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On April 20 2026 13:12 RowdierBob wrote: Is this the most hype ro16 group in ASL history? yeah, ample gonna make a name for himself | ||
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Bisu < Ample Flash > JD Ample < Flash Bisu > JD Bisu < Ample | ||
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I think JD and Flash get out. I think Flash and Bisu would be more interesting for Ro8. | ||
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On April 20 2026 14:10 doktordingerdonger wrote: It would be hilarious if Ample makes it out of this group instead of one of the legends lol | ||
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1. Front row won't have enough seats for all the Bisu/JD fan girls. 2. Flash will advance. 3. Ample will crash and burn There should be no way Ample advances from this since Terran isn't a great cheese race. | ||
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Hoping for JD, however it will be super hard, actually he might end up last in this group | ||
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https://play.sooplive.com/kuyol/293374919 On April 20 2026 16:32 Vasoline73 wrote: Is there a way to watch Tastosis live or do they do VODs after the fact only? after the fact only | ||
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On April 20 2026 17:39 Puosu wrote: 910 is already live at the studio: https://play.sooplive.com/kuyol/293374919 after the fact only Thank you sir! Only one hour away... but I think I will sleep :'(. Will watch VODs from SaiyanSC tomorrow... don't have the patience to wait for Tastosis even though I'd prefer to watch their stream. Flash fighting! I also hope Ample plays well tonight. | ||
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On April 20 2026 17:55 Zariel wrote: I was there, Gandalf, 18 years ago watching OSL on a 360p stream the good ole days... | ||
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Feeling a little nostalgic thinking this may be the last time we see flash, jd and bisu together in a starleague ro16. Since there will be heartache tonight for some, may the games be daring and good. Hype! | ||
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On April 20 2026 16:24 Peeano wrote: My predictions: 1. Front row won't have enough seats for all the Bisu/JD fan girls. 2. Flash will advance. 3. Ample will crash and burn There should be no way Ample advances from this since Terran isn't a great cheese race. I didn't see any JD fangirls the last time he played. Just fanboys. | ||
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On April 20 2026 18:27 Kyle8 wrote: GO JD GO GO JD GO GO JD GO GO JD GO GO JD GO GO JD GO GO JD GO GO JD GO +1 Kyle8 ! | ||
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On April 20 2026 17:55 Zariel wrote: I was there, Gandalf, 18 years ago watching OSL on a 360p stream Stream? Bah humbug, back in my day we had to download torrents after the fact. | ||
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On April 20 2026 19:21 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: we're near 35,000 if you add the streams together More like 50000+ games didnt even start. | ||
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Heart says Bisu and Jaedong. | ||
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Bisu vs Ample 321 let's go | ||
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On April 20 2026 19:21 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: we're near 35,000 if you add the streams together With both big (Terror, Sea, Calm) and smaller re-streams (a bunch with 100--1k viewers) included, its at about 70k right now | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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nvm he made a very late assimilator | ||
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anyway bisu should win this | ||
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prosatan
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but he loses 3 shuttles for free..... | ||
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On April 20 2026 19:37 Kespa1988 wrote: Bisu nervous, Ample in really good position. as you say that, ample's army got shredded | ||
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prosatan
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bisu macros well this game | ||
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prosatan
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bisu has obs speed ! very good to not eat all the mines! | ||
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prosatan
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What more do you want ?!? | ||
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AttackZerg
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ugh | ||
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who you guys got | ||
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On April 20 2026 19:48 prosatan wrote: The music is awful !!!! Yeah bring back Blind and Frozen by Beast in Black or some powermetal! | ||
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On April 20 2026 19:50 DiMiaN wrote: Yeah bring back Blind and Frozen by Beast in Black or some powermetal! Agree 100% DiMiaN ! | ||
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On April 20 2026 19:51 prosatan wrote: One last time... flash vs JD ... man ... i am crying There's a small chance that they also replay/rematch in the Final Match of the day in this group | ||
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On April 20 2026 19:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: There's a small chance that they also replay/rematch in the Final Match of the day in this group correct DPB | ||
