• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:37
CEST 17:37
KST 00:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-68SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)12Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE18
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #3/8 - Clem Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 Data needed BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Clem Fan Club INnoVation Fan Club The Scarlett Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4935 users

[GOM] Ro8, Day 1 - Page 34

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 36 39 Next All
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 05 2009 11:44 GMT
#661
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
July 05 2009 11:44 GMT
#662
On July 05 2009 20:43 SilverskY wrote:
God it's like talking to a fucking wall. I feel like we're the one who's trying to break his turtle. Oh, I see what I did tharr.


The real question is, when will he go on the offensive?
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
July 05 2009 11:45 GMT
#663
You can't really say he was offensive when probably 5 total units crossed the middle of the map
Tinithor
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1552 Posts
July 05 2009 11:45 GMT
#664
On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?


He expects him to make a push and lose obviously, since he has no idea how to play and obviously doesn't realize that that was the ONLY way for flash to win that game.
"Oh-My-GOD" ... "Is many mutas, Yes?"
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
July 05 2009 11:45 GMT
#665
So sad.

At least there's a chance Flash will be at Blizzcon now. I like Flash well enough, but I was hoping Shuttle would win, or at least take it to game 3, and show that he can go head to head against Flash. The first game he did that, but he got rolled the second game.
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
July 05 2009 11:45 GMT
#666
On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?

Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?
AlTheCake
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-05 11:47:16
July 05 2009 11:46 GMT
#667
On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:
You can't really say he was offensive when probably 5 total units crossed the middle of the map

[image loading]


God damn trolls.

Wrong link~
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
July 05 2009 11:46 GMT
#668
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Flash_build_test
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
July 05 2009 11:46 GMT
#669
I dont expect much from someone who is just a pure spectator. Nokeboy, let me telly you, as a Terran player, TvP is fucking hard. I could list why but I wont. You wont appreciate what flash did in this game if you are just a pure spectator.

And everyone going against you might be a clue that you are WRONG. Use that clue.
Woo Jung Ho
Tinithor
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1552 Posts
July 05 2009 11:46 GMT
#670
On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?

Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?


So after that the game should be over, any way that the game might be won after that is obviously lame and takes no skill at all. K
"Oh-My-GOD" ... "Is many mutas, Yes?"
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
July 05 2009 11:47 GMT
#671
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


He didn't turtle. He occupied territory. He forced Shuttle into making mistakes and throwing away units. He attacked expansions at a perfect time in order to A) secure them for himself, or B) prevent Shuttle from using them.

You don't have to like the style of game, but don't rampage in the thread about ZERO OFFENSE when you don't seem to understand the concept of the term. Considering we all watched the game...

Anyway, sorry you didn't enjoy it. I just suggest you enrich your understanding of the game a little bit before you take on the forum. It will lessen the amount of shit being heaped on you at the moment.
ModeratorGodfather
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
July 05 2009 11:47 GMT
#672
On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?

Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?


were u watching the same game as us all? -.-||
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
July 05 2009 11:48 GMT
#673
On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?

Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?


Everyone is entitled to an opinion, that doesn't mean we can't ignore people who refuse to learn the actual game.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
July 05 2009 11:49 GMT
#674
On July 05 2009 20:46 Tinithor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?

Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?


So after that the game should be over, any way that the game might be won after that is obviously lame and takes no skill at all. K

Skyhigh lost 1 vulture which eventually led to him losing the game. Flash did what he had to do to win, which is cool. I just think, in my opinion, you shouldn't be able to win by defending the whole game.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
July 05 2009 11:49 GMT
#675
Hate it or love it, Flash's style is in some ways a survival tactic. Today's games were a great example of two Terrans with virtually polar opposite styles, both of whom I really really like. But, while Skyhigh's style is very very fun to watch even for the uneducated SC fan, it is less resilient than Flash's style and we saw full evidence of that today in games 2 and 3.

Flash hates playing styles where a 0.2 second reaction mistake can cost you a game. He'd much rather lose on overall decision making and large scale tactics. Can you really blame him? Until very recently, he was by far the most overworked progamer in the entire proscene - continually qualifying and advancing in all Starleagues (something even Jaedong and Bisu didn't do as consistently as Flash did over the past 18 months) while being the only decent player on his team, depended on to carry KT(F) every single playday. He's chosen to go with styles that are resilient to playing tons and tons of games with the expectation of winning them all partly as a response.

