that exact map against jaedong and no one else to make sure fantasy would beat him. I don't know about you, but if three masterminds all were conspiring for days beforehand to ensure Michael Jordon wouldn't make an exact specific shot in the finals, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't make it either. Jaedong didn't "drop the ball" at all. With that sort of planning to beat him, I'm pretty sure nobody, ever, no matter how good, or how bonjwa, would have been able to easily handle that. You need to give the kid a break. It should be showing how fucking amazing he is at the game that they needed to put in all that work to beat him. They KNEW Fantasy couldn't straight up beat him. I'm pretty sure that DOES make him a hero and an amazing player. Now we just have to all hope that he can ascend even further into an amazing player and overcome this trio of masterminds conspiring to beat him for the OSL, too. And I have faith that he can. Yea, Fantasy couldn't straight up beat Jae- Wait, WHAT?! He straight-up beat Jaedong in a 30+ minute game on day one? WHAT?! By the way, your "3 masterminds" theory doesn't take into account all the other losses he's had. Because every bonjwa in the past was 100% in every matchup right? Oh wait. And if I honestly have to rephrase it, fine. They knew he couldn't easily beat him with straight up play and knew that this would give them a largely better chance to win. Also it's not a theory. Go read the winners interview. It's true, even Hyuk cheesed against Jaedong by going 9pool, and as we all know, 9pool in ZvZ is definitely cheese, especially if you 9pool against a 12hatch. What? What does that have to do with my post at all lol. I'm talking about the ace match.
I was referring to the fact that no one on SKT can beat Jaedong straight up, so I was referring to all the cheeses that SKT used to beat him, including 9pool ZvZ.
Also, even though Fantasy's cheese on day 1 failed, the psychological damage that Jaedong suffered from completely crippling a cheese was so great that he proceeded to throw the game any way.
I agree, Fantasy can't beat Jaedong straight up. He has to fail his cheese first before he can. And winning after a failed cheese, is itself, cheese. Obviously.
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On August 09 2009 08:16 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 08:13 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 08:09 Kyo Yuy wrote:On August 09 2009 08:06 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 07:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 09 2009 07:52 Alsar wrote:On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today. That's a pretty moronic statement. Unless you're talking about losing to Hyuk, which was a straight up build order loss (though I agree I have no idea why he went 12 hatch, though we all know that's jaedong's one weakness: losing the games that aren't 100% critical for winning, then realizing he needs to play better, like how he loses the first 1-2 games in finals), let me just say this: Fantasy, oov, and Boxer all worked for god knows how long, specifically for that exact map against jaedong and no one else to make sure fantasy would beat him. I don't know about you, but if three masterminds all were conspiring for days beforehand to ensure Michael Jordon wouldn't make an exact specific shot in the finals, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't make it either. Jaedong didn't "drop the ball" at all. With that sort of planning to beat him, I'm pretty sure nobody, ever, no matter how good, or how bonjwa, would have been able to easily handle that. You need to give the kid a break. It should be showing how fucking amazing he is at the game that they needed to put in all that work to beat him. They KNEW Fantasy couldn't straight up beat him. I'm pretty sure that DOES make him a hero and an amazing player. Now we just have to all hope that he can ascend even further into an amazing player and overcome this trio of masterminds conspiring to beat him for the OSL, too. And I have faith that he can. Yea, Fantasy couldn't straight up beat Jae- Wait, WHAT?! He straight-up beat Jaedong in a 30+ minute game on day one? WHAT?! By the way, your "3 masterminds" theory doesn't take into account all the other losses he's had. Because every bonjwa in the past was 100% in every matchup right? Oh wait. And if I honestly have to rephrase it, fine. They knew he couldn't easily beat him with straight up play and knew that this would give them a largely better chance to win. Also it's not a theory. Go read the winners interview. It's true, even Hyuk cheesed against Jaedong by going 9pool, and as we all know, 9pool in ZvZ is definitely cheese, especially if you 9pool against a 12hatch. What? What does that have to do with my post at all lol. I'm talking about the ace match. I was referring to the fact that no one on SKT can beat Jaedong straight up, so I was referring to all the cheeses that SKT used to beat him, including 9pool ZvZ. Also, even though Fantasy's cheese on day 1 failed, the psychological damage that Jaedong suffered from completely crippling a cheese was so great that he proceeded to throw the game any way. I agree, Fantasy can't beat Jaedong straight up. He has to fail his cheese first before he can. And winning after a failed cheese, is itself, cheese. Obviously.
I still don't understand what you're trying to prove. I already corrected myself in my earlier statement if you could refer to that please. All I was even trying to do in my original post is calm that one guy down from saying jaedong isn't good and is a terrible player, then I get all these rampant SKT fans mobbing me with witty sarcastic remarks when I wasn't even intending to bash SKT in the first place.  I thought calling them masterminds would have helped a bit at least but I guess not.
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SKT1 hasn't won an OSL in a long time. Let them be happy with this proleague victory and claim that Jaedong sucks with their witty sarcasm all they want. 
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On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today.
Ahhh, a bonjwa, by definition, would've carried his team to a proleague win?
Saviour, anyone?
You sound like you have no clue what you're talking about, and act as if best player = bonjwa.
JD is no bonjwa but losing 0-3 sure as hell doesn't mean he isn't still the best player in the world.
On August 09 2009 07:33 niteReloaded wrote:
Jaedong maybe is the best player, but he's not the most gifted with purest SC talent.
When SC2 comes out, I wouldn't bet my money on Jaedong winning the early leagues.
Fantasy > Jaedong in that aspect, he sees the matrix.
Yeah right, fantasys pure talent > Jaedongs pure talent?
Dude, fantasy is as good as it is cause he gets all these amazing strategies from boxer and oov, what does that have to do with pure talent? Or "seeing the matrix"?
Jaedong meanwhile doesn't have anyone to support him in the way the SKT terrans do.
Not that fantasy isn't extremely talented but that post is still bs.
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Wow this win was so epic, to me the whole win, especially the last game felt like a massive sign from boxer "hey i'm back, look what me and my team can do".
Such a touching last game to win it on, a tactic from the father of skt1.. boxer.
Wow.
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This bonjwa discussion is absolutely sickening...
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On August 09 2009 07:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2009 06:48 BanZu wrote:On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.
The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today. If only it could be settled as easily as that. It is, especially if he's knocked out of either remaining individual league. He's dropped the ball so many times and we've chalked it up to tiredness or any other bullshit excuse that it's getting ridiculous. He was 0-2'd by Effort, beaten by Orion AND Hyuk, and he was beaten by Fantasy, twice. There is NO CHANCE that he can be considered a Bonjwa now, dropping that many games, especially to scrubs in a matchup where he's supposed to be a god.
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The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today.
JD fans are going to backlash and defend him. :o
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If you have to argue whether someone is a Bonjwa - he isn't. End of discussion. When Savior was Bonjwa there was no discussion, everyone understood he just "is". The arguments you guys are making are nonsense. Just stop.
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