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Hyuk < Odin
Odin playing a decent season, despite 2 losses lately. Never seen Hyuk.
Midas < Firebathero
FBH seems to be off his karma streak, and his TvT should be as strong as ever.
SKT1 > Khan
I have no idea, just picking SKT to get Stork vs. July running.
July < Stork.
July just does not look too hot lately - while Stork does. So I am giving it to Stork for PvZ reassessment.
3 - 1 for Khan.
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It's good to see Midas, I don't cheer for him, but he's a good player to watch.
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Wow, a ZvZ that's going long.
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Looking grim for FBH, he failed a rush off a proxy baracks in the middle of the map and was way behind at starting his factory. A vulture rush killed off many workers, Midas is starting his expansion and has a huge advantage.
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Midas playing it safe, containing FBH, preventing outbreaks and massing dropships. Now sieging FBH's main from lower ground and getting ready to move up - FBH might be able to defend a while with his tank setup, but overall he is mostly stalling, not winning.
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FBH ggs right after his last ditch attempt to drop midas base got scouted halfway
The advantage for midas was huge from the start as most of fbh scvs were killed by midas vultures after a failed proxy rax.
And somehow i cannot see what midas is doing for his ceremony.... he really needs to learn from fbh how to do it =D
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That game was disappointing - proxy, small fight, long, dragged out fight based on a huge advantage. Nothing to fault Midas about, for playing safe, but just not exciting.
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Wow, I love midas so much. Ever since his personal tragedy, he's been raping everyone. Makes me happy to see him smile and celebrate with his team. <3 midas.
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hmm, samsung must win 2v2. I want to see July v. Stork
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ye.. and i need khan not only the 2v2.. also stork and ace must win!
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Stork taking 2 games would be a reasonable storyline 
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SKT1 is fully allowed to win, but only if they let stork play at least one match, missing July vs. Stork would be gruesome.
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SKT1 at bottom, Samsung at top.
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Just started ... Khan are placed on top spots, SKT1 on bottoms, looks like the standard Mutalisk / Goliaths on high ground stuff is going to happen.
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samsung better not get 3-0ed... :\
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Didnt really follow the match, but blue lings are wrecking havoc in SK terran's base, supported by tankfire with wraithscout over the wall from the Khan terran. Purple Mutalisks did some damage to Khan Zerg but not with a significant amount. The tanks shooting over the wall will really hurt SK terran in the long run - and now there are also tanks on the wall.
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2v2 is looking good for samsung right now, one tank above SK Zerg's base took down many drones and the spire, drop yet again above SK's terran. Should be over soon - and it is, Stork vs. July IS HAPPENING.
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cool. Il be wathcing this match after CJ vs KTF ends. I hope a ace match comes out of this one
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Something along the lines of Stork vs. Midas would be a good ace-match. Or maybe SKT1 will even send out oov once more. But at first that requires Stork getting past July.
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Both with expansion, some lings run through Stork's mainbase, but only 3 make it through. Stream too laggy for me to do any real reports though :/. Stork with airport and robotics, July's lair is about to finish and he has a den.
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Stork forces the drones at the greedy 2nd expansion to run away, as July only has a few hyds, corsairs are popping overlords at July's main.
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Citadel now for stork, if he can keep up this momentum he will overrun July anytime soon - they are basically playing 2base vs. 2base and corsairs did quite some damage. Reaver drop at backdoor expansion, gets some drones and forces the mining crew to run AGAIN.
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Overall, one could say that Stork is pretty much raping July here. Camera shows a 7 kill corsair. July switching to muta / scourge, but he lost his third base.
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This looks exactly like the bisu build.
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July got absolutely dominated 
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Does Stork usually wear a ring on his finger, or does he have a new gf?
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so the score is 2-2? I hate it when the people make the thread and don't even bother to update it live..
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On December 04 2007 20:24 game_no wrote:
This looks exactly like the bisu build.
interesting, cause that wasn't bisu build at all
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Maybe Jangbi for Samsung^^ got a feeling~!
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oov's gonna get destroyed!
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Stork with his big coat haha!
take if off man! you look stupid ;p
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i've been waiting a long time for this match
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On December 04 2007 20:30 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 20:24 game_no wrote:
This looks exactly like the bisu build. interesting, cause that wasn't bisu build at all
yah it was.
