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AlTheCake
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1071 Posts
July 05 2009 11:52 GMT
#681
On July 05 2009 20:51 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:50 Raithed wrote:
btw shuttle vs flash, the end game, flash has 3 tanks and shuttle has 1 goon lol. we know who would win that, right?

Spidermines

What?
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-05 11:53:14
July 05 2009 11:52 GMT
#682
On July 05 2009 20:50 AlTheCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:49 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:46 Tinithor wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?

Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?


So after that the game should be over, any way that the game might be won after that is obviously lame and takes no skill at all. K

Skyhigh lost 1 vulture which eventually led to him losing the game. Flash did what he had to do to win, which is cool. I just think, in my opinion, you shouldn't be able to win by defending the whole game.

Oh okay, I'm glad we have that out of the way.

I suggest that you shouldn't watch TvP a lot in the future. Or you might get pissed.

I've been watching the matchup for awhile and always enjoyed it for the most part. Maybe I don't watch enough PvT but I haven't really found a game where someone looked so helpless while being ahead as that game looked
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27172 Posts
July 05 2009 11:53 GMT
#683
On July 05 2009 20:51 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:50 Raithed wrote:
btw shuttle vs flash, the end game, flash has 3 tanks and shuttle has 1 goon lol. we know who would win that, right?

Spidermines


lol
ModeratorGodfather
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
July 05 2009 11:53 GMT
#684
and flash had a lot of mistakes too...game 1 he had purely tanks, i think shuttle could have opted for carriers even though the map isnt great for them, and been better off in the end (especially since what he needed to do the most was CC sniping). flash also waited way too long to get his 3rd expo (min only), by then he could barely handle shuttle's overwhelming unit count from 5 bases. then in the 2nd game flash didnt really make any mistakes but i wasnt impressed by his play very much i gotta say, i mean his timing push was nice and all but i think it could have been stopped, and if that had happened, flash would have found himself 2 bases down from shuttle again. ok i lied, he did impress me--how the hell is he so good at seeing the blurrs of observers (or ghosts in his game against leta), that was neat lol
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keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-05 11:56:13
July 05 2009 11:53 GMT
#685
Its called real-time strategy for a reason. If you can't appreciate someone winning because of a better strategy then you are watching the wrong game.

This is the equivalent of invalidating a chess win because a player didn't move all of his pawns past the middle of the chessboard. Get a clue man honestly.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
July 05 2009 11:55 GMT
#686
even in counterstrike the terrorists can just win camping and protecting the bombsites. pretty much the same thing.
Woo Jung Ho
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
July 05 2009 11:56 GMT
#687
On July 05 2009 20:55 iLoveKT wrote:
even in counterstrike the terrorists can just win camping and protecting the bombsites. pretty much the same thing.


hahahahaha wasn't expecting this but I enjoyed it
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-05 11:57:44
July 05 2009 11:56 GMT
#688
On July 05 2009 20:55 iLoveKT wrote:
even in counterstrike the terrorists can just win camping and protecting the bombsites. pretty much the same thing.

Big big difference. In competitive CS, both sides get to play each side. I think it is 30 games total, 15 on each side in most tournaments
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 05 2009 11:57 GMT
#689
Good to see both Flash and July advancing. Skyhigh really hasn't been that hot lately.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
July 05 2009 11:58 GMT
#690
If you think that's such an important aspect. Why don't you suggest that Shuttle just turtles for the entire game like FlaSh did if you're so fucking anal about the fact that FlaSh was so defensive.
Graphics
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-05 12:00:19
July 05 2009 11:59 GMT
#691
Oh well my hero July will have to fight the turtling terran to get into the finals instead of can't-break-the-turtle protoss
On July 05 2009 20:58 SilverskY wrote:
If you think that's such an important aspect. Why don't you suggest that Shuttle just turtles for the entire game like FlaSh did if you're so fucking anal about the fact that FlaSh was so defensive.


Because Protoss can't do that? Like my signature says, I don't play the game much but I am pretty sure siege tanks outrange any defenses Protoss have.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 05 2009 11:59 GMT
#692
Shuttle played pretty bad once he gained a lead, Heartbreak is unforgiving if you attack in the wrong places. Flash's battles, despite losing them, were economically better for him than shuttle. Shuttle's recalls were pretty bad and he didn't pick his fights well. He should have worked on preventing flash from taking his 4th. Once Flash had his fourth he should have attacked in better places rather than trying to crash through that little choke.
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keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
July 05 2009 12:00 GMT
#693
The idea that starcraft is only about the exchange of units is a truly juvenile one. I'm glad you enjoy watching starcraft, but you are sorely misinformed about how real time strategies work.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Tinithor
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1552 Posts
July 05 2009 12:00 GMT
#694
On July 05 2009 20:59 Nokeboy wrote:
Oh well my hero July will have to fight the turtling terran to get into the finals instead of can't-break-the-turtle protoss