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On April 20 2026 19:55 prosatan wrote: hope no one chesses Oh man, could you imagine, especially if the game is under 10 minutes? x.x | ||
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but Jd also expands! | ||
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On April 20 2026 19:56 Hot_Bid wrote: alright here we go, coffee, bisu jd flash, korean commentary at 3am just like old times lol Thats the spirit | ||
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[...document.querySelectorAll('#streams_content > div:nth-of-type(2) > .viewers')].map(viewers => Number.parseInt(viewers.textContent, 10)).reduce((total, viewers) => total + viewers, 0) Ran this and it gave 26,917 for streams. Adding 23,821 for main ASL stream, and 757 for English cast, and 317 for Spanish cast. Total is 51,812 viewers. | ||
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Soulforged
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Bisu played that game as a PvZ. The whole circling around while macroing, attacking one base at a time while occasionally harassing another, while slowly growing on the map between each cycle. Scouting a lot early to not get behind in eco. That's his textbook PvZ approach. While it can look impressive in a PvT where he already has an advantage, it's...something that's unlikely to fly against Flash. Mostly because when T army movement is spot on, there is hardly a gap to poke, and one needs to consciously create those gaps in a multi-layered manner. Bisu's attacks lack sophistication. It's literally "I am going to circle around the center and ram a different base while macroing, making it a speed problem, since you have to reposition tanks / lurkers, and I'll do it over and over." That kind of thing just doesn't work in PvT when there was no weakness in the first place. That's assuming he ever gets ahead enough to the point where he is in a position to make an attack, in the first place. The push breaking was better than his usual, but nothing spectacular. If I had to name what differentiates players like Snow or Best from Bisu, is that they actually have an intuitive awareness of how many tanks are at which location, at all times, without necessarily having observer vision. Bisu is just going to attack where he decided to. He may back off after suffering losses, but his target selection is more likely to be "I haven't attacked there in a while", than "what's actually there" (at least, when vision is limited) | ||
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them lings just overtaken that vulture | ||
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4 hatches against mech | ||
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JD are you sure about this | ||
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Flash with 1-1 | ||
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GG | ||
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That is insanely hard to do. Wow. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:11 RowdierBob wrote: No that game was over. Whenever he makes tanks the muta's kill them, and whenever he makes goliaths the hydras kill them. His main was about to run out and the 3e was hanging.I reckon flash gg’d a bit early there. He had big upgrade advantage and could’ve fought that out a bit more. But whatevs. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:00 RowdierBob wrote: I hate to say it this early but flash has a huge build advantage here. Hard to see JD winning.  | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:12 Gorsameth wrote: No that game was over. Whenever he makes tanks the muta's kill them, and whenever he makes goliaths the hydras kill them. His main was about to run out and the 3e was hanging. Most likely. But with the upgrades he had he probably could’ve tried defending that a bit longer, but I won’t pretend I know better than flash. | ||
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And then if Flash and Jaedong both win, we'd see Bisu vs. Flash at the end! All three: FvJ, BvJ, and BvF. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:15 Ransgor wrote: Yeah Flash is going to curbstomp him.poor ample... | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:16 Hot_Bid wrote: ample has the opportunity here to do the Fixed that for you | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:23 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: THIS IS SOMA'S UNSCOUTABLE FAST MUTA BUILD BISU MIGHT BE LOSING THIS FIRST GAME Didn't Bisu just scout the lack of an expansion? | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:24 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: nvm hydra den They can't scout the mutas if you don't build them. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:27 Garnet wrote: Oh it's Bo3? phew. yeah winners/losers/final are Bo3 | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Didn't Bisu just scout the lack of an expansion? there's a backdoor expansion that you can take | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:28 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: there's a backdoor expansion that you can take Ah okay, thanks! | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:29 Peeano wrote: Cannon rush incoming? That would have been hilarious. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote: So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know. you could infer something from how hard the Zerg tries to deny your scouting, starting from when the Overlord was stopped above the neutral marine - but then it'd be guesswork unless you can force your probe in somehow (saccing your 1st zealot for it if need be) | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote: So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know. You don't lol. This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote: You don't lol. This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao. hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:39 Peeano wrote: How much adrenaline is in JD's blood right now? -Yes Upgraded those glands. