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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
July 23 2009 19:24 GMT
#461
I want canata to win so jaedong follows the patterns of past top players, win two osl's, slip into mediocrity never to be seen again. I THINK it was jwd who was talking about this not long ago? Might be wrong, maybe it was plexa.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
July 23 2009 19:54 GMT
#462
hehe canata, oh man

jaedong is lucky that its split days!
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Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
July 23 2009 19:56 GMT
#463
I must admit that recently I have been very impressed with Canata. His play vs Jaedong was sick, he had control the whole 10 minutes and even if jaedong had stopped the bunker, the drones he lost set him so far behind it was ridiculous.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8182 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-23 20:03:56
July 23 2009 20:03 GMT
#464
I'm slightly surprised that JD opened up with a 12hatch. Most TvZ's ive seen on outsider the Zerg opens 9pool. I guess he was confident enough in his drone micro. Too confident.
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poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
July 23 2009 20:39 GMT
#465
Canata has been on fire since Boxer came back ;D That has got to be the reason for his performance of course!
bao235
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway97 Posts
July 23 2009 22:51 GMT
#466
Why do they separate the first game from the other 4 games?
It's pronounced without the L.
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
July 23 2009 22:52 GMT
#467
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deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
July 24 2009 00:04 GMT
#468
Great play by Canata, but I guess it's almost expected that Jaedong loses the first match in a Bo5.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10348 Posts
July 24 2009 00:26 GMT
#469
On July 23 2009 19:07 Black Gun wrote:
i find it really funny that when boxer bunker rushes yellow 3 times in a row ppl are excited and call him the one of the greatest, most skilled and most entertaining players of all times.

if some1 else uses anything resembling any kind of rush or cheese he is called a gay skillless noob that was afraid to play a straight up game and robbed them off a potentially entertaining game.

its fucking part of the game, so stop bitching about it.




Damn, I was going to bring up that example, but was just too slow You are correct sir.

Why are Boxer's bunker rushes "brilliant", while Canata's are "noobcheesesauce"?

One word: Faaaanbooooyyyyismmm...

Whenever the popular players lose, idiots go around blaming the map, the opposing build, and Jesus himself, and occasionally Moses. All to explain away the brief ineptitude of their heroes. First off, these ARE just the game 1s, so don't shit your pants just yet. Second, and most important... 8-rax into mech, with or without the hopelessly common bunker rush, is not cheese. It's no more cheese than a 9-pool + speed, 2-gate zealot, or 4-gate.

True cheese is like 4 marines + 9 scvs, 5 pool, proxy dark templar (with the gateway hidden in the opponents main). Even then, cheese isn't a bad thing. If you want long macro games, stick with 3v3 BGH nr MM. But these idiots don't really want macro games; they just want the Jaedongs, the Boxers, and the Bisus of the SC world to always win.

Is Canata boring now, jackasses? :D
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 00:33:39
July 24 2009 00:32 GMT
#470
On July 24 2009 02:43 broz0rs wrote:
I can't believe that Canata is the best Terran player right now. His recent record justifies his claim.


You can't believe it because it isn't true...

I don't even like Jaedong but Canata always plays so... so standard and bleh and I just hate watching the guy play.

At least Jaedong has a relatively entertaining style.

Also GO IRIS THE ANTI-BISU
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TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 00:59:51
July 24 2009 00:56 GMT
#471
Why are Boxer's bunker rushes "brilliant", while Canata's are "noobcheesesauce"?
Because Boxer and Canata are different players. And Boxer is known for cheesing.
Same reason no one cared when Bisu cheesed Really. Cause he would've rolled him no matter what build he chose. Same reason that people cared when Flash cheesed Bisu in their first series because he was a clear underdog.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8182 Posts
July 24 2009 01:08 GMT
#472
people dont call every one of boxer's bunker rushs brilliant. Only the ones that are actually unique/creative/etc. When SkyHigh did the proxy fact vs JD it was received much better because it was creative and entertaining. Everyone loves a good cheese once in a while.

I think canata is getting a lot of hate because although well-executed it wasn't really too neat and has been seen many times before. Maybe its also just depressing since JD played so poorly vs it. I don't think his lings blocking the creep colony mattered much, the vulture was on it's way right when the creep colony got made, even with an extra 5 seconds it wouldn't of had finished in time.
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Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
July 24 2009 01:16 GMT
#473
On July 24 2009 09:56 TwoStep wrote:
Why are Boxer's bunker rushes "brilliant", while Canata's are "noobcheesesauce"?
Because Boxer and Canata are different players. And Boxer is known for cheesing.
Same reason no one cared when Bisu cheesed Really. Cause he would've rolled him no matter what build he chose. Same reason that people cared when Flash cheesed Bisu in their first series because he was a clear underdog.


lolwut
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
July 24 2009 01:16 GMT
#474
lol Canata did not do a standard build. Please point out examples where that specific build is done. I'm honestly not sure if it has been showcased before this (the 8 rax -> vulture is only a part of it).

It's not Canata's fault Jaedong sucked so badly it was over before the entire build even came into focus. That's one variation (extremely good one too) of the best current TvZ build that is rarely used; why fault him for being smarter than Jaedong?

And Canata is looking to be at least in the top 3 T's right now. Whether he's better than Flash or Fantasy remains to be seen.
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TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 01:17:41
July 24 2009 01:17 GMT
#475
On July 24 2009 10:16 Nylan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2009 09:56 TwoStep wrote:
Why are Boxer's bunker rushes "brilliant", while Canata's are "noobcheesesauce"?
Because Boxer and Canata are different players. And Boxer is known for cheesing.
Same reason no one cared when Bisu cheesed Really. Cause he would've rolled him no matter what build he chose. Same reason that people cared when Flash cheesed Bisu in their first series because he was a clear underdog.


lolwut

I'm explaining why some people react differently to cheese even though it's essentially the same strategy. the first question was from a different poster.
I don't see how that's confusing.
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
July 24 2009 01:27 GMT
#476
I fail to see what Canata did was cheese... Let alone bunker rushes a cheese. I understood Cheese as being an all-in attack that if failed, puts one at a decisive disadvantage.

In Canata vs. Jaedong game, If the bunker rush failed, although being at a disadvantage it is definitely not decisive and it was certainly not an all-in attack (He made a CC to expand for gods sake).

The only way I see a bunker rush being cheese if the terran goes BBS or the terran sends out like 7-12 scvs. Canata used a unique strategy against Jaedong but that's a farcry from being a cheese build.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
July 24 2009 01:38 GMT
#477
On July 24 2009 00:27 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2009 22:51 jello_biafra wrote:
Can't believe after so many years idiots still complain about the "imba" of TvZ, makes me sick.

Damn good games today, nicely played by all winners.

The ~55% TvZ winrate over those years definitely has nothing to do with that.

xellos nada boxer oov vs.... yellow and a bunch of trash for like 5 years on horribly imbalanced maps and it only comes out 55%>

clearly zerg is stronger than terran.
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JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
July 24 2009 02:09 GMT
#478
Aw dammit come on Jaedong and Effort =( I'm sure both of you will win the bo5 though! This is Iris's MSL!!!! Your time to finally get a title is now! Nothing will stop the Beserkerrrrrr!
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skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
July 24 2009 02:53 GMT
#479
No problem for Jaedong, it's LWWW time
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 24 2009 03:01 GMT
#480
I'm extremely excited to watch Iris in GOM and this MSL. He's a seasoned veteran and it seems like he senses that his twilight years are approaching. I would really like to see him win a title to put the cherry on his career. He really deserves it.
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