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BLinD-RawR
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Necro)Phagist(
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pseudosignal
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Predictions: Sharp > Ample (but it'll be more closely contested than people think) Stork > Larva Sharp > Stork Ample > Larva (Ample's TvZ is his weakest but he did defeat Action in the prelims and Larva's ZvT is in kinda horrendous shape) Ample > Stork (This one will be close but Ample's TvP is monster mode lately) Ample and Sharp advance | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Peeano
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On August 18 2025 10:49 BLinD-RawR wrote: not sure about the SCTVEN stream, I haven't been told of a stream just yet. SaiyanSC mentioned in his last YouTube vid (at the very end) that he and Xun will be commentating live over at https://www.sooplive.com/sctven | ||
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konadora
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Simplistik
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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pseudosignal
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nikolaus8844
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On August 18 2025 18:49 BLinD-RawR wrote: I got pulled into a meeting, someone make polls. Poll: Who would you rather have casting live in English? Arto and Tasteless (19) any duo that includes Nyoken really (12) Nyoken and the big Gyp (7) Nyoken all alone (1) Nyoken and Eonzerg (0) 39 total votes Your vote: Who would you rather have casting live in English? (Vote): Arto and Tasteless | ||
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SCRVN
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 18 2025 19:10 nikolaus8844 wrote: Poll: Who would you rather have casting live in English? Arto and Tasteless (19) any duo that includes Nyoken really (12) Nyoken and the big Gyp (7) Nyoken all alone (1) Nyoken and Eonzerg (0) 39 total votes Your vote: Who would you rather have casting live in English? (Vote): Arto and Tasteless lmao no not this. Recommendation polls | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
Sharp really just brained him. Just the full weight of the biggest wrench you've ever seen right between his eyes. Then put Ample between his buttcheeks and squeezed until the fucker was a diamond. Then he THREW THAT DIAMOND AWAY. Like grandma did in Titanic. | ||
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Kaal
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
Poll: Recommend Sharp vs Ample? You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Yes | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 18 2025 19:50 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: Not my best work! I appreciate it nonetheless | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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icystorage
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
larva is winning with mostly hydra/muta/lurker | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
 At least there are 3 more games  | ||
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
Also, we need to use spoilers here , in a LR thread ?!?!? I think not.. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
Poll: Recommend Larva vs Stork? You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Yes | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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RowdierBob
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
can't wait for mass bcs | ||
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prosatan
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
dude was able to defend again a drop and a eraser | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
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konadora
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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RowdierBob
Australia13034 Posts
That was poor strategy from Sharp though. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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On August 18 2025 20:51 BLinD-RawR wrote: screaming sea already paying in spades I see. finally watching thanks for covering for me Toshinou-Kyouko This is why, in any RTS, pros must be forced to play on weird maps that change the shape of the game. Also why BW is uniquely placed in how heavily maps play a role. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66173 Posts
On August 18 2025 20:56 RogerChillingworth wrote: This is why, in any RTS, pros must be forced to play on weird maps that change the shape of the game. Also why BW is uniquely placed in how heavily maps play a role. agreed. really hate how majority of the pro players have the biggest say in what maps get played. and really hated how death valley was banned to hell in the last ASL too. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
On August 18 2025 20:51 BLinD-RawR wrote: screaming sea already paying in spades I see. finally watching thanks for covering for me Toshinou-Kyouko ![[image loading]](https://64.media.tumblr.com/f741f70acf2624c5b0a341ecb502b2b7/tumblr_o1q9nuL1KF1udar50o1_500.gifv) | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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konadora
