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konadora
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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RowdierBob
Australia13506 Posts
That was poor strategy from Sharp though. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
On August 18 2025 20:51 BLinD-RawR wrote: screaming sea already paying in spades I see. finally watching thanks for covering for me Toshinou-Kyouko This is why, in any RTS, pros must be forced to play on weird maps that change the shape of the game. Also why BW is uniquely placed in how heavily maps play a role. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On August 18 2025 20:56 RogerChillingworth wrote: This is why, in any RTS, pros must be forced to play on weird maps that change the shape of the game. Also why BW is uniquely placed in how heavily maps play a role. agreed. really hate how majority of the pro players have the biggest say in what maps get played. and really hated how death valley was banned to hell in the last ASL too. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines679 Posts
On August 18 2025 20:51 BLinD-RawR wrote: screaming sea already paying in spades I see. finally watching thanks for covering for me Toshinou-Kyouko ![[image loading]](https://64.media.tumblr.com/f741f70acf2624c5b0a341ecb502b2b7/tumblr_o1q9nuL1KF1udar50o1_500.gifv) | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines679 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On August 18 2025 20:59 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: btw we have a new interviewer? looks cute yes new lady | ||
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prosatan
Romania9305 Posts
On August 18 2025 20:56 RogerChillingworth wrote: This is why, in any RTS, pros must be forced to play on weird maps that change the shape of the game. Also why BW is uniquely placed in how heavily maps play a role. agree 100% Roger ! | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines679 Posts
hope she's proud of her dad | ||
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TMNT
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On August 18 2025 20:57 konadora wrote: agreed. really hate how majority of the pro players have the biggest say in what maps get played. and really hated how death valley was banned to hell in the last ASL too. You also have to take into account balance issues. It's fun for viewers to watch one or two games where you can see unique strategies or units that have never been used, but it's not fair for players if such maps have 75/25 win ratio. If you keep that for long terms, then games on such maps will actually end up with one race cheesing the other to get the game end asap. | ||
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TMNT
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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
On August 18 2025 21:04 TMNT wrote: You also have to take into account balance issues. It's fun for viewers to watch one or two games where you can see unique strategies or units that have never been used, but it's not fair for players if such maps have 75/25 win ratio. If you keep that for long terms, then games on such maps will actually end up with one race cheesing the other to get the game end asap. That doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Multiple editions of a map can be made. Even deeper though, the issue with pros having so much say in these things is that they're often not there to have fun. Or rather, it doesn't seem like the highest priority. Historically, it's all about predictability and comfort zones. What feels good for a pro is ultimately pretty bad for casuals and spectators, or essentially people there to enjoy themselves. Some really great data will be had when pros actually quite like a weird map, bonus points if it isn't perfectly balanced. Then we can start to mine why that is and actually find some kind of equilibrium between what's fun and what the pros will accept. I personally have always found it quite frustrating how inflexible pros can be when it comes to this stuff, and would love to see it change. Of course, when the big tournament decrees that you must play on weird maps, it's a nice little dose of central planning that cuts out the middle man and all is well. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
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RowdierBob
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On August 18 2025 21:04 TMNT wrote: You also have to take into account balance issues. It's fun for viewers to watch one or two games where you can see unique strategies or units that have never been used, but it's not fair for players if such maps have 75/25 win ratio. If you keep that for long terms, then games on such maps will actually end up with one race cheesing the other to get the game end asap. its fine if its just one tournament, i wouldn't have wanted death valley on more than one ASL, but at least for that one ASL, it should have lots of games played, not seeing its first play in a Ro8 lol also isnt this a real time strategy? i love seeing pros find creative ways to beat maps, such as Flash's infamous cheese against Bisu on Monty Hall, or celebrating first matchup wins on maps such as Battle Royale (lol) if i wanted to see same build over and over again, we should only be playing fighting spirit and thats it | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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