This man needs no introduction. Kim Joon Yung has been the second best zerg in the world during the Matler's reign of Terror. This zerg excels at macro play and late game management with fearsome defiler Control. He debuted in Starleague during the Shinhan Bank 2 OSL Where he was defeated by the eventual finalist Anytime. In the next Shinhan 3 OSL he was upset 2-1 in the round of 16 by an up and coming terran player Firebathero who was yet to be know for his TvZ. GGPlay was unable to unleash his macro beast in any of those games. However, in the Daum OSL, his potential was finally released and the scene was hit with another wave of ZvT divinity which helped make 2007 the worst year for Terran. GGPlay's road toward the Daum OSL trophy was of epic proportions with an astounding 15-5 record. GGPlay smashed FrOzean 2-0 in the bo3 of the first round of ODT along with Stork and Dongrae in the second round. He swept his group 3-0 with dominating performance over Up and Stork along with a win over Casy, one of the best TvZ in the world. From there on it was all ZvT. Hwasin and Flash both put up a good fight but in the end were no match for the swarm's new champion. The iconic moment at the end of the Flash series: 9 ultralisks popping from the eggs simultaneously, a massive sledgehammer splattering Flash all over the ground after wave upon wave of lurker/ling/defiler brought the youngster to his knees. Then came the Iris vs GGPlay Daum OSL finals. As is the case with the sAviOr vs Iris apocalypse on Araknoid, words dont do justice for these games. Just watch them; if you already have, which most of you did, watch them again:
Incruit is the new Daum, and Fantasy is about to be hit by a train.
Fantasy is up and coming Terran and Oov's prodigy has reached the semifinals. He has given the community many great replays before splashing onto the progaming scene. However his TvZ record is 1-4 with the win being (a)his first game in mid 07 and (b) a win over Child. I wish him luck in Proleague because his road ends here, painfully and violently.
Streams:
Daum Player (Search Teamliquid for a guide)
YaoYuan's OGN channel (Requires Internet Explorer and TVAnts)
Daum Sports (Use on Internet Explorer, or in Firefox with IETab extension)
Ohhhh wow Plasma will be played twice IF it does go to the final match. So the maps look pretty decent for Fantasy, let's hope he has been training TvZ :D
There was a typo where you called Savior "the malter" instead of "the master". Took me a moment to figure out what it was supposed to be.
I thought it was supposed to be "matler" from that picture that was going around of him.
GGPlay is gonna have his work cut out for him, odds are he's going to need to take one of the two games on plasma, which would be an accomplishment all its own.
There was a typo where you called Savior "the malter" instead of "the master". Took me a moment to figure out what it was supposed to be.
Its not a typo. When savior was in his prime one of his nickname was matler as in adolf hitler. Koreans called him that because he was so dominant that he was pretty much a villian.
kinda weird how oov was right about fantasy o.o i remember on oov's interview he said that fantasy was going to be a very big player and he is right o.o Damn i wished both of these guys met in the finals T.T dont know who to pick T.T GO GGPLAY!!! GO FANTASY!!!
There was a typo where you called Savior "the malter" instead of "the master". Took me a moment to figure out what it was supposed to be.
Its not a typo. When savior was in his prime one of his nickname was matler as in adolf hitler. Koreans called him that because he was so dominant that he was pretty much a villian.
There was a typo where you called Savior "the malter" instead of "the master". Took me a moment to figure out what it was supposed to be.
Its not a typo. When savior was in his prime one of his nickname was matler as in adolf hitler. Koreans called him that because he was so dominant that he was pretty much a villian.
He spelled matler wrong anyway.
Oh crap I always thought it was malter, oops. Fixed in the OP.
On October 17 2008 18:00 SuperJongMan wrote: I feel Best could possibly fail vs GGplay too.
Yeah i think Stork and Best's PvZ are equaly strong , except that Best sucks with sair/reaver strategys ....
I'm not sure it is his strategies that are to blame, I think he just isn't careful enough with his sairs/shuttles. That was what stood out to me in his game against July, and again against KeKe recently.
I really hate GGPlay, but I hate Best even more and I don't see Best losing in the finals unless its PvZ so go GGPlay (also would be hilarious if GGPlay won an OSL again).
Fantasy researching siege and it is ready now going for the zerg expo at 12 sunken is down ggplay with all in muta ling but gets knocked and GG fantasy takes game one.
On October 17 2008 18:49 Scaramanga wrote: Omg, this is so pimp from fantasy, this is so over GGplay has 0 chance from here mass turrets all over the joint
looking bad for ggplay, fantasy has a contain outside his natural with alot of goliats and turrets, mutalisks charging in and getting owned, will be a gg soon and there is is, Fantasy 1-0 GGplay
haha i cant believe the stupidity of this map... now all fantasy has to do is cheese a win on one of the remaining maps and he basically has it in the bag..
Funny how everyone with a Z-symbol is complaining about Plasma Medus is totaly favoring Z so whats the point of complaining about the maps all the time?!?!
Hope my stream will become better now. Daum is lagging like hell and yaoyuan just loaded for me...
This map is so fucking imbalanced. I cheer for Fantasy, and he did a good job at abusing the map. But this is so embarassing for an OSL semifinal.... Why didn't GGPlay thumb down this map???
On October 17 2008 18:54 Uraeus wrote: This map is so fucking imbalanced. I cheer for Fantasy, and he did a good job at abusing the map. But this is so embarassing for an OSL semifinal.... Why didn't GGPlay thumb down this map???
I don't think there is a thumb down rule for the OSL.
I forgot which league had it. Can someone clear this up please?