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On August 18 2025 20:59 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: btw we have a new interviewer? looks cute yes new lady | ||
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
On August 18 2025 20:56 RogerChillingworth wrote: This is why, in any RTS, pros must be forced to play on weird maps that change the shape of the game. Also why BW is uniquely placed in how heavily maps play a role. agree 100% Roger ! | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
hope she's proud of her dad | ||
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TMNT
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On August 18 2025 20:57 konadora wrote: agreed. really hate how majority of the pro players have the biggest say in what maps get played. and really hated how death valley was banned to hell in the last ASL too. You also have to take into account balance issues. It's fun for viewers to watch one or two games where you can see unique strategies or units that have never been used, but it's not fair for players if such maps have 75/25 win ratio. If you keep that for long terms, then games on such maps will actually end up with one race cheesing the other to get the game end asap. | ||
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TMNT
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BLinD-RawR
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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RogerChillingworth
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On August 18 2025 21:04 TMNT wrote: You also have to take into account balance issues. It's fun for viewers to watch one or two games where you can see unique strategies or units that have never been used, but it's not fair for players if such maps have 75/25 win ratio. If you keep that for long terms, then games on such maps will actually end up with one race cheesing the other to get the game end asap. That doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Multiple editions of a map can be made. Even deeper though, the issue with pros having so much say in these things is that they're often not there to have fun. Or rather, it doesn't seem like the highest priority. Historically, it's all about predictability and comfort zones. What feels good for a pro is ultimately pretty bad for casuals and spectators, or essentially people there to enjoy themselves. Some really great data will be had when pros actually quite like a weird map, bonus points if it isn't perfectly balanced. Then we can start to mine why that is and actually find some kind of equilibrium between what's fun and what the pros will accept. I personally have always found it quite frustrating how inflexible pros can be when it comes to this stuff, and would love to see it change. Of course, when the big tournament decrees that you must play on weird maps, it's a nice little dose of central planning that cuts out the middle man and all is well. | ||
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konadora
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RowdierBob
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konadora
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On August 18 2025 21:04 TMNT wrote: You also have to take into account balance issues. It's fun for viewers to watch one or two games where you can see unique strategies or units that have never been used, but it's not fair for players if such maps have 75/25 win ratio. If you keep that for long terms, then games on such maps will actually end up with one race cheesing the other to get the game end asap. its fine if its just one tournament, i wouldn't have wanted death valley on more than one ASL, but at least for that one ASL, it should have lots of games played, not seeing its first play in a Ro8 lol also isnt this a real time strategy? i love seeing pros find creative ways to beat maps, such as Flash's infamous cheese against Bisu on Monty Hall, or celebrating first matchup wins on maps such as Battle Royale (lol) if i wanted to see same build over and over again, we should only be playing fighting spirit and thats it | ||
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TMNT
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On August 18 2025 21:40 konadora wrote: its fine if its just one tournament, i wouldn't have wanted death valley on more than one ASL, but at least for that one ASL, it should have lots of games played, not seeing its first play in a Ro8 lol also isnt this a real time strategy? i love seeing pros find creative ways to beat maps, such as Flash's infamous cheese against Bisu on Monty Hall, or celebrating first matchup wins on maps such as Battle Royale (lol) if i wanted to see same build over and over again, we should only be playing fighting spirit and thats it How can you have lots of games played on an unbalanced map before Ro8 when the format is Bo1 or Bo3 though? That's exactly why players ban it in group stage: if my advancement depends on 1 single game, it better be on an even playing field. And it can't be "just one tournament" either. This time it's Death Valley, next time it'll be Monty Hall, next time it'll be Roaring currents,... meaning one race will always be absent in Ro16 of each tournament. Then it's a bad tournament. | ||