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote: Jaedong please you can't keep thinking you can outmacro stormdodging, please dodge the storms. Don't worry. Bisu is dry soon. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:48 RowdierBob wrote: 3-0. What group of death? death to everyone else. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:49 Gorsameth wrote: So now Flash stomps over Ample and then beats Bisu. JD and Flash advance at opposite sides of the bracket and meet again in the finals Possibly! As much as I want Bisu to beat Flash, Flash definitely seems stronger. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:49 Gorsameth wrote: So now Flash stomps over Ample and then beats Bisu. JD and Flash advance at opposite sides of the bracket and meet again in the finals that's the plan, we'll see how it plays out | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:49 oxKnu wrote: People are getting excited and all but have to admit, that was pretty bad from both sides. Bisu for dying to that and JD for not finding a quicker way to finish that game. da faq you saying? He secure his 4th and finish the job. Why would you overextend while on 3 bases vs protoss on 2 ? | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:50 Hot_Bid wrote: lets go ample!! jk but imagine lol why not? would make him a lot of fans if he does. | ||
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JD played horribly after getting so ahead, no muta micro, no hydra dodging, but comeback potential in pvz is extremely low. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:50 Kespa1988 wrote: da faq you saying? He secure his 4th and finish the job. Why would you overextend while on 3 bases vs protoss on 2 ? He secured his 4th after two failed attacks on the third. Cmon now, it was pretty pathetic. That being said, that game was lost from the early game where JD (to his credit) played impeccable to how Bisu usually uses his sairs and scouting patterns. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote: hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:53 TMNT wrote: That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map. who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:57 a-game wrote: Bisu vs Flash in like 3 hours after this TvT bo3 About an hour more like it. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:55 ggsimida wrote: who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing You just forgot that we're trying to identify the cheese. If I know that Hydras are coming out, do I need to see it? Pretty sure if you see the Mutas coming out, you won't be able to build cannon in time. | ||
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On April 20 2026 20:59 TMNT wrote: You just forgot that we're trying to identify the cheese. If I know that Hydras are coming out, do I need to see it? Pretty sure if you see the Mutas coming out, you won't be able to build cannon in time. yes? seeing hydras at that timing i all u need to start the cannons? if theres no hydra then u dont and u have corsair? what other special defenses do u need? | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:01 AttackZerg wrote: I just read a comment and realized ... it is a bo3 tvt .... there is no way I can stay up for flash vs bisu. Well unless Ample pulls a rabbit out of a hat it'll only be 2 games lolol | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:01 ggsimida wrote: yes? seeing hydras at that timing i all u need to start the cannons? if theres no hydra then u dont and u have corsair? what other special defenses do u need? You can't `defend 1H or 2H Muta without preemptively building cannons. 1 or 2 corsairs is not enough. Also on this map the nat is not benefited from the first cannon by fast expanding, so you have to build separate ones. | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:08 TMNT wrote: You can't `defend 1H or 2H Muta without preemptively building cannons. 1 or 2 corsairs is not enough. 1h muta is easily defensible with 1 cannon at main. 2h is way later and ur corsair scouted by then | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:09 ggsimida wrote: 1h muta is easily defensible with 1 cannon at main. 2h is way later and ur corsair scouted by then Yes, so you just said there: 1 cannon at main. You have to preemptively build it. And don't forget the nat at the back | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:11 TMNT wrote: Yes, so you just said there: 1 cannon at main. You have to preemptively build it. And don't forget the nat at the back yes its slow to roll and weak sauce compared to lurker bust. as long as have requisite cannon which u have already partially built anyway if u did not see the hydra timing. so the hidden 2nd probe is all u need giddit? | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:09 ggsimida wrote: 1h muta is easily defensible with 1 cannon at main. 2h is way later and ur corsair scouted by then not soma's build. fastest possible muta is 11pool 10gas or 11pool 11 gas, your mutas finish around the time the corsair arrives or a bit before iirc. floating an overlord above the marine/medic so that the protoss can't even click to attack them to scout you is so messed up for protoss, they have to guess 5+ different lethal threats all of which have to be defended in very different ways. i say this as a zerg player | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:15 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: not soma's build. fastest possible muta is 11pool 10gas or 11pool 11 gas, your mutas finish around the time the corsair arrives or a bit before iirc. floating an overlord above the marine/medic so that the protoss can't even click to attack them to scout you is so messed up for protoss, they have to guess 5+ different lethal threats all of which have to be defended in very different ways. i say this as a zerg player if u dont see the hydra coming down the ramp at x timing, i assume 1h muta . yes first corsair is late but u can hold the first 3-4 muta with cannon and dragoon. 