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Miragee
8552 Posts
Those drawings for the Ro8 must have been close to the worst possible outcome for the protoss players, except for Bisu maybe. My predictions are: Barracks<Mini Snow<Effort Soma>Best Bisu>Larva But each match could go either way imho because Mini is so volatile and Bisu tends to suck vs tricky plays... | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands953 Posts
On September 17 2025 23:44 kidleaderr wrote: light has always been one of the most overrated terrans Light seems to need the comfort of his home set-up. With his home set-up and proper activity he is champion material. Offline he seems to fumble but Dont know the exact reason why. Does he overthink? Get nervous? does he lose his mental edge? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21798 Posts
On September 17 2025 23:44 kidleaderr wrote: This wasn't being overrated. He just completely lost the will to live in that final set.light has always been one of the most overrated terrans kinda sad really. | ||
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TMNT
2836 Posts
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Highgamer
1418 Posts
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iopq
United States952 Posts
On September 16 2025 23:27 M2 wrote: What should we talk about it? Its the only all in strat in the whole game which does not hurt the aggressor when it does not work. What are you talking about? Going all-in muta vs. Terran usually doesn't hurt the Zerg at all, when Terran recovers the Zerg just shrugs and makes a hydra den and queen's nest. The same way a Protoss is FORCED into a bunch of cannons, the Terran is FORCED into a bunch of turrets even if the Zerg does nothing special with muta. By the same token, just throwing zealots at the Zerg usually forces so many lings it pays for itself, even if you kill no drones. Just the lost mining time running them away from the third or natural and zergling losses from having to kill them behind minerals is already worth it. This whole game is about pressuring your opponent while getting ahead behind it. Nobody plays NR 10 anymore | ||
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ahwala
Germany393 Posts
I had soma locked in for the ro8, disappointed by Light's performance, but man, Larva made this day a fucking treat. Great stuff. Looking forward to every single ro8 match; unpredictable for me. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
3008 Posts
On September 17 2025 22:03 Kraekkling wrote: soma is about to enter his bonjwa phase Yea i want soma to win. I love the way his hand shakes after every game. And his overbitie gamerface. Can't not root for him. Just a 16/10 all around. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11058 Posts
On September 18 2025 00:08 Miragee wrote: I cannot believe Larva won 2-0 over Light. Dang. Those drawings for the Ro8 must have been close to the worst possible outcome for the protoss players, except for Bisu maybe. My predictions are: Barracks<Mini Snow<Effort Soma>Best Bisu>Larva But each match could go either way imho because Mini is so volatile and Bisu tends to suck vs tricky plays... I think that's put well. Snow could have lucked into a PvP or PvT but got a PvZ instead. Still he looked damn impressive last season so it has some promise. Mini who knows but could credible collapse to anyone on his day. I still think his PvZ is terrifying. Best isn't that great. Never has been that great. Bisu surprised me with how strong he was. Very curious if that continues. Going Barracks < Mini {Mini is too much though I think decent chance of an upset} Snow > Effort {Heart for my boy. Effort might not be back to his old level yet} Soma > Best {Soma is so scary.} Bisu < Larva {Old man Larva just too much in PvZ} | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4857 Posts
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TMNT
2836 Posts
On September 18 2025 14:40 iopq wrote: What are you talking about? Going all-in muta vs. Terran usually doesn't hurt the Zerg at all, when Terran recovers the Zerg just shrugs and makes a hydra den and queen's nest. The same way a Protoss is FORCED into a bunch of cannons, the Terran is FORCED into a bunch of turrets even if the Zerg does nothing special with muta. By the same token, just throwing zealots at the Zerg usually forces so many lings it pays for itself, even if you kill no drones. Just the lost mining time running them away from the third or natural and zergling losses from having to kill them behind minerals is already worth it. This whole game is about pressuring your opponent while getting ahead behind it. Nobody plays NR 10 anymore What are you talking about actually? I feel like this is a super oversimplification of the game which is either not true or only applicable to low rank games. How can going all in with Mutas vs Terran doesn't hurt the Zerg at all. That's a shocking statement. If you don't trade Mutas with MM/Turrets efficiently, one counter push and they stim past your Sunkens. If you do nothing with your Mutas, they lose value significantly once Irradiate is out. The same dynamics can't be applied in 3H Hydra vs Protoss. Cannons are twice more expensive than Turrets. Terran doesn't have to delay Barracks or lose +1 upgrade for Turrets. If you do nothing with Hydras, they are still the mainstay of your army later. Throwing Zealots at Zerg doesn't usually pay for itself. It's all about whether you can trade efficiently or not, i.e. if you can sneak a Zealot out undetected, or have better positioning/micro. Zergs at the top level don't overbuild Lings for the sake of it like a D ranker. You can find many games at pro level where Protoss is in deep shit later on if their first Zealots get caught without trading well. In a way the Zealots vs Lings dynamics in early game PvZ is similar to the Mutas vs MM/Turrets dynamics in ZvT, i.e. you get the better trade, hence getting ahead, by having better skills than your opponent. You talked as if just by producing some Zealots/Mutas and send them across the map without achieving anything doesn't hurt the Protoss/Zerg. | ||
