EPT[SPL] Grand Final - SK Telecom T1 vs Hwaseung Oz - Day 2 -…
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On August 09 2009 11:04 mrgerry wrote: Kind of odd how the most entertaining games were Canata/Backho and Lomo/Best, pretty disappointing when i go from HOLY SHIT FANTASY V JAEDONG REMATCH into oh 2rax -.- Someone tell Bisu to stop being cheesy I want to watch him play standard one day. Bisu's lost all confidence in his PvT after practicing with Fantasy so much XD Honestly though I think Bisu might have cheesed on day 2 at the advice of his coaches. Bisu doesn't really need to cheese in PvP - he's arguably the strongest PvP in the proscene right now and while he isn't godlike at the mirror matchup like Jaedong is at ZvZ, he's still a clear cut above the other Protosses. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 09 2009 11:23 Kyo Yuy wrote: Bisu's lost all confidence in his PvT after practicing with Fantasy so much XD Honestly though I think Bisu might have cheesed on day 2 at the advice of his coaches. Bisu doesn't really need to cheese in PvP - he's arguably the strongest PvP in the proscene right now and while he isn't godlike at the mirror matchup like Jaedong is at ZvZ, he's still a clear cut above the other Protosses. So Godlike that he went 0-2 against Effort and lost to Orion and Hyuk. Definitely not exactly godlike anymore. | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On August 09 2009 12:44 Stratos_speAr wrote: So Godlike that he went 0-2 against Effort and lost to Orion and Hyuk. Definitely not exactly godlike anymore. Never mind I don't want to start an argument but I'll just say that you have to consider how he lost the games. In none of those games did he really get out-microed or anything. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
This indeed reminds me of Boxer. Brilliant play, he didn't even need a bunker to finish it off. SKT <3 | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
too bad they didnt use boxer in the ace match that woulda been cool -_- | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
On August 09 2009 10:56 3 Lions wrote: no one in the history of StarCraft has won 3 leagues at the same time and there are still 3/4 bonjwas (does Boxer count?). Let OSL and MSL play out and see how Jaedong does. Long ago (2004ish) I don't think it was possible because the 3 leagues were always seperated? oov did win OSL/MBCteamleague in the same month, but the closest MSL final was 3 months apart (which he won) so technically he did win all 3 | ||
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slvcadv
United States43 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
1) He is God of Medusa (and Neo), but wasn't chosen. 2) He just 2-0ed fantasy (Avalon), who was chosen. 3) JD was rattled and vulnerable, but the glory of the knockout punch was handed away. 4) He was the best player on their team all season, but was turned into a safety net. Basically, the SKT terran bonjwa hype machine can run on all cylinders now (more so), with fantasy's gameplay including Oov's macro and Boxer's disturbingly excusable cheese builds, I mean, err, brilliance. I think Bisu was snubbed for this very reason. It was win-win for SKT: send out fantasy as the glorious terran hero, and if he fails, they can just send out their best player, that one guy um... Pea Soup? No, wait, no... Ah, what do they care; he's not a terran. I feel worse for Bisu than I do for Jaedong. Jaedong just flamed out/choked/got handled/whatever after carrying his team to the finals. You can't throw much pity at 0-3. But Bisu did everything for his team and got snubbed, no doubt with a little influence from STK's  returning meal ticket and their beloved coach. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On August 09 2009 13:55 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Bisu was pissed because: 1) He is God of Medusa (and Neo), but wasn't chosen. 2) He just 2-0ed fantasy (Avalon), who was chosen. 3) JD was rattled and vulnerable, but the glory of the knockout punch was handed away. 4) He was the best player on their team all season, but was turned into a safety net. Basically, the SKT terran bonjwa hype machine can run on all cylinders now (more so), with fantasy's gameplay including Oov's macro and Boxer's disturbingly excusable cheese builds, I mean, err, brilliance. I think Bisu was snubbed for this very reason. It was win-win for SKT: send out fantasy as the glorious terran hero, and if he fails, they can just send out their best player, that one guy um... Pea Soup? No, wait, no... Ah, what do they care; he's not a terran. I feel worse for Bisu than I do for Jaedong. Jaedong just flamed out/choked/got handled/whatever after carrying his team to the finals. You can't throw much pity at 0-3. But Bisu did everything for his team and got snubbed, no doubt with a little influence from STK's returning meal ticket and their beloved coach.Bisu apparently was their pick for Super Ace, if it went that far, so its not like Bisu got snubbed. Super Ace>Ace, right? | ||