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Are they freezing or what?
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I can't believe these two have only played each other once, and that was over a year and a half ago.
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stork raped july hard
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On December 04 2007 20:39 game_no wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 20:30 InRaged wrote:On December 04 2007 20:24 game_no wrote:
This looks exactly like the bisu build. interesting, cause that wasn't bisu build at all yah it was.
The "bisu build" is sair/dt open, this was sair/reav yo.
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Baekmagoji
iloveoov Yellow@1
Stork Orange@7
And why does it have to be baekmagoji....I hate this map
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no chees so far, standard opening^^
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fuck i wan't to see this!!!!
report please!!
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1gate core for Stork with range upgrading.
1rax fac for oov!
standard play so far.
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oov + baekmoji = super sayan oov
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stork takes second gas early. Gets robo.
Oov has put up a second factory.
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On December 04 2007 20:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 20:39 game_no wrote:On December 04 2007 20:30 InRaged wrote:On December 04 2007 20:24 game_no wrote:
This looks exactly like the bisu build. interesting, cause that wasn't bisu build at all yah it was. The "bisu build" is sair/dt open, this was sair/reav yo.
watch game 1,2,3 of savior vs bisu then tell what's his build.
bisu build.
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2 fac push for oov.
stork with robo done now, obs coming soon i bett followed by reaver.
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hahah!
stargate for stork, w t f ^^
he's <3
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stork puts down 2nd and 3rd gate.
stork gets observatory, kills a stuck probe.
stork gets stargate...
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stork building starport allready
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Just because Bisu uses it doesn't mean it's the beesuit build involving dt/sair that mostly people refer to it as.
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oov sends tanks+rines to kill a pylon block
stork flanking with goons from both sides
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Stork is raping oov
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another stargate for stork, getting carriers
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ah, sorry for not mentioning, oov took his nat a while ago.
oov tries to force vults through two goons blocking the north bridge, but kills a goon and runs away
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On December 04 2007 20:56 MuShu wrote:
Just because Bisu uses it doesn't mean it's the beesuit build involving dt/sair that mostly people refer to it as.
yes it does.
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oov has gollies out 2 carriers fly out, stork taking his nat
oov with a ton of gollies now.
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3 carriers for stork, killing a floating rax(doesn't kill it) while oov shoots down some intercepters
oov harrass stork's nat with two vults, kills like 3 probes. 5 carriers for stork now.
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stork in oovs base with loads of goons, oov in storks base with lots of tanks
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oov with no gollies, can't defend his tanks from carriers with missile turrets, ggs.
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lol, stork doing fbh-type ceremony..
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hahaha for a moment I thought he was going to do the fbh dance.. it was pretty close
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Stork finally takes off his huge ass coat only to do the FBH train dance. LOL!
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On December 04 2007 20:54 game_no wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 20:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:On December 04 2007 20:39 game_no wrote:On December 04 2007 20:30 InRaged wrote:On December 04 2007 20:24 game_no wrote:
This looks exactly like the bisu build. interesting, cause that wasn't bisu build at all yah it was. The "bisu build" is sair/dt open, this was sair/reav yo. watch game 1,2,3 of savior vs bisu then tell what's his build. bisu build.
On the RLT game fast expo into sair/reav with ground game instead of hardcore reaver has been done well before Bisu's time. Just because he used it once doesn't mean it's his his build. Bisu's trademark build is fast expo into constant sair pump, immediate tech to citadel and archives with 2 gates and dt harass. In other words sair/dt. That's what people are talking about when they say "Bisu build". Your ignorance causes confusion.
There are a broad spectrum of fast expo into 1 star sair pump and they're all encompassed with the name Neogen PvZ. Like Sair harass -> +1 speedzeal attack.
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On December 04 2007 21:16 plaszczka wrote:
wtf is FBH?