1h muta is slow to build up u can defend if u get wind of it and dont lose 1st corsair | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:19 AttackZerg wrote: Ample looks like he saw a ghost. Maybe Flash will make nukes in game two. | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:29 ggsimida wrote: sigh 20 more min Yeah x.x | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:18 ggsimida wrote: if u dont see the hydra coming down the ramp at x timing, i assume 1h muta . yes first corsair is late but u can hold the first 3-4 muta with cannon and dragoon. 1h muta is slow to build up u can defend if u get wind of it and dont lose 1st corsair it's not 3-4 mutas, its 6-8 mutas if you time your larva right. the 2nd hatch will be up fast enough to bank 3 larva before the spire finishes, and if you scout with your sair and make cannons it will be too late because mutas flight time across the map is faster than the cannon's warp-in time edit: it's worse than i remembered, muta are already 1/3 to your base by the time your corsair sees them 1:10:00 on the VOD | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:36 BLinD-RawR wrote: ALL OF THEM!!HOW MANY FREE TANKS ARE OYOU GOING TO OFFER UP AMPLE | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:37 Peeano wrote: Flash looks mad lol he needs to start twitching again | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:58 Peeano wrote: Lmao. Flash really undid the button of his pants for that game? :D In another time I'd be making a joke here but its 2026. | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:56 RowdierBob wrote: Better warm up the bucket. I cannot for the life of me find the image anymore | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: In another time I'd be making a joke here but its 2026. I think Flash unzipped just now for game 2. | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:59 Gippy wrote: Bisu's reavers are nowhere near as good as Snow's. Snow knows how to exactly position them and aim the scarabs so that they don't dud. Snow wouldn't be able to recover from that position. The game was lost the moment he didn't defend the first 5 tank push. | ||
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Edit: And gg. Not even close. | ||
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Poll: Recommend Final Game Set 2? No (12) Yes (5) If you have time (5) 22 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Game Set 2? Poll: Recommend Final Game Set 3? Yes (10) No (3) If you have time (1) 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Game Set 3? | ||
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On April 20 2026 21:59 Gippy wrote: Bisu's reavers are nowhere near as good as Snow's. Snow knows how to exactly position them and aim the scarabs so that they don't dud. Different styles. Bisu plays like an omniscient god while Snow is singularly focused on Reavers. Bisu can't change his style even if he wanted to at this point in his career, and I don't Snow can macro like Bisu. | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:12 Gippy wrote: Blame Bisu for rolling over twice in a row."Greatest ASL group of all time" was a bit anticlimactic. Would've liked to see a single 2-1 Bo3. | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:11 gravity wrote: A little anti-climatic but happy to see Flash continue. Bisu didn't have a good night tonight. Feels like Bisu didn't even train lol Anyways ggs! Ro8 will be the next interesting day! | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:14 Gorsameth wrote: Blame Bisu for rolling over twice in a row. JD games vs flash and bisu were enough to make this PPV. | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:13 TonDan04 wrote: Different styles. Bisu plays like an omniscient god while Snow is singularly focused on Reavers. Bisu can't change his style even if he wanted to at this point in his career, and I don't Snow can macro like Bisu. guess being a chad protoss ape tunnel visioning on his reaver micro is more optimal than playing like an omniscient god xD | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:15 BLinD-RawR wrote: shoutout to flashftw for calling this group perfectly. rigged smh | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:14 RowdierBob wrote: Flash is gonna romp home this ASL. Bisu is one of the better players this season and he made him look very mediocre. Hard to see anyone beating flash in a bo5 or bo7. Snow and Soma have a chance but it’s small. Maybe Light. Jaedong? | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:21 Zografa wrote: I mean if we get JD vs Flash again in the finals will this be the greatest ASL of all time? it will be the most viewed finals for sure. | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:24 gravity wrote: Does anyone know how the matchups for the quarterfinals are determined? its a lucky draw. they'll do it tomorrow after the group. but also people in the same group can't face each other. | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:24 gravity wrote: Does anyone know how the matchups for the quarterfinals are determined?
