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On June 25 2008 15:33 Nintu wrote:lulz  Well they just need to lash Lucifer for his shit pvz....jesus....
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What just happened?
Can anyone please explain?
*is confused
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Awesome, well done estro. Well earned.
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That was fucking tragic.
GOD DAMN IT KTF!
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On June 25 2008 11:57 KizZBG wrote:
Same predictions as OP!
:D
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god damm it, dont worry people, estro won for daniel lee, their gonna go on some massive rampage and get to the top of the ladder
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On June 25 2008 15:36 KizZBG wrote::D
Great minds think alike, Kizz 
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On June 25 2008 15:35 Snipinpanda wrote:
What just happened?
Can anyone please explain?
*is confused
Lucifer killed Magma's spawning pool, but lost 4 zealots for almost zero lings. Magma's spire finished and 6 muta popped, he took out Lucifer's only cannon with his muta, and then killed the two new warping ones (that finished, but barely) and a lone zealot with his lings/muta, and then overwhelmed the cannons in his natural.
Also worth noting: the forge died at the very beginning because it was part of Lucifer's wallin and it was already low on health.
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On June 25 2008 15:32 ScarFace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2008 15:19 HaLLeBaRy wrote:On June 25 2008 15:13 ScarFace wrote:On June 25 2008 15:07 HaLLeBaRy wrote:On June 25 2008 15:01 ScarFace wrote:On June 25 2008 14:55 HaLLeBaRy wrote:On June 25 2008 14:50 Puosu wrote:On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote:
crazy macro from flash wins I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's. Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All. Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?  How come every time something is said about apm not mattering examples of protoss players pop up? Okay toss aside, nal ras cheese aside, his prime was ages ago when everyone was alot slower and nal ra is actually around 250 apm not 150..i checked alot of his replays and I also checked flash's replays and saw his fpvods his mechanics aren't that great but his timing is Nal ra's apm was not 250 in the period I am talking about. Doesn't matter either way, because your post is wrong. Did you even watch games from Nal ra's period? They may of been less quick, but not to a great extent where 150 is acceptable and now it is not. 150 was a joke. Nal ra made it work because he knew the game. He had good macro- maybe not the best, but it was always solid. Flash's macro is one of the best in the game, it has nothing to do with speed. It's not as if Flash ever missed a beat for his scv because his hands could not keep up with the pace of the game. Flash has great timing attacks, he has great build orders, but he also knows how to macro like crazy. Hence why he is compared to oov. As to the fpvods, I call bullshit. There are no flash FPVODS except for a few he had on a game show, against amateurs...which says absolutely nothing about his real ability. We have no replays of Flash, we have no FPVODS, none that are in real games anyways. We have generally, no idea what his apm is or whether he spams, or any crap like that. Nal ra is protoss that's why he made 150 apm work, also I highly doubt he really was 150 show me a replay of this and it better not be from 8 years ago. Every time they switch into flashes fpview he doesn't seem like anything special as far as mechanics go, even in his replays he just looks like a regular terran but he always attacks exactly when he needs to. 1) Quit the protoss bullshit, its not 1a2a3a4a to win, there is always shit to do. 2) I said height of dominance, like a few years ago. Pringles msl etc. If you want proof of his low apm, maybe you should just look around. There are plenty of topics discussing pro gamers apm, and they have evidence. There was one not long ago, and nal ra was clearly discussed in it. Go learn. 3) They show the players FPVOD for like 20 seconds.... 4) What replays? Leaked ones from years ago? A few low key practice games? Non existent ones? What?
There's always something to do, yes BUT as protoss it's minor little things like moving zealots around but in the terrans case you have to plant mines and do actual things instead of JUST positioning the army but terran also needs to position their stuff so protoss is just easier to play, even their macro is easier because of probes so lower apm is possible but there was never a terran who was slow and good, even boxer was always decently fast. As far as replays I remember watching a few of him unless the guy who posted lied that it's flash.
