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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On August 09 2009 12:44 Stratos_speAr wrote: So Godlike that he went 0-2 against Effort and lost to Orion and Hyuk. Definitely not exactly godlike anymore. you're fucking dumb. he still has a 75%+ win rate against zerg. that's insane HERP DERP JD LOSES A FEW GAMES HES NO LONGER GOOD LOL | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On August 09 2009 16:48 lazz wrote: you're fucking dumb. he still has a 75%+ win rate against zerg. that's insane HERP DERP JD LOSES A FEW GAMES HES NO LONGER GOOD LOL to be fair he said not godlike, not no longer good but still jaedong is the best at ZvZ | ||
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dongfeng
731 Posts
On August 09 2009 16:36 Railz wrote: well he saw the wall-in being made; it just wasn't finished. It isn't far fetched to think that a player like Fantasy would op to FE so JD went with the dice and tried to timing push with Fast mutas and Fantasy punished him for it, nothing more or less. exactly. there was a timing when jedong could have used larvae for ling but he decided to go for his original gameplan...im sure there was a factor of "i'll rape this guy with mutas as a finisher" | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On August 09 2009 13:55 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Bisu was pissed because: 1) He is God of Medusa (and Neo), but wasn't chosen. 2) He just 2-0ed fantasy (Avalon), who was chosen. 3) JD was rattled and vulnerable, but the glory of the knockout punch was handed away. 4) He was the best player on their team all season, but was turned into a safety net. Basically, the SKT terran bonjwa hype machine can run on all cylinders now (more so), with fantasy's gameplay including Oov's macro and Boxer's disturbingly excusable cheese builds, I mean, err, brilliance. I think Bisu was snubbed for this very reason. It was win-win for SKT: send out fantasy as the glorious terran hero, and if he fails, they can just send out their best player, that one guy um... Pea Soup? No, wait, no... Ah, what do they care; he's not a terran. I feel worse for Bisu than I do for Jaedong. Jaedong just flamed out/choked/got handled/whatever after carrying his team to the finals. You can't throw much pity at 0-3. But Bisu did everything for his team and got snubbed, no doubt with a little influence from STK's  returning meal ticket and their beloved coach.lol, retarded fanboyism at its best. If bisu really was pissed then he's a selfish dick. But I bet he isn't at all, he just won the fucking grand finals, and you're just pulling your statements out of your ass. But ok, go cry for pooooor bisu. On August 09 2009 12:44 Stratos_speAr wrote: So Godlike that he went 0-2 against Effort and lost to Orion and Hyuk. Definitely not exactly godlike anymore. Lol, over such a period of time, if winning as many games as Jaedong does ZvZ doesn't impress you then i suppose nobody was ever dominant at anything. | ||
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isbunk
Sweden1017 Posts
On August 09 2009 16:48 lazz wrote: you're fucking dumb. he still has a 75%+ win rate against zerg. that's insane HERP DERP JD LOSES A FEW GAMES HES NO LONGER GOOD LOL I dont think that jd suck but still, if a player is "bad", he goes into a slump. 3-game slump is not that good, even though u've PREVIOUSLY been awesome. I just mean u can't really argue that he was this and that. Now the way JD lost the games in tells me he's still number one, bad decision with the build vs hyuk on that map is bad, not winning the first game vs fantasy is bad, when he was in lead. The last game was out of his hands imo. | ||
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bao235
Norway97 Posts
On August 08 2009 22:59 Zona wrote: I don't get why everyone dislikes "cheese" so much - if you're a strong player, you need to be able to deal with it, crush it. Smart fast attack builds need to be done every so often to keep the game interesting/unpredictable. 100 % agreed. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
k thx | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
Great games, when I saw the bunker rush I just smiled and thought "Boxer" :D I'm sad that Jaedong lost but happy that Fantasy and SKT1 won. Although I'll admit everything seemed to be going right for Fantasy in his games against Jaedong, he still played brilliant strategy and caught Jaedong totally by surprise with his tank "boom" in the first game and his 2rax in the second. Also the Lomo vs. Best game was epic. Good game! I'm really glad that the team with the most depth won the series, now all the "format sucks" people can shut up. A team that relies on one player will always be weaker then deep teams because anyone can wake up on the wrong side of the bed one day. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On August 09 2009 05:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Except that Savior was still completely dominating, and when he went up against someone, everyone expected and knew he would win. Jaedong isn't even CLOSE to that. He's dropped multiple games against the likes of Orion and Hyuk, and he definitely isn't favored and heavily expected to win against the likes of Flash, Bisu, and Fantasy. I feel that we may see some kind of hiatus from Jaedong soon. It seems that he's just burning out way too much. I think you are remembering this time with rose tinted glasses. Go back and look at his results from then, he still dropped games all the time. The percentages are probably similar to Jaedong's. Not to mention he's playing way more games. More this year so far than the whole of Saviors 2006. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On August 09 2009 21:29 iamho wrote: bisu has to be a little pissed, hes out of the individual leagues and only got to play a single game in POs against a b-teamer. what other S-class player would be in a similar situation? Celebrate like everyone else because their team just won the final? Seriously, Bisu has been SKT's powerhouse for the whole season. He bagged over 30 wins for SKT and that's one of the very reasons why they were standing there on the stage as one of the two finalists. Sure fantasy might steal the spotlight for being the guy who sealed the deal in an ace match. But every single SKT's fan out there will never neglect the huge contribution by Bisu. I don't know Bisu personally but I don't think he's the kind of guy that put his personal interest above the whole team's. I'm sure he is as happy as anyone else in the team because it wasn't just a two-BO7 final that mattered, it was the whole season that they have striven to be on top of everyone else. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
Also, I noticed that Hyuk is 3-0 (I think) in playoffs haha. I still remember that super risky ultra rush he pulled off against Shine | ||
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
On August 09 2009 22:22 ArvickHero wrote: Take note that the majority of the wins this finals came from SKT's homegrown talent. Thezerg completely failed (expected) and Bisu did not make much of a presence this final (although he would've been the super ace). Also, I noticed that Hyuk is 3-0 (I think) in playoffs haha. I still remember that super risky ultra rush he pulled off against Shine but nevertheless SK heavily relied on Bisu. 1st to seal the Deal in Day 1, then go get everythign going on Day 2 and to be the Super Ace. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
its getting a bit silly | ||
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
On August 09 2009 22:40 fearus wrote: im 1 of the most die hard bisu fanboys but teamliquid.net has to be renamed to teambisu.net soon because every discussion ends up to bisu somehow even when he really has little involvement with the subject its getting a bit silly not just bisu | ||
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
On August 09 2009 22:40 fearus wrote: im 1 of the most die hard bisu fanboys but teamliquid.net has to be renamed to teambisu.net soon because every discussion ends up to bisu somehow even when he really has little involvement with the subject its getting a bit silly he kicked a B-teamer in about 7min in the nads. Thats all he has done. But with Fantasy he had the most work to do beforehand. Thats pretty undeniable. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 09 2009 16:48 lazz wrote: you're fucking dumb. he still has a 75%+ win rate against zerg. that's insane HERP DERP JD LOSES A FEW GAMES HES NO LONGER GOOD LOL He's been dropping these random games for weeks now. My point is that he's not GODLIKE anymore - it's OBVIOUS that he's definitely beatable. Yes, he's still the best Zerg ever and the best ZvZ'er, but he is clearly mortal, and any moron with an IQ of 50 or more should see that. Never mind I don't want to start an argument but I'll just say that you have to consider how he lost the games. In none of those games did he really get out-microed or anything. He made shitty decisions. That's not an excuse. They were HIS decisions. It doesn't matter if he lost because of macro, micro, bad strategy or just stupid decisions, he still lost and the other player beat him. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On August 09 2009 22:48 SkytoM wrote: he kicked a B-teamer in about 7min in the nads. Thats all he has done. But with Fantasy he had the most work to do beforehand. Thats pretty undeniable. That's just the final itself. How many S/A-Class have got their asses kicked hard by Bisu in the whole season? | ||
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
On August 10 2009 00:12 nayumi wrote: That's just the final itself. How many S/A-Class have got their asses kicked hard by Bisu in the whole season? Obligatory OVER 9000! Glad SKT1 won, it shows that the team with the most depth will win, and it was pretty obvious Oz was lacking that [ Relying HEAVILY on Jaedong for the whole season.] | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On August 09 2009 23:54 Stratos_speAr wrote: He's been dropping these random games for weeks now. My point is that he's not GODLIKE anymore - it's OBVIOUS that he's definitely beatable. Yes, he's still the best Zerg ever and the best ZvZ'er, but he is clearly mortal, and any moron with an IQ of 50 or more should see that. Savior was also definitely beatable during his Bonjwa reign in 2006. Savior's best winning streak as bonjwa was 7 wins, compare that to Jaedong's best streak of 13 wins. I didn't say Jaedong was invincible, I said he's godlike. When I say that, I mean that he can still lose games. If you look at the bottom of that table I showed you, at the peak of Savior's dominance, Savior lost 3 games in a row during the ODT Preliminaries in November of 2006, twice in a row to Child and then once to Yooi. CHILD of all people, who has a win ratio of 34%, which is LOWER than Hyuk's ratio of 41%. Do you also want to say that Savior was not that great in 2006 too? Even a Bonjwa is not LITERALLY INVINCIBLE. Not implying that Jaedong is bonjwa, but even Savior lost to some of the dumbest scrubs during his year of dominance. Jaedong is definitely beatable in ZvZ, yes. Would I ever liquibet anyone else over Jaedong at this point in time? Absolutely not. Jaedong is still the clear favorite in any ZvZ, and YES HE CAN LOSE, but I would still LB someone with a 75+% ZvZ rate over someone like TheZerg, or even Effort. He is godlike in ZvZ because MOST people would even now label him as the clear favorite to win in any given ZvZ. | ||
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