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[MSL] Avalon MSL Quarter-Finals Day 1

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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-23 11:32:32
July 23 2009 04:40 GMT
#1
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23 July 2009, 18:30 KST, 2:30 PST, 11:30 CET, Channel MBC


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(Z)Jaedong < Outsider > (T)Canata

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(Z)EffOrt < Outsider > (Z)Calm

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(P)Bisu < Byzantium 3 > (T)Iris

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(Z)ZerO < Heartbreak Ridge > (Z)Kwanro


Statistics
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The format is: (W-L for the last 5 matches in that Match Up of Player 1, Overall Win % in that Match Up), Map Statistics for the Match Up, (W-L for the last 5 matches in that Match Up of Player 2, Overall Win % in that Match Up)

(Z)Jaedong < Outsider > (T)Canata

(4-1, 64.83%) 30 - 25 (5-0, 54%)

Frankly, Outsider isn't the right map for Canata. Mech isn't really a good idea on it, and I don't think Canata's bionic play is good enough to beat Jaedong. The last few times he did Bio, it was basically a 5 tank timing push into Zerg's natural. I highly doubt that Jaedong is going to allow that to happen in this game. I'm actually wondering if Canata will be able to hold off the initial 2 Hatch Mutas that Jaedong is undoubtedly going to do since it's Outsider and all. A 1 week break is enough for Jaedong to rest up and absolutely demolish Canata on this map.

(Z)EffOrt < Outsider > (Z)Calm

(4-1, 69.7%) 19 ZvZs (4-1, 51.06%)

I honestly think that over the past few weeks, we've seen enough of EffOrt's ZvZ to know he's damn good at that match up. He's beaten YellOw[ArnC], Jaedong, and even destroyed type-b for the kicks. All he's been doing this time is playing ZvZ. I'm still worried about Calm though. His recent ZvZ record is impressive, but his matches have been against TheZerg, ZerO, and Juni, not exactly the best ZvZ players out there. Remember that Calm got denied from the OSL 0-2 by HogiL who has a career record of 28% ZvZ, and he also got destroyed 0-2 by HoeJJa (36.36% ZvZ) in the GOM Classic.

(P)Bisu < Byzantium 3 > (T)Iris

(4-1, 61.65%) 4 - 1 (3-2, 55.45%)

After his loss to go.go in the OSL, Bisu has stepped up his PvT and just taken out his rage on Terran players. He first destroyed Leta, then killed Hwasin, and finally took out fantasy 2-0 as vengeance for fantasy's earlier elimination of Bisu from the OSL last season. Now he's facing against the grizzled old veteran Iris, who, yeah has been doing okay recently against Protoss, but he hasn't faced an opponent like Bisu since his match with BeSt.

Really though, I think that the map itself will help Iris fail in this match. Byzantium 3 is 4-1 PvT, not exactly an encouraging statistic for Iris. This is the map that practically shut down fantasy's style of play. I don't see Iris getting out of this one except for cheese.

(Z)ZerO < Heartbreak Ridge > (Z)Kwanro

(1-4, 49.18%) 12 ZvZs (2-3, 55.56%)

I so want to just say that ZerO sucks at ZvZ and just leave it at that, but unfortunately, that's only true sometimes. Sometimes, ZerO gets these brilliant flashes of insight in ZvZ and somehow is able to actually win a game. ZerO is actually 2-2 against Kwanro, who seems to share this trait with ZerO. Sometimes, Kwanro gets the match up, sometimes he doesn't. It's just a gamble tonight really.


My Predictions
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(Z)Jaedong < Outsider > (T)Canata

A week of rest for good old JD. He'll be fine. He was just tired! You know...

(Z)EffOrt < Outsider > (Z)Calm

I love you Calm, but if you saw any of EffOrt's games in Proleague, you'll know that he will beat you.

(P)Bisu < Byzantium 3 > (T)Iris

MSL is like Bisu's playing ground. Iris is nobody. Sucks to be him to get matched up with Bisu.

(Z)ZerO < Heartbreak Ridge > (Z)Kwanro

I have no faith in ZerO if the match up is ZvZ.