Fantasy is probably a stronger player in Starleagues, and Skyhigh may one day become a Starleague monster himself, but NOBODY will have a higher overall winning percentage out of Terran players than Flash. Not Fantasy, not Leta, not Skyhigh, not anyone. Flash will have the highest Terran winning percentage for a long time to come. This is the reason.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
July 05 2009 11:50 GMT
#676
btw shuttle vs flash, the end game, flash has 3 tanks and shuttle has 1 goon lol. we know who would win that, right?
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
July 05 2009 11:50 GMT
#677
Ok, last chance to exit this thread. If you aren't going to present a reasonable argument, don't post.
ModeratorGodfather
AlTheCake
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1071 Posts
July 05 2009 11:50 GMT
#678
On July 05 2009 20:49 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:46 Tinithor wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?

Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?


So after that the game should be over, any way that the game might be won after that is obviously lame and takes no skill at all. K

Skyhigh lost 1 vulture which eventually led to him losing the game. Flash did what he had to do to win, which is cool. I just think, in my opinion, you shouldn't be able to win by defending the whole game.

Oh okay, I'm glad we have that out of the way.

I suggest that you shouldn't watch TvP a lot in the future. Or you might get pissed.
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
July 05 2009 11:51 GMT
#679
On July 05 2009 20:50 Raithed wrote:
btw shuttle vs flash, the end game, flash has 3 tanks and shuttle has 1 goon lol. we know who would win that, right?

Spidermines
Tinithor
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1552 Posts
July 05 2009 11:51 GMT
#680
On July 05 2009 20:49 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:46 Tinithor wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:45 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:44 kNyTTyM wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:41 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Now you are just being obtuse. Offense is only offense when someone is defending a position?

And yes, you are incorrect in thinking that Flash did not have to fight for the bottom expansions. Go watch the VOD when it is out.

I can't help but think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I am willing to respect a different opinion, but I am not willing to respect an opinion based on what you forgot you saw.

He turtled the entire game and only acted when Shuttle failed to break the turtle.


What do YOU suggest Flash do in a situation where he is 40-50 supply down?

Maybe not lose a fight which results in him being 40-50 supply down?


So after that the game should be over, any way that the game might be won after that is obviously lame and takes no skill at all. K

Skyhigh lost 1 vulture which eventually led to him losing the game. Flash did what he had to do to win, which is cool. I just think, in my opinion, you shouldn't be able to win by defending the whole game.


Lets apply this theory to real life then. LETS say that your in a war that you didn't start. The other country attacks you. Your GOAL in the war is to defend! If you manage to accomplish that shouldn't you win? Or should you lose because you weren't on the offensive? Why do you have to cross the middle of the map to be offensive? He didn't own his whole side of the map the whole game, he had to be offensive and TAKE his side of the map, he didn't get it free like Shuttle did.
"Oh-My-GOD" ... "Is many mutas, Yes?"
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 36 39 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 24m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft512
ProTech71
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35474
Shuttle 3503
firebathero 632
Soma 484
BeSt 286
Rush 274
Stork 213
Dewaltoss 132
Snow 113
Mong 84
[ Show more ]
Barracks 83
Larva 80
Sea.KH 63
Hyun 57
soO 39
JulyZerg 37
Bale 34
zelot 25
Sharp 23
NaDa 20
sSak 19
HiyA 18
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Sexy 12
IntoTheRainbow 12
Terrorterran 9
Dota 2
qojqva1506
League of Legends
Grubby3177
Counter-Strike
fl0m555
x6flipin381
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King89
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor106
Other Games
singsing1818
FrodaN791
Beastyqt602
B2W.Neo421
ceh9322
Liquid`VortiX157
XaKoH 139
ArmadaUGS88
Trikslyr34
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Shameless 27
• mYiSmile127
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV79
League of Legends
• Nemesis2584
• TFBlade704
Other Games
• Shiphtur137
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 24m
Escore
18h 24m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
19h 24m
RSL Revival
1d 17h
herO vs SHIN
Clem vs Solar
Serral vs Rogue
Ladder Legends
2 days
Ladder Legends
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
OSC
2 days
OSC
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
The Patches Monday
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-05
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.