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RowdierBob
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pseudosignal
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RogueTheGOAT
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On August 18 2025 19:10 nikolaus8844 wrote: Poll: Who would you rather have casting live in English? Arto and Tasteless (19) any duo that includes Nyoken really (12) Nyoken and the big Gyp (7) Nyoken all alone (1) Nyoken and Eonzerg (0) 39 total votes Your vote: Who would you rather have casting live in English? (Vote): Arto and Tasteless How ridiculous. The ASL patreon only generates $132,000 per year before fees. You can't expect them to do it live unless you double that. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
glad to see larva really proving us doubters wrong and getting into ro16. gratz to sharp for making it as well. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
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On the game we saw on it, Sharp had some good ideas, but the execution was severely lacking at times. Maybe that's how the map would always play out in TvZ with those particular builds, but I doubt it. | ||
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Peeano
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M2
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Highgamer
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seRapH
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Larva made me feel silly for doubting him, dang lmao | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3385 Posts
On August 18 2025 21:39 RowdierBob wrote: Looking like a pretty lean season for protosses. It s not too surprising tbh. Ss1nz was the future but got himself banned. Jangbi and kal are out, free didn't get back his old self. Rain is playing lol. We have realistically 3 players: mini, snow and best. And mini s style makes it volatile in a tournament. Bisu below those 3 in general. And that s basically that. Then a big gap and a slew of ok P like motive, movie, tulbo, shuttle etc but they re not gonna make it far when they even qualify. Hoping the afrotoss shows us some fun stuff but we re looking at a 4 P ro16 in a good scenario... | ||
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Shinokuki
United States864 Posts
On August 19 2025 04:56 WGT-Baal wrote: It s not too surprising tbh. Ss1nz was the future but got himself banned. Jangbi and kal are out, free didn't get back his old self. Rain is playing lol. We have realistically 3 players: mini, snow and best. And mini s style makes it volatile in a tournament. Bisu below those 3 in general. And that s basically that. Then a big gap and a slew of ok P like motive, movie, tulbo, shuttle etc but they re not gonna make it far when they even qualify. Hoping the afrotoss shows us some fun stuff but we re looking at a 4 P ro16 in a good scenario... Why did ss1nz get banned? | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States681 Posts
On August 18 2025 19:10 nikolaus8844 wrote: Poll: Who would you rather have casting live in English? Arto and Tasteless (19) any duo that includes Nyoken really (12) Nyoken and the big Gyp (7) Nyoken all alone (1) Nyoken and Eonzerg (0) 39 total votes Your vote: Who would you rather have casting live in English? (Vote): Arto and Tasteless Namkraft. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3385 Posts
Smurfing afaik. Or account sharing? One of the 2 | ||
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TornadoSteve
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On August 19 2025 04:56 WGT-Baal wrote: It s not too surprising tbh. Ss1nz was the future but got himself banned. Jangbi and kal are out, free didn't get back his old self. Rain is playing lol. We have realistically 3 players: mini, snow and best. And mini s style makes it volatile in a tournament. Bisu below those 3 in general. And that s basically that. Then a big gap and a slew of ok P like motive, movie, tulbo, shuttle etc but they re not gonna make it far when they even qualify. Hoping the afrotoss shows us some fun stuff but we re looking at a 4 P ro16 in a good scenario... Comparing Movie why any of those guys is criminal | ||
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Lazyer
United States348 Posts
The secondary observer cam popping up is such an interesting addition this season! I love it, though comparing upgrades in mirror match ups was super difficult to decipher. Sharp looking... sharp in his TvTs. I'm thankful for the match on Roaring Currents but that looked so rough for TvZ. Happy to see Larva back playing at a high caliber, I hope he brings his turtling to ZvZ for this season of Zergs  Ample played okay but it felt more like Stork was playing poorly. His control over the HTs was just abysmal today. Really disappointed in his results, and the state of P in the current era - we desperately need some innovators to rise to the ASL level. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66173 Posts