On October 17 2008 18:54 Sewi wrote: Funny how everyone with a Z-symbol is complaining about Plasma Medus is totaly favoring Z so whats the point of complaining about the maps all the time?!?!
Hope my stream will become better now. Daum is lagging like hell and yaoyuan just loaded for me...
Because plasma is played twice if it goes to game 5, so if fantasy can win one of the other 3 maps he has a pretty high chance of winning this set .
Personally I think fantasy will fail vs best or stork, I'd like to see GGplay in the finals.
He lost like 6-7 mutas in the main to several turrets doing no damage. He then attacked the goliath army with the same muta group. If he had those extra 6-7 mutas in the fight he might have actually won. Bad bad play
"Funny how everyone with a Z-symbol is complaining about Plasma Medus is totaly favoring Z so whats the point of complaining about the maps all the time?!?!" Yeah,but the problem is,they don't play Medusa twice. Only Plasma... And Medusa isn't this unbalanced. It's just good for zergs.
On October 17 2008 18:54 Uraeus wrote: This map is so fucking imbalanced. I cheer for Fantasy, and he did a good job at abusing the map. But this is so embarassing for an OSL semifinal.... Why didn't GGPlay thumb down this map???
real champions overcome map imbalance cough cough savior cough cough
On October 17 2008 18:54 Uraeus wrote: This map is so fucking imbalanced. I cheer for Fantasy, and he did a good job at abusing the map. But this is so embarassing for an OSL semifinal.... Why didn't GGPlay thumb down this map???
I don't think there is a thumb down rule for the OSL.
I forgot which league had it. Can someone clear this up please?
That would explain (I am stupid ) In this case, this is just an atrocious decision (or is the map pool randomly made?) by whoever organizes. They should pick a balanced map to be played twice. Or let the players thumb down which map they don't want to be played twice.
SKT fighting ! Couldn't care less about the map imbalances, I'd be ok for an all-Geometry starleague if it meant Oov could come back and rape everyone.
On October 17 2008 18:54 Uraeus wrote: This map is so fucking imbalanced. I cheer for Fantasy, and he did a good job at abusing the map. But this is so embarassing for an OSL semifinal.... Why didn't GGPlay thumb down this map???
real champions overcome map imbalance cough cough savior cough cough
I agree. But that doesn't mean that Plasma being played twice isn't complete BS anyhow.
On October 17 2008 18:58 NovaTheFeared wrote: Yeah no real reason to expect balanced maps, if he was a real champion GGPlay would win where every other zerg is losing like Savior did.
This is why I want MJY back so badly. And GGPlay is far from being a champion like Savior. Actually I root for Fantasy and think I will win this match, but I would prefer it to be an epic series, not a one-sided rape.
I think if GGplay knows that plasma will be played twice he should come up with a different, maybe suprising build. He played it the standard way if you want to lose against T on this map AND he played very poorly with his mutamicro (if you can call this micro at all, more like 12 muta a-move ) GGplay has really good ZvT so he should be a bit more creative if he wants to win a starleague. Its not like he didnt know about Plasma and 99% of all Terrans going mech on it...
On October 17 2008 18:54 Uraeus wrote: This map is so fucking imbalanced. I cheer for Fantasy, and he did a good job at abusing the map. But this is so embarassing for an OSL semifinal.... Why didn't GGPlay thumb down this map???
real champions overcome map imbalance cough cough savior cough cough
I agree. But that doesn't mean that Plasma being played twice isn't complete BS anyhow.
On October 17 2008 18:54 Uraeus wrote: This map is so fucking imbalanced. I cheer for Fantasy, and he did a good job at abusing the map. But this is so embarassing for an OSL semifinal.... Why didn't GGPlay thumb down this map???
real champions overcome map imbalance cough cough savior cough cough
I agree. But that doesn't mean that Plasma being played twice isn't complete BS anyhow.
On October 17 2008 18:54 Uraeus wrote: This map is so fucking imbalanced. I cheer for Fantasy, and he did a good job at abusing the map. But this is so embarassing for an OSL semifinal.... Why didn't GGPlay thumb down this map???
real champions overcome map imbalance cough cough savior cough cough
I agree. But that doesn't mean that Plasma being played twice isn't complete BS anyhow.
On October 17 2008 18:54 Uraeus wrote: This map is so fucking imbalanced. I cheer for Fantasy, and he did a good job at abusing the map. But this is so embarassing for an OSL semifinal.... Why didn't GGPlay thumb down this map???
real champions overcome map imbalance cough cough savior cough cough
I agree. But that doesn't mean that Plasma being played twice isn't complete BS anyhow.
medusa is hella Z>>>>T
REAL CHAMPIONS OVERCOME MAP IMBALANCE
GGPlay is a real champion. Remember Monty Hall?