Results
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Group A: (Z)Jaedong < Outsider > (T)Canata
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Canata goes for an 8 rax in his natural and sends one SCV with a few marines to bunker rush Jaedong. Jaedong went for the standard 12 hatch, but lost 4 drones to the 3 marines. Although he destroyed the bunker, his creep colony was denied by his own lings, so his sunken did not finish in time for Canata's vulture. Canata gets a 12 kill vulture and that's pretty much game.

Group B: (Z)EffOrt < Outsider > (Z)Calm
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This one I got confused on since I didn't see the opening builds. However, what ended up happening was that EffOrt took his gas later than Calm, and thus he ended behind on gas count and Mutalisk count. EffOrt got around 8 pair of scourge and 3 Mutalisks and went in for an attack, but barely any scourge, if any, landed, and EffOrt's forces were overpowered. EffOrt tries to hold on and delay with Zerglings, but once Calm decides to attack with his Mutalisks, it was all over for EffOrt since he never got Zergling Speed.

Group C: (P)Bisu < Byzantium 3 > (T)Iris
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Very nice play by Iris here. Bisu opens standard 1 gate goon into Observer build, but what he doesn't know is that Iris is setting up for a devious ploy. Iris builds several marines and a tank. He makes it seem like he's going to just do a FD with a quick expansion. However, Iris pushes out with his second tank and maybe 3 or so vultures. Bisu is unprepared and didn't delay Iris's forces as they moved out, so he was stuck in his natural trying to defend against this 2 fac. His goons get pushed into a corner because of mines, and Iris sneaks a few vultures into Bisu's main that get 8 probe kills before Bisu takes it out. Iris destroys everything at Bisu's natural, including all of Bisu's goons. Bisu taps out soon after.

Group D: (Z)ZerO < Heartbreak Ridge > (Z)Kwanro
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ZvZ is usually too action packed for a game summary, but I'll give one anyway. Both players opt to go for the 12 pool into expansion, but the difference is that ZerO opts to go Zergling Speed first while Kwanro opts for Lair first. Kwanro doesn't let ZerO's initial lings get into his main base, so he uses his faster Mutalisks to snipe two Overlords of ZerO's. However, Kwanro goes to engage ZerO with no scourge and fewer Mutalisks, so he loses the majority of his Mutalisks. However, that was merely a distraction for about 4 lings to absolutely destroy all of ZerO's drones since all of ZerO's Zerglings had died. ZerO is left with 5 drones, and goes all in with his remaining Mutalisks. He kills all of Kwanro's Mutalisks, but Kwanro is able to get spore colonies up at his natural while ZerO's Lair, Spire, and drones were killed. A very nice game from Kwanro.



Recommended Games
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Bisu vs. Iris
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A very nice 2 factory from Iris. Can Bisu fend it off?

ZerO vs. Kwanro
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-23 04:43:01
July 23 2009 04:42 GMT
#2
Go Bisu! After Fantasy, Iris should be no problem...let's just hope KTY can force a straight up game.

I'm glad two of tonight's games are on Outsider — really love this map. And I hope Canata has something special planned for JD!

Mystlord, glad to see you're doing the OP...that means nifty game summaries! Thanks!
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
July 23 2009 04:43 GMT
#3
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Poll: Game of the Night?
(Vote): Jaedong vs. Canata
(Vote): EffOrt vs. Calm
(Vote): Bisu vs. Iris
(Vote): ZerO vs. Kwanro

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Poll: Who are you cheering for?
(Vote): Jaedong
(Vote): Canata

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Poll: Who are you cheering for?
(Vote): EffOrt
(Vote): Calm

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Poll: Who are you cheering for?
(Vote): Bisu
(Vote): Iris

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Poll: Who are you cheering for?
(Vote): ZerO
(Vote): Kwanro
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
July 23 2009 04:46 GMT
#4
Iris gogogo
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
July 23 2009 04:48 GMT
#5
Go Canata!

I think Zero will take apart Kwanro pretty easily, he showed some really amazing ZvZ last time he was performing well. I'd like to think Calm can beat Effort but...that seems sadly unlikely.
BW forever || Thall
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
July 23 2009 04:49 GMT
#6
I have faith in CJ, go Iris, Effort, and Kwanroooolll! So pumped for these games I can't sleep haha
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
July 23 2009 04:51 GMT
#7
Hopefully the good Zero shows up.
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
July 23 2009 04:54 GMT
#8
Jaedong, Bisu, Zero... three fave players that im hoping take the W's in tonight's games...

