Yaoyuan should work, with some delay to the Daum stream. Works only in IE and requires the TVAnts plugin (dl here)
If you have a good connection, use the Daum player (guide here); it has both OGN and MBC, but might buffer every few seconds. If you receive an error message, changing the streaming room is said to help.
I admit really is very good, and could take the match. I also admit magma is really good [at least in zvt, flash vs magma as an example], but I don't see a 3:1 happening. Something has got to give, it always does with Estro. haha
This is just gonna make mingu's condition just that much more worse for him.
Unless the OSL curse has gone full swing at this point, mingu is going to be crying tonight.
Sea.Really is great, upmagic reincarnate? Magma is great too, best mu is ZvP and Lucifer blows..dunno, he might pull another cheesy build, but its katrina so I'll give it 55/45 in favor of magma.
Zergboy is slow fat fucking zerg retard, making Reach do all the work. Tester/hyvaa together, are a great team.
I actually expect 3-1 estro, with only loss being from Flash, but I'm hoping for a 3-0
Magma is great too, best mu is ZvP and Lucifer blows..dunno, he might pull another cheesy build, but its katrina so I'll give it 55/45 in favor of magma.
I've only seen his more recent games, and his last 1vs1 win vs P was against Reach. But then, I like Lucifer and am biased, so we'll see.
estro 3-1 KTF? reachwill pull another corsair + shuttle + cannon on cliff stunt =) and Lucifer will proxy the hell outta magma. MagicNs ftw. But Flash considering he just lost to Lucifer, Hero, and Free ... will probably drop another one =(
On June 25 2008 13:13 Ra.Xor.2 wrote: estro 3-1 KTF? reachwill pull another corsair + shuttle + cannon on cliff stunt =) and Lucifer will proxy the hell outta magma. MagicNs ftw. But Flash considering he just lost to Lucifer, Hero, and Free ... will probably drop another one =(
You meant Luxury, I doubt he's going to lose to Lucifer . But either way, Mingu is not Luxury, or Hero or Free for that matter.
KTF in three, and why isnt Last Romantic making the ktf threads, isnt that the unwritten rule
anyways predictions Hery - His last few games have been pimp, traning with the best in the world must be helping the young kid Flash - Flash is still a monster, he lost to the best ZvT in the world so i have no doubt that he will destroy magma KTF - Reach is sexy, enough said KTF 3-0
Really's anticipation of Hery's drop was great, that one where he waited to make SCVs. Just nice play. I'm watching Really and Lomo lately, at least among Terrans. And Hwasin, I mean, duh.
eSTRO must've gotten new make-up thingies, first they made IdrA from an average looking guy to a fucking Rick Astley and now even Mingu looks a lot better than what he used to look like, wow!
On June 25 2008 14:35 ClouD.BreaK wrote: Honestly, Hery just got dominated. All this talk about Really being the next big thing might not be so ridiculous.
GO FLASH!
yup I first noticed him in his game vs BEST Before that I made fun of him for getting drone rushed
I read the comments about the mutas going towards Flash and their being no defense just as I tuned into the game and they were already showing the playback...I feared the worst.
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
On June 25 2008 14:51 tttt wrote: Look at Flash's mins in the replay. Holy shit. Not once over 1k and for the vast majority of the time under 500.
Yes its good to see tht lee young ho remembers how to macro, that was so shitty in osl when he gged with over 2k minerals, good to see him get a win, hes back but when did he ever leave
mingu tried to copy luxury's build that he succeeded against flash with but apparently he didnt study it hard enough and got useless tech like den/mound he never used and was to slow with the already misplaced guardians
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Good point, except Flash's APM is a lot higher than 260. I thought the Den was a fakeout, was I wrong?
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
On June 25 2008 14:58 Kuja900 wrote: mingu tried to copy luxury's build that he succeeded against flash with but apparently he didnt study it hard enough and got useless tech like den/mound he never used and was to slow with the already misplaced guardians
it wasnt luxurys build, hes had something like this ready since the 3rd or 4th week of proleague, he just hadnt gotten a terran yet.
he got kind of unlucky getting scouted first, threw off the timing a bit.
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nalra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
I think that's what he was saying when he said he has really good timing...
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
I think that's what he was saying when he said he has really good timing...
Macro is a part of Mechanics, so no it was not. Timing is strategy, its combat. Macro is troop production, they are intertwined and both have timing, but are different.
