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MoRe_mInErAls
Canada1210 Posts
On January 24 2009 07:18 arb wrote: Jaedong does suck against mech, he lost to flash before it was a popular build What Zerg consistently beats mech? On January 23 2009 07:55 arb wrote: Jaedong sucks he's going to lose No you lose | ||
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loupouk
France105 Posts
The sadest thing is I'm a zerg user and Jaedong is my favorite player. I'm so disapointed when he plays like this. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
Just want to say: All I heard yesterday was how imba Terran mech was, that Terran can make mistakes, but Zerg can't make any mistakes. Shut the hell up, please. That was a TERRIBLE performance by JD. I've seen so many ridiculous mistakes. You have two spires, you have the failed natural break where he lost all his mutas and most of his his hydras in the beginning, you have the big drop into mined territory where again he lost a lot of hydras and 5-6 overlords and did no damage. He later suicided another control group of mutas directly into a group of turrets without doing damage. The fact that he came as close as he did while playing like that is amazing. | ||
MrHoon
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On January 24 2009 13:07 SimonB wrote: I finally watched the vod of the second set on Medusa with Light and JD. Just want to say: All I heard yesterday was how imba Terran mech was, that Terran can make mistakes, but Zerg can't make any mistakes. Shut the hell up, please. That was a TERRIBLE performance by JD. I've seen so many ridiculous mistakes. You have two spires, you have the failed natural break where he lost all his mutas and most of his his hydras in the beginning, you have the big drop into mined territory where again he lost a lot of hydras and 5-6 overlords and did no damage. He later suicided another control group of mutas directly into a group of turrets without doing damage. The fact that he came as close as he did while playing like that is amazing. Your post is going to do what? You are just as biased as the other people in this thread and this will create endless flaming. You do realize he got two spires on purpose, right? Or is this another example of playing bad? Obviously, he made mistakes, but that doesn't disprove or support mech's effectiveness. I hear people generalize how races are playing bad or good, but it's not true. It's more dependent on maps; however, even this time maps are not so much the cause. The recent metagame has shifted and until zergs find a solid counter against mech, they will continue to get shafted again and again; they aren't playing worse, it's just that they don't have a solid plan. A good example is the 4Gate 2Archon build that raped the life out of zergs until they made semi-walls with their natural which completely shifted the balance of the MU. It's not that zergs suddenly 'became' good overnight, it's that they found a good build against a new one. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
Sayin` shit like Light played awful in the first game, and etc..and then JD played terrible in the second one...There are haters that forever will affirm that all the opponents that JD will beat are easy. It`s no point in arguing with them | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
I can't believe how Jaedong won after that start, he is amazing. Lights should probably have invested more into rax and rines instead of all those turrets. | ||
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
On January 24 2009 13:07 SimonB wrote: I finally watched the vod of the second set on Medusa with Light and JD. Just want to say: All I heard yesterday was how imba Terran mech was, that Terran can make mistakes, but Zerg can't make any mistakes. Shut the hell up, please. That was a TERRIBLE performance by JD. I've seen so many ridiculous mistakes. You have two spires, you have the failed natural break where he lost all his mutas and most of his his hydras in the beginning, you have the big drop into mined territory where again he lost a lot of hydras and 5-6 overlords and did no damage. He later suicided another control group of mutas directly into a group of turrets without doing damage. The fact that he came as close as he did while playing like that is amazing. Yes and that was mistakes and he lose. T can just bunker and the fact that they only need 200apm while Z have to have 400> to win is at that point imba. While Z are doing good v P they are doing so bad against Mech build. The argument that Z are playing bad dont hold. A B-class Z can beat any A-class P player at random encounters. Thats is not true when when it comes to beat a A-class T like Flash and Leta. They havent lose with a mech build to a b - class player. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On January 25 2009 01:28 sh02hp0869 wrote: Yes and that was mistakes and he lose. T can just bunker and the fact that they only need 200apm while Z have to have 400> to win is at that point imba. I'm pretty damn sure all top (and even most amateur) Korean Terrans have 300-400 apm, so you can stop spewing crap. It's pretty common knowledge that APM generally goes P<Z<T. | ||
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
I also thought it was funny how Light had a figting chance when doing sort of mech builds but got completly owned on the match that he tried "standard" MnM. Sure it looks like Jaedong has perfected anti MnM play. Maybe he will perfect anti mech play too? | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 25 2009 01:26 sh02hp0869 wrote: Can enybody recall where Z have beaten a Mech eith 3bases? Not it hasent happen and it wont Haha who are you, the oracle of starcraft strategy? Z will do fine against mech, besides Jaedong isn't exactly known for his strategical brilliance. He needs a solid gameplan before the match even starts. I think players like July will perform a lot better against mech. | ||
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Ideas
United States8167 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On January 24 2009 13:07 SimonB wrote: I finally watched the vod of the second set on Medusa with Light and JD. Just want to say: All I heard yesterday was how imba Terran mech was, that Terran can make mistakes, but Zerg can't make any mistakes. Shut the hell up, please. That was a TERRIBLE performance by JD. I've seen so many ridiculous mistakes. You have two spires.... I thought two Spires was relatively popular in some variants of anti-mech play because it allows you to, you know, upgrade your Mutalisks faster. It probably wasn't a mistake? I haven't watched the game yet but are you sure this isn't the case? | ||
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
On January 25 2009 08:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I thought two Spires was relatively popular in some variants of anti-mech play because it allows you to, you know, upgrade your Mutalisks faster. It probably wasn't a mistake? I haven't watched the game yet but are you sure this isn't the case? it was a mistake.... commentators said it probably was for one. case 2... he didnt have hive yet to upgrade further | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On January 25 2009 09:46 Avidkeystamper wrote: I'm a little confused, it was probably for one what? And what do you mean by case 2? Whats the point of getting fast upgrades if you aren't going to go hive to get the 3/3. Unless he was going for a fast 2/2 to stay at for a while, he could have upgraded off of one spire. What I don't get is why he went for mutas. I know its supposed to be the counter for mech builds, but that was back in the stone ages of the game. With the amount of turrets terrans put up now, the quicker upgrades making goliaths a lot stronger, terran repair micro on goliaths helping conserve numbers, and the level of macro in pumping goliaths have all made mutas an outdated counter, in of itself. edit: not to mention valkyries being utilized nowadays, too. | ||
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