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EndingLife
United States1599 Posts
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iFU.spx
Russian Federation376 Posts
On December 18 2024 05:14 EndingLife wrote: Does ZZZero still take a yearly salary out of BSL donations and prize pools? I remember him saying he needed a certain amount a year to live comfortably or he'd have to return to work full time and organizing would be part time. IIRC, that amount was basically half of the total prize pool for the year. I haven't seen an update about this in quite some time. I think part of the reason why there aren't as many small tournaments, weekend tournaments, nation wars, race wars, etc is because BSL is basically a monopoly now when it comes to foreign BW tournaments. There isn't enough money to go around for other tournaments when BSL is getting the majority of it. Especially if ZZZero is taking a big chunk out of it for living expenses and a yearly salary. People used to host, organize and cast tournaments for the love of the game, not as a job. People like Qikz, Sayle, Elegant etc who did it all for the love of the game are greatly missed. nah. Nothing stops you from creating your own league. There is no monopoly here. Its not about money at all. | ||
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DiMiaN
Finland303 Posts
Players join tournaments for two things. Exposure and money. But if they can't show their skills for the reasons above, they won't join. For BSL to survive, they need to find a solution before it's too late. Is there any interest in starting an EU league (with possibly invited players from outside the EU)? The focus would be on having fun and prize money is just a bonus. The distribution of the prize pool would be more even as well. With the right people behind the wheel, it could be a success. The problem remains, however. Being able to practice against the best, i.e. the Koreans. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1119 Posts
Contact Koreans and book some lessons. there are plenty of them who can communicate well in english. there are plenty of them who are open to interacting with foreigners. All it takes is shooting them a message on SOOP. And be open minded to advice. I have seen some foreigners at the top being unwilling to implement changes required to adjust to the meta, or to break out of bad habits in their play. Some still play old meta stuff or have bad optimization and bad flowcharting in their decision making. You don't have to play all day every day to improve. Sport science has already proven that just grinding is not that effective. Less frequent but Highly specified and directed practice will improve your skills. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5219 Posts
Anyway, the problem is always a mix of latency, time(zones) and resources. Since playing with lag fucking sucks, region lock would be great, but there simply aren't enough players to make that interesting. So we're back at square 1. Internet wasn't built with having the lowest latency possible in mind, and even so we're limited by how fast light can travel through whatever medium is used. When a signal has to travel half the globe and back it's never going to be good enough for any real time game at competitive level, not in our age anyway... | ||
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sas.Sziky
Hungary333 Posts
On December 20 2024 22:54 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: locking a region out because they are "too good" is self defeating. The goal is to get better and better at the game isn't it? Treat it as a challenge to overcome and improve, not as a hurdle impossible to overcome. Yes the chinese have a geographical advantage because they can play vs koreans and get lessons from koreans with less latency, and sometimes have an easier time learning korean because of the many language similarities. Dewalt has this exact same advantage. Contact Koreans and book some lessons. there are plenty of them who can communicate well in english. there are plenty of them who are open to interacting with foreigners. All it takes is shooting them a message on SOOP. And be open minded to advice. I have seen some foreigners at the top being unwilling to implement changes required to adjust to the meta, or to break out of bad habits in their play. Some still play old meta stuff or have bad optimization and bad flowcharting in their decision making. You don't have to play all day every day to improve. Sport science has already proven that just grinding is not that effective. Less frequent but Highly specified and directed practice will improve your skills. pls man dont talk about that which you know nothing abou. Since sc2 came out i put it many effort for practice not anymore, because so impossible if u are not Korean or Chinese. So except the Fish period ( when u can offten played against Korean ). Right now u cant play against Korean even with VPN only in ladder ( what is basically very bad for practice ) Koreans mostly only plays spont match ( Money), i had Contact with Cruiser he could only organize par games for money around 40 games / 3 years. how can you expect, that any Foreign do same thing who is practice 24/7 with good motivation and can living from that? what wrong with you ?? ? ''Dewalt has this exact same advantage'' what are u talking ? i am tired to explain this. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1119 Posts
On December 21 2024 00:33 sas.Sziky wrote: pls man dont talk about that which you know nothing abou. Since sc2 came out i put it many effort for practice not anymore, because so impossible if u are not Korean or Chinese. So except the Fish period ( when u can offten played against Korean ). Right now u cant play against Korean even with VPN only in ladder ( what is basically very bad for practice ) Koreans mostly only plays spont match ( Money), i had Contact with Cruiser he could only organize par games for money around 40 games / 3 years. how can you expect, that any Foreign do same thing who is practice 24/7 with good motivation and can living from that? what wrong with you ?? ? ''Dewalt has this exact same advantage'' what are u talking ? i am tired to explain this. I have multiple pros on kakaochat and discord and talk with them regularly, some more than others. I have organized like 40+ spons. I funded moonlight proleagues some of which entirely out of my own pocket, I have contributed through players to K-league and Major proleague funding. Yes you need money because you are asking them for a service. Lessons are not free. Coaching is not free. Spon matches are not free. I never said it was