* A matchup can't be one that was in the Ro16 (so no Jaedong vs. Flash in Ro8) | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:27 BLinD-RawR wrote: its a lucky draw. they'll do it tomorrow after the group. but also people in the same group can't face each other. Right. Hopefully we get a good bracket with few mirrors then. | ||
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GGs WP | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:27 BLinD-RawR wrote: its a lucky draw. they'll do it tomorrow after the group. but also people in the same group can't face each other. it also must be 1st (from group) vs 2nd (from group) i'm pretty sure | ||
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On April 20 2026 22:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: 3z 3t 2p in Ro8. Perfect race distribution despite the most terran-stacked event possible! I mean, it also takes 2 all Terran groups in each round and them killing each other to get to that. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13425 Posts
On April 20 2026 22:14 hasuprotoss wrote: So some lucky group winner gets tulbo, another gets Flash. LUL They’ll fix the groups pretty hardcore I reckon to give JD and flash the best chance of making final. If I had the guess: Top bracket Snow vs 2nd place tomorrow Soma vs Flash Bottom bracket: JD vs Tulgod First place tomorrow vs hero | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5178 Posts
On April 20 2026 22:14 RowdierBob wrote: Flash is gonna romp home this ASL. Bisu is one of the better players this season and he made him look very mediocre. Hard to see anyone beating flash in a bo5 or bo7. Snow and Soma have a chance but it’s small. Maybe Light. Bisu's PvT has always been questionable. | ||
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Zografa
291 Posts
On April 20 2026 22:46 RowdierBob wrote: They’ll fix the groups pretty hardcore I reckon to give JD and flash the best chance of making final. If I had the guess: Top bracket Snow vs 2nd place tomorrow Soma vs Flash Bottom bracket: JD vs Tulgod First place tomorrow vs hero how is soma vs flash fixing lol? if they have to fix it for flash they will just give him another tvt | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5178 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13425 Posts
On April 20 2026 22:51 Zografa wrote: how is soma vs flash fixing lol? if they have to fix it for flash they will just give him another tvt He seems a fair way ahead of Soma from recent show matches I’ve seen. Plus he’s the stronger player so they need an easier bracket for JD. I’m just speculating! | ||
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Zografa
291 Posts
On April 20 2026 23:10 RowdierBob wrote: He seems a fair way ahead of Soma from recent show matches I’ve seen. Plus he’s the stronger player so they need an easier bracket for JD. I’m just speculating! JD just played a really strong game vs Flash today - adapted ingame to flash strategy and crushed, and then won 2-0 vs the best pvz player(arguably), seems he deserved to be seeded and to get the "easier" bracket that as of now consist of tulbo, hero and whoever gets second in the terran group(thinking light gets first there) | ||
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Kespa1988
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Kraekkling
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Kraekkling
713 Posts
but JD pulled a drone to block the ramp early and lings were also out very fast, so protoss has to respect the possibility of sth like this. maybe try to hide another probe on the map and scout for a 3rd at least or sth? what bisu did (1 zeal into nex into core before forge into 1 single cannon) is a blind counter to standard play from Z... this only works based on the assumption that Zerg voluntarily took a big economical hit in the beginning to fake aggression | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4167 Posts
On April 21 2026 00:10 Kraekkling wrote: those 1 hatch zvp builds can't really stopped once they hit and protoss has been playing like its a normal game... but JD pulled a drone to block the ramp early and lings were also out very fast, so protoss has to respect the possibility of sth like this. maybe try to hide another probe on the map and scout for a 3rd at least or sth? what bisu did (1 zeal into nex into core before forge into 1 single cannon) is a blind counter to standard play from Z... this only works based on the assumption that Zerg voluntarily took a big economical hit in the beginning to fake aggression The least he should've done was to start a 2nd cannon simultaneously with the corsair with the intent to cancel if not needed | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4167 Posts
On April 20 2026 22:46 RowdierBob wrote: They’ll fix the groups pretty hardcore I reckon to give JD and flash the best chance of making final. If I had the guess: Top bracket Snow vs 2nd place tomorrow Soma vs Flash Bottom bracket: JD vs Tulgod First place tomorrow vs hero I like the Soma vs Flash idea, but I'd really prefer if Snow is on the other side of the bracket. I might be the only one, but my dream final is Flash vs Snow. Enough with filthy zergs winning every time xD. But if its Flash vs JD I'll definitely won't complain | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4179 Posts
Flash doesn’t lose TvT and TvP is so good for Flash on these maps. Snow normally has a hard time vs Flash even on Protoss favoured maps so it’s really hard seeing any Protoss win a BO5 or 7 on these maps. | ||
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Kraekkling
713 Posts
In the current meta bio is pretty weak ***citation needed | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4179 Posts
