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United States1865 Posts
On January 21 2009 13:41 rushz0rz wrote:
im always curious as to why people try and determine who will win in the ZvZ. when it comes down to it, its completely random and based on luck. doesnt matter who played good against who, whatever you want to think.
I think the same thing for the most part.
But I still wouldnt bet against Jaedong.
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Effort v. Zero going to start soon. Both players getting ready.
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i think efforts zvz is stronger than zeros, effort will prevail
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On January 21 2009 13:41 rushz0rz wrote:
im always curious as to why people try and determine who will win in the ZvZ. when it comes down to it, its completely random and based on luck. doesnt matter who played good against who, whatever you want to think.
*points at Jaedong and his huge ZvZ win ratio*
Obviously some players are more consistent at it than others.
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HOLY SHIT you just convinced me the entire game is based on luck. I mean every build order beats some other build order. You're a fucking genius
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I think BO is the most important in ZvZ in Savior vs Zero i was saying to myself please Savior 9 pool and Zero 12 hatch. He did = gg. Thats not luck thats Zero taking the risky strat and getting punished.
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On January 21 2009 13:41 rushz0rz wrote:
im always curious as to why people try and determine who will win in the ZvZ. when it comes down to it, its completely random and based on luck. doesnt matter who played good against who, whatever you want to think.
Even though there is more luck involved than other matchups, it is anything but random. In a way you can say it is a mental battle: you must predict how your oponent will think, and then choose your strategy/transitions accordingly. Jaedong's record pretty much proves that there is more than just chance in determining the victor.
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ZvZ isn't about luck, it's more about your opening build order and twitch reflexes.
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On January 21 2009 13:41 rushz0rz wrote:
im always curious as to why people try and determine who will win in the ZvZ. when it comes down to it, its completely random and based on luck. doesnt matter who played good against who, whatever you want to think.
I humbly disagree. I think that, sometimes luck will play a part, such as guessing correctly the perfect counter to a player you feel can beat you in micro/macro head to head. i.e. you can go mass lings and just hope that they scout in the wrong direction and try to go for early muta. I mean if you can tell you will be out played otherwise this might be your best shot.
I didn't see the Zero vs. Jaedong game so I can't tell what happened their.
But if luck is a dominating factor, then Jaedong must be a pretty lucky guy for getting an 80% win record overall.
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lets go effort12 hat vs zero9 pool!!
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On January 21 2009 13:44 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
HOLY SHIT you just convinced me the entire game is based on luck. I mean every build order beats some other build order. You're a fucking genius
No, you're taking it out of context. ZvZ alone is based on luck. The overall game, however, is not.
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exactly
betting against effort or jaedong zvz is stupid in most cases
its like tiers:
jaedong
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Effort
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Savior
Yarnc
Lux
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others
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On January 21 2009 13:45 OSWater wrote:
ZvZ isn't about luck, it's more about your opening build order and twitch reflexes.
And picking off scourge really well.
Edit: could be classified as twitch reflexes.
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INTRO PLAYED
FFS GET A NEW SOUNDTRACK OGN
Effort vs Zero STARTING!
Effort is tan at 5 o'clock
Zero is red at 11 o'clock
CROSS POSITIONS!
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Game begins!
Effort is white and is @ 5 o clock
Zero is Red and is @ 11 o clock.
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EFFORT SCOUTING CROSS POSITIONS WITH HIS OVIE? WHAT?
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hahah wtf they all "ooooooh!" when the guy found the camera.
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Zero going with 9 pool speed (?) or was it 12 pool
Effort with a 12 hatch
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On January 21 2009 13:47 Realpenguin wrote:
EFFORT SCOUTING CROSS POSITIONS WITH HIS OVIE? WHAT?
OBVIOUSLY HES BEEN TAUGHT BY SAVIOR
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EPT