free. But if you really want to improve you can definitely work something out with them, as long as you are willing to put money into it. Sadly thats how the world works. Money opens doors. There are limits to how much you can improve on your own with the limitations of region based internet infrastructure. If you lack the ability to put money into it then yes you are screwed by the limitations. But if you want to learn and improve beyond a certain level you need access to the korean pros and their insight. And dewalt has his location to his benefit. He does not have terrible latency with Koreans. It is not perfect but its better than the latency Europeans have or Peruvians have. Bad latency however does not mean you cant get coaching from a Korean pro. You dont have to play the korean pro. You can get them to do VOD reviews like we do coaching in League Of Legends. There is Discord Screenshare. there is also regular text chat. There are way more methods of interacting than playing against a korean pro. Korean amateurs have a similar problem. While they dont have the language and latency barrier, they also share the same monetary requirement barrier. If they don't pay-up, or don't have viewers/fans paying for them, they don't get spons, coaching or whatever either. It costs them just as much money to play. | ||
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sas.Sziky
Hungary333 Posts
On December 21 2024 04:04 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: I have multiple pros on kakaochat and discord and talk with them regularly, some more than others. I have organized like 40+ spons. I funded moonlight proleagues some of which entirely out of my own pocket, I have contributed through players to K-league and Major proleague funding. Yes you need money because you are asking them for a service. Lessons are not free. Coaching is not free. Spon matches are not free. I never said it was free. But if you really want to improve you can definitely work something out with them, as long as you are willing to put money into it. Sadly thats how the world works. Money opens doors. There are limits to how much you can improve on your own with the limitations of region based internet infrastructure. If you lack the ability to put money into it then yes you are screwed by the limitations. But if you want to learn and improve beyond a certain level you need access to the korean pros and their insight. And dewalt has his location to his benefit. He does not have terrible latency with Koreans. It is not perfect but its better than the latency Europeans have or Peruvians have. Bad latency however does not mean you cant get coaching from a Korean pro. You dont have to play the korean pro. You can get them to do VOD reviews like we do coaching in League Of Legends. There is Discord Screenshare. there is also regular text chat. There are way more methods of interacting than playing against a korean pro. Korean amateurs have a similar problem. While they dont have the language and latency barrier, they also share the same monetary requirement barrier. If they don't pay-up, or don't have viewers/fans paying for them, they don't get spons, coaching or whatever either. It costs them just as much money to play. Well first congrat for your things, second this post almost perfect ( but u cant comparated Dewalt and Chinese still, yes he has little bit better connection but still not enough good )do you really think how I didn't ask through Cruiser Koreans pros, semi pros about my gameplay? little bit more respect pls. why u dont belive me when i said '' u cant practice'' only With money yes man if i am rich then i go Korea or China and play without lag. 200 game not even close to enough. + because u are not know whats the different tr24 games and tr12 games. what u do when vpn not working for years and u cant play even ladder? ok i pay 10k usd for practice on tr12 do you think thats will be improving your skill? no joking. pls. And last how i pay for them, from where? if i am working and have money(few) then no time, if i am not working then no money. Little bit respect pls. '' Korean amateurs have similar problem '' where the similiar problem between tr12 and tr24 ? btw can i ask your mmr ? They have ladder ( yes pros play for fun and etc but at least they can play not insta leave because lag and they also can play similiar practice partner without pay) + and what about the teams? what do you think if i am a Korean with my skill i will get a team? Cruiser told me about teams. Similiar problem? | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1119 Posts
On December 21 2024 06:59 sas.Sziky wrote: Well first congrat for your things, second this post almost perfect ( but u cant comparated Dewalt and Chinese still, yes he has little bit better connection but still not enough good )do you really think how I didn't ask through Cruiser Koreans pros, semi pros about my gameplay? little bit more respect pls. why u dont belive me when i said '' u cant practice'' only With money yes man if i am rich then i go Korea or China and play without lag. 200 game not even close to enough. + because u are not know whats the different tr24 games and tr12 games. what u do when vpn not working for years and u cant play even ladder? ok i pay 10k usd for practice on tr12 do you think thats will be improving your skill? no joking. pls. And last how i pay for them, from where? if i am working and have money(few) then no time, if i am not working then no money. Little bit respect pls. '' Korean amateurs have similar problem '' where the similiar problem between tr12 and tr24 ? btw can i ask your mmr ? They have ladder ( yes pros play for fun and etc but at least they can play not insta leave because lag and they also can play similiar practice partner without pay) + and what about the teams? what do you think if i am a Korean with my skill i will get a team? Cruiser told me about teams. Similiar problem? I never showed you any disrespect. I never said it was you. I specifically said "some foreigners". I addressed the latency issues for Europe and Peru. When I talked about Korean amateurs I specifically said "the money problem" also being their problem, meaning the latency problem is not a problem for them but they do face a common challenge. I cited my experiences of interacting with pros to refute your point of "not knowing what I am talking about". And everyone knows the challenges of latency... | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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authorsosa
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2750 Posts
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