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
How come every time something is said about apm not mattering examples of protoss players pop up? Okay toss aside, nal ras cheese aside, his prime was ages ago when everyone was alot slower and nal ra is actually around 250 apm not 150..i checked alot of his replays and I also checked flash's replays and saw his fpvods his mechanics aren't that great but his timing is
On June 25 2008 14:58 Kuja900 wrote: mingu tried to copy luxury's build that he succeeded against flash with but apparently he didnt study it hard enough and got useless tech like den/mound he never used and was to slow with the already misplaced guardians
it wasnt luxurys build, hes had something like this ready since the 3rd or 4th week of proleague, he just hadnt gotten a terran yet.
he got kind of unlucky getting scouted first, threw off the timing a bit.
IdrA do you just practice with the B-team members when the Proleague team goes off?
On June 25 2008 14:58 Kuja900 wrote: mingu tried to copy luxury's build that he succeeded against flash with but apparently he didnt study it hard enough and got useless tech like den/mound he never used and was to slow with the already misplaced guardians
it wasnt luxurys build, hes had something like this ready since the 3rd or 4th week of proleague, he just hadnt gotten a terran yet.
he got kind of unlucky getting scouted first, threw off the timing a bit.
oh wow thnks for the insight its so cool that u know this lol got me all giddy
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
How come every time something is said about apm not mattering examples of protoss players pop up? Okay toss aside, nal ras cheese aside, his prime was ages ago when everyone was alot slower and nal ra is actually around 250 apm not 150..i checked alot of his replays and I also checked flash's replays and saw his fpvods his mechanics aren't that great but his timing is
Nal ra's apm was not 250 in the period I am talking about. Doesn't matter either way, because your post is wrong. Did you even watch games from Nal ra's period? They may of been less quick, but not to a great extent where 150 is acceptable and now it is not. 150 was a joke. Nal ra made it work because he knew the game. He had good macro- maybe not the best, but it was always solid. Flash's macro is one of the best in the game, it has nothing to do with speed. It's not as if Flash ever missed a beat for his scv because his hands could not keep up with the pace of the game. Flash has great timing attacks, he has great build orders, but he also knows how to macro like crazy. Hence why he is compared to oov.
As to the fpvods, I call bullshit. There are no flash FPVODS except for a few he had on a game show, against amateurs...which says absolutely nothing about his real ability. We have no replays of Flash, we have no FPVODS, none that are in real games anyways. We have generally, no idea what his apm is or whether he spams, or any crap like that.
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
yeah it was a flash win, he had no turrets and the mutas did nothing, he had 15 sunks and flash was like pfft, thats all you got and mingu left
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
How come every time something is said about apm not mattering examples of protoss players pop up? Okay toss aside, nal ras cheese aside, his prime was ages ago when everyone was alot slower and nal ra is actually around 250 apm not 150..i checked alot of his replays and I also checked flash's replays and saw his fpvods his mechanics aren't that great but his timing is
Nal ra's apm was not 250 in the period I am talking about. Doesn't matter either way, because your post is wrong. Did you even watch games from Nal ra's period? They may of been less quick, but not to a great extent where 150 is acceptable and now it is not. 150 was a joke. Nal ra made it work because he knew the game. He had good macro- maybe not the best, but it was always solid. Flash's macro is one of the best in the game, it has nothing to do with speed. It's not as if Flash ever missed a beat for his scv because his hands could not keep up with the pace of the game. Flash has great timing attacks, he has great build orders, but he also knows how to macro like crazy. Hence why he is compared to oov.
As to the fpvods, I call bullshit. There are no flash FPVODS except for a few he had on a game show, against amateurs...which says absolutely nothing about his real ability. We have no replays of Flash, we have no FPVODS, none that are in real games anyways. We have generally, no idea what his apm is or whether he spams, or any crap like that.
Nal ra is protoss that's why he made 150 apm work, also I highly doubt he really was 150 show me a replay of this and it better not be from 8 years ago. Every time they switch into flashes fpview he doesn't seem like anything special as far as mechanics go, even in his replays he just looks like a regular terran but he always attacks exactly when he needs to.
i think that flash and nal_ra just scout very well which is why they have great timing and game sense in flash's games u always see him scanning or sending scvs around
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
How come every time something is said about apm not mattering examples of protoss players pop up? Okay toss aside, nal ras cheese aside, his prime was ages ago when everyone was alot slower and nal ra is actually around 250 apm not 150..i checked alot of his replays and I also checked flash's replays and saw his fpvods his mechanics aren't that great but his timing is
Nal ra's apm was not 250 in the period I am talking about. Doesn't matter either way, because your post is wrong. Did you even watch games from Nal ra's period? They may of been less quick, but not to a great extent where 150 is acceptable and now it is not. 150 was a joke. Nal ra made it work because he knew the game. He had good macro- maybe not the best, but it was always solid. Flash's macro is one of the best in the game, it has nothing to do with speed. It's not as if Flash ever missed a beat for his scv because his hands could not keep up with the pace of the game. Flash has great timing attacks, he has great build orders, but he also knows how to macro like crazy. Hence why he is compared to oov.