You have NO argument here. If the other player is being offensive then you HAVE to be defensive... Should a player who beats a 5 pool by defending not count as winning cause he just turtled? You make no sense
"Oh-My-GOD" ... "Is many mutas, Yes?"
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
July 05 2009 12:01 GMT
#695
On July 05 2009 21:00 Tinithor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:59 Nokeboy wrote:
Oh well my hero July will have to fight the turtling terran to get into the finals instead of can't-break-the-turtle protoss


You have NO argument here. If the other player is being offensive then you HAVE to be defensive... Should a player who beats a 5 pool by defending not count as winning cause he just turtled? You make no sense

Ummmm, they don't win by defending the 5 pool. They win by attacking after the 5 pool because the zerg failed his rush so is extremely behind.
Tinithor
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-05 12:04:09
July 05 2009 12:02 GMT
#696
On July 05 2009 21:01 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 21:00 Tinithor wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:59 Nokeboy wrote:
Oh well my hero July will have to fight the turtling terran to get into the finals instead of can't-break-the-turtle protoss


You have NO argument here. If the other player is being offensive then you HAVE to be defensive... Should a player who beats a 5 pool by defending not count as winning cause he just turtled? You make no sense

Ummmm, they don't win by defending the 5 pool. They win by attacking after the 5 pool because the zerg failed his rush so is extremely behind.


Or you could just expand and defend all bases on the map till the zerg mines out, why wouldn't that count? It would take longer but it would still win.

(Also how is this any different from what flash did anything? He defended the attack and then countered Shuttle...)
"Oh-My-GOD" ... "Is many mutas, Yes?"
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27172 Posts
July 05 2009 12:03 GMT
#697
On July 05 2009 21:01 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 21:00 Tinithor wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:59 Nokeboy wrote:
Oh well my hero July will have to fight the turtling terran to get into the finals instead of can't-break-the-turtle protoss


You have NO argument here. If the other player is being offensive then you HAVE to be defensive... Should a player who beats a 5 pool by defending not count as winning cause he just turtled? You make no sense

Ummmm, they don't win by defending the 5 pool. They win by attacking after the 5 pool because the zerg failed his rush so is extremely behind.


Ok, the spider mine post was funny but you are seriously on your last legs here. Exit the thread in one piece please.
ModeratorGodfather
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
July 05 2009 12:03 GMT
#698
On July 05 2009 21:01 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 21:00 Tinithor wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:59 Nokeboy wrote:
Oh well my hero July will have to fight the turtling terran to get into the finals instead of can't-break-the-turtle protoss


You have NO argument here. If the other player is being offensive then you HAVE to be defensive... Should a player who beats a 5 pool by defending not count as winning cause he just turtled? You make no sense

Ummmm, they don't win by defending the 5 pool. They win by attacking after the 5 pool because the zerg failed his rush so is extremely behind.


Go away, you just 100% contradicted yourself troll. You said just a few pages back, that attacking without someone defending does not count as offense. Those 4 drones have an awful good chance against an economically ahead player.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
July 05 2009 12:03 GMT
#699
On July 05 2009 21:01 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 21:00 Tinithor wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:59 Nokeboy wrote:
Oh well my hero July will have to fight the turtling terran to get into the finals instead of can't-break-the-turtle protoss


You have NO argument here. If the other player is being offensive then you HAVE to be defensive... Should a player who beats a 5 pool by defending not count as winning cause he just turtled? You make no sense

Ummmm, they don't win by defending the 5 pool. They win by attacking after the 5 pool because the zerg failed his rush so is extremely behind.

How would you even get the opportunity to attack if they don't fucking DEFEND the 5 pool first? Jesus fucking christ just shut up...
Graphics
AlTheCake
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1071 Posts
July 05 2009 12:04 GMT
#700
On July 05 2009 21:02 Tinithor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 21:01 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 21:00 Tinithor wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:59 Nokeboy wrote:
Oh well my hero July will have to fight the turtling terran to get into the finals instead of can't-break-the-turtle protoss


You have NO argument here. If the other player is being offensive then you HAVE to be defensive... Should a player who beats a 5 pool by defending not count as winning cause he just turtled? You make no sense

Ummmm, they don't win by defending the 5 pool. They win by attacking after the 5 pool because the zerg failed his rush so is extremely behind.


Or you could just expand and defend all bases on the map till the zerg mines out, why wouldn't that count? It would take longer but it would still win.

Kind of like July did on the last game.
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