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Wow, I feel like such a huge spammer. I think I made more than 100 posts in this thread in the last few hours O__O I hope people enjoyed my LR  .
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I think Flash must've read the last power rank and been offended at being called "just a really good player".
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On February 08 2009 16:05 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2009 15:59 baubo wrote:On February 08 2009 15:56 darktreb wrote:On February 08 2009 15:54 GHOSTCLAW wrote:On February 08 2009 15:52 CDRdude wrote:On February 08 2009 15:51 Shikyo wrote:On February 08 2009 15:47 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Flash was just amazing. Anyone have any specifics of how jd could have played better? Not go for a retarded 2hatch, not lose every muta and the lurkers trying to look smart, go out on andromeda instead, not try to be so aggressive with early lurkerling, not leave lurkers to be flanked, etc. Flash had nice map hacks going, though. This is entirely hindsight though. Also, when to go out is coach's decision, I think. Yep, coach sends out based on who he thinks. JD is obviously their best player, and the coach figures that JD is his best chance. You might as well send out your best chance last, becuase if he loses, there's no one that can really beat flash anyway Well the issue with this logic is that you gotta send JD out on the map that gives him the best chance to beat Flash. But given the way Flash was playing, it doesn't look like JD would have won on Andromeda either seeing as how 2 Hatch Muta doesn't really work well there and it seems like Flash has the upper hand in the massive macro games. Umm... we're not talking about ZvPs here. Sending Jaedong out on Andromeda is suicide given the map imbalance towards terran, and the fact that it negates Jaedong's biggest advantage, MICRO. Andromeda's mineral only 3rd is very favorable towards terran going M&Ms. Edit: Thank god I finally got some returns for having Flash on my Fantasy team. It's about damn time Flash started pwning. Yeah, I guess I was unclear, but I was trying to say that Andromeda would have been an even worse map to send JD on.
I see. In the end, I don't see anything wrong with the Oz coach to send players in the series. Only that Flash was simply "on" today and this sort of thing happens.
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MrHoon
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Still, Im happy flash stopped sucking against good players
I was really disappointed when he was noob bashing everyone then got a onesided match with good players.
Enjoying your SK terran flash, although you did bring back Old Metal build, SK terran makes it alot more fun to watch
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On February 08 2009 16:11 MrHoon wrote:
Still, Im happy flash stopped sucking against good players
I was really disappointed when he was noob bashing everyone then got a onesided match with good players.
Enjoying your SK terran flash, although you did bring back Old Metal build, SK terran makes it alot more fun to watch
I was feeling exactly the same way. That was really painful.
I really hope Flash will have a good season and show us some more great games.
Also it seems like Flash's TvZ is back in shape now
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On February 08 2009 16:05 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2009 15:59 baubo wrote:On February 08 2009 15:56 darktreb wrote:On February 08 2009 15:54 GHOSTCLAW wrote:On February 08 2009 15:52 CDRdude wrote:On February 08 2009 15:51 Shikyo wrote:On February 08 2009 15:47 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Flash was just amazing. Anyone have any specifics of how jd could have played better? Not go for a retarded 2hatch, not lose every muta and the lurkers trying to look smart, go out on andromeda instead, not try to be so aggressive with early lurkerling, not leave lurkers to be flanked, etc. Flash had nice map hacks going, though. This is entirely hindsight though. Also, when to go out is coach's decision, I think. Yep, coach sends out based on who he thinks. JD is obviously their best player, and the coach figures that JD is his best chance. You might as well send out your best chance last, becuase if he loses, there's no one that can really beat flash anyway Well the issue with this logic is that you gotta send JD out on the map that gives him the best chance to beat Flash. But given the way Flash was playing, it doesn't look like JD would have won on Andromeda either seeing as how 2 Hatch Muta doesn't really work well there and it seems like Flash has the upper hand in the massive macro games. Umm... we're not talking about ZvPs here. Sending Jaedong out on Andromeda is suicide given the map imbalance towards terran, and the fact that it negates Jaedong's biggest advantage, MICRO. Andromeda's mineral only 3rd is very favorable towards terran going M&Ms. Edit: Thank god I finally got some returns for having Flash on my Fantasy team. It's about damn time Flash started pwning. Yeah, I guess I was unclear, but I was trying to say that Andromeda would have been an even worse map to send JD on.
Actually I dont think andromeda is as bad as the stats imply, a large portion of those games are great Ts beating lesser Zergs that they probably would beat on most maps anyway. Lux is even 3-1 there beating great TvZ players like Mind, Flash and FBH. And for reference chupung is even worse % wise.
