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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 25 2008 05:57 GMT
#121
On June 25 2008 14:56 Ryot wrote:
Anyone else's stream go down? (VLC)

Yes
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Flyingsnow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Japan208 Posts
June 25 2008 05:57 GMT
#122
ya my relay went down
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-25 05:57:54
June 25 2008 05:57 GMT
#123
Anyone else lose their stream?

... edit: in today's new, I am a jackass.
AnyOne
Profile Joined January 2008
Chile547 Posts
June 25 2008 05:57 GMT
#124
daum hwaiting
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Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
June 25 2008 05:58 GMT
#125
mingu tried to copy luxury's build that he succeeded against flash with but apparently he didnt study it hard enough and got useless tech like den/mound he never used and was to slow with the already misplaced guardians
OMG you nasty gurl
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
June 25 2008 05:59 GMT
#126
On June 25 2008 14:55 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 14:50 Puosu wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote:
crazy macro from flash wins

I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.

Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing

Good point, except Flash's APM is a lot higher than 260. I thought the Den was a fakeout, was I wrong?
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
aev
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
166 Posts
June 25 2008 06:00 GMT
#127
Is the stream still working? I can't seem to connect at all :/
Ryot
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada316 Posts
June 25 2008 06:00 GMT
#128
lol anyone have Flash reps? =O

vlc still down down down
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-25 06:01:34
June 25 2008 06:01 GMT
#129

Good point, except Flash's APM is a lot higher than 260. I thought the Den was a fakeout, was I wrong?


I think you're right, but combined with the mound it just makes mingu seem silly.
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-25 06:03:15
June 25 2008 06:01 GMT
#130
On June 25 2008 14:55 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 14:50 Puosu wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote:
crazy macro from flash wins

I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.

Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.


Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
Can you dig it?
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 25 2008 06:02 GMT
#131
On June 25 2008 14:58 Kuja900 wrote:
mingu tried to copy luxury's build that he succeeded against flash with but apparently he didnt study it hard enough and got useless tech like den/mound he never used and was to slow with the already misplaced guardians

it wasnt luxurys build, hes had something like this ready since the 3rd or 4th week of proleague, he just hadnt gotten a terran yet.

he got kind of unlucky getting scouted first, threw off the timing a bit.
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
June 25 2008 06:03 GMT
#132
On June 25 2008 15:01 ScarFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 14:55 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:50 Puosu wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote:
crazy macro from flash wins

I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.

Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nalra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.


QFT
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
June 25 2008 06:04 GMT
#133
On June 25 2008 15:01 ScarFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 14:55 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:50 Puosu wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote:
crazy macro from flash wins

I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.

Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.


Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?


I think that's what he was saying when he said he has really good timing...
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ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-25 06:06:28
June 25 2008 06:05 GMT
#134
On June 25 2008 15:04 kemoryan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 15:01 ScarFace wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:55 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:50 Puosu wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote:
crazy macro from flash wins

I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.

Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.


Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?


I think that's what he was saying when he said he has really good timing...
Macro is a part of Mechanics, so no it was not. Timing is strategy, its combat. Macro is troop production, they are intertwined and both have timing, but are different.
Can you dig it?
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
June 25 2008 06:06 GMT
#135
EAPM is made up and doesn't mean anything. APM is at least objective.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
HaLLeBaRy
Profile Joined May 2008
Turkey340 Posts
June 25 2008 06:07 GMT
#136
On June 25 2008 15:01 ScarFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 14:55 HaLLeBaRy wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:50 Puosu wrote:
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote:
crazy macro from flash wins

I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.

Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.


Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?

How come every time something is said about apm not mattering examples of protoss players pop up? Okay toss aside, nal ras cheese aside, his prime was ages ago when everyone was alot slower and nal ra is actually around 250 apm not 150..i checked alot of his replays and I also checked flash's replays and saw his fpvods his mechanics aren't that great but his timing is
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 25 2008 06:07 GMT
#137
On June 25 2008 15:02 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2008 14:58 Kuja900 wrote:
mingu tried to copy luxury's build that he succeeded against flash with but apparently he didnt study it hard enough and got useless tech like den/mound he never used and was to slow with the already misplaced guardians

it wasnt luxurys build, hes had something like this ready since the 3rd or 4th week of proleague, he just hadnt gotten a terran yet.

he got kind of unlucky getting scouted first, threw off the timing a bit.


IdrA do you just practice with the B-team members when the Proleague team goes off?
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AnyOne
Profile Joined January 2008
Chile547 Posts
June 25 2008 06:10 GMT
#138
zergboy died lol
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AnyOne
Profile Joined January 2008
Chile547 Posts
June 25 2008 06:11 GMT
#139
estro team won
zergboy such a noob
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spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
June 25 2008 06:12 GMT
#140
less zerbong more yellow plz. but yay for estro putting it to at least an acematch
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