On August 19 2025 15:22 Lazyer wrote: Thanks to XUN and Saiyan for the Eng Cast, yall are really doing god's work with the commentary. The secondary observer cam popping up is such an interesting addition this season! I love it, though comparing upgrades in mirror match ups was super difficult to decipher. Sharp looking... sharp in his TvTs. I'm thankful for the match on Roaring Currents but that looked so rough for TvZ. Happy to see Larva back playing at a high caliber, I hope he brings his turtling to ZvZ for this season of Zergs Ample played okay but it felt more like Stork was playing poorly. His control over the HTs was just abysmal today. Really disappointed in his results, and the state of P in the current era - we desperately need some innovators to rise to the ASL level. 4 HT drop on the 9 oclock expo was all i needed to see about his HT controls lol he could have used them for the 5 oclock defense but decided on a 4 HT drop like... bro | ||
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HOLYBATS
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nikolaus8844
106 Posts
On August 18 2025 22:35 RogueTheGOAT wrote: How ridiculous. The ASL patreon only generates $132,000 per year before fees. You can't expect them to do it live unless you double that. Frankly speaking I have the utmost respect for Nyoken and the considerable amount of time he has dedicated to various casts.. he has most certainly proven his ''heart and commitment to the game'' as Tony G would say. Surely if he's not doing it now he has his legit reasons.. and I seriously doubt money is central among them. The poll was more a jab to the current casting..... I don't know what's worse, Xun repeating the same 10 phrases every minute and compensating with artificially-modulated voice tone and quirky unit-attack-names trivia for the utter lack of understanding of the game, or Saiyan for cucking and taking a back seat even tho it's pretty damn obvious half of the time he does know better.. which is not to say his input is anywhere near those of the guys who actually play the game at BSL level and know what's up. And god bless them.... they really are trying.. but for f*ck's sake.. even outside of the competence remarks - some people are just cool and have it, and others don't (and of the latter - some are actually actively-annoying, one half of the current duo that is). Only Rapid I can put higher on that list....... guy was literally one of a kind | ||
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Artas1984
Lithuania121 Posts
Year after year after his hiatus in 2018/2019 Stork get's into ASL and does absolutely nothing! Why can't the man just retire and pave the way for new blood? This is really annoying! If he had vacated his spot and just got on with daddy life instead of milking his dry "carrier" we could have had Shine, Scan, another SC2 pro or even guys from China! About Artosis predictions... Boy was Artosis full of crap when he predicted "Larva" would fall out of bracket in the loosers match! He was also shockingly wrong saying how terran would be favored vs. zerg in the "Roaring Currents" - WTF? The one certain thing we have seen in the history of ASL, is that on island maps terran is the least favored race (the ASL results speak for themselves). About Sharp vs. Ample... Thank's to Stork's another boring/standard "performance" in ASL, we were left with Sharp vs. Ample final - seriously? Another TvT? FUCK THAT! I ain't watching another TvT! If by chance I see Ample's face in R16, i might watch it then, just to see Sharp's disappointed face (cheering for the underdog Ample)! About Larva... LARVA!!! The MAN! Does not need to prove anything more! Still manages to make this ASL the most exciting ASL in many years! | ||
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Peeano
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mtcn77
Turkey388 Posts
On August 19 2025 04:49 seRapH wrote: Too bad for stork fans, 0-2 in this group was not the result anyone was expecting. Larva made me feel silly for doubting him, dang lmao It is a big map, quite fair result to be honest. Protoss need to be on the edge to make that handicap disappear. That army doesn't move itself. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey388 Posts
Yes. His overcaffeinated hyperboles are just what I need. Not quite ASL level, but hyped indeed. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey388 Posts
This Roaring Currents map went the way it did because zerg has the highest HP transport unit. No one drops like a zerg to cross the enemy's line of fire with impunity. This will really play into Jaedong's hand if he survives until that map. No zerg drops quite like Jaedong, I'm still looking forward to when zergs will start infesting CC's just for this ability. | ||
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goody153
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Stork's game vs Ample where he committed too many high templars on bombing workers instead of the siege on his 5th base was a big mistake Wish you luck next season Stork. Last season was where he looked really good but alas | ||
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Miragee
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On August 19 2025 15:22 Lazyer wrote: The secondary observer cam popping up is such an interesting addition this season! I love it, though comparing upgrades in mirror match ups was super difficult to decipher. Fully agree, that was awesome, although, like you said, some improvements could be made. | ||
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