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On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?
And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.
I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw. He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.
What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?
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On July 05 2009 20:43 SilverskY wrote: God it's like talking to a fucking wall. I feel like we're the one who's trying to break his turtle. Oh, I see what I did tharr.
The real question is, when will he go on the offensive?
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You can't really say he was offensive when probably 5 total units crossed the middle of the map
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On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?
And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.
I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw. He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle. What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?
He expects him to make a push and lose obviously, since he has no idea how to play and obviously doesn't realize that that was the ONLY way for flash to win that game.
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So sad. 
At least there's a chance Flash will be at Blizzcon now. I like Flash well enough, but I was hoping Shuttle would win, or at least take it to game 3, and show that he can go head to head against Flash. The first game he did that, but he got rolled the second game.
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On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?
And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.
I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw. He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle. What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down? Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?
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On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote: You can't really say he was offensive when probably 5 total units crossed the middle of the map
God damn trolls.
Wrong link~
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I dont expect much from someone who is just a pure spectator. Nokeboy, let me telly you, as a Terran player, TvP is fucking hard. I could list why but I wont. You wont appreciate what flash did in this game if you are just a pure spectator.
And everyone going against you might be a clue that you are WRONG. Use that clue.
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On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?
And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.
I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw. He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle. What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down? Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?
So after that the game should be over, any way that the game might be won after that is obviously lame and takes no skill at all. K
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Osaka27149 Posts
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?
And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.
I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw. He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.
He didn't turtle. He occupied territory. He forced Shuttle into making mistakes and throwing away units. He attacked expansions at a perfect time in order to A) secure them for himself, or B) prevent Shuttle from using them.
You don't have to like the style of game, but don't rampage in the thread about ZERO OFFENSE when you don't seem to understand the concept of the term. Considering we all watched the game...
Anyway, sorry you didn't enjoy it. I just suggest you enrich your understanding of the game a little bit before you take on the forum. It will lessen the amount of shit being heaped on you at the moment.
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On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?
And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.
I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw. He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle. What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down? Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?
were u watching the same game as us all? -.-||
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On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?
And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.
I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw. He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle. What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down? Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, that doesn't mean we can't ignore people who refuse to learn the actual game.
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On July 05 2009 20:46 Tinithor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?
And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.
I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw. He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle. What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down? Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down? So after that the game should be over, any way that the game might be won after that is obviously lame and takes no skill at all. K Skyhigh lost 1 vulture which eventually led to him losing the game. Flash did what he had to do to win, which is cool. I just think, in my opinion, you shouldn't be able to win by defending the whole game.
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Hate it or love it, Flash's style is in some ways a survival tactic. Today's games were a great example of two Terrans with virtually polar opposite styles, both of whom I really really like. But, while Skyhigh's style is very very fun to watch even for the uneducated SC fan, it is less resilient than Flash's style and we saw full evidence of that today in games 2 and 3.
Flash hates playing styles where a 0.2 second reaction mistake can cost you a game. He'd much rather lose on overall decision making and large scale tactics. Can you really blame him? Until very recently, he was by far the most overworked progamer in the entire proscene - continually qualifying and advancing in all Starleagues (something even Jaedong and Bisu didn't do as consistently as Flash did over the past 18 months) while being the only decent player on his team, depended on to carry KT(F) every single playday. He's chosen to go with styles that are resilient to playing tons and tons of games with the expectation of winning them all partly as a response.
Fantasy is probably a stronger player in Starleagues, and Skyhigh may one day become a Starleague monster himself, but NOBODY will have a higher overall winning percentage out of Terran players than Flash. Not Fantasy, not Leta, not Skyhigh, not anyone. Flash will have the highest Terran winning percentage for a long time to come. This is the reason.
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btw shuttle vs flash, the end game, flash has 3 tanks and shuttle has 1 goon lol. we know who would win that, right?
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Osaka27149 Posts
Ok, last chance to exit this thread. If you aren't going to present a reasonable argument, don't post.
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On July 05 2009 20:49 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 20:46 Tinithor wrote:On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?
And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.
I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw. He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle. What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down? Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down? So after that the game should be over, any way that the game might be won after that is obviously lame and takes no skill at all. K Skyhigh lost 1 vulture which eventually led to him losing the game. Flash did what he had to do to win, which is cool. I just think, in my opinion, you shouldn't be able to win by defending the whole game. Oh okay, I'm glad we have that out of the way.
I suggest that you shouldn't watch TvP a lot in the future. Or you might get pissed.
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On July 05 2009 20:50 Raithed wrote: btw shuttle vs flash, the end game, flash has 3 tanks and shuttle has 1 goon lol. we know who would win that, right? Spidermines
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On July 05 2009 20:49 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2009 20:46 Tinithor wrote:On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?
And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.
I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw. He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle. What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down? Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down? So after that the game should be over, any way that the game might be won after that is obviously lame and takes no skill at all. K Skyhigh lost 1 vulture which eventually led to him losing the game. Flash did what he had to do to win, which is cool. I just think, in my opinion, you shouldn't be able to win by defending the whole game.
Lets apply this theory to real life then. LETS say that your in a war that you didn't start. The other country attacks you. Your GOAL in the war is to defend! If you manage to accomplish that shouldn't you win? Or should you lose because you weren't on the offensive? Why do you have to cross the middle of the map to be offensive? He didn't own his whole side of the map the whole game, he had to be offensive and TAKE his side of the map, he didn't get it free like Shuttle did.
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