yeah i know ggplay is a champ i'm just makin noise
08/10/17 02:57:57 <mogg> game 2 bout to start 08/10/17 02:58:03 <mogg> july's fat 08/10/17 02:58:08 <mogg> bisu's pretty 08/10/17 02:58:18 <mogg> flash has wierd lips 08/10/17 02:58:25 <mogg> be the legend 08/10/17 02:58:46 <mogg> ggplay has a bad haircut 08/10/17 02:59:26 <mogg> startin 08/10/17 02:59:43 <mogg> ggplay's overlord in correct location 08/10/17 03:01:01 <mogg> ggplay 12 hatching 08/10/17 03:01:04 <mogg> more white ppl 08/10/17 03:01:27 <mogg> fast gas from fantasy 08/10/17 03:01:34 <mogg> knew he wouldnt play standard 08/10/17 03:01:38 <mogg> ggplay's overlord sees it 08/10/17 03:01:45 <mogg> fantasy walling in 08/10/17 03:01:52 <mogg> 2 port wraiths proly 08/10/17 03:02:19 <mogg> ggplay 3 hatch 08/10/17 03:02:35 <mogg> ggplay standard 3 hatch play 08/10/17 03:03:00 <mogg> might be kinda hard vs 2 port wraiths to defend natural main and mineral only 08/10/17 03:03:03 <mogg> 1 starport going up 08/10/17 03:03:26 <mogg> 1 vulture going out to harass but sunken is in natural so not gunna do anything 08/10/17 03:03:28 <mogg> fantasy expanding 08/10/17 03:03:38 <mogg> looks like 1 fact 1 port expand? lol 08/10/17 03:03:58 <mogg> vulture stops ling from scouting 08/10/17 03:04:07 <mogg> control tower going up 08/10/17 03:04:12 <mogg> armory going up 08/10/17 03:04:22 <mogg> oh god is going to make valks 08/10/17 03:04:37 <mogg> ggplay hydra den up 08/10/17 03:04:46 <mogg> mines researched 08/10/17 03:04:48 <mogg> weird lol 08/10/17 03:05:02 <mogg> dropship! 08/10/17 03:05:05 <mogg> lots of vultures 08/10/17 03:05:06 <mogg> oh snap 08/10/17 03:05:11 <mogg> dropship picks up the vultures 08/10/17 03:05:16 <mogg> oooohhhh 08/10/17 03:05:21 <mogg> hydras intercept 08/10/17 03:05:22 <mogg> wow 08/10/17 03:05:25 <mogg> saves the dropship 08/10/17 03:05:29 <mogg> 2 vultures alive 08/10/17 03:05:40 <mogg> pkill a couple drones 08/10/17 03:05:50 <mogg> tries to pick them up with dropship and loses it 08/10/17 03:05:53 <mogg> OH GOD VALKYRIE LOL 08/10/17 03:05:59 <mogg> 2 golaiths also out 08/10/17 03:06:06 <mogg> rofl valkyrie 08/10/17 03:06:12 <mogg> spire going up for ggplay 08/10/17 03:06:15 <mogg> 2nd factory going up 08/10/17 03:06:25 <mogg> something researching in machine shot proly golaith range i guess 08/10/17 03:06:34 <mogg> valkyrie killing ovie(s) 08/10/17 03:06:45 <mogg> only gets 1 08/10/17 03:06:53 <mogg> almost gets sniped by hdras 08/10/17 03:06:57 <mogg> 2 more facts going up 08/10/17 03:07:00 <mogg> ggplay has like pure hydra 08/10/17 03:07:08 <mogg> i think lots of tanks would rape this 08/10/17 03:07:15 <mogg> valk scouting about 08/10/17 03:07:39 <mogg> valk still scouting barely alive 08/10/17 03:07:56 <mogg> 3 facts w/ no machine shot 1 with 08/10/17 03:08:02 <mogg> scourges hunting down falk 08/10/17 03:08:05 <mogg> valk manages to live 08/10/17 03:08:19 <mogg> hydras moving around 08/10/17 03:08:22 <mogg> ggplay looking to expand 08/10/17 03:08:29 <mogg> bunch of mutas 08/10/17 03:08:44 <mogg> some hydras get raped by mines 08/10/17 03:08:51 <mogg> 2 valks scouting/looking to harass 08/10/17 03:08:54 <mogg> mutas flying out 08/10/17 03:09:18 <mogg> ggplay running 08/10/17 03:09:19 <mogg> oh snappp 08/10/17 03:09:26 <mogg> gets raped and runs out 08/10/17 03:10:10 <mogg> fantasy moving out with golaith/vulture/tank army 08/10/17 03:10:15 <mogg> ggplay looking to drop it looks like 08/10/17 03:10:17 <mogg> wow 08/10/17 03:10:20 <mogg> countering main 08/10/17 03:10:25 <mogg> w/ muta hydra 08/10/17 03:10:30 <mogg> fantasy moving out 08/10/17 03:11:04 <mogg> pplay doenst look like he has anything to counter this attack and his main drop/mutacounter is almost dead 08/10/17 03:11:08 <mogg> just a few mutas left 08/10/17 03:11:25 <mogg> mutas forced outta base 08/10/17 03:11:28 <mogg> ggplays natural going down 08/10/17 03:11:32 <mogg> looks like 2-0 fantasy 08/10/17 03:11:46 <mogg> ggplay is counting fantasys main again tho with hydra muta 08/10/17 03:11:58 <mogg> and is doing some decent damage until a tank shot kills like 5 hydras and then another 4 08/10/17 03:12:05 <mogg> ggplay looks dead 08/10/17 03:12:10 <mogg> fantsays push moving into main 08/10/17 03:12:38 <mogg> ggplay last attempt to survive 08/10/17 03:12:41 <mogg> hydras die 08/10/17 03:12:42 <mogg> gg
On October 17 2008 19:14 VioleTAK wrote: GGPlay is dropping like a ton of bricks, not the best moment of his life... Remember Iris, remember your comeback, get your act together!
This aint iris, this aint some noob, fantasy will rape ggplay next round ezez
im definately more surprised how bad GGplay is playing right now, than how well fantasy is playing. I hope GGplay steps it up since i know he can play way better
On October 17 2008 19:14 VioleTAK wrote: GGPlay is dropping like a ton of bricks, not the best moment of his life... Remember Iris, remember your comeback, get your act together!
