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On March 02 2009 12:42 sk` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 12:31 Manifesto7 wrote:How the fuck am I to watch starcraft while staying off the internet? Pardon me for not taking the careful time to detail a great length the means to watch SC while avoiding nasty spoilers... uh... because I assumed people would assume "net" to mean "places on the net you're likely to find..." Like the example that they stated about the Bisu interview. OK, so Bisu was interviewed - so? He's interviewed often; there's no law saying you have to assume it relates to tournament A, B, or C. Likely the chump clicked on the "interview" and "zomfg SPOILERS IN MY TLs OH NOES!" Pretty simple solution, if there's something you really don't want soiled stay off community sites and watch the damn thing in peace. It doesn't take a brain trust to know you're likely to bump into spoilers on community sites. More importantly, most people in the know enough to be on TL know how to get VODs sans TL to see their matches. Of course my views are entirely my own as I don't have any issues with spoilers as the result isn't remotely as interesting as how the result was arrived at.
I hate spoilers with a burning passion. If I know the result of the game it ruins half the point of me watching it. I'm not as excited about anything, because I already know that it's going to work (or not going to work, alternatively). You say that the result isn't as interesting as how it's arrived at; I say that result spoilers can spoil how something is arrived at. If you know the result of a game, and someone goes all-in, then you already know how the result was arrived. It's like the progress bar on a replay/youtube. Also, sometimes there's an asshole who posts a spoiler thread before the VOD's are out. For those of us who hate spoilers (and judging by the amount of views the Small VOD thread gets, it's a lot of people who don't want to get spoiled), the starcraft match is basically ruined.
Spoilers take out the excitement of watching starcraft. How can you cheer for your favorite player if you know that he lost? I don't know if you tend to post spoilers or not, but please don't. You can ruin a match just based on a few words, and depending how much a match is hyped, someone's entire day. Just please don't do it.
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On March 02 2009 12:17 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 12:14 LonelyMargarita wrote:+ Show Spoiler [GOM match possible spoiler] +I'm watching the GOM special match now, but before I know who won, I'm going to request a ban to the person who made the thread "[translation] Bisu interview" if Bisu won. I realize there's a tiny tiny possibility it could be about something else or about him losing, but based on the fact that koreans don't care about ELO, I'm 99% certain he won based solely on that thread title and its timing. There's always a "[translation] League winner interview" thread the day after a big game, not so much for the loser. I'm watching the games now, but with a preconceived notion of what will happen. If I'm wrong I'll come back and edit this out. are you REALLY proposing banning people who put the effort to translate interviews for the non-korean speaking community? seriously?
If they ruin the outcome of a big game, yes. Why would it matter who it is? It seems unfair that people only get banned when they ruin games for a mod, and not for everyone else. If you can't watch the MSL finals and you see a thread the next morning titled "XellOs Interview," you can't tell me you wouldn't be pissed at whoever made it if XellOs was the winner (or even if he lost because you'd watch the games with an expectation). Just because someone contributes to the site doesn't make him immune to the rules.
I had the GOM Finals ruined by the title of a thread, and I don't think anyone was banned. It was either because the mods had already watched the games, are inconsistent in banning for spoiling games, or changed their policy on it. I know for GOM games, I could stay away from the site until I watch the games, but for MSL, OSL, and proleague, I have to come to the site to get the VODs.
For coincidentally untimely threads that may appear to ruin a series but are unrelated, the OP should be PMed telling him to be more cautious to title the thread more specifically, and perhaps a mod can change the title to clarify things (e.g. the date or topic of the interview or something).
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Put a piece of paper on the left side of your computer, ez solution. Same with those going, "hide the replay bar". Except the paper (ideally note card) goes in the bottom right.