On April 21 2026 00:45 Kraekkling wrote: ***citation needed I meant SK terran style play, it has been so rare seeing a Terran beat a Zerg using SK terran once the game goes past 15 minutes. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1260 Posts
On April 21 2026 00:51 Dante08 wrote: I meant SK terran style play, it has been so rare seeing a Terran beat a Zerg using SK terran once the game goes past 15 minutes. Its actually still very common. follow ULT battles or the Chinese spons and you will see it all the time. Largely FlaSh doesnt BIO much anymore because its quite intense on the nerves in his arm. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4179 Posts
On April 20 2026 21:57 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: it caught my atention flash WR in ASL for TVP is way higher compared to his TvZ. Kinda insane. Yeah there was a stat years ago that he hadn’t lost a TvP best of 5 in like 10 years or something. This was just before the season where Afreeca made maps specifically to stop Flash from winning. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10470 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/btbej.jpeg) GET YOUR BISU BUCKETS HERE!!! Jesus feels like 2009-2010 all over again, FlaSh and Jaedong look so damn good right now. If we get a JD vs FlaSh finals I would die a happy man. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10470 Posts
Somehow this has not translated into very good Liquibets for me over the years TT.TT | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12041 Posts
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Kraekkling
713 Posts
after that attack the game started to tilt in his favour | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8066 Posts
I hated Flash's build vs JD. Double armory that fast seems ridiculous... I loved Flash's 14cc in the last game against Bisu. Talk about winning the mind games. JD looks fierce! He may be the favorite to win this ASL. Sorry Bisu fans | ||
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Duckvillelol
Australia1259 Posts
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QRCode
United States62 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4179 Posts
On April 21 2026 06:17 Kraekkling wrote: just re-watched flash vs jd... crazy how jd knew to attack exactly 10 seconds before siege finished at 10:20 after that attack the game started to tilt in his favour Yeah that was some crazy game sense, if he attacked 1 min later Flash would have held and it would been 3 base Terran on 2-2 | ||
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Talaris
Switzerland764 Posts
On April 21 2026 02:19 FlaShFTW wrote: GET YOUR BISU BUCKETS HERE!!! Jesus feels like 2009-2010 all over again, FlaSh and Jaedong look so damn good right now. If we get a JD vs FlaSh finals I would die a happy man. I wont mind a FvJ semi-finals either - maybe anticlimactic to have that semi have more viewers than the next TvT or ZbZ Final, but I would not mind them "just battling it out in semis" at all. | ||
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felleN
Australia95 Posts
On April 21 2026 02:19 FlaShFTW wrote: GET YOUR BISU BUCKETS HERE!!! Jesus feels like 2009-2010 all over again, FlaSh and Jaedong look so damn good right now. If we get a JD vs FlaSh finals I would die a happy man. Feels like time travelling back to the golden days . With the current state of both players I think there is a chance. | ||
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polgas
Canada1783 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States8066 Posts
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SCRVN
227 Posts
On April 21 2026 12:53 Vasoline73 wrote: Rewatching Flash v Bisu game 1... why doesn't Bisu have a unit or two in front of Flash's natural to spot the move out timing? Just seems like a mistake to see it so late like he did in game. I'm sure there's a reason... if you are B rank player you will know why. I am B rank player, I never do that, I just try to do my best and I guess my opponents base on time of game. Bisu's decision, micro, macro yesterday was real B rank player. | ||
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Bonyth
Poland605 Posts
On April 21 2026 12:53 Vasoline73 wrote: Rewatching Flash v Bisu game 1... why doesn't Bisu have a unit or two in front of Flash's natural to spot the move out timing? Just seems like a mistake to see it so late like he did in game. I'm sure there's a reason... because map can be mined by vultures at that stage of the game. So after chasing the 1st vulture and after mine upgrade finishes, protoss waits for an obs. Even if in this specific game there weren't any mines, there could have been. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1725 Posts
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Zografa
291 Posts
and btw there is some behind the stages videos from piano(?) i think that are on youtube - also interesting gogo jinjin you can do it | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19366 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2553 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8094 Posts
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byj
525 Posts
He looks so cool when locked in  | ||
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Tanzklaue
Germany1420 Posts
Flash definitely isn't autolocked for the victory as long as soma, Snow and JD stay sharp! Disappointing showing from Bisu though, especially vs Flash he looked way under par. He would have failed to move on to the round of 8 versus players worse than Flash and JD too with this level of play. Ample was selling himself pretty well on the other habd, but in the end you just don't beat Flash in TvT. | ||
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Tanzklaue
Germany1420 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines716 Posts