Jaedong may be so well-rested that he may just let his mutas shoot across the map again and have drones grabbing 16 minerals per trip...

Bisu will take Iris to school, grab his lunch money and stuff him in a locker hanging by his underwear... thats how bad Iris is gonna get it tonight.

Zero is a mystery. im just hoping i dont see any Kwanrolled pics tonight...
just lurking around...
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
July 23 2009 04:58 GMT
#9
On July 23 2009 13:42 JWD wrote:
Go Bisu! After Fantasy, Iris should be no problem...let's just hope KTY can force a straight up game.



Does anyone else remember those games Iris played against Stork in... I think an OSL semi-final. At the time, Stork was rolling, especially against Terran. Absolutely unstoppable.

Iris just blew Stork out 3:0, with a 2-fac timing attack every time. The 2-fac annihilated early expansion, quick tech, every build Stork rolled out that set.

Anyways, I'm saying this because I like Bisu a lot and hope he wins and everything. But I won't be shocked if Iris pulls this one out.
RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
July 23 2009 05:02 GMT
#10
Canata!, This is your chance to shine!
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
July 23 2009 05:02 GMT
#11
tripple crown: I want Bisu to take this msl YAY
dats racist
ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
July 23 2009 05:05 GMT
#12
On July 23 2009 13:58 Random_0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2009 13:42 JWD wrote:
Go Bisu! After Fantasy, Iris should be no problem...let's just hope KTY can force a straight up game.



Does anyone else remember those games Iris played against Stork in... I think an OSL semi-final. At the time, Stork was rolling, especially against Terran. Absolutely unstoppable.

Iris just blew Stork out 3:0, with a 2-fac timing attack every time. The 2-fac annihilated early expansion, quick tech, every build Stork rolled out that set.

Anyways, I'm saying this because I like Bisu a lot and hope he wins and everything. But I won't be shocked if Iris pulls this one out.


Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if (T)Berserker takes this from (P)Bisu on his homecourt.
♣ Jaedong. Stork. Bisu. Calm. NaDa. SC2: Sen, MKP, DRG, MMA, Grubby, NonY, Ret, Jinro, TLO, Sheth, HayprO, Zenio,Taeja,Snute, Sea, Rain, MC,Squirtle,Stephano,Parting ,Life, and HEROOOOO <3
Inzek
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Chile802 Posts
July 23 2009 05:06 GMT
#13
(Z)Jaedong < > (T)Canata
(Z)EffOrt < > (Z)Calm
(P)Bisu < > (T)Iris
(Z)ZerO < > (Z)Kwanro

u'll see
Stork FAN!!!
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8178 Posts
July 23 2009 05:09 GMT
#14
lets go (Z)Calm! Last STX player in active, please do well!
Free Palestine
TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
July 23 2009 05:11 GMT
#15
Ugh, too many ZvZs.
I think the favorites in the first three series should win pretty handily, but the last series is a tossup. Neither player has transcended their ZvZ like JD or Effort (or Yarnc in a way) has to make me feel confident giving giving either one an edge, even if ZerO's been sucking it up lately in ZvZ.
Arf
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
July 23 2009 05:11 GMT
#16
I want Iris to win because Iris's TvP is the most fun to watch.....

but I want Bisu to advance overall because he will produce better vZ games going forward in this Z-heavy tournament.

SO IM IN A BIT OF A PICKLE GUYS!
Writerman what
Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-23 05:18:02
July 23 2009 05:16 GMT
#17
Iris is just so cool, I want Iris to advance. And how cool would it be to have an epic Iris vs Effort match. The sequel to that awesome Iris vs Savior match back in Savior's OSL run. Ahhh, nostalgia ftw.

Iris can definitely showcase good TvZ games imo.

Other than that, I want Effort/Zero to advance. It would be cool if Canata advances, but I doubt it'll happen.
Murdoink
Profile Joined March 2009
Chile1219 Posts
July 23 2009 05:17 GMT
#18
can't wait!
SNARF HWAITING
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
July 23 2009 05:19 GMT
#19
http://640.zeroboy.net/topstarcraft

High Quality Stream
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dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
July 23 2009 05:21 GMT
#20
so wait how is this format work?

are they just playing game 1 of the Bo5?
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