This aint iris, this aint some noob, fantasy will rape ggplay next round ezez
On October 17 2008 19:14 NovaTheFeared wrote: GGPlay apparently forgot how to play vs. Metal on this map since playing Flash. 2 gas vs. 2 gas sucks. Go 6 base to 2 again next time.
actually fantasy's approach to that game was brilliant in comparison to flash's passive approach
fantasy basically ensured ggplay would have a lot of units midgame by dropping and harassing and using spider mines for map control. it forced ggplay into his hydra/speed overlord shit, and fantasy's cc was so fast despite his aggressiveness that by midgame ggplay had a bunch of units, but absolutely had to deal damage to keep up with fantasy's economy
ggplay's mistake there was that he didn't scout fantasy at all after he saw the gas. he guessed correctly on the vulture drop but after that his reaction was really bad
On October 17 2008 19:16 sh02hp0869 wrote: bad play by gg Fantasy bringing his A geme and now its over cant see gg come back with the last map being plasma.
So many people said this, and GGPlay is here because of what, Plasma Set 3 v Flash.
On October 17 2008 19:18 nujabes wrote: Did everyone forget how GGplay was losing 0-2 on the finals against Iris in daum osl?
this logic ofcourse applies here since he play iris again and the maps are the same .. bravo.
Samurai do you know Monty Hall?? That map was imba as hell TvZ. Perhaps more than Plasma. Python played twice was pretty T>Z as well.
monty hall wasnt T>Z anymore in time wheh final was played b/c of silver guard build was rather z>t and there is no such build on plasma what change balance of map yet
On October 17 2008 19:20 dmfg wrote: I really hope Fantasy wins and the final is Fantasy/Stork. Either Stork wins an OSL or Fantasy gets the Royal Road..
Yeah, two options I could live with
I really dont like GGplay. He is good, of course but I just cant stand him. He looks so weird, he looks as if he isnt even trying. His muta"micro" underlines it... Woah,.. Fantasy deserves to win this a lot more imo. I would respect GGplay more if he could show more of his exelent hive-play like he played when he won OSL vs Iris but the way he is playing now looks like he is totally underestimating Fantasy. If you want to become a champion, NEVER EVER underestimate any player on your road to the finals!!
Please Fantasy win 3-0, this will maybe make GGplay focus more on his play next season!
On October 17 2008 19:18 nujabes wrote: Did everyone forget how GGplay was losing 0-2 on the finals against Iris in daum osl?
this logic ofcourse applies here since he play iris again and the maps are the same .. bravo.
Samurai do you know Monty Hall?? That map was imba as hell TvZ. Perhaps more than Plasma. Python played twice was pretty T>Z as well.
That's just asinine. Monty hall was initially imba TvZ but after Silver's brilliant build, Every broadcasted ZvT where the Zerg did that build, won. (I believe)
The statistics mean nothing if the entire matchup evolves at the end of the map's reign. GGplay used SILVER'S brilliant build to overcome Iris in that set.
On October 17 2008 19:18 nujabes wrote: Did everyone forget how GGplay was losing 0-2 on the finals against Iris in daum osl?
this logic ofcourse applies here since he play iris again and the maps are the same .. bravo.
Samurai do you know Monty Hall?? That map was imba as hell TvZ. Perhaps more than Plasma. Python played twice was pretty T>Z as well.
monty hall wasnt T>Z anymore in time wheh final was played b/c of silver guard build was rather z>t and there is no such build on plasma what change balance of map yet
If even Silver !?!?! can come up with a balance-changing map TvZ, GGplay should be able to do this too. Silver is sooo bad ZvT, (besides this one build of course )
On October 17 2008 19:18 nujabes wrote: Did everyone forget how GGplay was losing 0-2 on the finals against Iris in daum osl?
this logic ofcourse applies here since he play iris again and the maps are the same .. bravo.
Samurai do you know Monty Hall?? That map was imba as hell TvZ. Perhaps more than Plasma. Python played twice was pretty T>Z as well.
monty hall wasnt T>Z anymore in time wheh final was played b/c of silver guard build was rather z>t and there is no such build on plasma what change balance of map yet
There is the progamers just haven't figured it out yet.
When one of them finally plays plasma correctly I will post a replay with a date preceding that game .
On October 17 2008 19:18 nujabes wrote: Did everyone forget how GGplay was losing 0-2 on the finals against Iris in daum osl?
this logic ofcourse applies here since he play iris again and the maps are the same .. bravo.
Samurai do you know Monty Hall?? That map was imba as hell TvZ. Perhaps more than Plasma. Python played twice was pretty T>Z as well.
That's just asinine. Monty hall was initially imba TvZ but after Silver's brilliant build, Every broadcasted ZvT where the Zerg did that build, won. (I believe)
The statistics mean nothing if the entire matchup evolves at the end of the map's reign. GGplay used SILVER'S brilliant build to overcome Iris in that set.
True. GGplay had a winning strat prepared for him. Terran never came up to a response for that build.
On October 17 2008 19:14 NovaTheFeared wrote: GGPlay apparently forgot how to play vs. Metal on this map since playing Flash. 2 gas vs. 2 gas sucks. Go 6 base to 2 again next time.
actually fantasy's approach to that game was brilliant in comparison to flash's passive approach
fantasy basically ensured ggplay would have a lot of units midgame by dropping and harassing and using spider mines for map control. It forced ggplay into his hydra/speed overlord shit, and fantasy's cc was so fast despite his aggressiveness that by midgame ggplay had a bunch of units, but absolutely had to deal damage to keep up with fantasy's economy
ggplay's mistake there was that he didn't scout fantasy at all after he saw the gas. he guessed correctly on the vulture drop but after that his reaction was really bad
Thank you Steve. Exactly what I was thinking.