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So like, the day following Daniel Lee's retirement, eStro takes down the top Starcraft team 3-1? :/
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On June 25 2008 15:41 Nintu wrote:
So like, the day following Daniel Lee's retirement, eStro takes down the top Starcraft team 3-1? :/
they beat mbc last time with daniel -_-
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Well, at least some good seems to be coming out of Daniel Lee's retirement... =(
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On June 25 2008 15:41 Nintu wrote:
So like, the day following Daniel Lee's retirement, eStro takes down the top Starcraft team 3-1? :/
well... today's lineup was made by daniel./
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Im sick of terrans just pissing on P's because they play a race that is harder to learn mechanically -_-, it's like a free pass to brag.
Good job estro anyway!
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Haha, eSTRO scores a win. KTF drops a precious game in the playoff race. It's what you get for playing Hery. Hery sucks.
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wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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On June 25 2008 15:38 HaLLeBaRy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2008 15:32 ScarFace wrote:On June 25 2008 15:19 HaLLeBaRy wrote:On June 25 2008 15:13 ScarFace wrote:On June 25 2008 15:07 HaLLeBaRy wrote:On June 25 2008 15:01 ScarFace wrote:On June 25 2008 14:55 HaLLeBaRy wrote:On June 25 2008 14:50 Puosu wrote:On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote:
crazy macro from flash wins I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's. Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All. Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself? How come every time something is said about apm not mattering examples of protoss players pop up? Okay toss aside, nal ras cheese aside, his prime was ages ago when everyone was alot slower and nal ra is actually around 250 apm not 150..i checked alot of his replays and I also checked flash's replays and saw his fpvods his mechanics aren't that great but his timing is Nal ra's apm was not 250 in the period I am talking about. Doesn't matter either way, because your post is wrong. Did you even watch games from Nal ra's period? They may of been less quick, but not to a great extent where 150 is acceptable and now it is not. 150 was a joke. Nal ra made it work because he knew the game. He had good macro- maybe not the best, but it was always solid. Flash's macro is one of the best in the game, it has nothing to do with speed. It's not as if Flash ever missed a beat for his scv because his hands could not keep up with the pace of the game. Flash has great timing attacks, he has great build orders, but he also knows how to macro like crazy. Hence why he is compared to oov. As to the fpvods, I call bullshit. There are no flash FPVODS except for a few he had on a game show, against amateurs...which says absolutely nothing about his real ability. We have no replays of Flash, we have no FPVODS, none that are in real games anyways. We have generally, no idea what his apm is or whether he spams, or any crap like that. Nal ra is protoss that's why he made 150 apm work, also I highly doubt he really was 150 show me a replay of this and it better not be from 8 years ago. Every time they switch into flashes fpview he doesn't seem like anything special as far as mechanics go, even in his replays he just looks like a regular terran but he always attacks exactly when he needs to. 1) Quit the protoss bullshit, its not 1a2a3a4a to win, there is always shit to do. 2) I said height of dominance, like a few years ago. Pringles msl etc. If you want proof of his low apm, maybe you should just look around. There are plenty of topics discussing pro gamers apm, and they have evidence. There was one not long ago, and nal ra was clearly discussed in it. Go learn. 3) They show the players FPVOD for like 20 seconds.... 4) What replays? Leaked ones from years ago? A few low key practice games? Non existent ones? What? There's always something to do, yes BUT as protoss it's minor little things like moving zealots around but in the terrans case you have to plant mines and do actual things instead of JUST positioning the army but terran also needs to position their stuff so protoss is just easier to play, even their macro is easier because of probes so lower apm is possible but there was never a terran who was slow and good, even boxer was always decently fast. As far as replays I remember watching a few of him unless the guy who posted lied that it's flash.
What kind of argument is that?
If protoss is easier to play it's because Zealots don't have mines, and dragoons can't seige. And what protoss wouldn't like to have that?. Which Terran would ever want mines and seige to be removed from their units to have easier control? If you must have more mechanics it's because of the things that make you better.
In late game things are more equaled, because protoss must controll HT and Arbiter usually. So I'm not saying it's imbalanced, I'm saying at early and midgame T have better units, thus requires better mechanics.
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team flash drops another match
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