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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46020 Posts
April 20 2026 12:12 GMT
#381
Ample is doing a decent job of keeping up economically with Flash.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6997 Posts
April 20 2026 12:12 GMT
#382
LMAo goliath drops in 2026
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8899 Posts
April 20 2026 12:12 GMT
#383
ls ample outplaying flash ?!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46020 Posts
April 20 2026 12:13 GMT
#384
Ample's goliath drops are kind of doing something!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
April 20 2026 12:13 GMT
#385
On April 20 2026 21:11 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2026 21:09 ggsimida wrote:
On April 20 2026 21:08 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 21:01 ggsimida wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:59 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:55 ggsimida wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:53 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote:
So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know.

You don't lol.

This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao.


hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look

That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map.



who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing

You just forgot that we're trying to identify the cheese. If I know that Hydras are coming out, do I need to see it?

Pretty sure if you see the Mutas coming out, you won't be able to build cannon in time.


yes? seeing hydras at that timing i all u need to start the cannons? if theres no hydra then u dont and u have corsair? what other special defenses do u need?

You can't `defend 1H or 2H Muta without preemptively building cannons. 1 or 2 corsairs is not enough.


1h muta is easily defensible with 1 cannon at main. 2h is way later and ur corsair scouted by then

Yes, so you just said there: 1 cannon at main. You have to preemptively build it. And don't forget the nat at the back


yes its slow to roll and weak sauce compared to lurker bust. as long as have requisite cannon which u have already partially built anyway if u did not see the hydra timing. so the hidden 2nd probe is all u need giddit?
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2198 Posts
April 20 2026 12:13 GMT
#386
Ample is ahead in supply but Flash seems to have better map position.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46020 Posts
April 20 2026 12:14 GMT
#387
That skirmish in the middle was so lopsided in favor of Flash.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51070 Posts
April 20 2026 12:15 GMT
#388
when you go dropship vs wratihs....
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines716 Posts
April 20 2026 12:15 GMT
#389
On April 20 2026 21:09 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2026 21:08 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 21:01 ggsimida wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:59 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:55 ggsimida wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:53 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote:
So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know.

You don't lol.

This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao.


hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look

That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map.



who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing

You just forgot that we're trying to identify the cheese. If I know that Hydras are coming out, do I need to see it?

Pretty sure if you see the Mutas coming out, you won't be able to build cannon in time.


yes? seeing hydras at that timing i all u need to start the cannons? if theres no hydra then u dont and u have corsair? what other special defenses do u need?

You can't `defend 1H or 2H Muta without preemptively building cannons. 1 or 2 corsairs is not enough.


1h muta is easily defensible with 1 cannon at main. 2h is way later and ur corsair scouted by then


not soma's build. fastest possible muta is 11pool 10gas or 11pool 11 gas, your mutas finish around the time the corsair arrives or a bit before iirc. floating an overlord above the marine/medic so that the protoss can't even click to attack them to scout you is so messed up for protoss, they have to guess 5+ different lethal threats all of which have to be defended in very different ways. i say this as a zerg player
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46020 Posts
April 20 2026 12:15 GMT
#390
Well that's probably game lol. Ample just suicided two full dropships.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4664 Posts
April 20 2026 12:16 GMT
#391
Flash just slowly gaining ground and it feels there's nothing ample can do
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51070 Posts
April 20 2026 12:17 GMT
#392
why would you send a valk on its own against 3 wraiths
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46020 Posts
April 20 2026 12:18 GMT
#393
1-0 Flash now.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia479 Posts
April 20 2026 12:18 GMT
#394
Ample is terrible. If he had dropped the tanks on the high ground he would be flying. He's so bad.
j.r.r.
Kespa1988
Profile Joined January 2022
103 Posts
April 20 2026 12:18 GMT
#395
Flash with his mind in games vs Bisu, just needs to get things done.
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
291 Posts
April 20 2026 12:18 GMT
#396
the fuck was that battle in the mid where Ample had vultures the number flash had tanks and decided to fight?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51070 Posts
April 20 2026 12:18 GMT
#397
bust failed and the noose gets tighter on ample
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5629 Posts
April 20 2026 12:18 GMT
#398
Valkyries don't shoot ground, eh?
FBH #1!
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
April 20 2026 12:18 GMT
#399
On April 20 2026 21:15 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2026 21:09 ggsimida wrote:
On April 20 2026 21:08 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 21:01 ggsimida wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:59 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:55 ggsimida wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:53 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote:
On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote:
So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know.

You don't lol.

This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao.


hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look

That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map.



who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing

You just forgot that we're trying to identify the cheese. If I know that Hydras are coming out, do I need to see it?

Pretty sure if you see the Mutas coming out, you won't be able to build cannon in time.


yes? seeing hydras at that timing i all u need to start the cannons? if theres no hydra then u dont and u have corsair? what other special defenses do u need?

You can't `defend 1H or 2H Muta without preemptively building cannons. 1 or 2 corsairs is not enough.


1h muta is easily defensible with 1 cannon at main. 2h is way later and ur corsair scouted by then


not soma's build. fastest possible muta is 11pool 10gas or 11pool 11 gas, your mutas finish around the time the corsair arrives or a bit before iirc. floating an overlord above the marine/medic so that the protoss can't even click to attack them to scout you is so messed up for protoss, they have to guess 5+ different lethal threats all of which have to be defended in very different ways. i say this as a zerg player


if u dont see the hydra coming down the ramp at x timing, i assume 1h muta . yes first corsair is late but u can hold the first 3-4 muta with cannon and dragoon. 1h muta is slow to build up u can defend if u get wind of it and dont lose 1st corsair
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7577 Posts
April 20 2026 12:19 GMT
#400
Ample looks like he saw a ghost.
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