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[ShinhanPL] KTF MagicNs vs eSTRO June '08 - Page 9

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ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
June 25 2008 06:32 GMT
#161
On June 25 2008 15:19 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 15:13 ScarFace wrote:
On June 25 2008 15:07 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
On June 25 2008 15:01 ScarFace wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:55 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:50 Puosu wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote:
crazy macro from flash wins

I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.

Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.


Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?

How come every time something is said about apm not mattering examples of protoss players pop up? Okay toss aside, nal ras cheese aside, his prime was ages ago when everyone was alot slower and nal ra is actually around 250 apm not 150..i checked alot of his replays and I also checked flash's replays and saw his fpvods his mechanics aren't that great but his timing is
Nal ra's apm was not 250 in the period I am talking about. Doesn't matter either way, because your post is wrong. Did you even watch games from Nal ra's period? They may of been less quick, but not to a great extent where 150 is acceptable and now it is not. 150 was a joke. Nal ra made it work because he knew the game. He had good macro- maybe not the best, but it was always solid. Flash's macro is one of the best in the game, it has nothing to do with speed. It's not as if Flash ever missed a beat for his scv because his hands could not keep up with the pace of the game. Flash has great timing attacks, he has great build orders, but he also knows how to macro like crazy. Hence why he is compared to oov.

As to the fpvods, I call bullshit. There are no flash FPVODS except for a few he had on a game show, against amateurs...which says absolutely nothing about his real ability. We have no replays of Flash, we have no FPVODS, none that are in real games anyways. We have generally, no idea what his apm is or whether he spams, or any crap like that.
Nal ra is protoss that's why he made 150 apm work, also I highly doubt he really was 150 show me a replay of this and it better not be from 8 years ago. Every time they switch into flashes fpview he doesn't seem like anything special as far as mechanics go, even in his replays he just looks like a regular terran but he always attacks exactly when he needs to.

1) Quit the protoss bullshit, its not 1a2a3a4a to win, there is always shit to do.
2) I said height of dominance, like a few years ago. Pringles msl etc. If you want proof of his low apm, maybe you should just look around. There are plenty of topics discussing pro gamers apm, and they have evidence. There was one not long ago, and nal ra was clearly discussed in it. Go learn.
3) They show the players FPVOD for like 20 seconds....
4) What replays? Leaked ones from years ago? A few low key practice games? Non existent ones? What?
Can you dig it?
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 25 2008 06:32 GMT
#162
I don't fucking understand what MagMa was doing.
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-25 06:33:49
June 25 2008 06:32 GMT
#163
Oh my god. I cannot believe I just saw that.

EDIT: Repeat the above.
Trust in Bayes.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 25 2008 06:32 GMT
#164
lucifer looks crushed
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Commander-Zerg
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada341 Posts
June 25 2008 06:33 GMT
#165
omg i can't believe he just let him kill his pool
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 25 2008 06:33 GMT
#166
LOOKS GOOD
FOR MAGMA
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
June 25 2008 06:33 GMT
#167
On June 25 2008 11:31 ScarFace wrote:
estro 3:1 my ass....


lulz
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
June 25 2008 06:33 GMT
#168
omg wtf
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 25 2008 06:33 GMT
#169
wtf lucifer u sux
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noojOh
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States755 Posts
June 25 2008 06:33 GMT
#170
wtf happened?
ftw
Commander-Zerg
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada341 Posts
June 25 2008 06:34 GMT
#171
NVM CAUSE YEE HAN TIMING WINSSSSSS
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 25 2008 06:34 GMT
#172
I'm the master of predicting.

YES!
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
June 25 2008 06:34 GMT
#173
omg estro wins
wraiths go pew pew
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
June 25 2008 06:34 GMT
#174
Oh my god, I cannot believe I just saw that.
Trust in Bayes.
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
June 25 2008 06:34 GMT
#175
Park Moon Kiiiiiiiii
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 25 2008 06:34 GMT
#176
wait what the fuck ktf is going to lose 1-3

....

no fuckin way what
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 25 2008 06:34 GMT
#177
GG
Magma wins.

3-1 eSTRO > KTF

WOOHOO!

#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Semagdnim
Profile Joined May 2008
United States126 Posts
June 25 2008 06:34 GMT
#178
Top to bottom so quickly.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 25 2008 06:35 GMT
#179
k get the fuck out hery, lucifer

bring in nalra, yellow
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 25 2008 06:35 GMT
#180
Again, I'm the best predictor. YES! jk
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
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