Firebathero, Stork's teammate
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On December 04 2007 21:13 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 20:54 game_no wrote:On December 04 2007 20:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:On December 04 2007 20:39 game_no wrote:On December 04 2007 20:30 InRaged wrote:On December 04 2007 20:24 game_no wrote:
This looks exactly like the bisu build. interesting, cause that wasn't bisu build at all yah it was. The "bisu build" is sair/dt open, this was sair/reav yo. watch game 1,2,3 of savior vs bisu then tell what's his build. bisu build. On the RLT game fast expo into sair/reav with ground game instead of hardcore reaver has been done well before Bisu's time. Just because he used it once doesn't mean it's his his build. Bisu's trademark build is fast expo into constant sair pump, immediate tech to citadel and archives with 2 gates and dt harass. In other words sair/dt. That's what people are talking about when they say "Bisu build". Your ignorance causes confusion. There are a broad spectrum of fast expo into 1 star sair pump and they're all encompassed with the name Neogen PvZ. Like Sair harass -> +1 speedzeal attack.
"Savior doesn't have an answer for this, no zerg does." Somethings said during those games, and it wasn't 'sair/dt.' Stork starts using the same build he saw bisu use, july doesn't have an answer either and something tells me now that he does start using it, his PvZ will be indestructible too just like Bisu's.
bisu build.
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Yet again I totally failed with my bet for the individual game results...but again I bet for the right team, funny 
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On December 04 2007 21:19 Naib wrote:Yet again I totally failed with my bet for the individual game results...but again I bet for the right team, funny Same here .. although I put my faith in Stork in the end and he surely did not disappoint.
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On December 04 2007 21:18 game_no wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 21:13 NovaTheFeared wrote:On December 04 2007 20:54 game_no wrote:On December 04 2007 20:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:On December 04 2007 20:39 game_no wrote:On December 04 2007 20:30 InRaged wrote:On December 04 2007 20:24 game_no wrote:
This looks exactly like the bisu build. interesting, cause that wasn't bisu build at all yah it was. The "bisu build" is sair/dt open, this was sair/reav yo. watch game 1,2,3 of savior vs bisu then tell what's his build. bisu build. On the RLT game fast expo into sair/reav with ground game instead of hardcore reaver has been done well before Bisu's time. Just because he used it once doesn't mean it's his his build. Bisu's trademark build is fast expo into constant sair pump, immediate tech to citadel and archives with 2 gates and dt harass. In other words sair/dt. That's what people are talking about when they say "Bisu build". Your ignorance causes confusion. There are a broad spectrum of fast expo into 1 star sair pump and they're all encompassed with the name Neogen PvZ. Like Sair harass -> +1 speedzeal attack. "Savior doesn't have an answer for this, no zerg does." Somethings said during those games, and it wasn't 'sair/dt.' Stork starts using the same build he saw bisu use, july doesn't have an answer either and something tells me now that he does start using it, his PvZ will be indestructible too just like Bisu's.
It's too early for the best counterbuild to Neogen PvZ to have been found. If you knew anything about starcraft history like this you'd know it takes several seasons for adaptation to take hold in the community. The FD rush is a great example. When it was first put forth all protoss players were having extreme difficulty dealing with it. Today it's almost never used.
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Hooray for Stork, saving Samsung again. I only wish Bisu dominated the PL like Birdtoss does. :
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Besides game_no just because Bisu uses different builds after the FE -> sair + DT opening it doesn't mean every opening he chooses is a "Bisu build". If he did a 9-9-9 double gate rush, that would be Bisu build too? (theoretical question if you didn't detect, no need to answer).
The Bisu build as someone already pointed out was the first thing that made him famous, and his PvZ fame high (as if, unstoppable) is FE -> sair + dt. That's THE Bisu-build, because noone really used it like him before (or not at all, if I'm correct).
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ahaha good job with the OP dragoon!
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On December 04 2007 21:25 Naib wrote:
Besides game_no just because Bisu uses different builds after the FE -> sair + DT opening it doesn't mean every opening he chooses is a "Bisu build". If he did a 9-9-9 double gate rush, that would be Bisu build too? (theoretical question if you didn't detect, no need to answer).
The Bisu build as someone already pointed out was the first thing that made him famous, and his PvZ fame high (as if, unstoppable) is FE -> sair + dt. That's THE Bisu-build, because noone really used it like him before (or not at all, if I'm correct).