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MrHoon
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On February 08 2009 16:16 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2009 16:05 darktreb wrote:On February 08 2009 15:59 baubo wrote:On February 08 2009 15:56 darktreb wrote:On February 08 2009 15:54 GHOSTCLAW wrote:On February 08 2009 15:52 CDRdude wrote:On February 08 2009 15:51 Shikyo wrote:On February 08 2009 15:47 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Flash was just amazing. Anyone have any specifics of how jd could have played better? Not go for a retarded 2hatch, not lose every muta and the lurkers trying to look smart, go out on andromeda instead, not try to be so aggressive with early lurkerling, not leave lurkers to be flanked, etc. Flash had nice map hacks going, though. This is entirely hindsight though. Also, when to go out is coach's decision, I think. Yep, coach sends out based on who he thinks. JD is obviously their best player, and the coach figures that JD is his best chance. You might as well send out your best chance last, becuase if he loses, there's no one that can really beat flash anyway Well the issue with this logic is that you gotta send JD out on the map that gives him the best chance to beat Flash. But given the way Flash was playing, it doesn't look like JD would have won on Andromeda either seeing as how 2 Hatch Muta doesn't really work well there and it seems like Flash has the upper hand in the massive macro games. Umm... we're not talking about ZvPs here. Sending Jaedong out on Andromeda is suicide given the map imbalance towards terran, and the fact that it negates Jaedong's biggest advantage, MICRO. Andromeda's mineral only 3rd is very favorable towards terran going M&Ms. Edit: Thank god I finally got some returns for having Flash on my Fantasy team. It's about damn time Flash started pwning. Yeah, I guess I was unclear, but I was trying to say that Andromeda would have been an even worse map to send JD on. Actually I dont think andromeda is as bad as the stats imply, a large portion of those games are great Ts beating lesser Zergs that they probably would beat on most maps anyway. Lux is even 3-1 there beating great TvZ players like Mind, Flash and FBH. And for reference chupung is even worse % wise.
counting offline games, Lux is 10:2 on the map, which is why the commentators during skt vs khan kept saying this is Luxury's map
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hm.. there was no LB for this match ? Anyway.. Great performance for flash, now he needs to own hwasin and best in OSL :D!
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On February 08 2009 16:19 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2009 16:16 Oystein wrote:On February 08 2009 16:05 darktreb wrote:On February 08 2009 15:59 baubo wrote:On February 08 2009 15:56 darktreb wrote:On February 08 2009 15:54 GHOSTCLAW wrote:On February 08 2009 15:52 CDRdude wrote:On February 08 2009 15:51 Shikyo wrote:On February 08 2009 15:47 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Flash was just amazing. Anyone have any specifics of how jd could have played better? Not go for a retarded 2hatch, not lose every muta and the lurkers trying to look smart, go out on andromeda instead, not try to be so aggressive with early lurkerling, not leave lurkers to be flanked, etc. Flash had nice map hacks going, though. This is entirely hindsight though. Also, when to go out is coach's decision, I think. Yep, coach sends out based on who he thinks. JD is obviously their best player, and the coach figures that JD is his best chance. You might as well send out your best chance last, becuase if he loses, there's no one that can really beat flash anyway Well the issue with this logic is that you gotta send JD out on the map that gives him the best chance to beat Flash. But given the way Flash was playing, it doesn't look like JD would have won on Andromeda either seeing as how 2 Hatch Muta doesn't really work well there and it seems like Flash has the upper hand in the massive macro games. Umm... we're not talking about ZvPs here. Sending Jaedong out on Andromeda is suicide given the map imbalance towards terran, and the fact that it negates Jaedong's biggest advantage, MICRO. Andromeda's mineral only 3rd is very favorable towards terran going M&Ms. Edit: Thank god I finally got some returns for having Flash on my Fantasy team. It's about damn time Flash started pwning. Yeah, I guess I was unclear, but I was trying to say that Andromeda would have been an even worse map to send JD on. Actually I dont think andromeda is as bad as the stats imply, a large portion of those games are great Ts beating lesser Zergs that they probably would beat on most maps anyway. Lux is even 3-1 there beating great TvZ players like Mind, Flash and FBH. And for reference chupung is even worse % wise. counting offline games, Lux is 10:2 on the map, which is why the commentators during skt vs khan kept saying this is Luxury's map
Do the commentators ever mention Bisu and medusa then? Because hes 18-5 on it and was 13-2 at it.
