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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Isn't this the first tournament ever in which Idra has been the big favorite? He is used to being the underdog. Also, he is much younger than most foreigners. Let's see if he can bounce back and beat Yellow. They also uploaded FIFA and Halo VODs. So I guess we can expect Sc VODs tomorrow. | ||
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WorldCommunist8
United States226 Posts
There is one reason IdrA is still in Korea. Marketing. Lets face it. Just like a woman in a male dominated sport, a white guy in a Korean dominated sport sells. IdrA did win his tournament fair and square, whether you like the guy or not, so he did earn his way over there. But beyond that, it's been a massive flop. Whether it's too hard to adjust or not, he hasn't succeeded. I don't ever recall hearing him win a Courage tournament, and as far as I know, if you don't win that, the only other way to get a license is for someone to work the paperwork for you to get one. I could be completely wrong here, but that's everything I've seen. And I am led to believe that you need a Progamer License to play in the TG-Sambo GOMTV league. Now lets do the math from that. No courage win, in GOMTV league. Someone handed him the Pro-Gamer License. However he has failed to impress many so far. Whether you think they are "no-name noobs" or not, they still are a viewer of the games. They probably go and watch pro games on a regular basis. I'm willing to bet the only reason many of you support him is because he's a foreignor in Korea, and deep down you know it's not going to be as successful as everyone hopes. There are some who cheer because they like him, and they truly believe he will succeed. I compare these people to Kansas City Royals fans. But that doesn't matter. The truth is, being different sells. Just a side note, the tournament SCForAll hosted which he won: Open to US and Canadian residents only. If it hadn't been, we'd be seeing someone else over there right now. However he is, and that's where it stands. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WCG Thoughts: Not surprised with Group A. After everything was said about G5's playing style, I figured he'd throw everyone for a loop. NonY is no surprise. I'm happy for G5, from what everyone says, he's a radically different player, and I like seeing someone who isn't a "cookie-cutter" player. NonY is showing why he's the top guy not in the GMT+9 time zone, and dominating left and right. Good luck to both of them. As for Group B, with Yosh not showing, this makes everything seem a ton more interesting. I figured Yosh and Artosis to advance, but with him gone, it opens a lot up. I'm really impressed with Louder, tbh, who took down Artosis 2-0. I haven't seen the VODs yet, but it either takes balls-of-steel cheesing or good straight up play to accomplish that. Dino opened 2-0, but we'll see how much farther he gets. I'm not going to take sides and root for or against him, but we'll see some solid players advance from Group B. Overall, it doesn't matter much, as NonY looks poised to take down anyone in his way, but I think he and G5 will meet again in the finals for another set. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 04 2008 23:38 WorldCommunist8 wrote: There is one reason IdrA is still in Korea. Marketing. Lets face it. Just like a woman in a male dominated sport, a white guy in a Korean dominated sport sells. Yeah, because the hype in Korea for Idra has been enormous. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On October 04 2008 23:38 WorldCommunist8 wrote: But beyond that, it's been a massive flop. Whether it's too hard to adjust or not, he hasn't succeeded. I don't ever recall hearing him win a Courage tournament, and as far as I know, if you don't win that, the only other way to get a license is for someone to work the paperwork for you to get one. I could be completely wrong here, but that's everything I've seen. And I am led to believe that you need a Progamer License to play in the TG-Sambo GOMTV league. Now lets do the math from that. No courage win, in GOMTV league. Someone handed him the Pro-Gamer License. However he has failed to impress many so far. IdrA has participated in two Courage Leagues. He got eliminated early in the first one, but got very far in the second, only losing 1-2 to the winner of the tournament. That is impressive. I don't have statistics at hand, but I'm quite sure 90% of all the players that are official progamers today had to play several courage leagues to eventually win one. You are right, IdrA was given the pro-gaming license and marketing might be one of the reasons behind that, but definitely not the only one. Why am I saying that? The teams can not give away pro-gaming licenses too easily. I think they are limited to only one per season. If they think IdrA doesn't have what it takes, they won't just give him the license. The team doesn't benefit from giving IdrA a license if he's only going to sit on the bench, that's not good marketing. The coaches certainly saw his improvements and his potential and that's also why he was transferred from e-stro to cj entus. The reason why people on this forum keep saying "Your opinion doesn't count" is because it doesn't. Neither does mine, for a reason. The coaches in korea know what they are doing and why they have faith in IdrA, his results in this wcg tournament won't matter as long as he's performing well in Korea. | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
He played so poorly I do not know what to say about his games. | ||
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Tonkerchen
680 Posts
im gonna to watch these replays now~~  edit: ooops i was in wrong thread, shoot me T.T | ||
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JudgeMathis
Cuba1286 Posts
On October 05 2008 00:22 I3oxerfan wrote: I thought Idra will at least his gorup, but he is only 3rd. He sucks and I am really really disappointed. He played so poorly I do not know what to say about his games. Idra doesn't suck. But, Idra shouldn't have over hyped himself the way he did (we all know he was over hyping himself in the interview video). | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
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PaeZ
Mexico1627 Posts
On October 05 2008 00:39 I3oxerfan wrote: He does not suck at all. But in this tournament he sucks really teally hard. He played bad yes, every good player has bad and good days and sadly for Idra yesterday was a bad day for him, you cant say he sucks or anything because he doesnt, stop giving shit to Idra already... | ||
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BreaK
Canada890 Posts
its the latest thing uploaded so they'll probably be more on the way. edit: Wow, okay, apparently the whole video is just them playing the game, not the game itself. God damn it WCG... edit again: Okay, there are some moments of off-screen video of the game, and then at the very end the obs view, but most of the video is shots of the players not the game. Not good enough! | ||
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I3oxerfan
215 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5712 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
People talking bout his Korean time of adaptation bla bla is crap. When Elky got to Korea he was already starleague material, and got 3rd of one. To a lesser extent, you guys might not know, but Smuft when he got to korea, first thing he done was ranking 3rd of gamei offline tournament ( more or less ancestor of courage) then killing the last King of Kings champion on OGN (he 2-1 Grrrr... there who was still running in starleagues etc. Before semi final vs kingdom) then humilated Yellow on OGN as well in 8 mins, PVZ on Lost temple. Yellow was in his fucking prime, KTF team didn't even exist back then. Anyway, you can all bitch as much as you want claming players at that time didn't know how to play and that now its all different; Doesnt change anything to the equation saying it's better to send winning material right away rather than "oh im going to korea to learn sc" material. | ||
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Undisputed-
United States379 Posts
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
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