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On March 02 2009 14:04 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Put a piece of paper on the left side of your computer, ez solution. Same with those going, "hide the replay bar". Except the paper (ideally note card) goes in the bottom right.
orr just don't care about it and enjoy the game for wat that game has to offer
though that would be a good solution
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 02 2009 14:02 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 12:17 LosingID8 wrote:On March 02 2009 12:14 LonelyMargarita wrote:+ Show Spoiler [GOM match possible spoiler] +I'm watching the GOM special match now, but before I know who won, I'm going to request a ban to the person who made the thread "[translation] Bisu interview" if Bisu won. I realize there's a tiny tiny possibility it could be about something else or about him losing, but based on the fact that koreans don't care about ELO, I'm 99% certain he won based solely on that thread title and its timing. There's always a "[translation] League winner interview" thread the day after a big game, not so much for the loser. I'm watching the games now, but with a preconceived notion of what will happen. If I'm wrong I'll come back and edit this out. are you REALLY proposing banning people who put the effort to translate interviews for the non-korean speaking community? seriously? If they ruin the outcome of a big game, yes. Why would it matter who it is? It seems unfair that people only get banned when they ruin games for a mod, and not for everyone else. If you can't watch the MSL finals and you see a thread the next morning titled "XellOs Interview," you can't tell me you wouldn't be pissed at whoever made it if XellOs was the winner (or even if he lost because you'd watch the games with an expectation). Just because someone contributes to the site doesn't make him immune to the rules. I had the GOM Finals ruined by the title of a thread, and I don't think anyone was banned. It was either because the mods had already watched the games, are inconsistent in banning for spoiling games, or changed their policy on it. I know for GOM games, I could stay away from the site until I watch the games, but for MSL, OSL, and proleague, I have to come to the site to get the VODs. For coincidentally untimely threads that may appear to ruin a series but are unrelated, the OP should be PMed telling him to be more cautious to title the thread more specifically, and perhaps a mod can change the title to clarify things (e.g. the date or topic of the interview or something).
We don't ban new people who are translating interviews, dude. That's fucking STUPID.
When a moderator sees it they will change the thread title and send the poster a PM for future reference, but if someone takes the time to translate an interview and post it here for us, we are NOT going to fucking ban them over something like that.
Get your head out of your ass, these people are certainly contributing far more than you are.
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On March 02 2009 14:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 14:02 LonelyMargarita wrote:On March 02 2009 12:17 LosingID8 wrote:On March 02 2009 12:14 LonelyMargarita wrote:+ Show Spoiler [GOM match possible spoiler] +I'm watching the GOM special match now, but before I know who won, I'm going to request a ban to the person who made the thread "[translation] Bisu interview" if Bisu won. I realize there's a tiny tiny possibility it could be about something else or about him losing, but based on the fact that koreans don't care about ELO, I'm 99% certain he won based solely on that thread title and its timing. There's always a "[translation] League winner interview" thread the day after a big game, not so much for the loser. I'm watching the games now, but with a preconceived notion of what will happen. If I'm wrong I'll come back and edit this out. are you REALLY proposing banning people who put the effort to translate interviews for the non-korean speaking community? seriously? If they ruin the outcome of a big game, yes. Why would it matter who it is? It seems unfair that people only get banned when they ruin games for a mod, and not for everyone else. If you can't watch the MSL finals and you see a thread the next morning titled "XellOs Interview," you can't tell me you wouldn't be pissed at whoever made it if XellOs was the winner (or even if he lost because you'd watch the games with an expectation). Just because someone contributes to the site doesn't make him immune to the rules. I had the GOM Finals ruined by the title of a thread, and I don't think anyone was banned. It was either because the mods had already watched the games, are inconsistent in banning for spoiling games, or changed their policy on it. I know for GOM games, I could stay away from the site until I watch the games, but for MSL, OSL, and proleague, I have to come to the site to get the VODs. For coincidentally untimely threads that may appear to ruin a series but are unrelated, the OP should be PMed telling him to be more cautious to title the thread more specifically, and perhaps a mod can change the title to clarify things (e.g. the date or topic of the interview or something). We don't ban new people who are translating interviews, dude. That's fucking STUPID. When a moderator sees it they will change the thread title and send the poster a PM for future reference, but if someone takes the time to translate an interview and post it here for us, we are NOT going to fucking ban them over something like that. Get your head out of your ass, these people are certainly contributing far more than you are.