On April 20 2026 20:23 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: THIS IS SOMA'S UNSCOUTABLE FAST MUTA BUILD BISU MIGHT BE LOSING THIS FIRST GAME soulkey and soma also thought the same thing xD but in winner's interview jaedong said he saw the build from queen, i'm guessing its this game: https://www.youtube.com/live/QlOCDP29ps8?si=R6P1o0y3Qym1rHLA&t=1909 | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2013 Posts
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TMNT
3228 Posts
On April 23 2026 06:55 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: soulkey and soma also thought the same thing xD https://youtu.be/gnRgC33s7YA?si=AR6tgFqphmCwFDsE&t=977 but in winner's interview jaedong said he saw the build from queen, i'm guessing its this game: https://www.youtube.com/live/QlOCDP29ps8?si=R6P1o0y3Qym1rHLA&t=1909 So yeah, this basically confirms it, that there's no principle for Protoss to defend this kind of cheese on this map, unless we're talking about blind guessing + getting lucky, or preemptively build cannons at all locations to cover all scenarios. In the week before this Ro16, Bisu both died to 1H Muta from Soma and 1H Lurker from Queen. You can also see in the game vs Queen he preemptively built 2 cannons in the main, but guessed wrong and died. You'd think the best human being on earth at PvZ (plus his colleagues) would be able to think of a way to methodically stop it rather than "just send out a second probe" - something a noob compared to them would be able to come up with. Also it's quite clear from the replay that the first Overlord watches everything that comes out of Protoss ramp, so it's not like a second probe can secretly go out on the map (unless we're talking about sending it out in the first 2 mins lol). | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines716 Posts
On April 23 2026 08:14 TMNT wrote: So yeah, this basically confirms it, that there's no principle for Protoss to defend this kind of cheese on this map, unless we're talking about blind guessing + getting lucky, or preemptively build cannons at all locations to cover all scenarios. In the week before this Ro16, Bisu both died to 1H Muta from Soma and 1H Lurker from Queen. You can also see in the game vs Queen he preemptively built 2 cannons in the main, but guessed wrong and died. You'd think the best human being on earth at PvZ (plus his colleagues) would be able to think of a way to methodically stop it rather than "just send out a second probe" - something a noob compared to them would be able to come up with. Also it's quite clear from the replay that the first Overlord watches everything that comes out of Protoss ramp, so it's not like a second probe can secretly go out on the map (unless we're talking about sending it out in the first 2 mins lol). yeah this map is messed up for PvZ lol. if Zerg plays standard its protoss favored, but if Zerg blocks ramp with overlord and flips coins this map becomes heavily zerg favored. IMO protoss needs to flip coins on this map in response, 1base cheese builds, proxy 2gate at 12 or 6 avoiding overlord path, ect | ||
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goody153
44280 Posts
It was actually only the last game that was crap play from Bisu but the rest of the games even one-sided was like flawless gameplay. Jaedong actually beating Flash very convincingly. Flash beating Ample and Bisu was expected. On April 23 2026 04:32 byj wrote: Great to see JD advance in such a convincing fashion. Felt like a proper Zerg swarm overrunning his opponents He looks so cool when locked in Oh yeah he looked so locked in but i'm nervous cause jaedong always has that group stages godtier look then fumble on the playoffs. Flash also going " I hope jaedong makes to the finals cause I wanna play him again" oh man if it happens. Flash is also going championship mindset going "I wanna meet the contenders in the playoffs" which is what we need more. There has been alot of not wanting to play the championship players like Flash and JD seems to be doing again now | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada949 Posts
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Atrioc
United States1866 Posts
LETS GO JAEDONG !!!!!!! felt like an insane 2008 flashback seeing his form like that against Flash and Bisu | ||
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prosatan
Romania8899 Posts
On April 23 2026 15:40 Atrioc wrote: first post in 7 years... LETS GO JAEDONG !!!!!!! felt like an insane 2008 flashback seeing his form like that against Flash and Bisu | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3142 Posts
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doktordingerdonger
117 Posts
On April 23 2026 06:16 Tanzklaue wrote: i also don't get the extreme pessimism here, like did people not watch flash vs jd and just look at group results and then assume jd cheesed flash when they say that flash obviously will be uncontested? More like Flash cheesed JD like x3 in a single game with 14cc, quick 2-2 and third cc, while JD window of win was like 10 seconds that he saw perfectly without even scouting for it. Due to the fog of war, it is harder to react than to act in this game. If Flash would have won, I would not be at all impressed by his win, while JD dismantled Flash tesagi BS perfectly there. | ||
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Sorusaba
308 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11086 Posts
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Simplistik
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Soulforged
Latvia970 Posts
I doubt that the Zergs are running all those coinflips without a good reason. While it is a bit more difficult to do limited information strategies on a regular map, it could still be done. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4318 Posts