As to the fpvods, I call bullshit. There are no flash FPVODS except for a few he had on a game show, against amateurs...which says absolutely nothing about his real ability. We have no replays of Flash, we have no FPVODS, none that are in real games anyways. We have generally, no idea what his apm is or whether he spams, or any crap like that.
Nal ra is protoss that's why he made 150 apm work, also I highly doubt he really was 150 show me a replay of this and it better not be from 8 years ago. Every time they switch into flashes fpview he doesn't seem like anything special as far as mechanics go, even in his replays he just looks like a regular terran but he always attacks exactly when he needs to.
1) Quit the protoss bullshit, its not 1a2a3a4a to win, there is always shit to do. 2) I said height of dominance, like a few years ago. Pringles msl etc. If you want proof of his low apm, maybe you should just look around. There are plenty of topics discussing pro gamers apm, and they have evidence. There was one not long ago, and nal ra was clearly discussed in it. Go learn. 3) They show the players FPVOD for like 20 seconds.... 4) What replays? Leaked ones from years ago? A few low key practice games? Non existent ones? What?
On June 25 2008 15:35 Snipinpanda wrote: What just happened?
Can anyone please explain? *is confused
Lucifer killed Magma's spawning pool, but lost 4 zealots for almost zero lings. Magma's spire finished and 6 muta popped, he took out Lucifer's only cannon with his muta, and then killed the two new warping ones (that finished, but barely) and a lone zealot with his lings/muta, and then overwhelmed the cannons in his natural.
Also worth noting: the forge died at the very beginning because it was part of Lucifer's wallin and it was already low on health.
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
How come every time something is said about apm not mattering examples of protoss players pop up? Okay toss aside, nal ras cheese aside, his prime was ages ago when everyone was alot slower and nal ra is actually around 250 apm not 150..i checked alot of his replays and I also checked flash's replays and saw his fpvods his mechanics aren't that great but his timing is
Nal ra's apm was not 250 in the period I am talking about. Doesn't matter either way, because your post is wrong. Did you even watch games from Nal ra's period? They may of been less quick, but not to a great extent where 150 is acceptable and now it is not. 150 was a joke. Nal ra made it work because he knew the game. He had good macro- maybe not the best, but it was always solid. Flash's macro is one of the best in the game, it has nothing to do with speed. It's not as if Flash ever missed a beat for his scv because his hands could not keep up with the pace of the game. Flash has great timing attacks, he has great build orders, but he also knows how to macro like crazy. Hence why he is compared to oov.
As to the fpvods, I call bullshit. There are no flash FPVODS except for a few he had on a game show, against amateurs...which says absolutely nothing about his real ability. We have no replays of Flash, we have no FPVODS, none that are in real games anyways. We have generally, no idea what his apm is or whether he spams, or any crap like that.
Nal ra is protoss that's why he made 150 apm work, also I highly doubt he really was 150 show me a replay of this and it better not be from 8 years ago. Every time they switch into flashes fpview he doesn't seem like anything special as far as mechanics go, even in his replays he just looks like a regular terran but he always attacks exactly when he needs to.
1) Quit the protoss bullshit, its not 1a2a3a4a to win, there is always shit to do. 2) I said height of dominance, like a few years ago. Pringles msl etc. If you want proof of his low apm, maybe you should just look around. There are plenty of topics discussing pro gamers apm, and they have evidence. There was one not long ago, and nal ra was clearly discussed in it. Go learn. 3) They show the players FPVOD for like 20 seconds.... 4) What replays? Leaked ones from years ago? A few low key practice games? Non existent ones? What?
There's always something to do, yes BUT as protoss it's minor little things like moving zealots around but in the terrans case you have to plant mines and do actual things instead of JUST positioning the army but terran also needs to position their stuff so protoss is just easier to play, even their macro is easier because of probes so lower apm is possible but there was never a terran who was slow and good, even boxer was always decently fast. As far as replays I remember watching a few of him unless the guy who posted lied that it's flash.
On June 25 2008 14:49 aev wrote: crazy macro from flash wins
I bet that build worked versus the eSTRO terrans who MinGu practiced against as they probably have a macro nothing near Flash's.