No it wouldn't because it wasn't coined by bisu as "no one having an answer for that build." bisu showed how to demolish savior through that build and if it was used all the time before, then all protoss wouldn't have been raped by zerg 70% loss rate but it wasn't. Stork saw the same build, used bisu's same order and the results are the same.
bisu build.
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OSL Semis will be fun. Bisu "I lose in proleague but I own at individual leagues" against "I save my team time after time but choke in solo sometimes" Stork.
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On December 04 2007 21:34 game_no wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 21:25 Naib wrote:
Besides game_no just because Bisu uses different builds after the FE -> sair + DT opening it doesn't mean every opening he chooses is a "Bisu build". If he did a 9-9-9 double gate rush, that would be Bisu build too? (theoretical question if you didn't detect, no need to answer).
The Bisu build as someone already pointed out was the first thing that made him famous, and his PvZ fame high (as if, unstoppable) is FE -> sair + dt. That's THE Bisu-build, because noone really used it like him before (or not at all, if I'm correct). No it wouldn't because it wasn't coined by bisu as "no one having an answer for that build." bisu showed how to demolish savior through that build and if it was used all the time before, then all protoss wouldn't have been raped by zerg 70% loss rate but it wasn't. Stork saw the same build, used bisu's same order and the results are the same. bisu build.
Whether you agree or not, fast expo into 1 gate sair/reav and ground play was used well before Bisu. It cannot be his build.
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On December 04 2007 21:37 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 21:34 game_no wrote:On December 04 2007 21:25 Naib wrote:
Besides game_no just because Bisu uses different builds after the FE -> sair + DT opening it doesn't mean every opening he chooses is a "Bisu build". If he did a 9-9-9 double gate rush, that would be Bisu build too? (theoretical question if you didn't detect, no need to answer).
The Bisu build as someone already pointed out was the first thing that made him famous, and his PvZ fame high (as if, unstoppable) is FE -> sair + dt. That's THE Bisu-build, because noone really used it like him before (or not at all, if I'm correct). No it wouldn't because it wasn't coined by bisu as "no one having an answer for that build." bisu showed how to demolish savior through that build and if it was used all the time before, then all protoss wouldn't have been raped by zerg 70% loss rate but it wasn't. Stork saw the same build, used bisu's same order and the results are the same. bisu build. Whether you agree or not, fast expo into 1 gate sair/reav and ground play was used well before Bisu. It cannot be his build.
every single build in this game has been used by someone in some form or another, this game didn't come out last year. this was His build that they had no answer for.
bisu build.
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Cmon game_no stop arguing, you know Nova is right. I'm a big Bisu fan too but I don't go around calling every PvZ order he uses the "Bisu Build".
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On December 04 2007 21:41 game_no wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 21:37 NovaTheFeared wrote:On December 04 2007 21:34 game_no wrote:On December 04 2007 21:25 Naib wrote:
Besides game_no just because Bisu uses different builds after the FE -> sair + DT opening it doesn't mean every opening he chooses is a "Bisu build". If he did a 9-9-9 double gate rush, that would be Bisu build too? (theoretical question if you didn't detect, no need to answer).
The Bisu build as someone already pointed out was the first thing that made him famous, and his PvZ fame high (as if, unstoppable) is FE -> sair + dt. That's THE Bisu-build, because noone really used it like him before (or not at all, if I'm correct). No it wouldn't because it wasn't coined by bisu as "no one having an answer for that build." bisu showed how to demolish savior through that build and if it was used all the time before, then all protoss wouldn't have been raped by zerg 70% loss rate but it wasn't. Stork saw the same build, used bisu's same order and the results are the same. bisu build. Whether you agree or not, fast expo into 1 gate sair/reav and ground play was used well before Bisu. It cannot be his build. every single build in this game has been used by someone in some form or another, this game didn't come out last year. this was His build that they had no answer for. bisu build.
I don't mean that it was used in one game I mean it was a common opening on maps that are good for it, particularly ones with enough ramps or island expansions that sair air control allow toss to take for free. Bisu had no hand in inventing or reinventing Sair/reav play, that was way way before his time.
Watch games on Forte or Requiem and you'll see plenty of sair/reav before Bisu.