Flash doing Flash things and Bisu got absolutely tilted in the final games....what was that shuttle doing??? | ||
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Artas1984
149 Posts
On April 21 2026 19:28 BisuDagger wrote: My buckets full… My bucket was full with Mini, no space for Bisu left. What's a more humiliating loss? Mini losing to Ssak and not even getting into ASL or Bisu loosing to someone who would have never (and has not) lost to Bisu in a best of 7 over the last 10 years? What happened in this group is better for the future of the tournament. If Flash wins this ASL, it will promote StarCraft as a competitive game even further (journalists will take notice of Flash's 5 star ASL run, publications will be made about Flash and StarCraft in general, new gaming blood will be drawn, StarCraft 2 players and fans will lament that they will never have an icon like Flash and everyone will be happy. If Soma, Snow or Light win this ASL - nothing will happen, no one outside SCBW knows Soma/Snow/Light, where as almost every competitive RTS gamer knows who Flash and Jeadong are! Personally hoping JD will win this ASL! | ||
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TMNT
3228 Posts
On April 24 2026 15:39 Soulforged wrote: I wouldn't call Jane Doe quirky in a way that is bad for P. I doubt that the Zergs are running all those coinflips without a good reason. While it is a bit more difficult to do limited information strategies on a regular map, it could still be done. Zergs do those builds because playing standard on Jane Doe favors Protoss. That's how Tulbo beat Larva in Ro24. This map shows how much advantage P can gain in this matchup from these things: - not having to build the first cannon early on (you only build it after stargate) - having almost the fastest corsair possible - not having to worry about ling or hydra bust (and therefore not having to build too many cannons in general) - easy 3rd gas So obviously Zergs decide that they don't have to fight an uphill battle when they can deal a killing blow early on. And funnily they're able to do that due to a feature of the map that is probably intended to help Terran from getting gas stolen. | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia970 Posts
I was just mentioning that Z can play that type of style on basically any map. If they want to never let a probe inside their main, they can do that, be it overlord or drone or whatever. That already brings up the scenarios of 5 pool vs 3 hatch before pool vs proxy hatch for lings, and other crap, never mind the tech type and timing. Sure, some specifics change due to the backdoor natural, but the end result is the same. TLDR: we still want more maps like Jane Doe for PvZ's sake. 2 player maps are good for that matchup. Backdoor naturals are good for that matchup. Ten or more mineral patch mains are good for that matchup. 3rd gas, yeah. Been saying all that forever. Doesn't have to be all those features, but those are nice features, and status quo of having none of them is crap. A few coinflips that landed on Z side don't change it. I know you get it, I brought it up because people started to blame the map. | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines716 Posts
On April 24 2026 21:18 Soulforged wrote: That pretty much was my point, yeah. I was just mentioning that Z can play that type of style on basically any map. If they want to never let a probe inside their main, they can do that, be it overlord or drone or whatever. That already brings up the scenarios of 5 pool vs 3 hatch before pool vs proxy hatch for lings, and other crap, never mind the tech type and timing. Sure, some specifics change due to the backdoor natural, but the end result is the same. TLDR: we still want more maps like Jane Doe for PvZ's sake. 2 player maps are good for that matchup. Backdoor naturals are good for that matchup. Ten or more mineral patch mains are good for that matchup. 3rd gas, yeah. Been saying all that forever. Doesn't have to be all those features, but those are nice features, and status quo of having none of them is crap. A few coinflips that landed on Z side don't change it. I know you get it, I brought it up because people started to blame the map. there are maps where Z can't block P from scouting though. example is apocalypse where the choke between nat/main is too big to be blocked with a single worker | ||
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TMNT
3228 Posts
On April 24 2026 21:18 Soulforged wrote: That pretty much was my point, yeah. I was just mentioning that Z can play that type of style on basically any map. If they want to never let a probe inside their main, they can do that, be it overlord or drone or whatever. That already brings up the scenarios of 5 pool vs 3 hatch before pool vs proxy hatch for lings, and other crap, never mind the tech type and timing. Sure, some specifics change due to the backdoor natural, but the end result is the same. Actually, no they can't. On a normal map, blocking the ramp at all cost AND not coming down to make a Hatch at the natural confirm to Protoss that you're going 1 Hatch something. On this map, doing the same things can also mean you're making a Hatch at your backdoor and playing a normal game. And that is not even counting on that it's way easier to block the probe on this map. Also on a normal map, Protoss expand at their front natural, so they have to build cannon(s) early anyway. And cannons at the entrance help defend the natural at the same time. On this map, building cannon(s) too early is an unnecessary task, and there are also 3 locations to protect, not 2. The fact that you never see one Hatch play on normal maps confirms the significant difference with this map. | ||
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Sweden5600 Posts
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