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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
August 08 2009 21:20 GMT
#2901
On August 09 2009 06:08 iamho wrote:
fun to have such an exciting and hyped PL this year, but I hate fantasy for ending the series with his fucking annoying cheese builds that aren't even original

honestly i used to enjoy watching fantasy going for interesting builds, but what is this crap. his tvz really isnt so bad that he needs to bunker rush every game, but i guess thats the only tvz strat skt1 terrans think they can win with (boxer influence??)

Ho ho ho, not even original? You have got to be kidding me. Viewing it from the outside it's just a bunker rush, but you obviously did not read any comments.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
August 08 2009 21:20 GMT
#2902
Why does the B word show up even when people lose 0-3? That's not a discussion for this thread (or for any, really)
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
gaggar
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada118 Posts
August 08 2009 21:22 GMT
#2903
On August 09 2009 06:08 iamho wrote:
fun to have such an exciting and hyped PL this year, but I hate fantasy for ending the series with his fucking annoying cheese builds that aren't even original

honestly i used to enjoy watching fantasy going for interesting builds, but what is this crap. his tvz really isnt so bad that he needs to bunker rush every game, but i guess thats the only tvz strat skt1 terrans think they can win with (boxer influence??)



unoriginal, but brilliant nonetheless. even showing a fantastic degree of metagame by hanging around oov instead of boxer pre-game to mislead his opponent.

jung laden did rob us of epic games but hey, it's not illegal to rush.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
August 08 2009 21:22 GMT
#2904
On August 09 2009 06:19 Kentor wrote:
oh shit check out the ELO :D

YES FANTASY #2 <3.

I hope Fantasy gets #1 on the Kespa rank some day. As I've stated before, I just love watching Fantasy play :D
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-08 21:42:00
August 08 2009 21:26 GMT
#2905
stop quoting me, i was just fanboy raging 2 minutes after I watched JD lose his third game in this series (watched VODs late)

i still hate skt1 terrans though
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
August 08 2009 21:36 GMT
#2906
On August 09 2009 06:26 iamho wrote:
stop quoting me, i was just fanboy raging 2 minutes after I watched JD lose his third game in this series (watched VODs late)

So, you didn't read the comments then.

I was right.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
August 08 2009 21:36 GMT
#2907
On August 08 2009 22:31 barbahaba0 wrote:
this will be epic!!!!
i'm not kidding both of my hands are on my dick and moving pretty fast
kind of a miracle i can type lol

am i the only one who noticed this post?

grats t1 (but that was a shitty way to end the grand finals)
Zinfandel
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada115 Posts
August 08 2009 21:42 GMT
#2908
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.

The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
August 08 2009 21:48 GMT
#2909
On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.

The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today.

If only it could be settled as easily as that.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
August 08 2009 21:51 GMT
#2910
On August 09 2009 06:48 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.

The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today.

If only it could be settled as easily as that.


If Fantasy beats him in the Semi, I think it is easy as that.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
August 08 2009 21:52 GMT
#2911
Jaedong is still SC's best player you dolts.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
gaggar
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada118 Posts
August 08 2009 21:56 GMT
#2912
On August 09 2009 06:52 SuperJongMan wrote:
Jaedong is still SC's best player you dolts.



even at his old prime matches against some other top players were seen as 50/50.

he's one of the best players.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
August 08 2009 22:15 GMT
#2913
On August 09 2009 06:56 gaggar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 06:52 SuperJongMan wrote:
Jaedong is still SC's best player you dolts.



even at his old prime matches against some other top players were seen as 50/50.

he's one of the best players.

I personally will reserve my opinion for until I see how he fares against Fantasy and Iris.

There is definitely a discrepancy between "best player at the moment" and "bonjwa." Bisu was never bonjwa, but there were periods where he was considered the best player in the proscene, and I think the same can be said of Jaedong and even Flash.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
August 08 2009 22:15 GMT
#2914
I was supposed to supervise the guy who was putting new glaze tiles in the kitchen of my sister's apartment because she was in the country and her fiance had to go to work... guy said he's going home 3 hours later and thank god because before my sister's fiance gave me some cannabis to smoke before he left O_O

I was like leaning in all directions on my chair and slowly reading what ghostwriter was translating letter by letter... effect slowly wore off over time lol I felt almost nothing during ace.

I'm not sure who was irresponsible more, me or my sister's chosen man.