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On December 04 2007 21:43 kramus wrote:
Cmon game_no stop arguing, you know Nova is right. I'm a big Bisu fan too but I don't go around calling every PvZ order he uses the "Bisu Build".
i'm not a bisu fan i'm making an observation. I've responded to everything that has quoted me does that mean i'm arguing? and I didn't call every pvz order bisu uses as "bisu build" read my comments.
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I think that both sair/dtdrop and sair/reavers can be considered bisu builds, since the concept is always the same, harras with corsair at first and with something else after while you add gates and mass
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How can a build that has been used for years be named after a player who just recently came onto the scene? It can't and shouldn't. That's why we have a new name for this influx of sair play, and a name for the specialized innovation that Bisu made and popularized.
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Bisu may be using it the best right now, but that's accredited to his vastly superior multitasking ability. I believe nal_ra was the first one to really popularize it.
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On December 04 2007 21:55 NovaTheFeared wrote:
How can a build that has been used for years be named after a player who just recently came onto the scene? It can't and shouldn't. That's why we have a new name for this influx of sair play, and a name for the specialized innovation that Bisu made and popularized.
nobody is saying he invented the build. just because I was the first to click "build tank" back then doesn't mean I was the first to invent fast machine tech. what he did was made this build his build order which makes even the greatest zergs confused and feel weak, and other protoss gamers are catching on. it is what it is
bisu build
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Do you really think Stork will be able to beat Savior in a Bo5 by copying this "bisu build"?
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On December 04 2007 22:01 game_no wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 21:55 NovaTheFeared wrote:
How can a build that has been used for years be named after a player who just recently came onto the scene? It can't and shouldn't. That's why we have a new name for this influx of sair play, and a name for the specialized innovation that Bisu made and popularized. nobody is saying he invented the build. just because I was the first to click "build tank" back then doesn't mean I was the first to invent fast machine tech. what he did was made this build his build order which makes even the greatest zergs confused and feel weak, and other protoss gamers are catching on. it is what it is bisu build
Ok as long it's not being named after Bisu, and we're only talking about Bisu using some previously created tech well then I suppose everything is fine.
It's insulting to longtime gamers to have a strategy that we've been fighting for years be named after a newcomer.
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On December 04 2007 22:05 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 22:01 game_no wrote:On December 04 2007 21:55 NovaTheFeared wrote:
How can a build that has been used for years be named after a player who just recently came onto the scene? It can't and shouldn't. That's why we have a new name for this influx of sair play, and a name for the specialized innovation that Bisu made and popularized. nobody is saying he invented the build. just because I was the first to click "build tank" back then doesn't mean I was the first to invent fast machine tech. what he did was made this build his build order which makes even the greatest zergs confused and feel weak, and other protoss gamers are catching on. it is what it is bisu build Ok as long it's not being named after Bisu, and we're only talking about Bisu using some previously created tech well then I suppose everything is fine. It's insulting to longtime gamers to have a strategy that we've been fighting for years be named after a newcomer.
No you don't have it at all. if they've been fighting it for years then there's no reason that it should be just recently coined by bisu as "the build that zerg has no answer for." Because it wasn't fought for years. It's not an insult and new build orders and how they're played out can arise. this game is evolving.
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On December 04 2007 21:51 UbRi wrote:
I think that both sair/dtdrop and sair/reavers can be considered bisu builds, since the concept is always the same, harras with corsair at first and with something else after while you add gates and mass
I missed this comment but this sums up everything in 1 sentence
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As for the beesuit build: I think it does not only refer to some kind of build order but rather to a specific playstyle which is made possible by using that build order. Getting a fast expansion with forge and getting tech units while hiding behind this shield is hardly anything which deserves the label "innovation".
However, using this build and the units in the way Bisu pioneered, with constant puncturing of the zerg at vital spots, overlord hunting, drop harassing with reaver / DT / HT, essentially forcing the zerg into a passive, defending position until the protoss army has reached a critical mass and can tackle the zerg head-on, THAT is what is commonly referred to as the "bisu build" or rather bisu style of PvZ. If you reread the "Revolutionary Magic" final edit by Hot_Bid, you will know what it is about.