Give more props to Fantasy. He played amazing that game. Notice how ggplay reacted well to the vulture drop? It still forced GGplay to pump some hydras at a time when a macro oriented zerg build would really really want to make drones. Because of this GGplay choose to do a timing attack with muta hydra to counter the sure to follow goliaths.
The beautiful twist was the early valk which not only picked off an overlord but provided game changing information about hte muta switch and with another valk/s and gols it provided a strong mobile anti air force, reducing the need for wasteful turrets.
Fantasy made GGPlay look bad with an amazing play.
On October 17 2008 19:18 nujabes wrote: Did everyone forget how GGplay was losing 0-2 on the finals against Iris in daum osl?
this logic ofcourse applies here since he play iris again and the maps are the same .. bravo.
Samurai do you know Monty Hall?? That map was imba as hell TvZ. Perhaps more than Plasma. Python played twice was pretty T>Z as well.
That's just asinine. Monty hall was initially imba TvZ but after Silver's brilliant build, Every broadcasted ZvT where the Zerg did that build, won. (I believe)
The statistics mean nothing if the entire matchup evolves at the end of the map's reign. GGplay used SILVER'S brilliant build to overcome Iris in that set.
Not all I remember some zerg tried to do it to canata and got raped
that was some of the best hive-play i've ever seen. those dswarms/plagues were fucking amazing, as were the scourges. seeing more greenexplosions than red-pops are all to rare anymore
On October 17 2008 19:14 VioleTAK wrote: GGPlay is dropping like a ton of bricks, not the best moment of his life... Remember Iris, remember your comeback, get your act together!
On October 17 2008 19:51 damenmofa wrote: na the game wasnt really sick, fantasy just sucks with standard m&m/vessel play... i expect him to cheese or go back to mech next game
Its not that he lost because of bad mnm micro. His micro was amazing actually.
I think he should have taken the top expo when his first dropship popped out. GGplay went so far ahead because he was able to delay Fantas 3rd for so long. The third above his main would have been a safe spot to expo because cows dont get there
On October 17 2008 19:51 clazziquai wrote: I want to see a TvP OSL Final as well. Like so much >_<
Why? I mean, there is no way Fantasy can beat Stork or Best. GGPlay could beat either one (definitely Stork)
TvP is so much more exciting than ZvP (at least it is for me, basically TvP is my favorite matchup).
And says who? Fantasy has gotten so much stronger ever since the beginning of the OSL...there isn't such thing as "no way he can beat Stork or Best" until it has happened.
Seriously, that game triggered some major Daum flashbacks. Everything GGPlay did was exactly on time. His units were exactly what and where they needed to be.
On October 17 2008 19:55 TheTyranid wrote: All GGPlay needs to do is SCOUT and respond properly to Fantasy's moves because I guarantee Fantasy will go metal again.
He should, but he seemed very crushed by that loss there. Could he be the next great choke artist?
Btw anybody who has anything to say about fantasys play that game is wrong. The guy is obviously one of the best terrans in the world now. His marine micro is fucking perfect. Even in small battles around the map he is reacting. His play is sick.
On October 17 2008 19:51 clazziquai wrote: I want to see a TvP OSL Final as well. Like so much >_<
Why? I mean, there is no way Fantasy can beat Stork or Best. GGPlay could beat either one (definitely Stork)
TvP is so much more exciting than ZvP (at least it is for me, basically TvP is my favorite matchup).
And says who? Fantasy has gotten so much stronger ever since the beginning of the OSL...there isn't such thing as "no way he can beat Stork or Best" until it has happened.
What you say is true, but Stork/Best would be a pretty big favourite I think.
On October 17 2008 19:51 clazziquai wrote: I want to see a TvP OSL Final as well. Like so much >_<
Why? I mean, there is no way Fantasy can beat Stork or Best. GGPlay could beat either one (definitely Stork)
TvP is so much more exciting than ZvP (at least it is for me, basically TvP is my favorite matchup).
And says who? Fantasy has gotten so much stronger ever since the beginning of the OSL...there isn't such thing as "no way he can beat Stork or Best" until it has happened.
TvP can be really tense, but in the long game ZvP is just pure awesome.. remember the old days.. where Reach mealstromed like 20000000000000000000000000000 devourers 'n stuff^_^!
On October 17 2008 19:57 AttackZerg wrote: I think Scourge and defilers won that game .....
Btw anybody who has anything to say about fantasys play that game is wrong. The guy is obviously one of the best terrans in the world now. His marine micro is fucking perfect. Even in small battles around the map he is reacting. His play is sick.
I can name at least 2 terrans with clearly better micro than Fantasy.
On October 17 2008 19:55 TheTyranid wrote: All GGPlay needs to do is SCOUT and respond properly to Fantasy's moves because I guarantee Fantasy will go metal again.
He should, but he seemed very crushed by that loss there. Could he be the next great choke artist?
yeah,gona agree with some above posters. don't knock fantasys micro or macro for that matter. he did great, and some of those dmatrix moves were pimp. he was sloppy on vessels a couple times, and should got his island waaaay earlier
On October 17 2008 19:57 AttackZerg wrote: I think Scourge and defilers won that game .....
I think GGplay won that game
No scourge in Starcraft 2 8)
thats going to be REALLY disapointing if true. scourge are hands down, the most exciting, crowd pleasing unit in the game. You never hear a room full of girls gasp as many times as they do for scourge bombs
On October 17 2008 19:57 AttackZerg wrote: I think Scourge and defilers won that game .....