So if I translate the post-OSL Finals interview first, I can ruin the outcome?
You are saying that people who contribute more than others are not bound by the rules. If that is the case, the Commandments should be changed to say that. I was under the impression that the rules applied to everyone.
EDIT: And I don't see how calling me stupid, swearing at me, and telling me to get my head out of my ass is necessary.
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Watch the game before you surv TL if you have that hughe problem with. I don´t care to know who won if it was a good game.
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On March 02 2009 15:02 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 14:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On March 02 2009 14:02 LonelyMargarita wrote:On March 02 2009 12:17 LosingID8 wrote:On March 02 2009 12:14 LonelyMargarita wrote:+ Show Spoiler [GOM match possible spoiler] +I'm watching the GOM special match now, but before I know who won, I'm going to request a ban to the person who made the thread "[translation] Bisu interview" if Bisu won. I realize there's a tiny tiny possibility it could be about something else or about him losing, but based on the fact that koreans don't care about ELO, I'm 99% certain he won based solely on that thread title and its timing. There's always a "[translation] League winner interview" thread the day after a big game, not so much for the loser. I'm watching the games now, but with a preconceived notion of what will happen. If I'm wrong I'll come back and edit this out. are you REALLY proposing banning people who put the effort to translate interviews for the non-korean speaking community? seriously? If they ruin the outcome of a big game, yes. Why would it matter who it is? It seems unfair that people only get banned when they ruin games for a mod, and not for everyone else. If you can't watch the MSL finals and you see a thread the next morning titled "XellOs Interview," you can't tell me you wouldn't be pissed at whoever made it if XellOs was the winner (or even if he lost because you'd watch the games with an expectation). Just because someone contributes to the site doesn't make him immune to the rules. I had the GOM Finals ruined by the title of a thread, and I don't think anyone was banned. It was either because the mods had already watched the games, are inconsistent in banning for spoiling games, or changed their policy on it. I know for GOM games, I could stay away from the site until I watch the games, but for MSL, OSL, and proleague, I have to come to the site to get the VODs. For coincidentally untimely threads that may appear to ruin a series but are unrelated, the OP should be PMed telling him to be more cautious to title the thread more specifically, and perhaps a mod can change the title to clarify things (e.g. the date or topic of the interview or something). We don't ban new people who are translating interviews, dude. That's fucking STUPID. When a moderator sees it they will change the thread title and send the poster a PM for future reference, but if someone takes the time to translate an interview and post it here for us, we are NOT going to fucking ban them over something like that. Get your head out of your ass, these people are certainly contributing far more than you are. So if I translate the post-OSL Finals interview first, I can ruin the outcome? You are saying that people who contribute more than others are not bound by the rules. If that is the case, the Commandments should be changed to say that. I was under the impression that the rules applied to everyone. EDIT: And I don't see how calling me stupid, swearing at me, and telling me to get my head out of my ass is necessary.
no, he is saying that a new member accidently makes a mistake while contributing and expresses regret for doing so then the staff will mop up the mistake and inform the person how to prevent it in future.
if you knowingly do something disruptive to the community because you cant see the difference or to make a point then your head is up your ass and you will be banned for it. stupid.
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On March 02 2009 15:18 Ilvy wrote:
Watch the game before you surv TL if you have that hughe problem with. I don´t care to know who won if it was a good game.
If that is the policy, that is fine, but it seemed to me that spoiling games (especially finals, special matches) was a bannable offense. If it was, I was suggesting more consistency in its enforcement - I see many people in the banned list for spoiling, but the note always says they spoiled the game for a mod. If it wasn't, I'm suggesting it should be bannable.
I do not understand why people get irate over someone having a differing opinion than them. You can disagree with someone, even strongly disagree, in a civil manner. I made a suggestion regarding a hypothetical situation. If all the mods disagree with me that's fine, but I feel at least a little clarification regarding some rules such as this one would help with understanding and consistency, and make the site better for everyone.
So should I bookmark the VOD page and not browse any other sections if I'm not up to date on a game I plan to watch?
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You really don't want to stick a piece of paper to the left side of your computer, do you?
