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Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway746 Posts
18 hours ago
#661
Yeah but snow and volcano tiles still look like shit.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3014 Posts
17 hours ago
#662
On November 01 2025 21:46 Kanzzer wrote:
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On November 01 2025 02:46 TMNT wrote:
On November 01 2025 01:54 Kanzzer wrote:
On November 01 2025 00:41 TMNT wrote:

For other matchups: for example, PvZ on Knockout seems okay (51%) but PvT seems bad (41%)


Jesus, does KnockOut favor T these days? That PvT winrate really surprises me. It'd be tragic if it eventually becomes a T map like its predecessor.

Yes. The trench helps P from Hydra bust, but it also encourages T for Rax expand. On top of that, you couldn't come up with anything better for Terran to defend than the small triangle area outside that trench, and it's connected to a 3rd base on high ground, that tanks from your main can also shoot to. Terrans get their 3rd base up within 10 mins on this map. It's even easier than Vermeer, which was the map intended to be what Radeon is now, but eventually abandoned because Terran is too op on it. And the 4th and 5th bases on Knockout are not far away either.



Thanks for the knowledge, TMNT. It is very unfortunate.

Do you think Radeon is trending into a T map too?

So far it's doing okay. The win rate for P on Radeon is similar to what it is on Polypoid, with a reverse from PvZ to PvT:
- Polypoid: 46.9% PvZ - 48.2% PvT
- Radeon: 48.6% PvZ - 46.6% PvT
But what it seems to fix is TvZ, from 56.4% on Polypoid to 52.6% for Radeon.

Once again it agrees to the notion that concept maps are all Terran maps (positive win rate in both matchups) but at least in this case it reduces that advantage to around 52-53% (imo anything from 55% is unacceptable)/
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
533 Posts
17 hours ago
#663
On November 01 2025 22:20 Timebon3s wrote:
Yeah but snow and volcano tiles still look like shit.


so historically the main problem of ash world was that the ramps looked like shit

but with remastered we got these new sick ass stair ramps, which haven't been used in any map so far

[image loading]
(*^^)(^*)
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
533 Posts
16 hours ago
#664
also true for ice world, this looks pretty sick imo

[image loading]
(*^^)(^*)
Kanzzer
Profile Joined October 2025
10 Posts
14 hours ago
#665
On November 01 2025 23:02 TMNT wrote:
So far it's doing okay. The win rate for P on Radeon is similar to what it is on Polypoid, with a reverse from PvZ to PvT:
- Polypoid: 46.9% PvZ - 48.2% PvT
- Radeon: 48.6% PvZ - 46.6% PvT
But what it seems to fix is TvZ, from 56.4% on Polypoid to 52.6% for Radeon.

Once again it agrees to the notion that concept maps are all Terran maps (positive win rate in both matchups) but at least in this case it reduces that advantage to around 52-53% (imo anything from 55% is unacceptable)/

A 4p map where TvP winrate is higher than TvZ is interesting. The games Terran played in each matchup are almost identical too (1,882 games vs Zerg and 1,871 games vs Protoss).

I wonder what the PvT challenges are on Radeon.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10226 Posts
13 hours ago
#666
On November 01 2025 23:23 Kraekkling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2025 22:20 Timebon3s wrote:
Yeah but snow and volcano tiles still look like shit.


so historically the main problem of ash world was that the ramps looked like shit

but with remastered we got these new sick ass stair ramps, which haven't been used in any map so far

[image loading]

The other problem is seeing burrowed Lurkers.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1087 Posts
8 hours ago
#667
On November 02 2025 02:35 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2025 23:23 Kraekkling wrote:
On November 01 2025 22:20 Timebon3s wrote:
Yeah but snow and volcano tiles still look like shit.


so historically the main problem of ash world was that the ramps looked like shit

but with remastered we got these new sick ass stair ramps, which haven't been used in any map so far

[image loading]

The other problem is seeing burrowed Lurkers.


Observers... Or (p.) canons
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10226 Posts
6 hours ago
#668
On November 02 2025 08:26 TornadoSteve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2025 02:35 Jealous wrote:
On November 01 2025 23:23 Kraekkling wrote:
On November 01 2025 22:20 Timebon3s wrote:
Yeah but snow and volcano tiles still look like shit.


so historically the main problem of ash world was that the ramps looked like shit

but with remastered we got these new sick ass stair ramps, which haven't been used in any map so far

[image loading]

The other problem is seeing burrowed Lurkers.


Observers... Or (p.) canons

Bruh
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
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