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On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote:
So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know. You don't lol. This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao. hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look
That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map.
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I think the only realistic chance for Bisu to even that game out after getting that far behind on build order alone was to use those first 2 DTs to morph a DA and maelstrom the muta clump and protect his HTs that way (instead of trying to snipe drones, or the 4th etc.).
But then again, easy to be clever from the sidelines.
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On April 20 2026 20:53 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote:On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote:
So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know. You don't lol. This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao. hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map.
who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing
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Haven't been so excited since effort vs flash.
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are these google play points codes only for the kr play store?
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Bisu vs Flash in like 3 hours after this TvT bo3 
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I really wanted Bisu to advance and not meet Flash in a Bo3 but instead get a JD vs Flash re-run (provided he beats Ample but I don't doubt that), but either way, today is hype
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Netherlands5452 Posts
On April 20 2026 20:57 a-game wrote:Bisu vs Flash in like 3 hours after this TvT bo3
About an hour more like it.
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On April 20 2026 20:55 ggsimida wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2026 20:53 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote:On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote:
So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know. You don't lol. This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao. hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map. who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing
You just forgot that we're trying to identify the cheese. If I know that Hydras are coming out, do I need to see it?
Pretty sure if you see the Mutas coming out, you won't be able to build cannon in time.
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On April 20 2026 20:59 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2026 20:55 ggsimida wrote:On April 20 2026 20:53 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote:On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote:
So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know. You don't lol. This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao. hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map. who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing You just forgot that we're trying to identify the cheese. If I know that Hydras are coming out, do I need to see it? Pretty sure if you see the Mutas coming out, you won't be able to build cannon in time.
yes? seeing hydras at that timing i all u need to start the cannons? if theres no hydra then u dont and u have corsair? what other special defenses do u need?
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I just read a comment and realized ... it is a bo3 tvt .... there is no way I can stay up for flash vs bisu.
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On April 20 2026 21:01 AttackZerg wrote:
I just read a comment and realized ... it is a bo3 tvt .... there is no way I can stay up for flash vs bisu.
Well unless Ample pulls a rabbit out of a hat it'll only be 2 games lolol
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man, Ample is gonna feel the wrath of god now ;/
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Flash with the CC first heh
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On April 20 2026 21:01 ggsimida wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2026 20:59 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:55 ggsimida wrote:On April 20 2026 20:53 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote:On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote:
So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know. You don't lol. This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao. hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map. who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing You just forgot that we're trying to identify the cheese. If I know that Hydras are coming out, do I need to see it? Pretty sure if you see the Mutas coming out, you won't be able to build cannon in time. yes? seeing hydras at that timing i all u need to start the cannons? if theres no hydra then u dont and u have corsair? what other special defenses do u need?
You can't `defend 1H or 2H Muta without preemptively building cannons. 1 or 2 corsairs is not enough.
Also on this map the nat is not benefited from the first cannon by fast expanding, so you have to build separate ones.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50860 Posts
I got what I wanted out of this group, everything else is gravy.
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On April 20 2026 21:08 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2026 21:01 ggsimida wrote:On April 20 2026 20:59 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:55 ggsimida wrote:On April 20 2026 20:53 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote:On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote:
So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know. You don't lol. This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao. hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map. who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing You just forgot that we're trying to identify the cheese. If I know that Hydras are coming out, do I need to see it? Pretty sure if you see the Mutas coming out, you won't be able to build cannon in time. yes? seeing hydras at that timing i all u need to start the cannons? if theres no hydra then u dont and u have corsair? what other special defenses do u need? You can't `defend 1H or 2H Muta without preemptively building cannons. 1 or 2 corsairs is not enough.
1h muta is easily defensible with 1 cannon at main. 2h is way later and ur corsair scouted by then
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On April 20 2026 21:09 ggsimida wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2026 21:08 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 21:01 ggsimida wrote:On April 20 2026 20:59 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:55 ggsimida wrote:On April 20 2026 20:53 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:38 razorsuKe wrote:On April 20 2026 20:34 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2026 20:30 Rainalcar wrote:
So if you're P, how do you defend this? You obviously can't scout it and Z has a back expansion as far as you know. You don't lol. This map is designed to be P favored in a standard PvZ. But if Z goes for one of their cheese options, there's no way to cover everything. To completely be safe against all scenarios, you have to build 6 cannons, two at the entrance, two at the main, two at the nat lmao. hide a second probe out on the map, when you see the main cluster of lings at your ramp, send that probe in to have a look That's assuming Zerg leaves the ramp unguarded. If sending a hidden probe to Zerg main is all it takes, 3 Hatch Hydra would never be that powerful. Zerg would protect the ramp with their life when they pull out the cheese on this map. who says u have to go in? u just have to see the hydras coming out at x timing You just forgot that we're trying to identify the cheese. If I know that Hydras are coming out, do I need to see it? Pretty sure if you see the Mutas coming out, you won't be able to build cannon in time. yes? seeing hydras at that timing i all u need to start the cannons? if theres no hydra then u dont and u have corsair? what other special defenses do u need? You can't `defend 1H or 2H Muta without preemptively building cannons. 1 or 2 corsairs is not enough. 1h muta is easily defensible with 1 cannon at main. 2h is way later and ur corsair scouted by then
Yes, so you just said there: 1 cannon at main. You have to preemptively build it. And don't forget the nat at the back
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