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On February 08 2009 16:23 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2009 16:19 MrHoon wrote:On February 08 2009 16:16 Oystein wrote:On February 08 2009 16:05 darktreb wrote:On February 08 2009 15:59 baubo wrote:On February 08 2009 15:56 darktreb wrote:On February 08 2009 15:54 GHOSTCLAW wrote:On February 08 2009 15:52 CDRdude wrote:On February 08 2009 15:51 Shikyo wrote:On February 08 2009 15:47 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Flash was just amazing. Anyone have any specifics of how jd could have played better? Not go for a retarded 2hatch, not lose every muta and the lurkers trying to look smart, go out on andromeda instead, not try to be so aggressive with early lurkerling, not leave lurkers to be flanked, etc. Flash had nice map hacks going, though. This is entirely hindsight though. Also, when to go out is coach's decision, I think. Yep, coach sends out based on who he thinks. JD is obviously their best player, and the coach figures that JD is his best chance. You might as well send out your best chance last, becuase if he loses, there's no one that can really beat flash anyway Well the issue with this logic is that you gotta send JD out on the map that gives him the best chance to beat Flash. But given the way Flash was playing, it doesn't look like JD would have won on Andromeda either seeing as how 2 Hatch Muta doesn't really work well there and it seems like Flash has the upper hand in the massive macro games. Umm... we're not talking about ZvPs here. Sending Jaedong out on Andromeda is suicide given the map imbalance towards terran, and the fact that it negates Jaedong's biggest advantage, MICRO. Andromeda's mineral only 3rd is very favorable towards terran going M&Ms. Edit: Thank god I finally got some returns for having Flash on my Fantasy team. It's about damn time Flash started pwning. Yeah, I guess I was unclear, but I was trying to say that Andromeda would have been an even worse map to send JD on. Actually I dont think andromeda is as bad as the stats imply, a large portion of those games are great Ts beating lesser Zergs that they probably would beat on most maps anyway. Lux is even 3-1 there beating great TvZ players like Mind, Flash and FBH. And for reference chupung is even worse % wise. counting offline games, Lux is 10:2 on the map, which is why the commentators during skt vs khan kept saying this is Luxury's map Do the commentators ever mention Bisu and medusa then? Because hes 18-5 on it and was 13-2 at it.
Not really, because it is a difficult terran map. But at the same time nobody cares its a bad terran map because nobody cares if terran players suffer.
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Flash fanboy reporting in. Off to go check out these games on youtube, woo hoo!
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
- You defeated the number 1 team hwaseung oz, in an all kill too
▲ We are very happy we defeated the #1 team. I hope KTF can become a powerful team too soon.
- Did you expect to do an all kill?
▲ No. I was expecting to do 2 kills (3 at most), then hope Luxury Hyung would finish it up. I didn't really prepare for this at all.
- You played 3 TvTs today
▲ It was so difficult. But I am happy I won them all. I thought if I did my part, I would be able to take a break
- In the game against Jaedong, it looked like you knew everything as if you were psychic.
▲ Although I did study Jaedong Hyung's style alot, I've realized almost every zergs play ZvT the exact same as he is. Jaedong hyung studied how I played too, so he prepared his build. I expected this so I prepared a counter build for his counter build.
- You seemed in the best condition and confident today
▲ I was very unconfident today. I even told my coaches I think I would lose today. But then after I did 2 kills, I started to get more confident
- You lost a very close game in OSL
▲ It is sad, but I think its okay. If I dropped from MSL and won my OSL game, that would've been the worst cast scenario so I am happy with this result. I will try harder at OSL, so it will be fine. I did practice more for MSL anyways, so I am happy with the result.
- You are #1 in proleague wins now
▲ Now is the start. Even though I am #1, this is winner's league, anything can happen. I can't sit here and relax, praising myself. I have to get better.
- Last words
▲ I want to thank my teammates for practicing with me.
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On February 08 2009 16:38 MrHoon wrote:
- Last words
▲ I want to thank my teammates for practicing with me.
They certainly didn't do a whole lot else today...
Seriously, I know everybody thinks KTF besides Flash/Luxury suck, but there seems like there's talent there. A guy like Tempest seems like a guy who can put together some great games but makes so many of these mistakes (today it was apparently forgetting zealot legs).
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Thanks for the translation MrHoon, Flash sounds like such a nice kid.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
On February 08 2009 16:38 MrHoon wrote:
- In the game against Jaedong, it looked like you knew everything as if you were psychic.
▲ Although I did study Jaedong Hyung's style alot, I've realized almost every zergs play ZvT the exact same as he is. Jaedong hyung studied how I played too, so he prepared his build. I expected this so I prepared a counter build for his counter build.
lol, sounds badass, that was rape. Too many t>z maps in use though, as if recent starleagues genocide wasn't enough.
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It looks like Flash's recent bio builds are helping him a lot against zerg. He's focusing on marines and turrets and upgrades at first, saving a little bit of gas for double starports and vessels later. No tanks in sight.
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Thanks for the translation! I'm amazed at how well Flash read Jaedong.
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Flash sat down and never got up.
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On February 08 2009 15:38 ZoW wrote:
Flashax for the win. He only moves his scv to make it look legit
hahahahaha
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Flash needs to be nerfed, seriously.
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