Btw anybody who has anything to say about fantasys play that game is wrong. The guy is obviously one of the best terrans in the world now. His marine micro is fucking perfect. Even in small battles around the map he is reacting. His play is sick.
I can name at least 2 terrans with clearly better micro than Fantasy.
I can't name more then 2 people in this thread with more pointless posts then yours.
I didn't say he was the best I said he is one of them and him having great micro doesn't have anything to do with the caliber of any players micro. Its just a fact that he has fucking sick micro. All the terrans you could list with 'better micro' aren't in the osl so alot of good it did them.
On October 17 2008 19:57 AttackZerg wrote: I think Scourge and defilers won that game .....
Btw anybody who has anything to say about fantasys play that game is wrong. The guy is obviously one of the best terrans in the world now. His marine micro is fucking perfect. Even in small battles around the map he is reacting. His play is sick.
I can name at least 2 terrans with clearly better micro than Fantasy.
I can't name more then 2 people in this thread with more pointless posts then yours.
I put effort in the OP and did live reports. Thanks for the feedback
I was hoping for a PvZ final I think Chupung-ryong's TvZ stats are now 4-0 in favor of T. I want to blame maps, but I'm not sure if I really can, I think credit goes to Fantasy's valk goliath builds
YES !!! Fantasy won without using Plasma twice!! His defense was really good but as mentioned before, WHY does GGplay not micro his mutas?? Only sending them in and watching them die doesnt make you win!!
I cant believe, Fantasy won this 4th game after losing so many scvs. His timing on the final attack was awesome!!
My great hope for the would-be epic Bisu vs GGPlay finals is long gone. Honestly, Fantasy vs BeSt would not be as tense and epic as Fantasy vs Stork. I like BeSt a lot more than Stork, infact I really don't like Stork. But teammate finals can only be mega-epic if its Boxer-Oov style.... while Fantasy-BeSt would reduce the chance of a really epic finals imo. In other words, I'm rooting for another Stork silver medal.
Taken from the OP: "However his [Fantasys] TvZ record is 1-4 with the win being (a)his first game in mid 07 and (b) a win over Child. I wish him luck in Proleague because his road ends here, painfully and violently."
Funny to read this predictions after the matches instead of before! :D:D I often do it and actually I am suprised, how often the Topicstarters are right with their predictions in each game but this one is the exact oposite.
On October 17 2008 20:24 VioleTAK wrote: My great hope for the would-be epic Bisu vs GGPlay finals is long gone. Honestly, Fantasy vs BeSt would not be as tense and epic as Fantasy vs Stork. I like BeSt a lot more than Stork, infact I really don't like Stork. But teammate finals can only be mega-epic if its Boxer-Oov style.... while Fantasy-BeSt would reduce the chance of a really epic finals imo. In other words, I'm rooting for another Stork silver medal.
Yeah, Stork-Fantasy Finals is a win win situation, Fantasy with his Royal Road and Stork with his beloved Silver.
On October 17 2008 20:16 EvoChamber wrote: Boxer's responsible for this.
This is so awesome. Boxer uses Walks, and then Fantasy uses walks to get into the OSL finals. I love this. :D
This is because Fantasy was genetically engineered to make a great BW player, so most of his DNA comes from Boxer. Everyone noticed Fantasy quite looks like Him. Imagine a younger Boxer trained by Oov? This kid is going to be a killing machine soon. Just after he walks his Royal Road.
Fantasy was the better player this series. GGPlay's Muta usage wasn't up to scratch. Once he gets to Hive tech he may be unstoppable, but Fantasy intelligently pressing the issue prior to Hive meant that he came through cleaner. Great micro, and a huge chance at the Royal Road now.
Predicting Fantasy - Stork final, with Fantasy taking the OSL.
On October 17 2008 20:20 economist_ wrote: Cant believe GGPlay had no hydra in the last game
He would have needed shit load of hydras to break that mech front, 1-3 tanks and 20 goliaths. Let say around 30-40 hydras upgraded 1-1 at least.
And this means people will again @ iccup play mech. I think I have managed to win 3 times vs mech I have played :D (around 30 games vs mech)
I meant GGPlay had prepared this match in the wrong prediction in which he probably trained heavily against standard play TvsZ. Or maybe he was overly confidence with his mechbuild counter after defeating Flash on Plasma. Just look at how he adjusted his play after losing twice earlier in the last game, It 's like he had no other choice to do all-in muta-scourage
To tell you I'm very angry with Flash and his stupid idea to be funny on Plasma , now he could've been on the final instead of Fantasy and put up a good fight against one of the other two who will both destroy Fantasy .
Do you guys remember that one game where it was Fantasy vs BackHo and there was a sign in Korean by some unknown "prophet" (as Masami said) which said that Fantasy was going to win this OSL, a royal roader, or some shit like that. hahahahahah he's right!!
On October 17 2008 21:42 clazziquai wrote: Do you guys remember that one game where it was Fantasy vs BackHo and there was a sign in Korean by some unknown "prophet" (as Masami said) which said that Fantasy was going to win this OSL, a royal roader, or some shit like that. hahahahahah he's right!!
jesus there are always people who cheer for a newcomer in the audience, if its his first OSL claiming a "Royal Road" is far from unusual... If he had predicted this like a year ago he would be a prophet, but doing this on a cheerful on a newcomer in the RO16 is nothing spectacular.
It looks to be a Fantasy Best final and although I'm a fan of both protoss and Best, I want Fantasy to win because he reminds me of Boxer and he can break the Legend of the Fall.
