EPTNvm how did you answer my question before i even asked?! :O <3
[OSL] Bacchus 2008 Ro16 Day 3 - Page 31
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
Nvm how did you answer my question before i even asked?! :O <3 | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On January 24 2008 08:09 MeriaDoKk wrote: damn i got them all wrong! hahaha me 2. I believe this is my first 0/4 wow | ||
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JIJI
Canada291 Posts
On January 24 2008 01:13 ilovejonn wrote: Wtf 1/4.... I suck @ liquibet. Oh so true. 4/4 ezpz. | ||
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
On January 23 2008 20:57 Hot_Bid wrote: this is mostly because it's not a mainstream sport, if millions of dollars were on the line, your "honor" goes right out the window sure it's easy to concede when the culture and community is still small and close knit and your entire life isn't banking on one game osl finals, yellow's last chance at an OSL title, 5th game final set this happens, you think he'd not take the option at a regame? what if the prize money was a whole year's salary? The logic of your posts about this seems quite flawed. If there is money is a bank, do you rob it? No, because it's not the right thing to do. There is possibility, yes, but just like you do living your whole life, you must make decisions according to your code of ethics. So, if you replay a game you've lost just to get the result you want, you pretty much disregard the whole point of the game. The game - or any sport, in fact - is about the process than happens during play.If all you care for is getting the right result, you might just as well not play against anyone, since obviously you would prefer free wins. You could compare what you're saying to cheating: it's important for you to win the game, so you do what you can to get there (as long as you can get away with it, of course). Still, I don't think your shewed perspective of this matter will mean that you would want to cheat. Obviously, if there is a lot of pressure on people, they can become very selfish, and this is what you emphasize. What you need to realize is only that this is the bad thing to do, a reaction by instinct, and the bigger then man, the better you can set yourself apart from this. I'm aware that you mention that the rules might dictate a re-game, but no one will force you to regame if you don't want to. It all comes down to your decision, which should be based on what is wrong and right, not what your needs are (money, recognition, etc.). Keep in mind, you're screwing the other person over by taking the regame, not just mocking the competitive scene of Starcraft in general and the game you just played. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On January 23 2008 20:57 Hot_Bid wrote: this is mostly because it's not a mainstream sport, if millions of dollars were on the line, your "honor" goes right out the window sure it's easy to concede when the culture and community is still small and close knit and your entire life isn't banking on one game osl finals, yellow's last chance at an OSL title, 5th game final set this happens, you think he'd not take the option at a regame? what if the prize money was a whole year's salary? As for YellOw... On July 08 2005 08:02 FireBlast! wrote: 43) “Yellow’s GG” incident During a match Yellow is a minute away from a certain defeat. Then, suddenly his computer starts to falter and the drop screen comes up. Here, Yellow types GG like a true sportsman and leaves the game admitting defeat. After this he received an ovation from his fans, praising his manner and sportsmanship. Granted, it wasn't game 5 of OSL final. However, whether it was a deciding StarLeague game or even just a PCBang StarLeague game 1, the idea should be the same. There should be no 'oh, we can discard honor at the highest levels because the prize money is greater'. Mainstream sports athletes may accept bad calls (Hand of God, anyone?) but that should not be a reason for StarCraft athletes to do the same. Normative arguments should not apply here; just because other sports do it does not mean StarCraft should do the same. The idea is to do it the best way possible - I think this method was, for all intents and purposes, the best way to resolve the issue (by KeSPA). Remember when Midas disconnected in that game on Desperado awhile back? And he conceded the game? I wish Bisu would have done the same here - then there would be none of this nasty conflict. Midas was MUCH farther away from from losing as well. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
1) The players have no say in the decision -> They were talking to the players about the technical issue and the referees award the game to July. In this scenario, Bisu has no say in the decision one way or another, so he couldn't possibly refuse to concede the game. 2) The players have a say in the decision -> They were talking to the players about technical issues AND asking Bisu whether he wants a rematch or not, and the referees award the game to July. In this scenario, Bisu would have to refuse the rematch in order for July to be awarded the game. Where exactly is there room for Bisu to refuse to concede in this situation? Especially when July was, in fact, declared the winner? Are you going to tell me that Bisu's body language indicates that he wasn't happy? No shit he wasn't happy, he just got fucking murdered. It boggles my fucking mind how some of you manage to reach your conclusions. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
WHAT THE FUCK 3/4 THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN | ||
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
On January 24 2008 08:37 Asjo wrote: champions get paid, and champions get remembered. you can be the most honorable starcraft player there is but you don't have shit on someone with a golden mouse.The logic of your posts about this seems quite flawed. If there is money is a bank, do you rob it? No, because it's not the right thing to do. There is possibility, yes, but just like you do living your whole life, you must make decisions according to your code of ethics. So, if you replay a game you've lost just to get the result you want, you pretty much disregard the whole point of the game. The game - or any sport, in fact - is about the process than happens during play.If all you care for is getting the right result, you might just as well not play against anyone, since obviously you would prefer free wins. You could compare what you're saying to cheating: it's important for you to win the game, so you do what you can to get there (as long as you can get away with it, of course). Still, I don't think your shewed perspective of this matter will mean that you would want to