+ Show Spoiler +
JayDeee, why haven't you play safe and go metabolic boost first... I'm SAD FUCKING PANDA



KENTOR THANK YOU FOR STREAMING

OrangeTV <3<3<3
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 08 2009 22:17 GMT
#2915
On August 09 2009 06:26 iamho wrote:
stop quoting me, i was just fanboy raging 2 minutes after I watched JD lose his third game in this series (watched VODs late)

i still hate skt1 terrans though


lol, i'm quoting you to assure you it is all good
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
August 08 2009 22:25 GMT
#2916
On August 08 2009 23:14 Nylan wrote:
I feel so bad for Jaedong as a person, I really admire his heart and dedication. However, I'm absolutely ecstatic to see Oz coach's one-dimensional strategy fail.

the reason this post was called "absurd" two posts down is because it's not the Oz coach's choice. The Oz coach showed his brilliance by scouting jaedong's talent, and jaedong is still on the team because he's loyal. We don't all root for teams with ultra-rich sponsors. T1 poached many of its players from other teams (Bisu, anyone?)

in other words, saying "I'm so glad the Oz strategy failed!!" is stupid... it's not a strategy at all, it's simply what Oz has to work with given the money that they have to pay players with
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 08 2009 22:31 GMT
#2917
On August 09 2009 07:25 Delerium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:14 Nylan wrote:
I feel so bad for Jaedong as a person, I really admire his heart and dedication. However, I'm absolutely ecstatic to see Oz coach's one-dimensional strategy fail.

the reason this post was called "absurd" two posts down is because it's not the Oz coach's choice. The Oz coach showed his brilliance by scouting jaedong's talent, and jaedong is still on the team because he's loyal. We don't all root for teams with ultra-rich sponsors. T1 poached many of its players from other teams (Bisu, anyone?)

in other words, saying "I'm so glad the Oz strategy failed!!" is stupid... it's not a strategy at all, it's simply what Oz has to work with given the money that they have to pay players with


... and?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
August 08 2009 22:33 GMT
#2918
Jaedong maybe is the best player, but he's not the most gifted with purest SC talent.

When SC2 comes out, I wouldn't bet my money on Jaedong winning the early leagues.

Fantasy > Jaedong in that aspect, he sees the matrix.
Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
August 08 2009 22:38 GMT
#2919
On August 08 2009 23:29 sArite_nite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 23:22 kerpal wrote:
i think mostly we feel cheated out of another epic game like the first day JD vs fantasy... or pretty much any of the JD vs fantasy games... look through tlpd sometime, whenever these guys meet it's epic... except the grand final.

was an annoyingly clever cheese though!


Actually, the final was an epic game in itself. Look at the speed of Jaedong's reactions when his overlord was sniped by marines. Look at how the lings nearly got into the base. Look at Fantasy when he pulled his SCVs to block the lings and went further to SCV bunker rush him.

Fantasy felt pretty safe pulling a bunker rush. He still had Bisu to back him up on Super Ace and what I think this match was supposed to do was mindfuck Jaedong more than win.

Fantasy pulled off this win perfectly, but the intention was not to win. It was to weaken Jaedong mentality against Bisu. Had Fantasy lost this match, he would have been recorded as the key weapon in defeating Jaedong, by weakening Jaedong so badly Bisu made mincemeat out of him.

Instead, Fantasy won this.

Don't judge Fantasy as relying on the cheese to win. SKT's grand plan always has contingencies and the plan went: "Fantasy will bunker rush Jaedong. He will 1) win or 2) lose but weaken Jaedong enough to let Bisu win".

sorry but this is ridiculous. fending off a rush and winning the game is going to make you feel pumped for the next game, not broken.

or were you thinking that in the second game he'd spawn with all his units and buildings dying? lolz
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 08 2009 22:38 GMT
#2920
On August 09 2009 06:48 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 06:42 Zinfandel wrote:
Jaedong lost to Effort in GOM, and I was disappointed. Maybe he threw the game to practice for KESPA sanctioned events. Proleague is the biggest stage there is in professional StarCraft, it's the World Series, the NBA Finals, the Super Bowl. Jaedong is not a Bonjwa. Michael Jordan dominated. He scored the winning shot of the NBA finals. Jaedong dropped the ball. If he were really as dominant as a Bonjwa, by definition, is, he would've carried his team to a Proleague win. He dropped the m*therf*cking ball at the grandest of grandest stages.

The Jaedong worshipping ends now. He's not a hero. Heroes win when it matters most. There is presently no best player in professional StarCraft. Jaedong was a candidate for a while, but after losing these games, his hype died. Too bad. There is no best player in StarCraft today.

If only it could be settled as easily as that.


It is, especially if he's knocked out of either remaining individual league. He's dropped the ball so many times and we've chalked it up to tiredness or any other bullshit excuse that it's getting ridiculous. He was 0-2'd by Effort, beaten by Orion AND Hyuk, and he was beaten by Fantasy, twice. There is NO CHANCE that he can be considered a Bonjwa now, dropping that many games, especially to scrubs in a matchup where he's supposed to be a god.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
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