I remember what everybody said after ForGG beat Flash. "Stupid cheeser,he crashed the dream final,Jd will destroy him,not even funny" Well,I think everybody knows what happened after that. What I want to say is that Fantasy has pretty decent chances of beating either Best or Stork. Even here he was considered an underdog,and he won nonetheless. So I say don't burry him yet.
guess what? it's funny how many ppl think of best going straight to the finals ... but face it:
best has a flawless record vs p, yes! but remember the winning streak of flash last osl? with a list like that, it is pure destiny to lose upcoming matches...!
it is 2:2 between these two, thats all what counts! best even missed msl!
the stork hater power rank/ kespa rank is listing him above best for a good reason!
stork won one his last proleague games both regular game and final ace! something which even didn't happen last season if I remeber clearly. best on the other hand choked from time to time in important matches...
best played only 3 protosses the last three months (!). yes he won but the rock, m18m (still b samsung) and maybe jangbi arent that impressive. stork on the other hand took out bisu (not just once or twice, backwhore, much)
this is not the final, we are on stork terrain! remember last osl final where everyone thought (including tl) for best to take it? he choked hard big time 0-3 with unspeakable errors making it one of the worst finals in osl ever!
just some facts! honestly I see stork in the finals, making it a very interesting game!
BeSt's strengths - macro, mechanics - are also Stork's strength (just not as ridiculously strong). So BeSt won't be able to easily overpower Stork like he does against other toss. This brings me to the next point...
The key to the match I think will be early game, where BeSt is weakest. Stork has great preparation and timing, and if he can secure an opening advantage, then his mechanics is more than good enough to ride that advantage to victory. On the other hand, if BeSt gets into the mid-game without any disadvantage, then I think the game will favor him in the long run.
BeSt needs to mix it up with his build order to give himself the best chance to win.
GGPlay looked so lost... his face during the first game on Plasma pretty much summed it up. And his face during game 2. He looked like he was in control in this game, but once he did the drop on Fantasy's natural I was thinking... you know, I bet he waits a few seconds too long, a tank or two will build, and all of his hydras will die, because he is putting too much priority on the scvs. Then when he finally moves to the factories that happens to the t, only his hydras bunched in a nice cluster of 8 or 9, so they die even faster than I thought they would.
Crowd didn't seem particular in it either... seems like they expected GGPlay to have a walk in the park and then realized he was getting thrashed.
Have to hand it to Fantasy though, he played well. It's interesting to see that one effect of Plasma has been to popularize valkyries and mech as a combination a bit.
On October 18 2008 00:49 zgl wrote: I'd say Stork has 40-50% chance to beat BeSt.
BeSt's strengths - macro, mechanics - are also Stork's strength (just not as ridiculously strong). So BeSt won't be able to easily overpower Stork like he does against other toss. This brings me to the next point...
The key to the match I think will be early game, where BeSt is weakest. Stork has great preparation and timing, and if he can secure an opening advantage, then his mechanics is more than good enough to ride that advantage to victory. On the other hand, if BeSt gets into the mid-game without any disadvantage, then I think the game will favor him in the long run.
BeSt needs to mix it up with his build order to give himself the best chance to win.
well...i mean also unlike his vZ and to a smaller extent his vT, he perfectly understands pvp, he understands the game flow, strategy, and builds much better than any other matchup
So what happens now in SKT house... Oov coaches Fantasy and Kingdom coaches Best? Who does Bisu root for? Who does Midas cook for? What about Bunky? I'm so confused...
And I keep forgetting that Best hasn't actually beaten Stork yet. =)
On October 18 2008 03:21 .risingdragoon wrote: K, I've seen 2 games and I gotta say, I'm disappointed in GGplay. He has a lot of experience fighting mech builds and yet he lost. His timing was poor in game 1 and his army composition was poor in game 2.
Agreed! I expected way better performance by GGPlay.And i thought that this was my strongest vote in liquidbet between those 2 semis.sad!
On October 18 2008 03:02 Guybrush wrote: The real final is next friday.
true true. but still i really don't want to see fantasy take the royal road. he is nowhere near as good as the guys who won it. think about it. comparing fantasy and boxer in the same boat? i mean oov didn't even make it.
On October 18 2008 03:02 Guybrush wrote: The real final is next friday.
true true. but still i really don't want to see fantasy take the royal road. he is nowhere near as good as the guys who won it. think about it. comparing fantasy and boxer in the same boat? i mean oov didn't even make it.
If he makes it, he will deserve it- The royal road is named as such because it's not easy, and if you make it through, you are mentally prepared to win.
Even though it always hurts when a Z loses, these games were actually pretty entertaining. All during game 2 I kept saying to myself "Alright he's going mech, quick GGplay take 5 expansions!" Instead he went 3 base hydra-muta.... -_-
On October 18 2008 05:14 Piy wrote: Pretty nice play by Fantasy, but I still think GGplay's the better player here. Game 3 was just perfect zerg late game...still.
Gonna be a decent finals Fantasy>Stork, Best>Fantasy probs.
Shows you how people let their emotions cloud their judgment.What were these people thinking betting on GGPlay? He's not in his slump anymore, but he is no where near top shape at this moment, which Fantasy is.
fantasy is just... fantastic! did anyone notice he looks kinda like boxer? in his game vs soo, it was so funny because he looked like boxer and soo looked like nada.. O_o anyway, gl to fantasy in the finals!
Shows you how people let their emotions cloud their judgment.What were these people thinking betting on GGPlay? He's not in his slump anymore, but he is no where near top shape at this moment, which Fantasy is.
