8rax mech is quite standard and not really a cheese. It's really safe and even if it fails doesn't leave the T far behind at all. Hence you shouldn't call it cheese. And it's not that difficult to defend against, JD just screwed up really bad.

jello24

Canada327 Posts

July 23 2009 10:02 GMT

#166

On July 23 2009 18:52 dasanivan wrote:
nobody says this about zergling rushes. why?

yeah they do... people say it all the time about all types of cheese... cheese to a lot here = skilless...

On July 23 2009 18:52 konadora wrote:
Cheese is part of Starcraft.

true... all i said was that if he wanted to show off skill, he should have the confidence to go toe to toe with JD... like bisu in GOM for example. i just expect that when JD plays, there's something epic coming out of it... win or lose.

it just boggles my mind that when horang2 cheeses NaDa, people call him a skill-less noob... im just recalling what was said about cheesers by other users thats all.

Camlito

Australia4040 Posts

July 23 2009 10:02 GMT

#167

On July 23 2009 19:02 Itachii wrote:
Effort doesnt look like hydra anymore=(
wtf

Morphed into a lurker?

InDaHouse

Sweden956 Posts

July 23 2009 10:02 GMT

#168

You ALL know Jaedong pwned Letas wraith build recently! WHY? Coz Lomo has used that build way longer and Jaedong even said Lomo has better wraithmicro than Leta.

When Jaedong learns how to play against Canatas and fantaSy gay strategies he is just superior in all aspects. T1 terrans rely on early harass to build momentum and advantage nothing else.

samachking

Bahrain4949 Posts

July 23 2009 10:03 GMT

#169

On July 23 2009 19:00 dasanivan wrote:

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i suspect you were d- because you focused on microing the vulture instead of macroing at the same time.

Actually, I just learnt it because I thought it was gosu and cool at the time, its pretty simple to do and the micro map is fun for a while. No ad homenim attacks here please, its not too hard to micro a vult, multitasking however is difficult, but there wasnt much for canata to multitask at that point in the game.

Pioneer

994 Posts

July 23 2009 10:03 GMT

#170

On July 23 2009 18:59 Black Gun wrote:

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and whenever some1 rushes them before their killer macro kicks in they cry about gayness and imba...

nr20 imo

GinNtoniC

Sweden2945 Posts

July 23 2009 10:03 GMT

#171

Calm looking mighty nervous.
His lair is faster/earlier but Effort has a higher drone count.

Effort starting a 2nd hatch and Calm's lair shud finish soon.
it's done. Spire immediately started

Conquest101

United States1395 Posts

July 23 2009 10:03 GMT

#172

How is 8 rax (scouted btw) -> Fact even considered cheese anymore?

For the longest time that was like every other TvZ =/.

Jaedong had some really poor decision making that game. Like not finished off those rines for whatever reason. Not getting down an earlier sunk (bunk only had 1 rine in it). Seriously, he HAD to expect a vult.

Mystlord

United States10264 Posts

July 23 2009 10:03 GMT

#173

Game 2!!

Calm (Yellow Zerg at 6) vs. EffOrt (Green Zerg at 9) on Outsider

Smix

United States4549 Posts

July 23 2009 10:03 GMT

#174

CJ Coach for Effort: "Ro8 Ro4 is just part of the road to winning the whole thing~"
STX Coach for Calm: "Ro32 2 wins! Ro16 2:0! Let's have only wins in Ro8 too~"

73% to 27%
Effort

Mystlord

United States10264 Posts

July 23 2009 10:04 GMT

#175

Oh dear EffOrt's spire is slower than Calm's by ~100 HP. Calm is also putting his 2nd hatch at his expo as opposed to EffOrt's 2nd in his main.

GinNtoniC

Sweden2945 Posts

July 23 2009 10:05 GMT

#176

Effort's spire started now as well. Calm planting a hatch at his nat.
So Calm's gonna have faster mutas, but not by much. Question is if he can get a second gas running and actually hold it. Positions are good for him to defend the cliff over the drones

keV.

United States3214 Posts

July 23 2009 10:05 GMT

#177

only game 1 and oz and skt1 fans are at it again...

Pioneer

994 Posts

July 23 2009 10:06 GMT

#178

CALM FIGHTING

GinNtoniC

Sweden2945 Posts

July 23 2009 10:06 GMT

#179

Effort moving out with a ~12 of lings, not speedy.
Calm has about 10 to defend. This'll be micro heavy. Effort attacks the nat hatch and Calm is so far backing off. He starts gas and MUTAS COME OUT. Takes out the lings. Calm still has about 5 lings and mutas flying. Effort's mutas now in flight

Itachii

Poland12466 Posts

July 23 2009 10:06 GMT

#180

On July 23 2009 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
8rax mech is quite standard and not really a cheese. It's really safe and even if it fails doesn't leave the T far behind at all. Hence you shouldn't call it cheese. And it's not that difficult to defend against, JD just screwed up really bad.

cheese or not, its fucking part of the game.people whing about it are probably the ones spamming:bm cheese noob, when they lose to it on iccup.kids need to learn that other builds, non standard also exist in SC and are viable.
Theres even post on start forum of someone trying to define whats cheese and whats not.... comon, wth is that.