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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On August 09 2009 21:29 iamho wrote: bisu has to be a little pissed, hes out of the individual leagues and only got to play a single game in POs against a b-teamer. what other S-class player would be in a similar situation? What other S-class player is out of every league? D: | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On August 10 2009 10:32 Kyuukyuu wrote: What other S-class player is out of every league? D: Flash and Stork ;-) | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On August 10 2009 09:29 koreasilver wrote: I disagree. I believe you're behind if you 9pool vs 1gate tech. Especially if you got speed first. -_- | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
Stork still counts as S class? Flash is in GOM. | ||
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
On August 10 2009 21:20 Loanshark wrote: Stork still counts as S class? Flash is in GOM. But not in PowerRank  | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
copied from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_rating_systems#Harkness_system Category Rating range Grandmaster 2600 and up Senior master 2400-2599 Master 2200-2399 Expert 2000-2199 Class A 1800-1999 Class B 1600-1799 Class C under 1600 so a class is below 2000. i always thought what you call "s-class" should be "senior master" class, but looking at it now we overgone the "master" and we have many master. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
An S-Class player overall is probably one who's ELO is almost always between 2200 and 2300. This is a fairly exclusive club, but one that applies to about 10 or so players. That sounds appropriate. To say that a player has "S-Class" ability in one match-up, it looks like clearing 2100 is a more reasonable metric. So 2200+ overall, 2100 + for a match-up. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
KeSPA rank is even worse, since they changed it right after saviors dominance and right at the start of bisu's | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
The biggest reason why players today have a higher elo is that they play more games, allowing the elo to more accurately reflect a player's peak. At savior's peak, if he played more games, would he have gotten a higher ELO? Maybe, but only at his very peak, not his era. ELO is not inflationary by nature. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On August 11 2009 06:41 Heimatloser wrote: well well, one could say that there is an a class in chess, and since we have this nice elo system... copied from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_rating_systems#Harkness_system Category Rating range Grandmaster 2600 and up Senior master 2400-2599 Master 2200-2399 Expert 2000-2199 Class A 1800-1999 Class B 1600-1799 Class C under 1600 so a class is below 2000. i always thought what you call "s-class" should be "senior master" class, but looking at it now we overgone the "master" and we have many master. Do it by matchup - 2200. It's not definite, but it's pretty accurate. S-class just means in a league of their own. Anyone with 2200 + in a matchup is going to be in the top 5 or 6 of their race in that matchup of all time (Exception being TvZ - there are 9 Terrans with this). Calling some player S-class overall is really hard, but saying that Bisu has s-class pvp is still a given, and it's apparent that he's still not far off from having S-Class pvz and pvt - 1 or 2 games would ensure it. (he's 2194 in pvt and 2188 in pvz). Same for Yarnc's zvt, JD's zvz, July's ZvP - these are players who are better at these matchups than anyone else playing. (JD is also 2211 in zvp). A player just straight up better in everything, doesn't exist anymore. Also, if they're peaking very close to it like Iris I would say they likely do as well (he's 2190 in TvZ atm). Interestingly enough, the only player at this level in every matchup right now is Flash. It's not really accurate for Fantasy because his Elo is still peaking, and that means that it isn't stable. And his tvp is very close, had he won over Bisu he would definitely be 3rd best tvp of all time - after Flash and oov. Right now there are 2 people 2200+ vs T (Bisu 6 points away), 2 people 2200+ vs Z (Iris 2190, Bisu 2188), and 4 people 2200 + vs P, with fantasy 7 points away- a statement about how poor protoss has done this season. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
so basically we said "s-class of starcraft" is like "chess master", and we dont have any senior masters yet. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On August 11 2009 07:37 Heimatloser wrote: make a new topic regarding this. i actually enjoy reading this;-) so basically we said "s-class of starcraft" is like "chess master", and we dont have any senior masters yet. There was a thread about something like this a while back http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83029 Obviously not up to date, I guess it would be interesting to see what it would look like now. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 11 2009 06:41 Heimatloser wrote: so a class is below 2000. i always thought what you call "s-class" should be "senior master" class, but looking at it now we overgone the "master" and we have many master. The thing is, Elo systems are all different. Different systems have different starting point amounts, maximum points lost, etc, so the categories from chess really don't translate at all to Starcraft. IMO the thread Rostam linked is probably the closest we have to a system for it. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
i mean ELO ratings are really relative to your opponents anyways. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On August 10 2009 21:20 Loanshark wrote: Stork still counts as S class? Flash is in GOM. Stork's recent games were pretty dam good. | ||
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