Flash has way weaker mechanics than you think, he's around 260 apm so someone like really definitely has macro almost as good or better than flash. Most of his games are won with really good timing
Speed means jack shit in starcraft. Nal ra had like 150 apm at his height. Its all about effective apm, what is spam, and what is not. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you dont understand the game and you cant multitask, no matter how much you spaz around the screen. Flash knows when his scv's need to be built, where they need to be, when depots go down, when units must be made. He UNDERSTANDS macro, it has nothing to do with hand speed. At. All.
Anyways: I didn't watch the game, but I read the commentary. Flash raped a b team zerg. But did he REALLY rape him, like Flash style? Did he pull out a real win, or just a "win because you suck really bad"? Basically, did Flash look like himself?
How come every time something is said about apm not mattering examples of protoss players pop up? Okay toss aside, nal ras cheese aside, his prime was ages ago when everyone was alot slower and nal ra is actually around 250 apm not 150..i checked alot of his replays and I also checked flash's replays and saw his fpvods his mechanics aren't that great but his timing is
Nal ra's apm was not 250 in the period I am talking about. Doesn't matter either way, because your post is wrong. Did you even watch games from Nal ra's period? They may of been less quick, but not to a great extent where 150 is acceptable and now it is not. 150 was a joke. Nal ra made it work because he knew the game. He had good macro- maybe not the best, but it was always solid. Flash's macro is one of the best in the game, it has nothing to do with speed. It's not as if Flash ever missed a beat for his scv because his hands could not keep up with the pace of the game. Flash has great timing attacks, he has great build orders, but he also knows how to macro like crazy. Hence why he is compared to oov.
As to the fpvods, I call bullshit. There are no flash FPVODS except for a few he had on a game show, against amateurs...which says absolutely nothing about his real ability. We have no replays of Flash, we have no FPVODS, none that are in real games anyways. We have generally, no idea what his apm is or whether he spams, or any crap like that.
Nal ra is protoss that's why he made 150 apm work, also I highly doubt he really was 150 show me a replay of this and it better not be from 8 years ago. Every time they switch into flashes fpview he doesn't seem like anything special as far as mechanics go, even in his replays he just looks like a regular terran but he always attacks exactly when he needs to.
1) Quit the protoss bullshit, its not 1a2a3a4a to win, there is always shit to do. 2) I said height of dominance, like a few years ago. Pringles msl etc. If you want proof of his low apm, maybe you should just look around. There are plenty of topics discussing pro gamers apm, and they have evidence. There was one not long ago, and nal ra was clearly discussed in it. Go learn. 3) They show the players FPVOD for like 20 seconds.... 4) What replays? Leaked ones from years ago? A few low key practice games? Non existent ones? What?
There's always something to do, yes BUT as protoss it's minor little things like moving zealots around but in the terrans case you have to plant mines and do actual things instead of JUST positioning the army but terran also needs to position their stuff so protoss is just easier to play, even their macro is easier because of probes so lower apm is possible but there was never a terran who was slow and good, even boxer was always decently fast. As far as replays I remember watching a few of him unless the guy who posted lied that it's flash.
What kind of argument is that? If protoss is easier to play it's because Zealots don't have mines, and dragoons can't seige. And what protoss wouldn't like to have that?. Which Terran would ever want mines and seige to be removed from their units to have easier control? If you must have more mechanics it's because of the things that make you better.
In late game things are more equaled, because protoss must controll HT and Arbiter usually. So I'm not saying it's imbalanced, I'm saying at early and midgame T have better units, thus requires better mechanics.
I checked the prediction and I was likt "wtf, eSTRO winning tis 3-1, well ok."
....
Then I checked the results "omgwtf hax prediction."
and yeah, when I saw the lineup, I knew ktf would lose 3-1 or something. Hery isn't that good, zergboy is no Hong Jin Ho so he should gtfo and let JinHo own. Lucifer lost his recent matches (I think this is his second/third straight against Zerg). Flash is Flash, and he was against anyone good.
On June 25 2008 21:05 SilverSkyLark wrote: I checked the prediction and I was likt "wtf, eSTRO winning tis 3-1, well ok."
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Then I checked the results "omgwtf hax prediction."
and yeah, when I saw the lineup, I knew ktf would lose 3-1 or something. Hery isn't that good, zergboy is no Hong Jin Ho so he should gtfo and let JinHo own. Lucifer lost his recent matches (I think this is his second/third straight against Zerg). Flash is Flash, and he was against anyone good.