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On March 02 2009 15:26 Lachrymose wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 15:02 LonelyMargarita wrote:On March 02 2009 14:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On March 02 2009 14:02 LonelyMargarita wrote:On March 02 2009 12:17 LosingID8 wrote:On March 02 2009 12:14 LonelyMargarita wrote:+ Show Spoiler [GOM match possible spoiler] +I'm watching the GOM special match now, but before I know who won, I'm going to request a ban to the person who made the thread "[translation] Bisu interview" if Bisu won. I realize there's a tiny tiny possibility it could be about something else or about him losing, but based on the fact that koreans don't care about ELO, I'm 99% certain he won based solely on that thread title and its timing. There's always a "[translation] League winner interview" thread the day after a big game, not so much for the loser. I'm watching the games now, but with a preconceived notion of what will happen. If I'm wrong I'll come back and edit this out. are you REALLY proposing banning people who put the effort to translate interviews for the non-korean speaking community? seriously? If they ruin the outcome of a big game, yes. Why would it matter who it is? It seems unfair that people only get banned when they ruin games for a mod, and not for everyone else. If you can't watch the MSL finals and you see a thread the next morning titled "XellOs Interview," you can't tell me you wouldn't be pissed at whoever made it if XellOs was the winner (or even if he lost because you'd watch the games with an expectation). Just because someone contributes to the site doesn't make him immune to the rules. I had the GOM Finals ruined by the title of a thread, and I don't think anyone was banned. It was either because the mods had already watched the games, are inconsistent in banning for spoiling games, or changed their policy on it. I know for GOM games, I could stay away from the site until I watch the games, but for MSL, OSL, and proleague, I have to come to the site to get the VODs. For coincidentally untimely threads that may appear to ruin a series but are unrelated, the OP should be PMed telling him to be more cautious to title the thread more specifically, and perhaps a mod can change the title to clarify things (e.g. the date or topic of the interview or something). We don't ban new people who are translating interviews, dude. That's fucking STUPID. When a moderator sees it they will change the thread title and send the poster a PM for future reference, but if someone takes the time to translate an interview and post it here for us, we are NOT going to fucking ban them over something like that. Get your head out of your ass, these people are certainly contributing far more than you are. So if I translate the post-OSL Finals interview first, I can ruin the outcome? You are saying that people who contribute more than others are not bound by the rules. If that is the case, the Commandments should be changed to say that. I was under the impression that the rules applied to everyone. EDIT: And I don't see how calling me stupid, swearing at me, and telling me to get my head out of my ass is necessary. no, he is saying that a new member accidently makes a mistake while contributing and expresses regret for doing so then the staff will mop up the mistake and inform the person how to prevent it in future. if you knowingly do something disruptive to the community because you cant see the difference or to make a point then your head is up your ass and you will be banned for it. stupid.
I never said anything about it being a new person. Perhaps that is confusing you guys.
On March 02 2009 15:37 Avidkeystamper wrote:
You really don't want to stick a piece of paper to the left side of your computer, do you?
I asked for clarification on the matter of spoilers. I did not address your suggestion.
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forum cleanse 2009..!!
hate to say i am bashful to some progamers sometime
but I can't stand the sore winner post-game smack talk.
"Cry more" "QQ" please take that shit else where.