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Artas1984
131 Posts
Predicted ASL20 finals - footclap chad gamer (Snow) vs. footstar chad gamer (Larva)! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4208 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1070 Posts
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mtcn77
Turkey439 Posts
On September 18 2025 19:43 TMNT wrote: What are you talking about actually? I feel like this is a super oversimplification of the game which is either not true or only applicable to low rank games. How can going all in with Mutas vs Terran doesn't hurt the Zerg at all. That's a shocking statement. If you don't trade Mutas with MM/Turrets efficiently, one counter push and they stim past your Sunkens. If you do nothing with your Mutas, they lose value significantly once Irradiate is out. The same dynamics can't be applied in 3H Hydra vs Protoss. Cannons are twice more expensive than Turrets. Terran doesn't have to delay Barracks or lose +1 upgrade for Turrets. If you do nothing with Hydras, they are still the mainstay of your army later. Throwing Zealots at Zerg doesn't usually pay for itself. It's all about whether you can trade efficiently or not, i.e. if you can sneak a Zealot out undetected, or have better positioning/micro. Zergs at the top level don't overbuild Lings for the sake of it like a D ranker. You can find many games at pro level where Protoss is in deep shit later on if their first Zealots get caught without trading well. In a way the Zealots vs Lings dynamics in early game PvZ is similar to the Mutas vs MM/Turrets dynamics in ZvT, i.e. you get the better trade, hence getting ahead, by having better skills than your opponent. You talked as if just by producing some Zealots/Mutas and send them across the map without achieving anything doesn't hurt the Protoss/Zerg. You have a huge bias against protoss early game. I have said again and again, those players who don't follow on your lead are the best players of this generation: Mini, Bisu and now Best. I hope you correct your statements. Besides, protoss early game is as dependent on good preparation as timing builds that Larva uses. There is literally ZERO difference at the amount of intuition protoss players have to use, yet Larva is the only player through sheer memorisation and judgement that make the same incredible feats of game preparation and everybody celebrates it since he is zerg. Best almost won last season through zealots alone. Let protoss thrive for God's sake. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey439 Posts
On September 19 2025 00:29 Artas1984 wrote: Love how Larva proved every caster wrong about his round of 8 outcome! LARVA! Lim Hong Gyu! NR. 1 TOP ZERG - that is how he used to call himself before winning his ASL! Predicted ASL20 finals - footclap chad gamer (Snow) vs. footstar chad gamer (Larva)! I don't have a good read on terran players and most protoss players. Fortunately, terrans have proved me right and totally lost course lately; however Snow is one player that totally skips my radar. How can he play so slow yet so steady? Is he the protoss Boxer? I cannot claim he does wrong since he omits much dragoon pressure, since dragoons are rarely the right unit, however he never had that star sense for me. Much like Soulkey, however Soulkey had a july side, too. Snow is just bland except for his recent carrier play. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13980 Posts
On September 19 2025 05:58 mtcn77 wrote: I don't have a good read on terran players and most protoss players. Fortunately, terrans have proved me right and totally lost course lately; however Snow is one player that totally skips my radar. How can he play so slow yet so steady? Is he the protoss Boxer? I cannot claim he does wrong since he omits much dragoon pressure, since dragoons are rarely the right unit, however he never had that star sense for me. Much like Soulkey, however Soulkey had a july side, too. Snow is just bland except for his recent carrier play. Calling the guy famous for 20 kill reavers bland is certainly a take. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey439 Posts
On September 19 2025 10:36 Cricketer12 wrote: Calling the guy famous for 20 kill reavers bland is certainly a take. Boxer did as much dropship play as Snow did in his career. You don't see people calling him better than flash do you? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13980 Posts
On September 19 2025 10:53 mtcn77 wrote: Boxer did as much dropship play as Snow did in his career. You don't see people calling him better than flash do you? You're changing the goalpost. I commented on you calling him bland. Blandness has no correlation to skill level. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey439 Posts
On September 19 2025 11:12 Cricketer12 wrote: You're changing the goalpost. I commented on you calling him bland. Blandness has no correlation to skill level. I'm going to change the goalpost again if I can remember which game had 22 vs 9 reavers, or the most reavers in a game. It was a battlereports. Reavers are a means to an end. They don't mean any more than Teolbo's loss to Light last season. Reavers lose 3+ probes mining time each. The game I couldn't recall ended with one or both sides running out of minerals. Wish I recalled... | ||
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