+ Show Spoiler +(from that arcticle: ) The "Beesuit Build" itself is not special. The build that beat Savior, the build that is basically a modified Protoss FE that slightly delays its storm and intermittently cuts probes for early DT/Corsair, is only good because Bisu does it. Other players have tried it and failed where Bisu succeeded. His Corsairs do not die. His DTs act like there is someone watching them at all times, finding holes that no other player can find. You could just drop the "-Build" part of that designation altogether and simply call it "Bisu," because it's all him.
So it is entirely possible that the style in which Bisu plays PvZ is being copied, but that is FAR more than just a build order, and therefore the term "bisu build" is hardly warranted. Bisu style / philosophy / w/e. is far more appropriate.
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There is no way using corsairs and reavers = bisu build.
... I'm not even...
AUGH your sheer ignorance boggles the mind. It really does.
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On December 04 2007 23:36 Aesop wrote:As for the beesuit build: I think it does not only refer to some kind of build order but rather to a specific playstyle which is made possible by using that build order. Getting a fast expansion with forge and getting tech units while hiding behind this shield is hardly anything which deserves the label "innovation". However, using this build and the units in the way Bisu pioneered, with constant puncturing of the zerg at vital spots, overlord hunting, drop harassing with reaver / DT / HT, essentially forcing the zerg into a passive, defending position until the protoss army has reached a critical mass and can tackle the zerg head-on, THAT is what is commonly referred to as the "bisu build" or rather bisu style of PvZ. If you reread the "Revolutionary Magic" final edit by Hot_Bid, you will know what it is about. + Show Spoiler +(from that arcticle: ) The "Beesuit Build" itself is not special. The build that beat Savior, the build that is basically a modified Protoss FE that slightly delays its storm and intermittently cuts probes for early DT/Corsair, is only good because Bisu does it. Other players have tried it and failed where Bisu succeeded. His Corsairs do not die. His DTs act like there is someone watching them at all times, finding holes that no other player can find. You could just drop the "-Build" part of that designation altogether and simply call it "Bisu," because it's all him. So it is entirely possible that the style in which Bisu plays PvZ is being copied, but that is FAR more than just a build order, and therefore the term "bisu build" is hardly warranted. Bisu style / philosophy / w/e. is far more appropriate.
Mostly agree, although there isn't anything necessarily spectacular about his gameplay during his opening in general, something that any pro-gamer at that skill can do they just need to use bisu's build or 'playstayle' (both can be interchanged) with a non-imitatio sed amelioratio style and it works. just look at this game stork vs july, there isn't anything close to "omg that was boxer micro!" with the corsair use or unit massing, Stork used the standard bisu build and the results were exactly familiar with the games we saw vs savior.
There is no way using corsairs and reavers = bisu build.
... I'm not even...
AUGH your sheer ignorance boggles the mind. It really does.
what is mind boggling is your primitive outlook on his build. making corsairs and reavers is not the whole build, not even close. It's only part of his build. If you wanted to only make corsairs and reavers and expect to win the game, then you don't deserve to be in the proleague sorry to say.
It's the same as saying nada's build isn't unique because he is using marines and medics and that has been invented before!
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Uh Corsair-Reaver is not the Bisu build by any means.
The Bisu build is categorized by its relentless Corsair/DT harass WHILE doing the tech to a ground army consisting of the usual Zeal/Goon + Temp. Corsair-Reaver, for a large part of the game, relies completely on Corsairs and Shuttles and has little ground force (if only to defend).
Bisu's build is centered on the fact that he can multitask like a motherfucker and kill overlords, harass with DTs, and still keep up his macro at the same time.
Corsair-Reaver is rA, not Bisu.
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damn Stork raped everything, July and iloveoov? amazing <3
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You're one thick-headed viking, game_no...
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The Reason this build against Savior in their first finals was called bisu-build, is because he kept building corsairs and didn't stop after one or two, which is what people usually do/did when they saw their opponent doing a lurker or hydra build. It seemed common sense that "wasting" vespine for corsairs while being unable to prevent your opponent from containing and mass expanding was the wrong thing to do, so players rather spent their vespine on goons/templars and observer tech, in order to either do a timed attack, or break the zerg's contain and take one or two more expansions.
But, as mentioned above, bisu is the god of multitasking, thus he is able to use his corsairs and dts so efficiently that he can harass the zerg a lot more than anyone else could with that unit mix.