I assume that thats ment to say he wasnt against anyone good, he was man, mingus not that bad, and anyways he did own him pretty bad, he macroed properly and atcully scouted this time. Herys not bad, hes practising with the best terran in the world so i think that it wont take long till he is owning, and yeah i agree with you that zergpoo is shit, idk why they dont let yellow play.
On June 25 2008 21:05 SilverSkyLark wrote: I checked the prediction and I was likt "wtf, eSTRO winning tis 3-1, well ok."
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Then I checked the results "omgwtf hax prediction."
and yeah, when I saw the lineup, I knew ktf would lose 3-1 or something. Hery isn't that good, zergboy is no Hong Jin Ho so he should gtfo and let JinHo own. Lucifer lost his recent matches (I think this is his second/third straight against Zerg). Flash is Flash, and he was against anyone good.
I assume that thats ment to say he wasnt against anyone good, he was man, mingus not that bad, and anyways he did own him pretty bad, he macroed properly and atcully scouted this time. Herys not bad, hes practising with the best terran in the world so i think that it wont take long till he is owning, and yeah i agree with you that zergpoo is shit, idk why they dont let yellow play.
Well, maybe Flash made Mingu look bad but yeah, Mingu deserves credit on that one. I dunno about Hery, practicing with Flash can make you feel little of yourself since your getting owned. But at least your practicing with the best.
On June 25 2008 21:05 SilverSkyLark wrote: I checked the prediction and I was likt "wtf, eSTRO winning tis 3-1, well ok."
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Then I checked the results "omgwtf hax prediction."
and yeah, when I saw the lineup, I knew ktf would lose 3-1 or something. Hery isn't that good, zergboy is no Hong Jin Ho so he should gtfo and let JinHo own. Lucifer lost his recent matches (I think this is his second/third straight against Zerg). Flash is Flash, and he was against anyone good.
I assume that thats ment to say he wasnt against anyone good, he was man, mingus not that bad, and anyways he did own him pretty bad, he macroed properly and atcully scouted this time. Herys not bad, hes practising with the best terran in the world so i think that it wont take long till he is owning, and yeah i agree with you that zergpoo is shit, idk why they dont let yellow play.
Well, maybe Flash made Mingu look bad but yeah, Mingu deserves credit on that one. I dunno about Hery, practicing with Flash can make you feel little of yourself since your getting owned. But at least your practicing with the best.
How dose mingu deserve credit, he got owned badly lol, practising vs the best helps man, especsily if your beating the best, means that you get confidence up because you know that you have a chance, i doubt any of the ktf youngsters would be where they havent been playing with flash
God, thre are so many garbage theorycraft posts and stupid shit. Reach and Yellow can't macro past two bases... LOL fuckn.... retards, it hurts sooo bad to see this garbage.
I just wanted to come here to rub it in KTF's face that they will lose their playoff spot and ruin the greatest PL semi final possiblity with Lecaf/Samsung/KTF/SKT1 cuz their old retiring crappy one-man army of a team couldn't finish the season.
And I told you so, Lucipher sucks. BAHAHWHWHAWHAWHHAWHAWA.
On June 25 2008 21:43 Scaramanga wrote: yeah i agree with you that zergpoo is shit, idk why they dont let yellow play.
We really need to know how these line-ups of players are decided.
KTF could just easily cruise through PL if they play with Flash, rA, Reach and YellOw.
Flash, maybe, but I highly doubt rA, Reach, or YellOw would consistently win games. Granted, YellOw did pull a few surprise wins against NaDa and Leta but otherwise the higher class players these days would probably destroy them.
I was very suprise to see eStro beating KTF 3-1. Had the game went to ace match, most likely KTF would won with Flash. Mingu's build was really good. It was a fake 2 hatch lurker with a free 3rd gas with sunken on cliff to defend. Had Flash attacked a few seconds later, Mingu might had won. Mingu prepared morphing guardians at each base to defend. Flash's timing was just too good.
On June 25 2008 21:43 Scaramanga wrote: yeah i agree with you that zergpoo is shit, idk why they dont let yellow play.
We really need to know how these line-ups of players are decided.
KTF could just easily cruise through PL if they play with Flash, rA, Reach and YellOw.
Reach and Yellow could not macro beyond 2 bases, are you aware of that?
Well that's sad... I didn't know that :/
Don't worry. It's not sad because it's not true. I don't know where they come from with this crap. I guess oov only could play 1 base 2 fac, because beyond that he got lost in his macro. That's why back in the day oov vs reach was such a big deal, cause you will see two masters of the 1 base play.
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Hery < Othello > (T)
MinGu
Reach < Hannibal > (Z)
. But either way, Mingu is not Luxury, or Hero or Free for that matter.
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