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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
if i go mass wraith vs goon zeal temp tvp and get raped does that mean p>t? going unsupported mass hydra ling vs anything except pure goliath mech is essentially the same situation. hell he coulda won anyway had he not thrown away god knows how many units on dumb attacks and drops. mech isnt even very good, much less imbalanced, zergs just play dumb as fuck vs it. at least jaedong was prepared for the vulture runby unlike all the other idiots. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On January 25 2009 09:46 Avidkeystamper wrote: I'm a little confused, it was probably for one what? And what do you mean by case 2? I think he meant "for one thing." As in, "commentators said it was a mistake, for one thing. And in addition, blah blah blah." | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 25 2009 11:33 AzureEye wrote: I think the double spire was also a mistake too. But the point is, Jaedong did panick and make mistakes but that wasn't enough to change the outcome of the game. The reason is, mech is unproportionally strong against Z in TvZ No, Zerg players just aren't reacting well against it at the moment. | ||
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Ideas
United States8167 Posts
On January 25 2009 11:39 IdrA wrote: you people are fucking stupid if i go mass wraith vs goon zeal temp tvp and get raped does that mean p>t? going unsupported mass hydra ling vs anything except pure goliath mech is essentially the same situation. hell he coulda won anyway had he not thrown away god knows how many units on dumb attacks and drops. mech isnt even very good, much less imbalanced, zergs just play dumb as fuck vs it. at least jaedong was prepared for the vulture runby unlike all the other idiots. Could you enlighten us on how you believe mech is best countered? Is Day9s audiocast on the money with what most koreans do successfully(at least in your games)? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
the best way to deal with it is to building wall off vulture runbys then go muta with carapace grades, mass expo and mass muta (terran cant put any pressure at all on you besides the vultures early so you're free to power and expo with every mineral not put into mutas. a handful of hydras helps vs the vultures early on as well, and theyre necessary on maps like desti where the nat cant be completely walled. if terran tries to move out at all the moment hes out of his natural you counter his main with all your mutas, pull out the moment his goliaths get back, if he doesnt come back then you destroy his main and keep pumping mutas/sunken everywhere/keep expoing and running away from his army until you have enough mutas to kill it. if terran doesnt get aggressive you should start mixing in hydra when you're running 4-5 full bases and have 3+ groups of mutas, but dont cut muta production entirely. its also possible to go hive tech but just taking the entire map and mass hydra muta hardcore seems the most effective. if they try to just keep turtling and taking expos you probably will have to go hive to break them, but they have to invest so much in turret defense and theyre so immobile that theyre never gonna be able to touch your army size unless you engage in a bad position (there is no bad position to engage in on medusa, but be careful of the bridges n stuff on desti) | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On January 24 2009 13:21 Avidkeystamper wrote: Your post is going to do what? You are just as biased as the other people in this thread and this will create endless flaming. You do realize he got two spires on purpose, right? Or is this another example of playing bad? But... you're more wrong... The two spires weren't on purpose. Jaedong desperately needed hive. He made a mistake, and quickly made the Queen's nest as soon as he realized he couldn't build Hive. Like someone else mentioned, you need hive to further upgrade the mutalisks. Jaedong was at 2/2 already. | ||
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Azrael1111
United States550 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On January 27 2009 06:34 WhatisProtoss wrote: But... you're more wrong... The two spires weren't on purpose. Jaedong desperately needed hive. He made a mistake, and quickly made the Queen's nest as soon as he realized he couldn't build Hive. Like someone else mentioned, you need hive to further upgrade the mutalisks. Jaedong was at 2/2 already. I know I'm wrong about the 2 spires, it's been said three times before. Thank you for the effort for pointing that out though. My post didn't say he was wrong, only biased, I don't think I'm wrong about that. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 27 2009 06:53 Azrael1111 wrote: Idra what are your thoughts on how to deal with valkeries or how they pan out? valkryies are terrible, they cant be microed while firing because they refuse to move until they finish their 8 missile volley and they die to 2 scourge despite costing an ungodly amount of money. this means the cloud of mutas just flies in and surrounds you and all your valkryies die while you desperately try to move them back to clump the mutas. valks are very very rarely used anymore, vessels are significantly better, despite the gas cost. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
To me, it looked like Light was trying to catch Jaedong off guard by going m&m, but Jaedong didn't fall for it then went lurkers. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
4 player maps generally arent as well suited since it becomes alot easier for zergs to expo all over the place and constantly counter and run around. fast 3rd gas is good for mech but the one on return of the king doesnt look particularly defensible. light played that game fucking horribly so dont try to draw any conclusions off of it. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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nK)Duke
Germany936 Posts
On January 27 2009 19:41 IdrA wrote: have you not watched the games or something? Aren't you supposed to train? Aren't you the one that said that he will play the entire day? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
its lunar new years, not a single person in east asia is working atm. | ||
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koreasilver
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