You don't name an old, often-used build order after someone just because he is good at using it or uses it often, you only name it after him if it's something that has not been seen before in that certain way. So reaver/sair is neither bisu-build nor nal_ra-build, neither is fe to 1-2 corsairs and 1-2 DTs called the bisu-build, for the reasons i mentioned above..
on a sidenote, I think our beloved dutchman Nazgul was one of the very first to use reaver/sair efficiently on landmaps, he was certainly one of the first players i faced who did it, and that way before i had anyone else try it against me. It must've been somewhere around early 2002.
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On December 05 2007 01:36 Naib wrote:
You're one thick-headed viking, game_no...
He's not that thick-headed. Just too adamant about labeling it as Bisu-build.
Nal_rA: corsair/reaver -> corsair/carrier
Bisu: corsair/reaver/dt -> corsair/ground
They are very different styles. Nal_rA spends all his money on corsairs, cannons, and reavers. Thus, his unit count is very low compared to zerg's unit count for most of the game. He transitions to carriers slowly in marathon games. Otherwise, he keeps using corsair reavers throughout the entire game.
The point of Bisu's game is to slowly build up a huge ground force while preventing the opponent from doing the same. Thus, corsair/reaver/DT is used to harass and get free points and keep expansions from running at full power. Bisu's unit count stays high. Then he rolls out with a huge army.
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Why do you write "bisu build" at the end of every post ? Extremely annoying.
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Aw he beat July AND oov. that makes me sad.
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On December 05 2007 04:13 Guybrush wrote:
Why do you write "bisu build" at the end of every post ? Extremely annoying.
Agreed. It makes me wonder if game_on is a fucking retard or what. Hmm, maybe he's a brother of the fucker who says "... here commentating" in every post in the live report.
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July, what the fuck was that?? that was ugly...
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On December 05 2007 08:01 hixhix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2007 04:13 Guybrush wrote:
Why do you write "bisu build" at the end of every post ? Extremely annoying.
Agreed. It makes me wonder if game_on is a fucking retard or what. Hmm, maybe he's a brother of the fucker who says "... here commentating" in every post in the live report.
Well the guy who said "commentating".. He did stop after we asked him to.
This guy is relentless.
nal_rA build.
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Because its funny how raged you americans are getting. most of you americans are making baseless insults without any contribution at all or no explanation. 
On December 05 2007 02:50 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Nal_rA: corsair/reaver -> corsair/carrier
Bisu: corsair/reaver/dt -> corsair/ground
They are very different styles. Nal_rA spends all his money on corsairs, cannons, and reavers. Thus, his unit count is very low compared to zerg's unit count for most of the game. He transitions to carriers slowly in marathon games. Otherwise, he keeps using corsair reavers throughout the entire game.
The point of Bisu's game is to slowly build up a huge ground force while preventing the opponent from doing the same. Thus, corsair/reaver/DT is used to harass and get free points and keep expansions from running at full power. Bisu's unit count stays high. Then he rolls out with a huge army.
this person explains it nicely. koreans always seem to understand this material best (or euros). this is the bisu build. anyone else who cant see past "he only makes corsairs->dt" or "he makes reavers therefore its not his build" are idiots.
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On December 05 2007 09:09 game_no wrote:Because its funny how raged you americans are getting. most of you americans are making baseless insults without any contribution at all or no explanation. koreans always seem to understand this material best (or euros). this is the bisu build. anyone else who cant see past "he only makes corsairs->dt" or "he makes reavers therefore its not his build" are idiots.
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NVM found the right thread
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On December 05 2007 09:13 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2007 09:09 game_no wrote:Because its funny how raged you americans are getting. most of you americans are making baseless insults without any contribution at all or no explanation. koreans always seem to understand this material best (or euros). this is the bisu build. anyone else who cant see past "he only makes corsairs->dt" or "he makes reavers therefore its not his build" are idiots. + Show Spoiler +
America is not a race, my dear sir.
Game_no, don't piss off too many people, or you'll incur the wrath of the moderators. You are correct to some extent though...