cheat. Obviously, if there is a lot of pressure on people, they can become very selfish, and this is what you emphasize. What you need to realize is only that this is the bad thing to do, a reaction by instinct, and the bigger then man, the better you can set yourself apart from this. I'm aware that you mention that the rules might dictate a re-game, but no one will force you to regame if you don't want to. It all comes down to your decision, which should be based on what is wrong and right, not what your needs are (money, recognition, etc.). Keep in mind, you're screwing the other person over by taking the regame, not just mocking the competitive scene of Starcraft in general and the game you just played. you say that what happens during the game is the most important and results shouldn't matter. that's completely opposite of how it actually works. the more money is on the line, the less sportsmanship becomes a major factor. why do you think some of the most successful players in basketball are the ones who fall down at the slightest touch | ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
There was another incident involving YellOw. I remember a YellOw vs Stork game on Peaks in OSL where Stork opened with a 1 gate robotics build and managed to get a critical shot to massacre most of YellOw's drones before it died, and then YellOw gets 6 mutas maybe and goes for a desparate counter, where he then discs. The game was replayed because the argument was YellOw's mutas may have been able to do damage to comeback despite the 3 nearly finished cannons and goons for defense (and this was before the revolution of muta micro) but it cause a lot of fuss in the bw community. Anyways, I'd like to mention that OGN and MBC CANNOT enforce rules, as they are no longer in charge of the leagues. KeSPA has taken over since the combined PL was formed and they are in charge of making such rulings at OSL and MSL, thus the KeSPA referee at that spot had to watch the replay and decide on a ruling. KeSPA's ruling is that if a player disconnects, the replay is analyzed and unless a clear winner is apparent, they will regame. This was the case in most games, and there were a few games where they ruled a regame because although one player had an advantage, his advantage wasn't large enough to warrant the win (YellOw vs Stork mentioned above, and I remember an AnyTime vs July on 815 where the hatch-cancel bug crashed July's Starcraft, and throwing into regame). But there have been a few cases where the win was awarded, and this is one of them. | ||
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JIJI
Canada291 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
in this case, though, as opposed to the Midas vs Light, Bisu did not even concede for show. If I understand correctly, Midas said something along the lines of 'he was winning anyways', and that game was nowhere near as one-sided as today's. OK, so we'll never really know what the ref talked to the players about. But considering the conversations were longer than 10 seconds, I'd assume Bisu was contesting for a regame and that July was contesting for a win. What else would they be talking and gesticulating about for so long? Any rational knowledgeable observer would know that game was over - even if Bisu had built another gateway he would have lost his tarchives; I don't see ANY way ANY player could come back from that deficit. So I don't think that the KeSPA ruling took much time either. So I conclude (from what I have seen) that Bisu was arguing for a regame. I'm sure most people would have acted the same way. Most progamers would go any length for that StarLeague W. I'm just saying I personally would have preferred a quick concession - you may agree or disagree, but it doesn't truly matter. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
"honor" is all relative, and it just depends on the importance of the moment. it's easy to concede meaningless games on bnet, hard to do so when the stakes are high. to suggest that one player (let's say yellow) would be honorable all the time from one example when the stakes aren't high, and when there are counter examples (L2W's, for one) doesn't prove anything. | ||
Xeofreestyler
Belgium6771 Posts
On January 24 2008 09:03 Live2Win wrote: and I remember an AnyTime vs July on 815 where the hatch-cancel bug crashed July's Starcraft, and throwing into regame). But there have been a few cases where the win was awarded, and this is one of them. you sure that wasnt rainbow vs july? | ||
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
Really wanting to see some Jaedong action. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 24 2008 10:03 Atrioc wrote: Anyone have the link to the Stage 6 VOD's of this OSL, and/or know when these games will be on it? Really wanting to see some Jaedong action. Blind uploads them to stage6, just wait for him to bump his thread I guess | ||
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Byo
Canada207 Posts
And I think that its good that bisu is confident about his late game, but if bisu is totally denied scouting (as in this case) maybe it would be smarter to play it safe by building more defense rather than more resources so that there's a HIGHER chance of it getting to a long game in the first place AND perhaps if it lasts longer you macro ability will come into play and REMOVE any disadvantage you had by making more cannons vs a expansion whore zerg..... | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On January 23 2008 20:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: why would a game with a score of 3-0 go to overtime The 3 goals were made in overtime? oh and I agree completely with diehilde... this would be the analogous situation in a soccer game. I am glad justice prevailed. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 24 2008 10:27 s4life wrote: The 3 goals were made in overtime? oh and I agree completely with diehilde... this would be the analogous situation in a soccer game. I am glad justice prevailed. okay like i said i had it in my head that overtime = next goal wins, because thats how every sport i watch works in that case you can't score 3 goals in overtime, but apparently in soccer its just a block of extra time, which makes 3 goals possible | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On January 24 2008 10:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: okay like i said i had it in my head that overtime = next goal wins, because thats how every sport i watch works in that case you can't score 3 goals in overtime, but apparently in soccer its just a block of extra time, which makes 3 goals possible Just out of curiousity, which sports are those? | ||
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