On October 18 2008 07:44 masami.sc wrote: fantasy is just... fantastic! did anyone notice he looks kinda like boxer? in his game vs soo, it was so funny because he looked like boxer and soo looked like nada.. O_o anyway, gl to fantasy in the finals!
OMG FANTASY LOOKS LIKE BOXER IT HAS ONLY BEEN SAID LIKE 123524545 TIMES SO FAR.
Good grief...
P.s.: GGPlay shoulda won this, he's the better player. These maps just blow ass + fantasy played the games of his life so far.
wow I am totally shocked Fantasy has made it this far. When the starleague was about to start, I didn't consider Fantasy's playing, excluding his TvT, up to starleague caliber. oOv probably got jealous that Kingdom's student hit a final already and made Fantasy practice twice as hard. Once BeSt trashes Stork, we will have a super mega awesome final between the T1 proteges! <3
On October 18 2008 07:44 masami.sc wrote: fantasy is just... fantastic! did anyone notice he looks kinda like boxer? in his game vs soo, it was so funny because he looked like boxer and soo looked like nada.. O_o anyway, gl to fantasy in the finals!
P.s.: GGPlay shoulda won this, he's the better player. These maps just blow ass + fantasy played the games of his life so far.
Stop finding excuses, Fantasy beat GGPlay because he's better.
On October 18 2008 07:44 masami.sc wrote: fantasy is just... fantastic! did anyone notice he looks kinda like boxer? in his game vs soo, it was so funny because he looked like boxer and soo looked like nada.. O_o anyway, gl to fantasy in the finals!
Lol, this was said like 153526 times already man, but yeah, he does look like boxer.
Look at his micro in on of the games (I think game 2), dunno if looking like BoxeR will get you a Royal Road, but if he does win, then he really deserves it.
On October 18 2008 07:44 masami.sc wrote: fantasy is just... fantastic! did anyone notice he looks kinda like boxer? in his game vs soo, it was so funny because he looked like boxer and soo looked like nada.. O_o anyway, gl to fantasy in the finals!
P.s.: GGPlay shoulda won this, he's the better player. These maps just blow ass + fantasy played the games of his life so far.
Stop finding excuses, Fantasy beat GGPlay because he's better.
Fantasy > GGPlay
Deal with reality, holy crap.
Yeah, if GGPlay was the better player, then why didn't he utilized his being better by finding some map flaws? And yeah, I'm not sure why GGPlay didn't anticipate metal. I think because SK Terran is a lot common about it, but if I were Fantasy, I'd use Metal too, cuz GGPlay is just immortal with his swarm and plague and he just rapes SK Terran for breakfast. But yeah, Fantasy knew he'd get owned if he used SK Terran (as game 3 showed) and switched back to metal on game 4.
It really hurts to see how some people refuse to face the facts. Had Fantasy won twice on Plasma and barely pulled an ugly cheese on some other map, then MAYBE you could have blamed map imbalance. This is not what happened. Medusa is clearly not T>Z (quite the other way, but not that many games have been played yet), and GGPlay got stomped on it too. Fantasy did his homework and he (or oov, it seems) came up with a really solid build, which he executed perfeclty (read Day[9]'s analysis btw, it is brilliant). Had GGPlay been the better player, he would have found a way to counter it, instead of just a-moving a flock of mutas above zillions of Goliaths and a couple Valks. Every D- n00b knows GGPlay is pretty unstoppable if he reaches late game against M&M (be it SK or with tanks). Fantasy did a good job at denying him this opportunity, except in game 3, which he lost. Fantasy's Royal road has been pretty tough so far : he had to face Nada, Sea, Stork, (BackHo), Mind and GGPlay. What more do you need to give the guy credit?
Is it just me or does anyone else think Fantasy used SK Terran only to make GGPlay think he's not all about mech builds and thus not expect another mech opening in the 4th game 100%?
I just watched the VODs, and wow. Valk use was obviously great, made the games fun to watch. In Game 3 it was no surprise that GGPlay won, he is just a beast once he reached Hive tech against the usual mnm. But in the other games, he didn't seem prepared. His hydra and muta control seemed a little sloppy against the SKT metal build.
I really wanted GGPlay to win so I could see a 5-hour long GGPlay vs. Stork final, but alas, fantasy has crushed my dreams.
On October 19 2008 06:38 maybenexttime wrote: Is it just me or does anyone else think Fantasy used SK Terran only to make GGPlay think he's not all about mech builds and thus not expect another mech opening in the 4th game 100%?
he didn't use SK Terran at all, he was making tanks constantly out of 1 fac
On October 18 2008 07:44 masami.sc wrote: fantasy is just... fantastic! did anyone notice he looks kinda like boxer? in his game vs soo, it was so funny because he looked like boxer and soo looked like nada.. O_o anyway, gl to fantasy in the finals!
OMG FANTASY LOOKS LIKE BOXER IT HAS ONLY BEEN SAID LIKE 123524545 TIMES SO FAR.
Good grief...
P.s.: GGPlay shoulda won this, he's the better player. These maps just blow ass + fantasy played the games of his life so far.
GGplay IS a great player. I really liked his Daum OSL run, very exciting and I was happy that he won. But as someone said, deal with it...fantasy won and displayed us wonderful games and won against GGPlay. He deserves to be in the OSL finals...you people need to stop bashing on fantasy like seriously. Like deal with what happened, stop making a big fuss...what the fuck are you gonna do about it?
On October 19 2008 08:37 fw wrote: fantasy just did it cause he wanted to play bionic all the way than mech. in fact, fantasy wanted bio in 4th too but oov insisted on going for mech.
there is this post match interview people keep talking about about how fantasy credits oov with the strategy etc is there a thread for that?
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