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On December 05 2007 09:56 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2007 09:13 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On December 05 2007 09:09 game_no wrote:Because its funny how raged you americans are getting. most of you americans are making baseless insults without any contribution at all or no explanation. koreans always seem to understand this material best (or euros). this is the bisu build. anyone else who cant see past "he only makes corsairs->dt" or "he makes reavers therefore its not his build" are idiots. + Show Spoiler + America is not a race, my dear sir. Game_no, don't piss off too many people, or you'll incur the wrath of the moderators. You are correct to some extent though...
According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."
In all honesty, I was just looking for an excuse to post the gif :p
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United States6657 Posts
game_no is correct in some respects. But he's pushing all the buttons to piss of people, which will eventually lead to him being banned. Unfair ban? Yes, maybe at most places. But not at TLnet.
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People arguing about "bisu build" or "not bisu build":
In my opinion the bisu build (what he does against every zerg) consists of the following:
FE, early 2nd gas into stargate for sairs and 1 other tech. Either speedzeals and templars or reavers and ranged goons. Against a hydra build the reavers seem to be better. Otherwise the DTs kick ass.
Just my opinion of course.
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The funniest thing about it all
is that WhatisProtoss is just as much, if not more, "American" than me.
Actually, no, that's not the funniest part.
bisu build.
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On December 05 2007 10:23 OneOther wrote:
game_no = my hero
Exactly, if you're offended dont read his posts. Absoloutely no reason to get banned.
"bisu build" is fucking hilarious !
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my epic detector is apparently failing
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United States10774 Posts
Man just watched the vods. Stork raped oov 
anyhow
bisu build.
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agreed this thread is made of win and
bisu build.
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there's no period, buttwipes. like this:
bisu build
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On December 05 2007 10:35 Last Romantic wrote:
The funniest thing about it all
is that WhatisProtoss is just as much, if not more, "American" than me.
Actually, no, that's not the funniest part.
bisu build.
Huh? Did somebody say something about my ethnicity? I'm confused.
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Stork's FBH dance was hilarious.
Bisu Build.
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On December 05 2007 12:25 bine wrote:
there's no period, buttwipes. like this:
bisu build
Those guys mislead me.
bisu build
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I personally think that Bisu build = FE->fast sair/dt-> mass ground, because that's the build he uses the most.
but i can see why gamer_no continues to argue. for example, the main reason the bisu build works so well is because of how effectively bisu uses his corsairs, so technically, it could be translated to Fe->fast sair/whatever-> whatever that crazy multitasker wants to do.
just my 2 cents
SaviOr build <3
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On December 05 2007 12:29 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2007 10:35 Last Romantic wrote:
The funniest thing about it all
is that WhatisProtoss is just as much, if not more, "American" than me.
Actually, no, that's not the funniest part.
bisu build. Huh? Did somebody say something about my ethnicity? I'm confused.
On December 05 2007 09:09 game_no wrote:Because its funny how raged you americans are getting. most of you americans are making baseless insults without any contribution at all or no explanation. Show nested quote +On December 05 2007 02:50 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Nal_rA: corsair/reaver -> corsair/carrier
Bisu: corsair/reaver/dt -> corsair/ground
They are very different styles. Nal_rA spends all his money on corsairs, cannons, and reavers. Thus, his unit count is very low compared to zerg's unit count for most of the game. He transitions to carriers slowly in marathon games. Otherwise, he keeps using corsair reavers throughout the entire game.
The point of Bisu's game is to slowly build up a huge ground force while preventing the opponent from doing the same. Thus, corsair/reaver/DT is used to harass and get free points and keep expansions from running at full power. Bisu's unit count stays high. Then he rolls out with a huge army. this person explains it nicely. koreans always seem to understand this material best (or euros). this is the bisu build. anyone else who cant see past "he only makes corsairs->dt" or "he makes reavers therefore its not his build" are idiots.
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Seems like Stork has been taking some lessons from FBH.
Bisu build.
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seems like stork takes lessons from FBH and bisu.
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On December 06 2007 02:11 Raithed wrote:
seems like stork takes lessons from FBH and bisu.
bisu build
Fixed.
bisu build
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This meme sucks.
bisu build.
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ninjas... thuosands of them..
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bisu builds... thousands of, er... 2 of them
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