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Zinfandel
Canada115 Posts
On August 09 2009 13:58 Sentenal wrote: Bisu apparently was their pick for Super Ace, if it went that far, so its not like Bisu got snubbed. Super Ace>Ace, right? Also: SKT won... how can you feel sorry for anyone on the winning team? | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On August 09 2009 12:44 Stratos_speAr wrote: So Godlike that he went 0-2 against Effort and lost to Orion and Hyuk. Definitely not exactly godlike anymore. I am gagging over your posts. :D Oh btw, Effort isn't even A-class anymore, right? Also, I'll mention it again. Bisu is far more clutch than Fantasy, who hasn't shown to be really good or really bad under pressure. However, Fantasy's play is far better when he's calm, so that's why Fantasy was sent first. | ||
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Railz
United States1449 Posts
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Railz
United States1449 Posts
On August 09 2009 13:07 Freezard wrote: Jaedong must have been soooo nervous. I mean Fantasy didn't even make a wall-in, there was a gap open for a supply depot... couldn't Jaedong figure out something was going on, especially when he sees a couple marines out in the open? Doesn't make sense. This indeed reminds me of Boxer. Brilliant play, he didn't even need a bunker to finish it off. SKT <3 He only saw 2 marines. When he spotted the middle marines they were already killing his overlord. It was over by then; no sunkens. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
On August 09 2009 15:06 Railz wrote: He only saw 2 marines. When he spotted the middle marines they were already killing his overlord. It was over by then; no sunkens. That's what I mean... he only saw two marines and no wall-in, so instead of putting down some sunks thinking he's hiding marines somewhere or a proxy factory, he tries to send lings into Fantasy's base thinking he is some D- player who has two marines outside his base waiting to get killed? No then he sees the marines killing his overlord, and just after that he puts down sunks and retreats his lings. | ||
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
On August 09 2009 01:24 o3.power91 wrote: Hahaha I remember PL Grand Finals of Khan vs Oz where Jaedong was the only loss Oz had Can this be a new curse.......the JAEDONG curse? | ||
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C[SCL]
Philippines576 Posts
On August 09 2009 13:55 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Bisu was pissed because: 1) He is God of Medusa (and Neo), but wasn't chosen. 2) He just 2-0ed fantasy (Avalon), who was chosen. 3) JD was rattled and vulnerable, but the glory of the knockout punch was handed away. 4) He was the best player on their team all season, but was turned into a safety net. Basically, the SKT terran bonjwa hype machine can run on all cylinders now (more so), with fantasy's gameplay including Oov's macro and Boxer's disturbingly excusable cheese builds, I mean, err, brilliance. I think Bisu was snubbed for this very reason. It was win-win for SKT: send out fantasy as the glorious terran hero, and if he fails, they can just send out their best player, that one guy um... Pea Soup? No, wait, no... Ah, what do they care; he's not a terran. I feel worse for Bisu than I do for Jaedong. Jaedong just flamed out/choked/got handled/whatever after carrying his team to the finals. You can't throw much pity at 0-3. But Bisu did everything for his team and got snubbed, no doubt with a little influence from STK's returning meal ticket and their beloved coach.Do you have proof that he was pissed? I am a rabid Bisu fanboy, but I for one know that he won't be that selfish. Besides, the coach himself said that Bisu was the one who was going to be sent out on the super ace match. If fantasy loses everyone will be like, "oh he choked" and then Bisu takes all the credit. Whereas, if fantasy wins, he gets much deserved credit while Bisu is still acknowledged as being their super ace. lol | ||
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Railz
United States1449 Posts
On August 09 2009 15:53 Freezard wrote: That's what I mean... he only saw two marines and no wall-in, so instead of putting down some sunks thinking he's hiding marines somewhere or a proxy factory, he tries to send lings into Fantasy's base thinking he is some D- player who has two marines outside his base waiting to get killed? No then he sees the marines killing his overlord, and just after that he puts down sunks and retreats his lings. well he saw the wall-in being made; it just wasn't finished. It isn't far fetched to think that a player like Fantasy would op to FE so JD went with the dice and tried to timing push with Fast mutas and Fantasy punished him for it, nothing more or less. | ||
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