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On March 02 2009 15:38 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 15:26 Lachrymose wrote:On March 02 2009 15:02 LonelyMargarita wrote:On March 02 2009 14:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On March 02 2009 14:02 LonelyMargarita wrote:On March 02 2009 12:17 LosingID8 wrote:On March 02 2009 12:14 LonelyMargarita wrote:+ Show Spoiler [GOM match possible spoiler] +I'm watching the GOM special match now, but before I know who won, I'm going to request a ban to the person who made the thread "[translation] Bisu interview" if Bisu won. I realize there's a tiny tiny possibility it could be about something else or about him losing, but based on the fact that koreans don't care about ELO, I'm 99% certain he won based solely on that thread title and its timing. There's always a "[translation] League winner interview" thread the day after a big game, not so much for the loser. I'm watching the games now, but with a preconceived notion of what will happen. If I'm wrong I'll come back and edit this out. are you REALLY proposing banning people who put the effort to translate interviews for the non-korean speaking community? seriously? If they ruin the outcome of a big game, yes. Why would it matter who it is? It seems unfair that people only get banned when they ruin games for a mod, and not for everyone else. If you can't watch the MSL finals and you see a thread the next morning titled "XellOs Interview," you can't tell me you wouldn't be pissed at whoever made it if XellOs was the winner (or even if he lost because you'd watch the games with an expectation). Just because someone contributes to the site doesn't make him immune to the rules. I had the GOM Finals ruined by the title of a thread, and I don't think anyone was banned. It was either because the mods had already watched the games, are inconsistent in banning for spoiling games, or changed their policy on it. I know for GOM games, I could stay away from the site until I watch the games, but for MSL, OSL, and proleague, I have to come to the site to get the VODs. For coincidentally untimely threads that may appear to ruin a series but are unrelated, the OP should be PMed telling him to be more cautious to title the thread more specifically, and perhaps a mod can change the title to clarify things (e.g. the date or topic of the interview or something). We don't ban new people who are translating interviews, dude. That's fucking STUPID. When a moderator sees it they will change the thread title and send the poster a PM for future reference, but if someone takes the time to translate an interview and post it here for us, we are NOT going to fucking ban them over something like that. Get your head out of your ass, these people are certainly contributing far more than you are. So if I translate the post-OSL Finals interview first, I can ruin the outcome? You are saying that people who contribute more than others are not bound by the rules. If that is the case, the Commandments should be changed to say that. I was under the impression that the rules applied to everyone. EDIT: And I don't see how calling me stupid, swearing at me, and telling me to get my head out of my ass is necessary. no, he is saying that a new member accidently makes a mistake while contributing and expresses regret for doing so then the staff will mop up the mistake and inform the person how to prevent it in future. if you knowingly do something disruptive to the community because you cant see the difference or to make a point then your head is up your ass and you will be banned for it. stupid. I never said anything about it being a new person. Perhaps that is confusing you guys. Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 15:37 Avidkeystamper wrote:
You really don't want to stick a piece of paper to the left side of your computer, do you? I asked for clarification on the matter of spoilers. I did not address your suggestion.
On March 02 2009 15:35 LonelyMargarita wrote:
So should I bookmark the VOD page and not browse any other sections if I'm not up to date on a game I plan to watch?
Yea, you ignored my suggestion, specifically, what am I supposed to do? However, the main point here is that the staff are unable to determine whether people who spoil interviews do it on purpose or without malicious intent, so no suitable action can be taken.
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Fully support cleaning up of LR threads. Nothing is more pointless and stupid than a LR thread that gets derailed by a huge flame war, especially when you're trying to actually figure out what's going on in the game.
Re: spoilers, I think mods are generally pretty good about dealing with them. People who post spoilers usually get told not to do it in the future, and possibly banned for a couple days, and mods change the title of the thread. Since people who spoil, unlike people who post garbage, don't usually do it again, bans are not a very effective way of preventing them.
And yeah, there's this one site where you can watch gomtv games without getting spoiled: http://gomtv.net.
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Osaka27156 Posts
On March 02 2009 15:35 LonelyMargarita wrote:
So should I bookmark the VOD page and not browse any other sections if I'm not up to date on a game I plan to watch?
Yes. Mods do their best when dealing with spoilers. It has nothing to do with whether it affects us or not. I can assure you I have had more games spoiled for me because of having to moderate and protect regular posters than you have simply by browsing. In the end though, we cannot idiot-proof everything 100%.
People insult you because you come off like a prick in your posts, insinuating that there is a self-serving mod bias. The rules are quite simple. Anybody who spoils maliciously is banned. People who do it unintentionally, while also giving back to the community are not. How is this hard to understand?
You know what is also a bannable offense? Signing up for a TL event (cough, racewars, cough) and not showing up. I didn't ban you though, because I thought you might accuse me of getting back at you for your bm in our games.
In future, don't be inflammatory with your opinions, and people won't think you are stupid.
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On March 02 2009 12:14 LonelyMargarita wrote:
EDIT: And I don't see how calling me stupid, swearing at me, and telling me to get my head out of my ass is necessary.
i always thought that was part of fakesteve's charm
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Fully agree with the way you want to clean LR threads, I just hate reading through them wtih 1/3 pages being pointless 1-liners.
btw, for caps post you could use this, at least to warn or something^^
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 02 2009 15:02 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 14:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On March 02 2009 14:02 LonelyMargarita wrote:On March 02 2009 12:17 LosingID8 wrote:On March 02 2009 12:14 LonelyMargarita wrote:+ Show Spoiler [GOM match possible spoiler] +I'm watching the GOM special match now, but before I know who won, I'm going to request a ban to the person who made the thread "[translation] Bisu interview" if Bisu won. I realize there's a tiny tiny possibility it could be about something else or about him losing, but based on the fact that koreans don't care about ELO, I'm 99% certain he won based solely on that thread title and its timing. There's always a "[translation] League winner interview" thread the day after a big game, not so much for the loser. I'm watching the games now, but with a preconceived notion of what will happen. If I'm wrong I'll come back and edit this out. are you REALLY proposing banning people who put the effort to translate interviews for the non-korean speaking community? seriously? If they ruin the outcome of a big game, yes. Why would it matter who it is? It seems unfair that people only get banned when they ruin games for a mod, and not for everyone else. If you can't watch the MSL finals and you see a thread the next morning titled "XellOs Interview," you can't tell me you wouldn't be pissed at whoever made it if XellOs was the winner (or even if he lost because you'd watch the games with an expectation). Just because someone contributes to the site doesn't make him immune to the rules. I had the GOM Finals ruined by the title of a thread, and I don't think anyone was banned. It was either because the mods had already watched the games, are inconsistent in banning for spoiling games, or changed their policy on it. I know for GOM games, I could stay away from the site until I watch the games, but for MSL, OSL, and proleague, I have to come to the site to get the VODs. For coincidentally untimely threads that may appear to ruin a series but are unrelated, the OP should be PMed telling him to be more cautious to title the thread more specifically, and perhaps a mod can change the title to clarify things (e.g. the date or topic of the interview or something). We don't ban new people who are translating interviews, dude. That's fucking STUPID. When a moderator sees it they will change the thread title and send the poster a PM for future reference, but if someone takes the time to translate an interview and post it here for us, we are NOT going to fucking ban them over something like that. Get your head out of your ass, these people are certainly contributing far more than you are. So if I translate the post-OSL Finals interview first, I can ruin the outcome? You are saying that people who contribute more than others are not bound by the rules. If that is the case, the Commandments should be changed to say that. I was under the impression that the rules applied to everyone. EDIT: And I don't see how calling me stupid, swearing at me, and telling me to get my head out of my ass is necessary.
new people who are therefore unfamiliar with the rules
we have a lot of new members sign up and translate stuff for us, and if they're spoiling results its handled between a moderator and that person, and it never turns into a problem
your suggestion that we just up and ban someone who spoils a result in an interview thread title is fucking asinine because it's isolated incidents with new posters who are therefore unfamiliar with the rules
so, get your head out of your ass, you cretin. highfive to my homeboy benjammin.
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I really appreciate this new rule. The only bad thing of Teamliquid.net was the constant childish flaming and the permanently use of bad street language. Hopefully the staff will be strict with this rule.
Flaming is unprofessionell, flaming is no fun, flaming is simply stupid and for those who dont think so:
NO, flaming is not a penis compensation.
So be friendly and stay mannered.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 02 2009 20:16 HanN00b wrote:
I really appreciate this new rule. The only bad thing of Teamliquid.net was the constant childish flaming and the permanently use of bad street language. Hopefully the staff will be strict with this rule.
Flaming is unprofessionell, flaming is no fun, flaming is simply stupid and for those who dont think so:
NO, flaming is not a penis compensation.
So be friendly and stay mannered.
banned for flaming me about my small dick
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